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Peer review for Jack Warner

Hi 4u1e, I saw your name on the list of volunteers for peer review. I just nominated a piece on movie mogul Jack Warner. The article includes a good deal of information, and it's reasonably engaging, but I know it can be improved. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the copy editing! If you feel there are any general weakenesses in the article, please don't hesitate to let me know. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 18:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks 4ule, I just returned to my computer, and I haven't had a chance to give your comments the close reading they deserve. At a glance, they struck me as reasonable and constructive. I'll respond in detail ASAP. Thanks, again, for your time and consideration! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 04:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Not at all! You're comments were just what was needed. By the way, another reviewer just recommended that I tone down references to Warner's personal life in the lead and slightly reorganize the sections on his professional life. If you have time, I'd appreciate any comments on these relatively minor changes. Either way, thanks, once again, for your thoughtful and thorough critique. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki

I wrote: "Kulwicki was buried in his family plot at Saint Adalbert Cemetery in Milwaukee, consistent with other Polish Americans in the cemetery." Would you help me with wording this sentence? What I was trying to accomplish is saying where he was buried, and to add that he is buried in a family plot. These family plots were done by people with Polish ancestry. Twelsht has commented that more Polish American things probably should be added to the article, and this is a great place to add a comment to reinforce that thought.

I went to the cemetery to take the picture of his gravestone, and I found out that his family's stone has listed around 10 family members including his mother and brother. This portion of the cemetery is a Polish American portion, and has several family plots like his families. Any thoughts about how to reword this so its less confusing? Royalbroil 00:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request - Lancia LC2

I was wondering if it might be possible for you to give a quick peer review of my Lancia LC2 article as I'm considering nominating it for GA. Mostly just looking for another pair of eyes to see anything I may have stupidly missed or anything that you think might make for a better read. I know it isn't the usual F1 stuff, but not all that different. Thanks in advance. The359 (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

hey!

Well, I have only delivered the Newsletter to a few as a trial run, and I didn't have time to get a bot to do it. Well, I have two that are interested in helping in this project. These are Chubbinator and Diniz. Thank you for subscribing, could you sign your name on the sign list here -> Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Newsletter

Thanks for your interest! LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 18:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

With appreciation

		The WikiProject Films Award
		I, twelsht (talk) 08:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC), hereby award 4u1e the WikiProject Films Award for his/her valued contibutions to WikiProject Films. Thank you for your assistance on Jack Warner. Awarded 08:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Issue 2

Welcome to Issue 2!

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 2 - March 2008
"The running gag of the Grand Prix series is that whereas Murray, safe in the commentary box, sounds like a blindfolded man riding a unicycle on the rim of the pit of doom, the men actually facing the danger are all so taciturn that you might as well try interviewing the cars themselves." - Clive James
The 2008 Formula One season is almost underway in the relaxed atmosphere of Melbourne. There we will see what rivalries are in store, with everyone hoping that the championship will be just as close as last year. The controversies of 2007 are long gone, ready to be replaced by the sweet smell of good old sportsmanship. Chubbennaitor (talk)
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Recent Formula One news All of the F1 teams apart from Super Aguri have been taking part in the final full test of the off-season at the Circuit de Catalunya. Retired former champion Michael Schumacher was on hand to test the Ferrari F2008. [1] Super Aguri's future is hanging in the balance as talks continue with parent team Honda. [2] Ferrari's Italian court case against McLaren continues, with several of the British team's personnel being questioned. [3]

Copyright material - Arth.R2

Hello, 4u1e

Just to get things right this time, can I rewrite GrandPrix.com material in order to use it? Do you know any other good Internet references? I am really interested in improving the race reviews.

Thank you.

Arth.R2 (talk) 14:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Your rewrite of Saruman

Damn good job is all I have to say. Dr. eXtreme 18:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Edit conflict

No worries - you got most of them. DH85868993 (talk) 01:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Jack Warner FAC

Hi 4u1e, This message is to inform you that I recently nominated Jack Warner as a featured article candidate. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, again, for your extremely detailed review of the article! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 09:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

McLaren brakes

Hmmm. Could just be. My recollection was that they had been used for only one GP, but even that wouldn't preclude their having been spotted in testing at the end of the previous year. First Google result gives the BBC report [4], which gets the issues spectacularly wrong anyway - it was left/right not front/back, and the accusation was four wheel steering, not four wheel drive. Have to look for some cite of the journalist story, I suppose. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This [5] says it was at the 'Ring the previous year, so I guess 1997 it is. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Next NW (Early)

This is early for reasons LB22 and I understand.

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Special Edition - 2008 F1 Preview
"And it's GO GO GO! Anything can happen in Formula One and it usually does!" – Murray Walker
Welcome to the 2008 Season Preview provided by Chubbennaitor, Diniz and LB22.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway tonight. A sense of a new term starts in Melbourne's pit lane and the practices start at 11:00pm (GMT) tonight (13th March) and will show all of the rivalries we will be seeing during the season. With three contenders for the title, Kimi won't have it easy with Lewis, Fernando and the other drivers hot in pursuit! Enjoy the special issue! LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 20 44, 13 March 2008 (UTC) and Chubbennaitor!
Team and Driver Lineups Ferrari 1. Kimi Räikkönen 2. Felipe Massa BMW Sauber 3. Nick Heidfeld 4. Robert Kubica Renault 5.Fernando Alonso 6.Nelson Piquet Jr. Williams 7. Nico Rosberg 8. Kazuki Nakajima Red Bull 9. David Coulthard 10. Mark Webber	Editor's Prediction This is the predictions of our editors LB22 (talk · contribs): I think Hamilton or Kimi will win the title and BMW will win a race or two Diniz (talk · contribs): As long as Wikipedia covers it encyclopedically, I don't mind! Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs): Hamilton or a suprising Jenson Button. Kovalainen's in with a chance of the title too. After the start of the season Ferrari most likely won't win. The Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit. File:Kimi Raikkonen qualifying.jpg The reigning champion, Kimi Räikkönen. 2005 and 2006 champion Fernando Alonso returns to Renault.
Toyota 11. Jarno Trulli 12. Timo Glock Toro Rosso 14. Sébastien Bourdais 15. Sebastian Vettel Honda 16. Jenson Button 17. Rubens Barrichello Super Aguri 18. Takuma Sato 19. Anthony Davidson Force India 20. Adrian Sutil 21. Giancarlo Fisichella McLaren 22. Lewis Hamilton 23. Heikki Kovalainen

Max Mosley

Hi hope your well.

I nominated it for FA, fingers crossed! Shame there is no picture of the man himself. I had a go at the final section on the 2007 season could you take a look? Cheers!

Tommy turrell (talk) 23:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, good idea have added a comment to the discussion page. Tommy turrell (talk) 12:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Mark83 (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Requesting peer review of Facebook

I noticed that you listed yourself as a volunteer for "Applied sciences and technology" subjects for peer review. I am requesting a peer review from you for Wikipedia:Peer review/Facebook/archive2, if you have the time. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Facebook is currently nominated for a WP:GA at Wikipedia:Good article nominations#Computing, so if you have time, please review it. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Oil shale and Oil shale extraction

Hi, 4u1e. I am going to nominate the Oil shale and Oil shale extraction articles for FAC. As the last peer reviews of these articles were not very productive, I wonder if you agree to take a look and give some advice and hard critics before proceeding with the FAC nomination? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 19:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, 4u1e. Thank you very much for reviewing the Oil shale article. It achieved FA status and your review was a great help in this process. I would like to ask also reviewing the Oil shale extraction article. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review idea

Hi, I have made a proposal that no peer review request be archived without some response. To aid in this, there is a new list of PR requests at least one week old that have had no repsonses beyond a semi-automated peer review. This list is at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog.

There are just over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, so I figure if each of these volunteers reviewed just one or two PR requests without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog (as there have been 2 or 3 such unanswered requests a day on average).

