Talk:NFI Group

Models

While the article's tone appears quite professional compared to what I found in Millennium Transit Services#Models, the models listing looked like a jigsaw of dashes and parentheses. I did some cleaning up in Historical and Current subsections, just to make dash use in there consistent and user-friendly in terms of legibility.

Most of this is a good part from my own point of view and a good part from the Dash article.

• I didn't touch on bus models, as they use the hyphen-minus anyway;
• Years in the form of "from xxxx to xxxx" and "xxxx to present" look like this: 1968–1974 and "1996–present";
• Years in the form of "from late 1980s to mid 1990s" are given an unspaced em dash: "late 1980s—mid 1990s", since the from and to statements are not mere numbers, but contain two (or more) word constructs (I don't mind if someone disputes this statement in favour of an en dash);
• Parenthetical statements, such as "F40LF — Fuel Cell (Hydrogen) Test Buses (1996)" are separated with a spaced em dash. While indeed in American English usage, spaced em dashes are not used, I still feel it is warranted in here, so as to separate bus model numbers from the rest of the text and not make it appear as part of the model number itself;
• For consistency in sections with the above point, parenthetical statements are also separated with a spaced em dash.

Despite my own cleanups, there is still an overabundance of parentheses.
-Mardus 01:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

This has been eliminated, with all models now in a table, as the Motor Coach Industries article has it, with both US and metric units given.--AEMoreira042281 (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed client list

I've removed the client list from the article on the basis that it doesn't add anything to the article. It can be easily summed up as "Yeah, they've had a lot of customers." My thought is that if the client is notable in relation to the topic then fine (like the 870 frame fiasco for Flxible). Otherwise, it's not particularly notable and makes the article unnecessarily long. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Invero

Who ever said that OC Transpo owns the DE40i is wrong, I should know, I live in Ottawa. So I fixed it. 99.245.254.34 (talk) 01:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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The NFI GE40LFA

although most people would rub it off, I thought I should point out that Long Beach Transit is the only operator of the GE40LFA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorTheInvertedFan (talk • contribs) 05:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed split

I propose that this article be split into two pages. One page (New Flyer Industries Group) would focus on the broader company that owns both New Flyer and MCI. The other page (New Flyer Industries) would focus solely on the heavy-duty transit bus brand. They're getting too mixed together on this page. Thoughts? --RickyCourtney (talk) 05:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Ricky, I am from New Flyer Industries and made the edits yesterday. New Flyer Industries Inc. is the company that owns New Flyer, MCI, and the Aftermarket Parts group. The New Flyer Industries edits I made yesterday are factual, verified, and correct (see most recent investor relations - press releases). I will leave the history section alone, but the introduction to New Flyer Industries should be consistent with what is issued externally (in media, to investors, the public, etc.). I attempted to update the intro section for NF Industries this morning, and the edits was blocked/undid by Cluebots, despite the information being factually correct. Lcnorris (talk) 15:30, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Lcnorris: Your edit is a bit too promotional (“the … leader”, “broadest range”, “most comprehensive”, etc.), and the third paqragraph is pure PR puff. If you were to tone things down a bit it would be perfectly acceptable. However, what’s good for investor and the press is not necessarily proper for an encyclopedia. Useddenim (talk) 15:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Lcnorris: It sounds like you might be bordering on conflict of interest (COI) editing, which is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. I urge you to read Wikipedia's plain and simple conflict of interest guide before you make any more edits to this page. --RickyCourtney (talk) 18:00, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@RickyCourtney: I am new to Wikipedia and should my edits be considered a COI, I will refrain from making further changes. I do encourage you to pull facts from the NF site in your ongoing editing of the page. Lcnorris (talk) 18:21, 9 August 2017‎ (UTC)

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Logo & Header

All, couple things:

1) New Flyer Industries Inc. (the parent company of New Flyer transit buses, MCI motor coaches, ARBOC low-floor cutaway buses, and NFI Parts - visually shown here: https://www.nfigroup.com/) had its name formally changed in May 2018 to NFI Group Inc. - can we please rename the page to NFI Group Inc. to reflect that?

2) Logo: the logo shown is incorrect. NFI Group has its own logo, and further, the New Flyer transit bus logo has since been updated and the one shown is no longer used. I can provide the logo - can someone update if I do?

3) Website: FYI only - the NFI Group Inc. site (https://www.nfigroup.com/) will be further built out and launched shortly. It will contain all corporate history, all subsidiary information, investor relations content, aggregate news/press releases (from New Flyer, MCI, ARBOC, and NFI Parts), and aggregate career postings. Much of this will move over from newflyer.com (given New Flyer represents the transit bus brand only). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lcnorris (talk • contribs) 13:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

@Lcnorris: Please provide the logo, thank you! SportsFan007 (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

@SportsFan007: Below are a couple I referenced. Note the New Flyer logo is used for New Flyer Canada ULC, and the New Flyer of America logo is used for New Flyer of America Inc. For any general references to the New Flyer transit bus business, please use only the New Flyer logo and not the New Flyer of America logo.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NF_Profile_Full.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_Flyer_of_America.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NFI_Group_Inc.png

@SportsFan007: Updates look awesome - thanks!

