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October 2009

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February 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Symbolic Dimension: An Exploration of the Compositional Process, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Ridernyc (talk) 06:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Please read my comments here User_talk:GoldbergEva#Sockpuppet. This is getting silly and childish. Ridernyc (talk) 07:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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I have started an AN/I discussion about your actions tonight, please respond here [[1]]. Ridernyc (talk) 07:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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Over-linking and other issues

The Katia Tiutiunnik article has some severe problems regarding over-linking and repeated linking, which other editors are trying to resolve. I noticed that you reverted them without explanation. First of all, this is a bad idea as they were trying to make the article adhere to Wikipedia's Manual of Style; secondly, it makes it look like you are exerting ownership of the article, and that's frowned upon. Favonian (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

AIV report

Please do not report users who are not vandals (see the first paragraph this page for our definition of vandalism) to AIV. henrik•talk 10:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Katia Tiutiunnik

User:Playmobilonhishorse continues to vandalize the article Katia Tiutiunnik, which has been up for over three years and which has never attracted any negative feedback. On the contrary, every piece of information contained therein is backed up by multiple, credible references. Could someone advise and/or assist us? LivingMuse (talk) 11:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

1-Read Wikipedia:Vandalism.

The book published by Lambert is not even mentioned in the Wikipedia page. Please read Katia TiutiunnikLivingMuse (talk) 11:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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January 2012

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Katia Tiutiunnik. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Favonian (talk) 11:31, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, but User:Playmobilonhishorse continues to vandalize Katia Tiutiunnik, in addition to posting untrue, libelous comments regarding the page.LivingMuse (talk) 11:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Don't refactor or delete other editors' talk page comments, and stop labeling the actions of editors with whom you disagree as vandalism. You have been warned about this before. Favonian (talk) 11:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry if you disagree with my actions. However, User:Playmobilonhishorse continues to make libelous comments regarding Katia Tiutiunnik. Could you please take a moment to read the page? If you do, you'll see that it does not even mention Lambert Academic Publishing (which that user claims it's promoting) and is backed up by many more credible citations/references than numerous other Wiki pages. Could you please help me improve the article, if that's your intention? It's been up for over 3 years and quite a few editors (including yourself) have contributed to it. I'm sorry, but I've acted in good faith.LivingMuse (talk) 11:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. Furthermore, I reverted yet another deletion of your opponent's talk page comments. Consider this your "final plus one" warning. Next time you will be blocked. Favonian (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, as you did at Katia Tiutiunnik, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. There are legitimate concerns over this article, and, whether you agree with those concerns or not, attempting to suppress statements of those concerns by other editors is unconstructive. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Katia Tiutiunnik. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Could you please take a moment to read Katia Tiutiunnik.If you do, you'll see that it does not even mention Lambert Academic Publishing (which that user claims it's promoting) and is backed up by many more credible citations/references than numerous other Wiki pages. Could you please help me improve the article, if that's your intention? It's been up for over 3 years and quite a few editors have contributed to it. I'm sorry, but I've acted in good faith.LivingMuse (talk) 12:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I have answered the message you posted on my talk page, and now find you have duplicated it here. I will likewise duplicate my reply here, but on the whole having duplicate copies of messages is unhelpful, and can sometimes cause confusion. I don't know whether Lambert Academic Publishing is relevant or not, but without a doubt the tone of much of the article is promotional. If you sincerely can't see that, then I can only assume that you are so closely involved with the subject that you are unable to stand back from it and see how the article looks to a neutral observer, in which case you should not be editing the article. However, that is not the point: whether you or I or anyone else agrees or disagrees with the characterisation as promotional, you should not be repeatedly removing the template. Wikipedia's policy on edit warring is, essentially, "don't edit war", not "don't edit war unless you think you are right". JamesBWatson (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I am also copying your further comment from my talk page to here. (Your posting there while I was posting here is an excellent example of why fragmenting discussions on different pages is unhelpful.) JamesBWatson (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your advice and feedback. However, I humbly request that you look at the list of references backing up Katia Tiutiunnik and compare it with other Wikipedia articles. If you do, you'll see that Katia Tiutiunnik has many more references than numerous other Wikipedia articles. Anyway, if you have time to improve the article, I'd be grateful.LivingMuse (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