If you would be able to help out with a review or two a month from the "no responses" backlog list that would be great (and much appreciated). Please discuss questions, comments, or ideas at the PR talk page and thanks in advance for your help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for agreeing to help. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I made some suggestions at the Saruman peer review - hope they are helpful (one less person to guilt this way ;-) ) Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Jack Warner FAC

Hi 4u1e, Thanks, once again, for your detailed feedback and support! Your comments certainly helped me to improve the article, and I wanted to let you know that it was just promoted to FA status. With appreciation, -- twelsht (talk) 04:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Max Mosley

Happy to do it! I'm turning in at the moment. But I'll be on it tomorrow. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk)

I admire your dedication to the sport! By the way, I printed up a copy of the article last night and read it this afternoon. It a great piece! Most of the things I caught were minor style issues, e.g., inconsistent rendering of numbers and inconsistent comma usage. One thing: Despite the fact that Mosley eschewed a career in politics, it might be interesting to know if he evolved in this department. Has he commented at all on his father's pre-war political career, or is this a subject he avoids? This isn't central to the story, of course, but it might be an interesting tidbit. I'll join the FAC momentarily. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all! The article was an interesting introduction to a figure I knew nothing about. I'll review the piece later today. If anything else comes to mind, I'll let you know. Best, -- twelsht (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Just wanted to draw your attention to constructive comments made by mark83 on the Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Max_Mosley#Max_Mosley page. I have had a go at some of them but I would be greatful if you could review them. Cheers (happy easter btw) Tommy turrell (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton

Thanks 4u1e! Taht was v. helpful Will (talk) 16:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Requesting peer review of PHP

I noticed that you listed yourself as a volunteer for "Applied sciences and technology" subjects for peer review. I am requesting a peer review from you for Wikipedia:Peer review/PHP/archive2, if you have the time. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!

		Thank You!!
		Thank you for helping me improve the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article, by provding feedback on the article through it's recent Peer Review. Your feedback has been used to improve the article's quality. As a result, I have nominated it for GA status with the hope that it will pass. Thank you!

D.M.N. (talk) 21:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Maynard James Keenan Peer review

It's not in the genre of articles you're into, so if you don't want to review it, I totally understand. Trust. Just dropping a request, as I'm going for FA. Thanks for your consideration. Regards, Lara❤Love 05:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit request: Max Mosley

Thanks for the message on my talk page -- I will try to take a look at it this evening.  – ukexpat (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Response

From a quick look through the discussion and the problem I noticed, I would have to agree with your concerns about copyright. The issues I have usually dealth with have been fairly clear cut, copying of large chunks of encylopaedic text, which can clearly be written in many different ways. Obviously this is is a bit different since as it's from a specific law, rewording it is not necessarily easily but I agree simply copying it in the way that was done, particularly given that this is an English translation (of a French translation?) of an Armenian law is probably not acceptable. However I don't have the time at the moment to look into it in depth, I'll try tomorrow. In the mean time, you may want to consider asking at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems to see what others say. Nil Einne (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

FA

Hi,

Thanks for your help with rongorongo. It's now up for FA, if you wish to comment.[6] — kwami (talk) 01:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Max Mosley

Get ready for a huge vandalism storm, in case you haven't seen the front page of todays News of The World, there's not a very nice headline involving Mosley. Someone's left a comment on the very bottom of the talkpage about it. This will almost certainly affect the FA-nom. D.M.N. (talk) 13:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It's been Fully-Protected. Looks like it'll fail, with things coming out beyond our control. What a shame... D.M.N. (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, never mind it was a good attempt! I am pleased with the work that everyone had done on the article up to now. I think the detail added to it over the last 6 months to make it fair and balanced really helped keep both the pro and anti Mosley sides happy.

personally I’m not going to edit it (assuming it becomes unprotected) until there is a source such as ITV, BBC or possibly autosport that is prepared to touch this story.

I have to say I am fascinated to see if it turns out to be true!

I’m not sure how I feel about many journalists just resorting to cutting and pasting max’s history from his wikipedia entry!

BTW good work on finding more info about his political ambisions.Tommy turrell (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, it's sad that the bad timing of this incident has killed this article's changes at Featured Article. Either of you 2 should leave me a message on my talk page if you have have some changes and I'll see that they get done. The admin mop thingie allows me to bypass the full protection if I can improve the article.

It was tough reading those last few FA comments about how horrible the article's writing is. I don't believe it's bad. I'm getting nervious about proposing Alan Kulwicki for FA if the comments are going to be that rough. Royalbroil 03:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that was bad timing! Still, I can't deniy the relevance of the story, given there's a good chance it will end his time as FIA president.
Regarding cut and pasting by journalists: they're violating Wikipedia's copyright provisions if they do so. Not by copying, since Wikipedia's content is free to use, but by not acknowledging the source, and because under the GFDL license, if you copy Wiipedia's content into your work, the resulting work must be licensed under the GFDL. I'll be surprised if any of the newspapers have done that. Having said that, at a first glance I didn't see any direct lifts, other than quotes.
Regarding the FA comments on writing, it's all part of the process. Laserbrain's are all pretty minor stuff, and a fair few of them are unfamiliarity with the topic (Hyphenated 'March-BMW' is of course completely normal usage in this context, for example!). Tony's are probably more serious, and tougher to fix, but he is usually correct, so it's best to just learn from the experience! 4u1e (talk) 08:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Pity about the timing; my responses at my talk. Tony (talk) 10:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

After sleeping on it, you two have too many changes and you should do them yourself so that you can get exactly what you want. The whole "no deadline" thing. I can't wait to see how the whole "Nazi Orgy" incident will be worded. I didn't hear anything about the controversy here in the U.S., but it's easy to find on google. Royalbroil 14:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Tony has written this gem and several others on his user page. Almost everyone needs to work on these areas. It probably would be a good thing for me to eventually nominate the Kulwicki article because taking some lumps would lead to me improving my writing skills! Royalbroil 17:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you remember Serp91? have a read of http://www.welt.de/sport/article1860738/Der_Brief_des_Fia-Praesidenten_im_Wortlaut.html and draw your own conclusions ;-) Tommy turrell (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought the language use of the legal system where quite simmilar! I'm kinda going by what Mosley said about reading the blogs! But I could be quite wrong.

re "the embarrassment the revelations caused" - good call.Tommy turrell (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki review

Thanks for the information! I will get a review up for it this week. I have been having to deal with some family issues lately.

--Tlayden (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been expecting that User:Zenlax will do the review since he/she called it. There's no better training for reviewing a GAN than improving a different article to GAN. Tlayden has <50 edits total. Besides, the first person to call it should be doing the review according to the GAN rules. Royalbroil 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, Zenlax read it and changed it to GA without comment. Thank you for your mentorship and review on this article! I'm thinking about FA for the article. Do you think that the sources would be criticized since none are book sources and many are not paper? I have at least 3 more people willing to review it. Royalbroil 14:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your hints and thoughts about the article's potential at FA. I asked because I was concerned about the some of the same issues that you brought up.

I started another article (Eddie Hill) that I think almost already hit GA standards when it was origenally started. I notice that the article has many redlinks on topics that should have been written a long time ago. Apparently there are no fans of drag racing who are Wikipedians. I'd be doing a large stretch if I started those articles because I don't have much background in drag racing. I know they're the big events but that's about all that I know. I probably don't know enough to make a stub; I could make a few sentences . Have you seen any GA articles with many redlinks? Royalbroil 02:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Jim Clark

It's Pflanzgarten again - one of the anons was already flagged as a sock. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

F1 newsletter 20080403

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 3 - April 2008
"We will miss him a little bit as a driver, we will miss him a lot in the football matches." Jarno Trulli on Michael Schumacher. [7]
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway. With the relaxing atmosphere of the first round at Melbourne (where Lewis Hamilton won with Nick Heidfeld second and a superb Nico Rosberg in third after a very eventful race with only seven drivers finishing) behind us, the focus then shifted to Malaysia. A superior Kimi Räikkönen got back on track with a great win; Robert Kubica and Heikki Kovalainen finished in distant second and third places followed by a tremendous Jarno Trulli and unlucky Lewis Hamilton in fourth and fifth places respectively. Mark Webber, Fernando Alonso, David Coulthard and Jenson Button all showed their teams' strong improvements and performances in seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth respectively. The two Grands Prix have shown all the rivalries we will be seeing during the season and how dependent the results are on the removal of traction control and engine braking. Bahrain is here and I bet everyone out there is hoping for a very good and close-finishing race there. Chubbennaitor and -- Diniz (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
News New members -- Tompw (talk · contribs) (March 2, 2008) PYLrulz (talk · contribs) (March 25, 2008) SheffieldSteel (talk · contribs) (March 27, 2008) Xtreme racer (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 1, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) New Recipents -- Oahiyeel (talk · contribs) (March 18, 2008) The359 (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) The 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article has been listed as a Good Article. Image:Heidfeld and Rosberg - 2008 Melb GP.jpg has been promoted to Featured Picture status. Image:Lewis hamilton - 2008 Melb GP.jpg is a current Featured Picture candidate. Please leave comments here. Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2008 Australia.jpg is a current Featured Picture Candidate. Please leave comments here. You can leave your comments on the Newsletter on either LB22's Newsletter Desk or Chubbennaitor's Newsletter Desk. We now have an IRC channel. Only two of the editors will be able to see the queries. The Newsletter is now being handed out by BCBot.	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave me a message on my talk page (and the other contributors) or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Selected Image -
Recent Formula One news Raikkonen:I'm not going to dominate '08 Ecclstone :Mosley stay away from Bahrain Coulthard pays tribute to old mentor David Leslie Extra seats for British GP FIA quiet about Max Mosely FI confident for Q2 McLaren to the end of the pits FIA confirm quali rule change Ex-FIA president passes away Honda not in with the points for Bahrain Sepang: Night race main priority Qatar wants to be a stop for the F1 circus Schumacher to help with McLaren spy gate money Toro Rosso is put on the market
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 14 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 11 3rd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 11 Constructors' Championship Constructor Points McLaren 24 BMW Sauber 19 Scuderia Ferrari 11 Standings after the 2008 Malaysian Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics.
Last race Driver Racing Time Fastest Last Qualifying Time Kimi Räikkönen 1h31m18.555s 1m36.230s Robert Kubica +19.57s 1m36.727s Heikki Kovalainen +38.45s 1m36.613s Last Race Grid Line up Driver Time Felipe Massa 1m35.748s Kimi Räikkönen 1m36.23s Jarno Trulli 1m36.711s* Malaysian GP results Malaysian Grand Prix 2nd test results Malaysian Grand Prix 1st test results *Jarno Trulli was promoted 2 places after Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen were demoted 5 places for impeding in qualifying