cleanup/fixup: suggestions

1. the market share has shifted since the cited (and entirely unsupported) 2016 numbers. NFI is now a near-monopoly, with minuscule competition from Gillig Corporation and Canada's Orion International and Nova Bus.
2. hype content: parroting of decade-old "top employer" accolades without noting this applies to office work (corporate, sales, engineering) not anything mechanical (i.e. most NFI jobs), and only to Canada rather than the United States (i.e. most NFI jobs). Is it still "top" or is this stuff now fancruft?
3. without any clear ties to the article proper, the Bus models section is only a gratuitous list, and ought to be deleted. Anyone who loves it can bury it in List of buses.
4. there could be a See also section for such articles as New Flyer Low Floor, New Flyer Xcelsior, New Flyer Invero, and Alexander Dennis Enviro200 (the NFI "MiDi" model, fwiw).
5. as repeatedly brought up (and derailed) previously on this Talk page, there really needs to be much effort put into differentiating NFI Group (the multi-company owner or holding corporation or investor group or WTF it calls itself) from the actual transit-bus-building part, colloquially New Flyer of America (NFA). For example, NFI's bus-parts business functions independently from the assembly lines. Without that demarcation, the article freely swings from talking corporatese to talking bus-making (the core revenue stream and the primary brand image).
6. it strikes me as strange that there's no examples of the New Flyer "wing" logo seen daily by millions of commuters and pedestrians.
7. is New Flyer at any point differentiated from cartage company NFI Industries?
8. New Flyer's Toronto Exchange ticker symbol is NFI.UN
9. that Market Beat article is in multiple ways superior to NFI Group Inc. and ought to provide a model for revision.
10. throughout the present article are perhaps a hundred examples of semiliteracy, not least being questionable understanding of basic English punctuation.
11. New Flyer doesn't have a history so much as an evolution. Been awhile since I read the official company bio, but a couple dozen (at least) small regional manufacturers were accreted in the '50s and '60s (some themselves agglomerations), whether near-bankruptcy acquisition or strategic partnership. The present article is heavily slanted toward making the subsequent waves of ownership sound like geniuses for simply recognizing profit potential.
12. a potentially interesting side-trip for an encyclopedic article would be the effects of unionization and the 1982 Buy America Act (which specifically "deals with purchases related to rail or road transportation") — it's common knowledge in western Minnesota, but I can't find formal sources so realize it'd presently qualify as synthesis. The Crookston plant started out 35 miles away, in Grand Forks in the late 1980s. But as North Dakota is a "right-to-work" (anti-union, that is) state, some major bus buyers such as New York City and Los Angeles avoided New Flyer, and BAA blocked NFI from simply selling them Winnipeg-made buses, so the operation was entirely moved to Minnesota. (Ironically enough, NFI's Jamestown NY component production plant isn't unionized.) The Anniston plant took advantage of a preexisting campus, but a major draw was Alabama's RTW; coupled with massive unemployment in the region, wages can be kept minimal and few workers are at all vital (98% of jobs considered semi- or unskilled labor). The Crookston and Saint Cloud plants are represented by the Communication Workers of America because no other union would take on such a small workforce (officially 325 and 750 respectively), specifically Local 7304. Despite recurrent anti-union rumblings from NFI, loss of the Minnesota union would significantly undercut sales.

For starters.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I've blanked the entire Bus models section. Anyone who misses it should comment here.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 28 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 22:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

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NFI Group Inc. → NFI Group – per WP:NCCORP policy. Tagsfornia (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. KCVelaga (talk) 01:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support this move 2601:541:4500:1760:D824:4A17:1A28:2C0F (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:05, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
• Won't fight it — seems (to me) like pointless nit-picking. Now I'm curious about the circumstances.
  Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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NFI Group - Corporate Reference Updates

Hi all,

Full transparency: I work for New Flyer.

Wanted to give a heads up on a few factual changes to NFI Group references on the page: in short, NFI Group Inc ("NFI") is now the parent company of multiple entities, including New Flyer, MCI, ARBOC, NFI Parts, and Alexander Dennis (the latter of which was acquired in May - details @ https://www.nfigroup.com/2019/05/28/nfi-group-inc-announces-acquisition-of-alexander-dennis-limited/). With the acquisition, NFI grew overnight from 6,000 people to just under 9,000 people, and from operating in 2 countries to operating in 10 (Canada, US, UK, Germany, Ireland, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Mexico, New Zealand).

The page currently references New Flyer ownership but does not mention/make clear the ownership of other subsidiaries. Can you please integrate updates into the page so it's current? Below is the statement normally found in our press release "boilerplates" (obviously do not expect this verbiage to carry over, as it's likely too corporate for the Wiki page):

About NFI

With over 8,900 team members operating from more than 50 facilities across ten countries, NFI is a leading independent global bus manufacturer providing a comprehensive suite of mass transportation solutions under brands: New Flyer® (heavy-duty transit buses), Alexander Dennis Limited (single and double-deck buses), Plaxton (motor coaches), MCI® (motor coaches), ARBOC® (low-floor cutaway and medium-duty buses), and NFI Parts™. NFI buses and motor coaches incorporate the widest range of drive systems available including: clean diesel, natural gas, diesel-electric hybrid, and zero-emission electric (trolley, battery, and fuel cell). It also supports infrastructure development through New Flyer Infrastructure Solutions™, a service dedicated to providing safe and reliable charging and mobility solutions. In total, NFI now supports over 105,000 buses and coaches currently in service around the world. For the fiscal year ended December 30, 2018, NFI posted revenues of US$2.5 billion. NFI common shares are traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol NFI. News and information are available at www.nfigroup.com, www.newflyer.com, www.mcicoach.com, www.arbocsv.com, www.alexander-dennis.com, and www.nfi.parts.

Thanks, L — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lcnorris (talk • contribs) 19:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)