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MOS:ROLEBIO states that only the most notable of roles/professions/occupations should be stated in the lede sentence in describing the subject. While Gomez does have songwriting credits across her albums, the one problem I see is there is no mention at all in the article expounding on her songwriting artistry, something that is definitely not lacking in articles about other artists who are notable songwriters, like Taylor Swift, Lionel Richie, Carole King or Alanis Morissette, for example, among lots of others. Examples of what can be included are their inspiration to write (or compose, in terms of the music itself compared to the lyrics) and whether they have been recognized via awards or other accolades related to songwriting (like an ASCAP award or the Grammy award for Song of the Year). But the point is that it makes no sense to state her being a songwriter if there is no coverage at all in the article demonstrating notability about it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It definitely surprised me to see how the "artistry" section says nothing about lyrics, themes, or anything else that pertains to songwriting. That would be an ideal place to elaborate on them. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've been over this so many times on Wikipedia. The first sentence of the lede lists the most notable professions of the artist. The infobox lists the most notable as well as secondary professions. Selena Gomez has 73 songwriting credits, incl. many credits pertaining to her most recent material. She is a regular co-writer of some of her work, and songwriter is factually one of her main professions, "notable" or not. This is just to let readers know she is a singer and songwriter (as opposed to singer-songwriter). Israell (talk) 06:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only added "songwriter" to the infobox, not the lede (another editor added it to the lede). And I've included a source, which is sufficient. The fact is, more and more and more singers these days also write or co-write some of their songs at least. It's becoming part for the course and it's a big part of their artistry. Without their contributions to the writing, the songs would be incomplete. Israell (talk) 06:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Selena Gomez is, and may be, a regular writer of her work. But the ASCAP repertoire, as a source, is not sufficient to underline, and support, the mention of songwriters in the role bio. There needs to be sourcing and decent sized, reliable, and comprehensive prose in the artistry section.
Personally, I have never heard anyone refer to Gomez as a “songwriter”, nor have I found any articles describing her as such. She seems more like an artist that camps write songs for. Of course, I don't want to undermine Gomez's abilities as a songwriter, but that seems to be the general perception about her or at least what I've heard so far. Mirrored7 (talk) 00:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Watagwaan and MPFitz1968: 1. The article has a "Songwriting" section that elaborates on Selena Gomez' songwriting. It includes commentaries from her peers in the industry who vouch for her songwriting. 2. Selena Gomez now has 76 songwriting credits. 3.She may not be a "singer-songwriter" (as in a songwriter who authors and composes most or all of their work alone and oftentimes provide the sole musical accompaniment to an entire song), but she is still a "singer AND songwriter" (she fits the criteria for the latter: singer and songwriter). Many songs these days like Lil Nas X's "Industry Baby" have up to 9 co-writers; those who co-write are songwriters. It is one of her main occupations, so it is relevant for the infobox. Israell (talk) 08:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove the “war crimes” from the mention of Magan David Olam. This is a rescue service that is not a military operation. The resources cited only mention controversy not war crimes, as no such meat crimes exist. TellTheTruth1983 (talk) 22:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Not done: Not possible, unless it has been released under certain copyright licences. CMD (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Done The phrase "war crimes" is not in the Magen David Adom article nor the three reference cites. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)