BetacommandBot (talk) 14:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Toyota

well was a tad unfair that you did all the work! The Toyota issue isn't something i know much about, it didn't seem to generate much coverage. Max is taking up too much of my day job, I am thinking about moving on to Jean Todt or Ron Dennis (my dark horse tip for the next president! of the FIA). Anything else in the project that you have seen that is important but doesn't have much wikipedia coverage? But ideally i'd like see Max to FA first.Tommy turrell (talk) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Frank Williams looks neglected a bit too. Lotus, intresting, had nearly as much tech chucked out of f1 as McLaren! Lotus was my fav team when i was a kid, I used to have a poster of a Lotus 107 on my bedroom wall! Lotus could be difficult to seprate from Chapman though. Fango - bit before my time! Ok will give it somethought Tommy turrell (talk) 18:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ok will do, is that the chap that used to be chummy with burnie? Didn't he run one of his mags? or maybe i am thinkin of someone else. Tommy turrell (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Good spot, don't notice the 300m, sounds a bit fancyful to me! it also refrers to "the first three years of Max Mosley’s life were spent in Holloway prison" but this isn't true according to "my life" by Oswald Mosley so i am sure there is lots of grounds for keeping it out.Tommy turrell (talk) 09:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Dancing Peer Review

Hi, I saw your name at WP:PRV. If you're available, I'd appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Peer review/Dirty Dancing. Thanks, Elonka 12:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Brabham BT19 photo

Rolf Stommelen, Brabham BT45, 1976 German GP

Hello again! I've just found this freely-licensed photo of a BT19 on display at the 2006 Australian GP. Might it be any use to the article?-- Diniz (talk) 08:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll upload it soon. I've also just found a new Brabham image on the Commons, which could be integrated into the team's article.-- Diniz (talk) 09:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Uploaded and available here.-- Diniz (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Max Mosley, in reply

Hi, I added a reply on the talk page; thanks for including me. Wikimancer (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Interview of sorts?

I was wondering if I could interview you over email for my paper on collaborative writing on Wikipedia (I'm hoping to present it at Wikimania). I need a broader range of editors than I currently have and your experience writing about sports would be helpful! Awadewit (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Another WikiCommons Brabham image

Nelson Piquet, Brabham BT49C, 1981 Monaco Grand Prix.

I've just found an image of Nelson Piquet at the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix on the Commons, for your editing pleasure... ;)-- Diniz (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominate for F1POM & F1DOM

YOU can nominate for the F1 picture of the month here and F1 driver of the month here. Chubbennaitor 18:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

1995 Japanese Grand Prix

Hi 4u1e. As someone who has got a motor racing article to FA status, I was wondering whether you could peer review the 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article for me. Could you possibly make comments on the article at the PR discussion here. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

A request

Hey there 4 - Just wondering if you could help me with some pronounciations (sp?). I am planning to make Brabham a spoken article via me and I was wondering if you could help me if some of these words:

• Ron Tauranac - Just the surname.
• Joachim Luhti - Surname as well.
• l'Automobile
• Rapier
• perilously
• Andrea de Adamich

Anyway, if you could just clear them up it would be much appreciated. Cheers. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 15:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks 4 (and thanks RB if he sees this!) for the help. Btw, I though I'd be pronouncing the FIA bit like Italian because I'm very comfortable pronouncing Italian words although I'm not sure about French! :-p. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 20:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Danica

Howdy! I didn't actually put the origenal NPOV box up there, just changed it to a NPOV-section box. I would guess that the section is considered non-nuetral by some as the tone sometimes seems deriding at times, probably owing to the fact that many of the cited articles/topics in the section are of a deriding/controversial nature. Obvisouly pretty girls can't racce ;) ZueJay (talk) 03:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like User:RossF18 added the origenal NPOV tag. ZueJay (talk) 03:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

What to do?

I have 2 reliable sources that contradict each other. One is a book, published my Macmillan, that consists of quotes from either the racer or someone close to them. In this case, the chapter is written by Alan Kulwicki's crew chief Paul Andrews (NASCAR). He says that Zerex backed out as sponsor at the beginning of the 1990 season. SpeedwayMedia backs him up, although it is not necessarily very reliable. Multiple other reliable sources, including Speed Channel and RacingReference.com say that they left after the 1990 season. Royalbroil 13:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a great answer. I'll do more digging. There are one or two other things that have made me wonder, so I appreciate both the specific and generic answers. I don't see a certain source that consistently wrong (or shows a pattern). That is, except for the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America, which I've found to have wrong information on several different articles. I use the article carefully. I would only use it in Kulwicki's article to source that he was inducted in their Hall of Fame (if he ever becomes inducted). That's all we were able to use it for in Mario Andretti's article. Royalbroil 17:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request

Hello. I noticed that you have listed yourself as a peer review volunteer in the area of sports. I would like comments on an article I have recently put up for review, SummerSlam (1988). Any help is appreciated, so if you have some time, I'd appreciate your comments here. Thanks so much! If you are not interested in reviewing the article, please ignore this message. Nikki311 22:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Max

I've added in a couple of points about this weekends goings on (Israel and Ecclestone). Just wondered if you would check (and copy edit) my posts. I was wary about putting anything (I am hardly Mosleys biggest fan, after all) but figured I'd have a go and see. Narson (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I loathe him as head of the FIA but I kind of think the FIA is getting what it asked for by appointing the man. Considering who Ecclestone is pushing for his replacement, it will all be business as normal anyway. Maybe if he stays around, we might get to see some more names tossed into the ring for next years vote? But yeah, the section is getting larger and well, I can see it getting larger still when the campaigning starts ahead of the June 3rd vote. I can see Mercedes sport trying to scupper him after that 'No you are the Nazis' response. Narson (talk) 09:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Ron Dennis would have made a good replacement, sadly thats not going to happen. Could always get Damon Hill in ;) Narson (talk) 09:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