My previous comments referred only to the promotional aspect, because that is the issue that you raised in your messages to me. Now you are referring to the question of references. I confess I have not checked them all, but I have looked at a substantial sample of them, and I have not found one that gives more than a passing mention of Katia Tiutiunnik. At least one of them does not mention her at all. Having "many more references than numerous other Wikipedia articles" is no guarantee of quality: two good references can be much more useful than 100 poor ones. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you really looked at the references on Katia Tiutiunnik? By what you've stated, it seems that you have not. It is true that some of the links are out-of-date, however, most of the references give ample discussion to Katia Tiutiunnik. Please have a look at them again, when time permits.LivingMuse (talk) 14:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The problem was that you were edit-warring to revert *all* maintenance templates - I have now removed the "refimprove" one, but have left the "cleanup" one, as it clearly does need to be reworked to make it more balanced and encyclopedic, and less promotional. (But even if the "refimprove" one was left, it wouldn't do any harm - it would be removed when someone gets round to doing the cleanup.) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I could, of course, spend my time looking at all of the references, but I don't intend to. Whether you or I or anyone else thinks the references are adequate is a side issue. The central point is that you were edit warring. Wikipedia works by collaboration, with editors being willing to discuss things, and to accept that they won't always get things the way they want. Wikipedia does not work by individual editors deciding that their view of an article is going to "win", and simply endlessly reverting everything they don't agree with. If you want to know what issues I would give next priority to, after that central point, I would go for the promotional tone of the article and the very strong impression that you are editing with a conflict of interest. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I was considering cleaning up the references and replacing the out-of-date ones with valid ones and including page numbers in some of the PDF references so that the part which mentions Katia Tiutiunnik can be found without undue delay. I was then considering changing the tone in parts of the article to make it more dispassionate. I do hope you and other editors can assist. However, I should say that I have read many more articles about composers in Wikipedia, which seem to be even more promotional in tone.LivingMuse (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Block

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Katia Tiutiunnik. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

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Also, over at Talk:Katia Tiutiunnik, you say "Could someone advise and/or assist us?" Bearing in mind that Wikipedia accounts are personal and accounts representing groups, companies, etc, are not allowed, who is "us"? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and as one final comment, when you are involved in a content dispute, you must not label the other person's edits as vandalism - if you check WP:VANDALISM, you will see that Wikipedia has a very strict definition of what it is -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning Up Katia Tiutiunnik

I have just begun the job of cleaning up Katia Tiutiunnik. I have removed outdated references and replaced them with better ones--and there are many more to be added. I have also put page numbers in large PDF references, to prevent difficulty in finding Katia Tiutiunnik. I have also begun to modify some of the sentences to make them sound more dispassionate. Could anyone assist me with this? It would be good to get the "promotion" tag removed from the page as there are many other composers' biographies that sound far more promotional than this one.LivingMuse (talk) 12:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I've done as much as time permits to improve and clean up Katia Tiutiunnik. If you look at the biographies of other composers you'll see that many are more "promotional" in tone and far less well referenced than this one. I'd be really grateful if you could take a look at Katia Tiutiunnik and consider taking down the "promotional" banner. If you decide not to, I'd really appreciate some more advice and feedback. Hopefully other editors will work on the article as well--even though, as I mentioned, many other composers' biographies need far more attention than this one does.LivingMuse (talk) 09:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Lambert Academic Publishing is NOT mentioned AT ALL on Katia Tiutiunnik. Hence, Katia Tiutiunnik is NOT promoting Lambert Academic Publishing, nor anyone else. For this reason, there should not be any promotional banner on Katia Tiutiunnik. This page is now far less promotional than many other composers' pages on Wikpedia.LivingMuse (talk) 08:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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There is no need to delete the Conservatorio Santa Cecilia because many famous musicians have worked and studied there. The Consevatorio di Santa Cecila is an UNDERGRADUATE institution, whereas the Accademia Nazionale di Santa Cecilia is a GRADUATE/POST-GRADUATE institution, which only accepts conservatory/university graduates in music. Hence many noted people who have studied and/or worked at the Conservatorio di Santa Cecilia have not studied/worked at the Accademia Nazionale di Santa Cecilia and vice versa. LivingMuse (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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