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*'''Overturn''' The closer's inability or unwillingness to actually read the discussion, preferring instead to cast a supervote, was painfully obvious. [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*:Please try to assume good faith, @[[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]]. Both of the closers are experienced, well-intentioned editors. To assert without evidence that they didn't read the discussion and intentionally supervoted is a personal attack. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 13:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*::[[WP:SPADE]]. [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 16:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 
* Deep sigh. '''Keep closed''' on productivity/time sink grounds. And no, I'm not open to discussing my !vote. '''[[User:WaltCip|⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper</span> ]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 13:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''No consensus''' or '''consensus to disapprove of Vector 2022''' are the most likely outcomes for question 1. For question 2, '''no consensus''' seems to be in line with the comments.{{paragraph break}}{{tqi|As some participants noted, it's likely that very few of those commenting in this RfC have any experience with UI design and, as such, the opinions presented here are only that, opinions.}} - That seems most plausible for both questions.{{paragraph break}}{{tqi|Another point of contention was the fact that, while it is trivial for registered users to change back to the old skin if they dislike the changes, unregistered users do not enjoy that option. Many of those supporting the rollback were sympathetic editors who saw this as problematic. The only refutation offered to this was that the new skin was shown to be, according to the aforementioned studies and surveys, an improvement for readers, especially due to the reduced text width.}} - The proper solution to this problem is to have logged out preferences. Persistent width is already in the works, if not already live.{{paragraph break}}{{tqi|With regards to the second question presented in this RfC, arguments presented by both sides were very similar to the first question, in that some like the new limited width and others do not. Some of those supporting an unlimited width noted that many articles contain galleries, tables, etc., and were negatively affected by the new width. There was a lot of discussion on whether scientific papers reached any form of consensus on the best width, with both sides presenting studies with opposing views on the issue. The large amount of whitespace was one of the main concerns of those who supported the rollback of Vector 2022. Since the arguments are equal in strength, there is '''rough consensus to make unlimited width the default'''.}} - If the arguments are equal in strength, shouldn't that equate to "no consensus"? Anyway, since this is such a minor technicality I don't know if it is most productive to actually pursue this overturn.{{paragraph break}}Note I was heavily [[WP:INVOLVED]] in the discussion, however, I am just applying the guidelines at [[WP:CLOSE]] to determine what the result should have been closed to. The closing statement appears to address all the arguments listed, it is not perfect, but it was applied with as neutral judgement as possible. [[User:Awesome Aasim|Aasim]] - [[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|Herrscher of Wikis]] ❄️ 14:00, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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