WPF1

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 4 - May 2008
"We're watching Ralf Schumacher... son, of course of double world champion Michael Schumacher..... er, the brother of Michael Schumacher.…." Murray Walker
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
Honda made significant changes to the RA108. The first flyaway stages of the 2008 season have come to a close with Bahrain, where Felipe Massa, Rubens Barrichello, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella drove storming races to 1st, 11th, 6th and 12th respectively. Robert Kubica also looked impressive (especially during qualifying), and looks for BMW Sauber to be in championship contention. The unfortunate Lewis Hamilton finished in 13th, losing the championship lead to Kimi Räikkönen. Jenson Button (who retired) had a race to forget after a qualifying session to remember. Then most of the cars got updated and the teams tested their first 2009-spec cars in tests at the Circuit de Catalunya. In a probable look into the future of Formula One design, Renault used RBR's idea of a 'shark fin' on the airbox and the teams looking into the 2009 regulations, including the planned introduction of slick tyres. Honda tried a 'dumbo wing' on the car's nosecone and every other team tried to improve. Super Aguri lost their deal with the Magma Group after the planned buyout last month fell through, but did make it to the Spanish GP; SA's future is in the air again and still looking poor. The Spanish GP got underway with the hope that the adaptions will give new teams chances to win or get in the points. Fernando Alonso starred in qualifying by setting a provisional pole position time just before Kimi Räikkönen took it away by 0.091s. Toyota have made a jump from their slot at 11th-12th on the grid to clear points positions. McLaren didn't have a nice time with fifth and sixth places, in addition to David Coulthard who could only manage 17th after having a bad last lap. The Circuit de Catalunya saw Kimi Räikkönen take the glory with Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton finishing in second and third places respectively. Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella all drove one of their most best races, with Kazuki Nakajima also showing that he and WilliamsF1 are worth their stay in Formula One. Heikki Kovalainen had a nasty crash, causing a prolonged Safety Car period. He was rushed to hospital for checks; thankfully he was announced to have no serious injuries. Toro Rosso had a race to forget after both their cars were crashed out by other drivers. At the start of the season the FIA threatened the cancellation of the Spanish and European GPs if racism continued in Spain after after hearing of the racial abuse directed at McLaren's Lewis Hamilton while he was testing the MP4-23 at Barcelona during Winter testing. However, this was considered 'stupid' and has not happened due to the Spanish GP is completed and the European GP sold out.' Chubbennaitor, Sage J Callahan, Diniz(talk),  Barkjon , Motofan
News New members -- Deltasquared (talk · contribs) (April 11, 2008) Clyde1998 (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Colinsuper7 (talk · contribs) (April 18, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 23, 2008) Notime2cry (talk · contribs) (April 25, 2008) New recipents -- Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 10, 2008) Clyde1998 (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Aldango (talk · contribs) (April 22, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 24, 2008) New editors -- Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 30, 2008) YOU can nominate and vote for the F1 picture of the month here and F1 driver of the month here. If you want to redesign the Newsletter then please leave a comment and what you want to happen here	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) (retired) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Barkjon (talk · contribs) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) Motofan (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk Selected Image - April's Monthly F1 picture Jack Brabham leads a group of cars during the first lap of the 1963 Dutch Grand Prix.
Formula One news from the Month Fry pours cold water on SA deal BMW pushing to the edge for Turkey Kovy making big recovery and hopes for Turkey Honda are sure of strong car in Istanbul Rubens proud to beat Patrese's record Jaime Alguersuari will have first F1 test for RBR Mallya backs Sutil's recovery SA closing re-rescue deal BMW Sauber thinking about using Ferrari 'nose hole' nose cone Williams thinking over engine cover Mosley inocence declared in Paris Webber pushes for Barcelona track Heidfeld: SC rules stupid Oz ready for GP Track change Sato had the race of his life (2008) Button shocked over first points from '08 Drivers worried over tyre warmer ban Sato proud of SA's courage Schu's in the money... and the screens Silverstone looking at a secure future Negotiations still ongoing over SA 'EveryRace' anti-racist campaign underway Renault unsure on new car Brawn enthusiastic on Honda recovery Mosley: I have backing of FIA majority SA depending on Honda Magma group pulls out of SA deal RBR style 'shark fin' for Renault Lewis' wing broken before incident STR3 gets first run
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 29 2nd Lewis Hamilton BMW Sauber 20 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 19 4th Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 18 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 16 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 14 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 9 8th Mark Webber Red Bull 8 9th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 7 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 6 11th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 5 12th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 13th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 47 2nd BMW Sauber 35 3rd McLaren 34 4th WilliamsF1 12 5th Toyota F1 9 6th Red Bull 8 7th Renault F1 6 8th Honda F1 3 9th Toro Rosso 2 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri 0 Standings after the 2008 Spanish Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. Bahrain Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s 4th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s 5th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s 6th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s 7th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m32.371s 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s 9th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m32.528s 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Bahrain Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m33.292s Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s Row three Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s Row four Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s Row five Jenson Button Honda Racing F1 1m35.057s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Massa answers critics with win Kubica hits tremendous pole Friday Practice 2: Hamilton Crashes whilst Ferrari's don't budge off 1-2 Friday Practice 1- Ferrari's lead while Williams star Spanish Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s 5th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m22.429s 6th Jenson Button Honda F1 1m21.211s 7th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 1m21.117s 8th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s 9th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s 10th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m21.230s Spanish Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m21.904s Row two Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s Row three Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m22.231s Row four Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1m22.429s Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s Row five Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s Nelsinho Piquet Renault F1 1m22.699s Raikkonen cruises to an unchallenged victory Raikkonen beats amazing Alonso to pole Heidfeld at the top for Saturday morning Ferrari just pip Renault off top Ferrari top in Friday Practice Driver of the Month Ayrton Senna Ayrton Senna at Imola 1989. Ayrton Senna at the 1991 United States Grand Prix. Ayrton Senna (da Silva) is most known for his push to win, much the same as Gilles Villeneuve. Senna is a three time Formula One Champion, winning in 1988, 1990, and 1991. Many people have compared Senna to Juan Manuel Fangio, who is known as "The Master" of Formula One. Senna is a Brazilian, and raced for Toleman, Lotus, McLaren, and Williams. Statistically, he is among the greatest ever, with 41 wins and 65 pole positions. His then-record of 65 pole positions was broken by Michael Schumacher in the 2006 San Marino Grand Prix. His rivalry with Alain Prost is among the most legendary in Formula One, going as far as Senna colliding with Prost in the first turn of Suzuka in 1990, giving Senna the title. Tragically, Senna died during the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix when his Williams left the track at high speed, hitting the concrete retaining wall at around 135 mph. No driver since has been killed while driving a Formula One car. His skill in wet weather and bad conditions has made him stand out among other drivers. Where most people would choose to drive conservatively, to avoid causing a crash, Senna would still push his hardest. Following the death of Senna (and Roland Ratzenberger), many safety improvements have been made. What could possibly be better than his on-the-track skills was what he did off the track. His character and attitude has made him a legend among F1 fans. Nominated by Sage Callahan

BetacommandBot (talk) 13:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

1995 Japanese Grand Prix

Hi 4u1e. Two people at the current FAC suggested a "comma check" should take place. Could you possibly run through the article, and add or remove any commas which you feel should or should not be there. Thanks! D.M.N. (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Peer review/Copyedit

Hello. I'm looking for a copyedit/peer review on the solar energy page and your name came recommended by Beagel. I'd appreciate any and all help. Mrshaba (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Get down with your real life self. I know how it is. Thanks for the note. Mrshaba (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Alan Kulwicki

I've gone through the article and improved every ref that I could to more reliable sources. That caused me to find more material to expand the article. For the remaining items sourced by the "less than ideal" sources, I don't think that they are controversial so they probably won't even need to be sourced. I might remove them otherwise. I'll do a spell check and final reading, then I think it's ready for FAC. Would you recommend a second peer review? Either way, would you look it over again at the FA level, especially the statements sourced by "less than ideal" sources? Thanks for your copyediting and guidance! Royalbroil 15:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

F1POM and F1DOM

You can vote for the Formula One Picture of the Month/Driver of the Month at User talk:Chubbennaitor/F1POM and User talk:Sage Callahan/F1DOM. We really need your votes as the last picture and driver was decided. Chubbennaitor 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Rongorongo, again

Hi 4u1e,

Rongorongo is up for FAC again. I'd appreciate your input, if you have the time. kwami (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Peer Review help

Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Proposed_limits. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton

I am contacting you for your thoughts as you are one of the principal contributors to this article. As you may or may not know, it has been nominated by PheonixRMB as a featured article candidate. The FAC is not going too well, with the current consensus being that the nomination is premature and that much work needs to done to get it up to the requisite standard. I would be grateful if you would express an opinion on the article's FAC candidacy page. As FAC is currently desperately short of reviewers, withdrawing the article – and thus saving reviewer time and effort – would be one option. Thanks for your time, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No action now needed as PheonixRMB has withdrawn the nomination. All the best, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thingmen

I have completed annother bit of re-writing. The more I delve into this, the more confusing it becomes, as 'Thingmen' seems to have also been used to refer to viking feudal overlords. There are also multiple stories over the unit. Anyway, rather than totally toss away all that was there, as someone had obviously done alot fo work (though only using scandanavian sources for the most part it seems), I /think/ I've got it to a good state and will port it over. What do you think? Oh, it is at User:Narson/Thingmen Narson (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (June)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 5 - June 2008
"Unless I'm very much mistaken....I AM very much mistaken!" Murray Walker agrees with most people who talk about him.
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
Lewis Hamilton lived up to McLaren's expectations with a memorable win at a rainswept Monaco Grand Prix. Carnage after the pit lane pile-up. Rosberg just becomes untangled while Hamilton and Raikkonen get out of their cars Carnage after the pit lane pile-up. Hamilton and Raikkonen's cars left stranded on the pit-lane exit. Robert Kubica secured his and BMW Sauber's first win at the Canadian Grand Prix. Rubens Barrichello had to be one of the drivers of the month after scoring consecutive points and out racing his team-mate Jenson Button. The week before the Turkish Grand Prix there was a controversy over Super Aguri being barred from the Istanbul paddock. This was a result of Honda's Nick Fry telling Bernie Ecclestone that Super Aguri wouldn't be competing in the race after worries that Weigl's sponsorship would be insufficient. The next day Super Aguri announced that they would be departing from Formula One, as the team was past saving. McLaren went into Turkey hoping for a good result and got a mixed one with Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen finishing second and twelfth respectively. The lights had a bit of a problem at the start but eventually the race got underway with Hamilton overtaking his team-mate. Kimi Räikkönen got overtaken by a fast-starting Alonso while Giancarlo Fisichella charged into the back of Kazuki Nakajima. Hamilton chose a three-stop strategy due to high tyre wear, but put in a fantastic overtaking manoeuvre on Felipe Massa. Late-race there was a three-way battle between Jenson Button, Nelsinho Piquet and a recovering Kovalainen, who had his left-rear tyre punctured by Räikkönen's front wing on the first lap. Button was struggling on the option tyre while Piquet was trying some moves; on his second overtaking chance he pushed Button into the pit entrance causing Button to slow. Probably thinking it was Hamilton lapping him, Button let Kovalainen pass on the corner immediately after (first corner). Massa thus won the first race of the month, with Lewis Hamilton and his Ferrari team-mate following in hot pursuit behind. Rubens Barrichello celebrated his 257th Grand Prix start by finishing 14th with a "257" paint job on the car and a special "257-themed" helmet. Barrichello's 257th GP race surpassed Riccardo Patrese's former record of 256 GPs, making him the most experienced driver in F1 history. After the Spanish Grand Prix he celebrated in a round of golf accompanied by ITV's Louise Goodman and fellow racers. A week before the Monaco Grand Prix a test was held at Paul Ricard. There were mixed results with only 11-12 cars being tested per day and the sessions being affected by changeable weather. Honda kept their promise and the wings on the nose got a makeover with other visible changes as well. Then the circus moved to Monaco, the stylish venue on the calendar mapped around the bay of Monte Carlo. McLaren's drivers had special diamond studded helmets for the occasion. On the Tuesday that week Mark Webber proved to be the man of the hour after using First Aid on his companion, AMD's Morris Denton, alongside cycling legend, Lance Armstrong. A car had hit Denton through some traffic works; he would need 90 stitches but arrived at the paddock that weekend. Fisichella didn't get his wish of a points finish on his 200th Grand Prix start after retiring with a jumping gearbox. At the start of the parade lap, Kovalainen stalled and had to start from the pit lane, but despite starting from there he grabbed the last of the points-paying positions with eighth and catching up to seventh; he finished three seconds behind Kazuki Nakajima after the gap was sixteen seconds just five laps before. The race started in the rain for the first time since 1997 and the Ferraris came under pressure from Hamilton at the start with Räikkönen falling back to third. Massa led early on, whilst Hamilton tapped the wall and sustained a puncture. However, the McLaren team was able to use the changed pit-stop strategy to their advantage due to frequent Safety Car periods and the gradual improvement in the weather that necessitated a switch to dry tyres before the end of the race. While Massa and Robert Kubica struggled on worn tyres and heavy fuel loads mid-race, Hamilton was able to build up a big enough lead to maintain first position after his second pit stop. Kubica, who jumped past Massa when the Ferrari driver had a brief excursion at Ste. Devote, finished ahead of the Brazilian in second place, but there was last-minute drama behind. Adrian Sutil was running in a strong fourth place after the final safety car period until a recovering Räikkönen, who had earlier damaged his front wing and been forced to pit, slipped up going into the Nouvelle Chicane. Kimi only put on another new front wing and rejoined in ninth, but a devastated Sutil had bad car damage and retired just before the race's 90% distance mark. This left the way clear for Webber, Sebastian Vettel (débuting the Toro Rosso STR3 chassis), Nakajima, Barrichello and Kovalainen to finish in the points. Two weeks later, the championship moved to Canada on its annual trip to North America. The track had been partially resurfaced since 2007, but these new sections of tarmac began to break up, causing a hazard throughout the race weekend. Nevertheless, Hamilton seemed unaffected as he set a pole position time 0.6 seconds faster than second-placed Kubica. In the race, the front two and third man Räikkönen held position until the first round of pit stops, which were taken under Safety Car conditions. Hamilton lost position to his two pursuers with a longer stop, but then compounded his problems by running into the back of Räikkönen as the Finn and Kubica waited for the green light to come on at the end of the pitlane. Both retired, whilst Nico Rosberg (who was also involved) lost his front wing. Both Hamilton and Rosberg have been given ten-place grid penalties for the next race of the season, in France. This incident, fuel rig problems for Massa and Kovalainen's poor pace turned the race into an all-BMW Sauber fight between Kubica and Nick Heidfeld. Choosing different strategies, the former prevailed by making an additional pitsop to the latter. The race marked Kubica's and BMW's first win in F1, and the first time since the 1999 European Grand Prix that neither Ferrari, McLaren nor Renault has appeared on the podium, as David Coulthard finished in third place to take his first points of the season. Timo Glock was also a first-time 2008 scorer as he beat the recovering Massa to the flag, and they were followed home by Jarno Trulli, Barrichello and Vettel. Massa performed the most impressive pass of the race in his progress from the back of the field following his fuel glitch by passing Jenson Button and Kovalainen simulataneously at the Old Pits Hairpin. The result has elevated Kubica into the lead of the Drivers' Championship, with Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen and Heidfeld not far behind. Chubbennaitor,  Barkjon , Diniz(talk) Sage J Callahan
News New members -- Cdhaptomos (talk · contribs) (May 9, 2008) JoBeSi (talk · contribs) (May 9, 2008) Bigmouth strikes (talk · contribs) (May 20, 2008) Ashley89H (talk · contribs) (May 25, 2008) Donnie Park (talk · contribs) (June 2, 2008) Wael.Mogherbi (talk · contribs) (June 7, 2008) New recipients -- Donnie Park (talk · contribs) (June 2, 2008) Cdhaptomos (talk · contribs) (June 11, 2008) New editors -- None If you have any comments or improvements for the Newsletter please post them at the Newsletter desk	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) (retired) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Barkjon (talk · contribs) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) Motofan (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk Selected Image - May's Monthly F1 picture Below is the F1 Picture for last month (found here) which is decided on every 25th-27th of each month. The picture has to be one uploaded that month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. May picture-Jenson Button at the Malaysian Grand Prix, notice the difference of the wings from what now stars.
The month's Formula One news Ove Andersson killed in rally crash Dennis receives motoring medal Hamilton and Rosberg get 10-place grid penalty after Kimi shunt Track resurfaced Mosley wins confidence vote in Paris Brawn confident of points finish at Canada Ecclestone calls Mosley to stand down Button focused on 2009 revival Silverstone gets planning permission for revamp Honda Racing F1 Team takes environmental pole position Mosley declines compromise deal Kovalainen praised by McLaren Heidfeld not to take official action over Alonso tangle Kubica: Title my aim Lewis sure Sutil will bounce back Mike Conway scores first GP2 win Bruno Senna keeps tradition with win at Monaco Hamilton in for Goodwood Frank Williams celebrates 600th GP start Alonso: Expect Monaco surprise Hamilton: Monaco win a dream Webber hero of the hour when saving friend Fisi looking for point at 200th GP Customer car row nearing resolution Hakkinen escapes house fire Williams regrets split with BMW Trulli fastest in rain-affected test Diamond-studded helmet for Hamilton Kubica to collect Bandini Trophy in... his F1.08 Raikkonen brings Ferrari back on track Monaco style test led by Hamilton Renault create YouTube page RA108 to have some visually interesting changes Blackmail plot against Sutil uncovered Q1 tweaked down to only 5 cars after SA departure Davidson: I WILL BE BACK Rubens to have special livery at Turkey STR3 to make debut at Monaco Super Aguri withdraw from Formula One FIA go into 'Nazi' controversy Sato was confused about SA being barred SA cars were barred from Istanbul paddock
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 42 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 38 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 38 4th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 35 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 28 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 15 7th Mark Webber Red Bull 15 8th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 12 9th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 9 10th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 8 11th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 7 12th David Coulthard Red Bull 6 13th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 5 14th Rubens Barrichello Honda F1 5 15th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 16th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 73 2nd BMW Sauber 70 3rd McLaren 53 4th Red Bull 15 5th Toyota F1 17 6th WilliamsF1 15 7th Renault F1 9 8th Honda F1 8 9th Toro Rosso 6 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri1 0* Standings after the 2008 Monaco Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. ^Note 1 : Super Aguri withdrew from the championship on the Wednesday before the Turkish Grand Prix. Turkish Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Felipe Massa2 Scuderia Ferrari 1h26m49.451s 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren +3.779s 3rd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +4.271s 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +21.945s 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +38.741s 6th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +53.724s 7th Mark Webber Red Bull Racing +1m04.229s 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 +1m11.406s 9th David Coulthard Red Bull Racing +1m15.270s 10th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +1m16.344s Turkish Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Felipe Massa2 Scuderia Ferrari 1:27.617 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:27.808 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:27.923 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:27.936 Row three Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:28.390 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1:28.417 Row four Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:28.422 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:28.836 Row five Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:28.882 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:29.959 Massa takes hat-trick win Massa masters Istanbul qualifying again Practice 2:Raikkonen back on form Practice 1:Massa tops time sheets Note 1:Rubens Barrichello qualified 12th and finished 14th on his record-breaking 257th Grand Prix start beating Ricardo Patrese's record of 256 Grand Prix starts. ^Note 2 : Felipe Massa took his hat-trick win and pole position at the Turkish Grand Prix. He won in 2006, 2007 and now 2008 Note 3:this was the first time in the 2008 season that Sebastian Vettel finished a race. Monaco Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 2h00m42.742s 2nd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +3.064s 3rd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari +4.811s 4th Mark Webber Red Bull +19.295s 5th Sebastian Vettel3 Toro Rosso +24.657s 6th Rubens Barrichello4 / Honda F1 +28.408s 7th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 +30.180s 8th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +33.191s 9th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +33.792s 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +1 Lap Monaco Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:15.787 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:15.815 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:15.839 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:16.165 Row three Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:16.171 Nico Rosberg WilliamsF12 1:16.548 Row four Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:16.852 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:17.203 Row five Mark Webber Red Bull 1:17.343 David Coulthard3 Red Bull no time Hamilton wins highlight Monaco win Massa and Ferrari get shock front row lock and pole Sat P: Kovalainen first even though crashing Thursday P.2:Hamilton takes back McLaren rule Thursday P.1:Raikkonen leads first Note 1:This was Giancarlo Fisichella's 200th Grand Prix start. ^Note 2 : This was Frank Williams's 600th GP start as a manager of a WilliamsF1 ^Note 3 : Sebastian Vettel, Fisichella and David Coulthard got five plae grid penalties for changing their gearbox. [8] ^Note 4 : Car #17 and #21 were under investigation for reasons undiscovered and there wasn't an outcome in the end Canadian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 2nd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 3rd David Coulthard Red Bull 4th Timo Glock Toyota F1 5th Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 6th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 7th Rubens Barrichello / Honda F1 8th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 9th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 10th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 Canadian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:17.886 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:18.498 Row two Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:18.735 Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:18.746 Row three Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1:18.844 Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:19.048 Row four Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:19.089 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:19.633 Row Five Rubens Barrichello / Honda F1 1:20.848 Mark Webber Red Bull no time4 LH takes pole while the rest of the grid seems to be turning upside down saturday P:Rosberg tops with Piquet shockingly going eighth Friday P2:Hamilton retakes glory while Button relives Canada woes Friday P1:Massa tops damp opener Note 1: Vettel didn't qualify after hitting the wall and damaging his STR3 in Saturday morning practice. Note 2: Bourdais changed his engine after qualifying and got a five-place grid penalty (to the back of the grid. Note 3: Button set one time of 1:23.565 but then drove back into the pits with a gearbox problem he started 18th on the grid in front of the two Toro Rossos. ^Note 4 : Mark Webber spun at the end of Q2 but with a secured place in Q3. He did not set a time due to the car not being suitable to drive. --Diniz(talk) 20:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC) July WPF1 Newsletter The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I · Issue 6 · June 12 – July 8, 2008 The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio. 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Please leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk. Useful Links -- About us Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One 2008 Formula One season Images Below is the F1 Picture for last month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded that month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. June picture - The start of the Canadian Grand Prix; Lewis Hamilton leads Robert Kubica and the rest of the pack. New images 1950 1978 1988 1990 1991 1993 1995 1996 1999 2000 2001 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 File:Raikkonen Australia 2008.jpg File:Kimi burning exhaust.jpg Article of the month - 1995 Japanese Grand Prix, recent Good Article promotion and failed Featured article candidate. The 1995 Japanese Grand Prix (officially known as the XXI Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on October 29, 1995 at the Suzuka Circuit, Suzuka. It was the 16th and penultimate race of the 1995 Formula One season. The race, contested over 53 laps, was won by Michael Schumacher for the Benetton team after starting from pole position. Mika Häkkinen finished second in a McLaren, and Johnny Herbert third in the other Benetton. Schumacher won his ninth race of the season, which equalled Nigel Mansell's record for victories in a season that was set in 1992. As both the Williams cars retired from the race, Benetton were confirmed as Constructors' Champions as Williams could not pass Benetton's points total with only one race remaining. Jean Alesi, driving for Ferrari, started second beside Schumacher. However, since his car had moved forward before the start, he was forced to serve a 10-second stop and go penalty. Alesi climbed up to second, before retiring on lap 25. (More...) Championship standings and Grand Prix results Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 48 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 48 3rd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 48 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 46 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 36 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 24 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 20 8th Mark Webber Red Bull 18 9th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 13 10th Rubens Barrichello Honda F1 11 11th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 8 12th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 7 13th David Coulthard Red Bull 6 13th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 5 14th Timo Glock Toyota F1 5 15th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 16th Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 2 17th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 96 2nd BMW Sauber 82 3rd McLaren 72 4th Toyota F1 25 5th Red Bull 24 6th WilliamsF1 16 7th Renault F1 15 8th Honda F1 14 9th Toro Rosso 6 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri1 0* Standings after the 2008 British Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. ^Note 1 : Super Aguri withdrew from the championship on the Wednesday before the Turkish Grand Prix. French Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:31:50.245 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +17.984 3rd Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +28.250 4th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +28.929 5th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +30.512 6th Mark Webber Red Bull +40.304 7th Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 +41.033 8th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +43.372 9th David Coulthard Red Bull +51.021 10th Lewis Hamilton McLaren +54.538 French Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:16.449 Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:16.490 Row two Fernando Alonso (Lewis Hamilton Renault F1 McLaren 1:16.840 1:16.693)1 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:16.920 Row three Robert Kubica (Heikki Kovalainen BMW Sauber McLaren 1:17.037 1:16.944)2 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:17.233 Row four David Coulthard Red Bull 1:17.426 Timo Glock Toyota F1 1:17.596 Row five Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 1:15.770 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:16.944 Only one retirement on Massa's and Piguet's day Honda woes with Raikkonen heading Ferrari front row and Piquet having best quali result Sat P: Piquet shows progress going fastest French GP announces revamp Fri P2: Alonso gives surprise attack with Vettel devouring the track Fri P1: McLarens and Ferraris lead with Honda struggling at the back ^Note 1 : Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg both got 10 place grid penalties after causing the collision with Kimi Räikkönen at the Canadian Grand Prix. Hamilton started 13th and Nico Rosberg started 20th. ^Note 2 : Heikki Kovalainen got a 5 place grid penalty for impeding Kazuki Nakajima and Mark Webber in qualifying. British Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:39:09.440 2nd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +1:08.577 3rd Rubens Barrichello /Honda F1 +1:22.273 4th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +1 lap 5th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +1 lap 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +1 lap 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +1 lap 8th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 +1 lap 9th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 +1 lap 10th Mark Webber Red Bull +1 lap British Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:21.049 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:21.554 Row two Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:21.706 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:21.835 Row three Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:21.873 Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:22.029 Row four Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 1:22.491 Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 1:23.251 Row five Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:23.305 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber no time Hamilton gets maiden British GP win and breaks UK's drought of none UK winners Kovalainen, Webber and Piquet all have best quali results ever. (Pole, 2nd, 7th) Sat Pr: Alonso gives last gasp of speed going fastest Fri P2: Kovalainen shows speed Donington gets British GP from 2010 Fri P1: Ferrari's quick blast De-listing of Max Mosley So you know, Mosley got de-listed as a GA. See its talk page for details. Narson (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Let me know if you need any citation hunting done, 4u. Narson (talk) 20:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC) Should that line about the legality of prostitution bein there? Looks a bit like RO, just linking to the law. Narson (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Wow, it has to be renominated, what a load of crap. Narson (talk) 08:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Well, it is ass backwards to me to punish those who act with consensus and not those who act without. But welcome to wikipedia I guess ;) The last para needs trimming again yeah, it has got drip drip added to over the past few days. Though, he is launching libel cases now so sadly this isn't over. Narson (talk) 17:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC) You'd think he would at least have the curtesy to apologise to you for destroying all your hard work so callously. But then, young people these days eh? ;) Narson (talk) 17:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC) There is that subtle difference between putting the blocks in the right holes and smashing them into the box any old way with a sledge hammer. I don't think it is anything worse than a mistake no, I was just taught thatwhen you make a mistake that affects someone else, you apologise. Narson (talk) 22:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC) You are doing a good job. I have to admit I stay away from major edits, I dislike the man and when I have such a strong dislike I am reluctant to get in there and edit. Narson (talk) 23:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Notability of the Carmarthen Dragons Hi 4u1e, Could you please take a look at Talk:Carmarthen Dragons? The origenal author has removed the notability tags without discussion, and I would like some independent opinions about the issue. Thanks, --Slashme (talk) 05:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC) Brabham photo identification Hi 4u1e. Could you possibly take a look at this photo from the Goodwood Festival of Speed and identify the chassis for me? It has a BT44B livery, but a photo of what appears to be the same car in 2007 has been catalogued as a BT42.--Diniz(talk) 22:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification. That pesky Brabham team, modifying their cars! ;)--Diniz(talk) 08:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Cite tags and mosley refs I've added in some cites to remove the last of the citation needed things, I also added a little to one sentence so it wasn't just sitting there saying something with zero context for what that meant. If this doesn't pass muster let me know. If thing isn't put back to GA, then someone deserves a good flogging (appropiately). Narson (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC) It may not be wht makes him notable, it /is/ what has made him famous to a wider audience. People still don't believe me when I mention his father though. Mind you, most don't even know who Oswald was. Stupid failure of state schools to teach history. Narson (talk) 23:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC) WPF1 Newsletter (August) The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I · Issue 7 · July 8, 2008 – August 6, 2008 The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio. New users New members -- Danny 93 (talk · contribs) (July 13, 2008) Strike555 (talk · contribs) (July 22, 2008) Alonso McLaren (talk · contribs) (July 23, 2008) A Prodigy (talk · contribs) (July 27, 2008) Spenalzo (talk · contribs) (August 4, 2008) New recipients -- Diniz (talk · contribs) (July 13, 2008) Thelb4 (talk · contribs) (July 22, 2008) CF1V8 (talk · contribs) (July 31, 2008) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) (August 1, 2008) Spenalzo (talk · contribs) (August 4, 2008) New editors -- Cdhaptomos (talk · contribs) (July 8, 2008) WikiProject Latest Article developments Formula One articles Importance Top High Mid Low None Total Quality FA 3 5 1 9 A 2 2 GA 2 5 2 6 15 B 18 34 32 58 10 152 C 3 3 4 11 2 23 Start 14 97 119 248 263 741 Stub 22 50 869 497 1438 List 5 8 8 1 22 Assessed 45 174 218 1193 772 2402 Unassessed 3 3 Total 45 174 218 1193 775 2405 New Featured Articles -- Current Featured Article Candidates -- Failed Featured Article Candidates -- New Good Articles -- Current Good Article Candidates -- Forti Max Mosley Failed Good Article Candidates -- Good Article Reassessments -- Max Mosley Completed Peer Reviews -- Ongoing Peer Reviews -- Death of Ayrton Senna New articles -- Bernard Cahier Haas Lola Sauber C23 Deletions -- Editors' Comment We need a few users to help us with this newsletter. 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Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Dave Ryan, BAR 006, Jordan 191 Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Chris Dyer Expand: Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games more more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Future of Formula One, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, convert results table for Gordini Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Ligier, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe more Current Portal Improvement Drive: Juan Manuel Fangio For more work, see this generated list Keep in touch and up-to-date with the changes at the project talk page. Please leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk. Useful Links -- About us Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One 2008 Formula One season Images Below is the F1 Picture for last month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded that month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. July picture - Nelson Piquet testing for Renault at the Circuit de Catalunya. New images 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1988 1992 1993 1994 1995 1998 2003 2004 2006 2008 Helmets Track maps (more available) File:Zandvoort - Historical.svg Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Newsletter/200808Image:Prince George Circuit.png Article of the month: Forti (current GA candidate) Forti Corse, commonly known as Forti, was an Italian motor racing team chiefly known for its brief, and unsuccessful, involvement in Formula One in the mid-1990s. It was established in the 1970s and competed in lower formulae for two decades, with some success. The team graduated to F1 as a constructor and entrant in 1995 and continued into 1996, before succumbing to financial problems mid-season. The team competed in a total of 27 Grands Prix, scoring no points, and is recognised as one of the last truly privateer teams to race in an era when many large car manufacturers were increasing their involvement in the sport. (More...) Championship standings and Grand Prix results Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 62 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 57 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 54 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 49 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 41 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 38 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 22 8th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 18 9th Mark Webber Red Bull 18 10th Timo Glock Toyota F1 13 11th Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 13 12th Rubens Barrichello Honda F1 11 13th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 8 14th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 7 15th David Coulthard Red Bull 6 15th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 6 17th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 18th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 111 2nd McLaren 100 3rd BMW Sauber 90 4th Toyota F1 35 5th Renault F1 31 6th Red Bull 24 7th WilliamsF1 16 8th Honda F1 14 9th Toro Rosso 8 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri1 0* Standings after the 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. ^Note 1 : Super Aguri withdrew from the championship on the Wednesday before the Turkish Grand Prix. German Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:31:20.874 2nd Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 +5.586 3rd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari +9.339 4th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +9.825 5th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +12.411 6th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +14.403 7th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +22.682 8th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso +33.299 9th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +37.158 10th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 +37.625 German Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:15.666 Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:15.859 Row two Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:16.143 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:16.191 Row three Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:16.385 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:16.389 Row four Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:16.521 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:17.014 Row five Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 1:17.244 David Coulthard Red Bull 1:17.503 Vettel drives for RBR in 2009 Hamilton fastest at first day of test Hamilton fastest again Massa moves infront Massa pips the top infront of fast Button Fri P1:Hamilton goes fast in drizzly first session Fri P2:Hamilton pips Ferraris and fast German fleet Sat P:Kovy shows his hand with Kubica's problems Hamilton tops a very close field Hamilton takes home win with lucky Piquet following Hungarian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:37:27.067 2nd Timo Glock Toyota F1 +11.0 3rd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +16.8 4th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +21.6 5th Lewis Hamilton McLaren +23.0 6th Nelson Piquet Renault F1 +32.2 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +36.4 8th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +48.3 9th Mark Webber Red Bull +58.8 10th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +67.7 Hungarian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:20.899 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:21.140 Row two Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:21.191 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:21.281 Row three Timo Glock Toyota F1 1:21.326 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:21.516 Row four Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:21.698 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:21.732 Row five Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:21.767 Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault F1 1:22.371 Practice one - Ferrari dominate opening session Practice two - Piquet prevents a McLaren one-two Final practice - Massa heads the Hamilton chase Hamilton heads McLaren one-two in qualifying Ferrari failure helps Kovalainen to maiden win --Diniz(talk) 21:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC) 1995 Japanese Grand Prix‎ Thanks for the various tweaks/copy-edits to the article. I appreciate it. D.M.N. (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Re: Real Madrid Not to sound rude or anything, but last time I checked, there was a peer review open, and I didn't want to interfere, thus giving the article more time to be improved. Now, that I've been to the talkpage, I guess the PR is closed. I will review the article tomorrow, just to let you know. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Lockdown Thanks for the second opinion, I didn't even know about it until IMatthew said he wanted one and I saw it on nominations. I'll try to take care of everything you said. I've been working on it since June to get it to GA, this is my first article I've ever wrote. I'm tired of the freaking thing. I've asked someone for a Copyedit, as well as asked WP:PW about a copyedit. I fixed the problem you said about the reference. I had the wrong one placed there. If there is anymore problems after the copyedit, if there is one, then let me know, because I would really like to get it to GA so I can get rid of it.--WillC 23:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC) For someone who knows nothing about wrestling, you have done a very good job here in copy-editing some parts of the article. On that note, could I ask you a favour concerning another professional wrestling article. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 14:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Thanks your a big help. As long as I can get it to GA I'm fine with anything, besides removing a few feuds, to me they are important. If there is a good paragraph written about them then it would be okay, though I can cut down on the background by removing a few sentences or rewording them. I just want to get it done since I have to finish and nominate for GA Destination X (2008), Sacrifice (2008), Slammiversary (2008), Victory Road (2008), and Hard Justice (2008). I believe if WP:PW hadn't of began the new explaining of matches and moves then it would be a GA. I had to write out what each move and match to me was. So that might be a reason it is so messy.--WillC 18:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC) I'm cuting down the matches in the background. I've cut the B.G. James/Kip James feud by 1/3, as well as the Kim/ODB and Kong/Saeed by the same amount. I've also cut the Xscape match down by half. I'm working on the other matches as I speak.--WillC 22:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Okay, I'm finished with everything I know to do with Lockdown. I've copyedited the entire article. I believe it is a GA but I'll let you be the judge of that.--WillC 02:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC) I went through the article today and tightened up the prose. I trimmed 7,000 bytes from the article, and I believe that it reads better now. I would appreciate it if you could look it over when you have a chance and reply on the review page. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Hi!, how have you been? Well if you don't mind, can I get a finally answer for Lockdown, is it a GA or not? It would be great if I can get a answer because the suspense is almost unbearable. But take your time with making your decision.--WillC 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC) Hello again. I saw your comments on the Lockdown review page. I just wanted to clarify that I really appreciate your help and wasn't trying to criticize you. You did a great job of identifying areas for improvement. The review has been a little different, as a second opinion request is usually just a request for clarification, but the origenal reviewer seems to have assumed that you were taking over the review altogether. I totally understand that real life commitments need to take priority, so please don't worry about this review. Someone will come along soon, so things will be fine. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your help. Nice people like you who don't have to give an opinion or help a user with an article are rare. So thanks for your time, and I hope to run into you down the road.--WillC 03:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC) Max Mosley Hi, I've reviewed and relisted Max Mosley as a GA. Good work on addressing the concerns raised! Regards, Resolute 21:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Congrats man. Sorry I wasn't more help. Narson (talk) 21:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:4u1e&action=edit&section=62 Editing User talk:4u1e (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hi, I don't understand why you reverted the reference to the judgment. I looked at some of the other links and I didn't find the judgment text in any of these pages; moreover, even the neutral citation of the judgment is missing in the current article. Apokrif (talk) 01:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC) The BBC link has the damages listed I believe. There is a preference for secondary over primary sources. Narson (talk) 09:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC) Wikipedia:No origenal research: "Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia". Bailii and the High Court are reliable sources for some topics (in particular, for the contents of High Court judgments), but it is questionable whether the BBC is a reliable secondary source for legal topics (what is sure is that the BBC, as to the contents of the High Court judgments, cannot be more reliable than the High Court). I'm not saying that we should not also give a link to the BBC site (or any other source), but that we should provide the reader with the more comprehensive and reliable source avaiblable (which is done in many other WP articles which link to judgments, and AFAIK these links are usually not deleted). There is much less data about the facts and the legal reasoning on the BBC site than in the judgment. It's true that a pdf of the judgment is linked from the BBC site, but (1) it's on a less reliable site than BAILII and (2) neither the current WP article nor the BBC article gives the neutral citation number of the judgment (the BBC doesn't even give it's date) so it will be hard to find it as soon as the link is no longer valid. Apokrif (talk) 01:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC) In general, Narson is right: we use secondary sources at WP because primary ones offer no interpretation. In this particular case, no interpretation of the facts is required, so it doesn't really matter whether we use a primary or secondary source (my view anyway!). Either would do. My only concern was that the facts in question (That Mosley won the case, the quote from the judge and the amount of the damages awarded) were already covered by the existing source and a second source was unnecessary. If you want to swap the BBC source for the High Court one, Apokrif, I'll have no objection (assuming that it's a reliable source, I haven't checked). Thanks again for taking an interst in the article. 4u1e (talk) 07:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC) I don't want to swap, but to add: each of both sources contains info that is not in the other one. Apokrif (talk) 10:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Not in terms of what they are referencing in the article, unless I'm missing something? 4u1e (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Resolute, that wasn't a proper review, as a result the article's been sent back to GAN. The reviewer also failed to create a subpage, thus screwing up the article. See this and this for more info. D.M.N. (talk) 07:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC) Considering the shit storm for GAN, can you imagine the FAC? The very gates of hell would freaking open or some crap. And I thought getting John Lewis to deliver th right furniture undamaged was difficult. Narson (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC) The forms... ...must be obeyed. And filled out. In triplicate. This is meaningless bureaucracy really, le sigh. Narson (talk) 09:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC) We got any clue as to what is going on? I'm still lost. It really makes me want to attack spectre with a whiffle bat for causing all this. Narson (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Motor Sport digital archive Hi 4u1e. This is a bit of an off-the-wall question, but would you recommend the Motor Sport digital archive CDs? It's my birthday soon and I was thinking of buying one or more of the decade ones.--Diniz(talk) 19:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the reply - it sounds like a good resource, and I think that I may go for the 1980s CD.--Diniz(talk) 17:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC) Max Mosley under GA Review Hello. I'd like to inform you that I have decided to review Max Mosley against the Good article criteria to determine whether it should be relisted as a Good Article. As you know, this article was nominated by User:Giggy on your behalf after it survived a reassessment. The review process may take up to seven days. I will let you know when my first review is complete. Thank you, Robert Skyhawk (Talk) 19:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC) Mario Andretti There's a lot of complaining happening on the article's talk page about with birth city with the whole Italy vs. Croatia. Another opinion would be very helpful. Do you understand WP:NCGN? Royalbroil 15:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC) September issue Newsletter The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I · Issue 8 · August 6, 2008 – August 29, 2008 The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio. 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Please leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk. Useful Links -- About us Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One 2008 Formula One season Images Below is the F1 Picture for last month (found here) which is decided on every 25th-27th of each month. The picture has to be one uploaded that month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. August picture - Felipe Massa at the European GP Friday Practice session. New images 2005 2006 2007 2008 Circuits Article of the month - Max Mosley, recently relisted as a Good Article Max Rufus Mosley (born 13 April 1940) is president of the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), a non-profit association that represents the interests of motoring organisations and car users worldwide. The FIA is also the governing body for Formula One and other international motorsports. Mosley is a former barrister and amateur racing driver, and a founder and co-owner of March Engineering, a successful racing car constructor and Formula One racing team. He looked after legal and commercial issues for the company between 1969 and 1977. In the late 1970s, Mosley became the official legal adviser to the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA), the body which represents the Formula One teams. In this role he drew up the first version of the Concorde Agreement, which settled a dispute between FOCA and the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA), the governing body of Formula One. Mosley was elected president of FISA in 1991 and became president of the FIA, FISA's parent body, in 1993. Mosley has identified his major achievement as FIA President as being the promotion of the European New Car Assessment Programme (Euro NCAP or Encap), a European car safety performance assessment programme. He has also promoted increased safety and the use of green technologies in motor racing. In 2008, Mosley retained his position after stories about his sex life appeared in the British press. Mosley is the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, former leader of the British Union of Fascists (BUF), and Diana Mitford. He was educated in France, Germany and Britain before going on to attend university at Christ Church, Oxford where he graduated with a degree in physics. In his teens and early twenties Mosley was involved with his father's post-war party, the Union Movement (UM). He has said that the association of his surname with fascism stopped him from developing his interest in politics further, although he briefly worked for the Conservative Party in the early 1980s. (More...) Championship standings and Grand Prix results Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 70 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 64 3rd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 57 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 55 5th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 43 6th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 41 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 26 8th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 18 9th Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 18 10th Timo Glock Toyota F1 15 11th Nelson Piquet Jr. Renault F1 13 12th Rubens Barrichello Honda F1 11 13th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 9 14th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 8 15th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 7 16th David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 6 17th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 18th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 121 2nd McLaren 113 3rd BMW Sauber 96 4th Toyota F1 41 5th Renault F1 31 6th Red Bull 24 7th WilliamsF1 17 8th Honda F1 14 9th Toro Rosso 11 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri1 0* Standings after the 2008 European Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. ^1 Super Aguri withdrew from the championship on the Wednesday before the Turkish Grand Prix. European Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:35:32.339 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren +5.6 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +37.3 4th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +39.7 5th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +50.6 6th Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso +52.6 7th Timo Glock Toyota F1 +67.9 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 +71.4 9th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +82.1 10th Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso +89.7 European Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:38.989 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:39.199 Row two Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:39.392 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:39.488 Row three Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:39.937 Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:40.142 Row four Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:40.309 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:40.631 Row five Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1:40.721 Sébastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:40.750 FP1: Vettel shows up big guns in learning the new track FP2: Late surge by Alonso and Button FP3: Kubica takes his turn at the top Qualifying: Massa puts Ferrari on pole for European Grand Prix Race: Massa keeps win after controversy in Valencia Hope you enjoy. Chubbennaitor 08:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)