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January 9
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January 9, 2025
(Thursday)
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(Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election
editBlurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential vacuum
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as WP:ITN/R or not. Oppose on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. Yo.dazo (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. Toadspike [Talk] 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ArionStar (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. Tradediatalk 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. Scuba 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
January 8
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RD: Pritish Nandy
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: .Indian parliamentarian needs work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good to me TheHiddenCity (talk) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
January 7
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(Posted) RD: Brian Matusz
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 02:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Not much on his personal life. But I think the article meets our customary standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm looking for those details, but not finding anything atm. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Agreed that it meets our usual standards as-is. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure why my nom was the one deleted, but as per that one, support. Career is well-cited. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand why my nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because yours was the duplicate nom. Stephen 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, you're right. DarkSide put it at the bottom of the day, I didn't see it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because yours was the duplicate nom. Stephen 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand why my nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ayla Erduran
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Albigator (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Adem (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Turkish violinist who died on January 7. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 1880 characters (299 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support No CN notes nor anything that I found that was unreferenced, at least from reading through the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - good enough for posting ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) January 2025 Southern California wildfires
editBlurb: A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces at least 80,000 people to evacuate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Multiple intense wildfires in southern California collectively burn over 20,000 acres, killing five and forcing at least 80,000 to evacuate.
Alternative blurb II: A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces more than 80,000 others to evacuate.
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/palisades-brush-fires-california
Credits:
- Nominated by Thewetroadinsummer (talk · give credit)
Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose I wouldn’t even say the article is ready for main space. We also almost never post about wildfires. EF5 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre Park Fire last year), yet we don't post about those. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impactsEF5 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree, while not the biggest, these fires are burning within the borders of the 2nd largest city in the United States. That alone makes this significant. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre Park Fire last year), yet we don't post about those. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impactsEF5 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Article is in very rough shape. Estreyeria (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Strong oppose - not significant enough in the world, and I'm saying that as someone from California. Bad article quality. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing to Wait. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment There is an article that is in better shape than the one being nominated. 2025 Palisades wildfire TheHuman630 (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 5 deaths, significant news coverage and 1,100 structures destroyed. This is also threatening populated areas. TheHuman630 (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Even considering the second article, we'd not post a wildfire of this size unless it started significant destruction or lives lost. Its only getting attention because its close to LA. --Masem (t) 01:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Obviously ITN operates a bit differently from the rest of Wikipedia, but I think it's best to just say that these sorts of things are significant if and only if reliable sources are calling them significant — regardless of any WP:MINIMUMDEATHS or location criteria. And, right now, I think reliable sources are saying that. DecafPotato (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait I'm re-opening this as it's the top story and live in both the BBC and NYT and there seems to be much more to come. It seems absurd to prevent discussion of such a hot topic. Note that there are multiple fires and so we should consider 2025 California wildfires to get the big picture. Coverage also keeps highlighting the Santa Ana winds as significant and so maybe that article should appear in the blurb as it's quite substantial and informative and so seems to have a good encyclopedic tone. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait It's too early to tell, but I feel like this should only be posted if it comes out that the damage is unparalleled in LA history or if it hits something important like the Getty Villa. (I sincerely hope neither of those should happen.) Should also say that the blurbs definitely need fixing. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait I think it may be notable enough for a blurb, but it's too early to say for sure.Johndavies837 (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support Historic wildfire event (most destructive fire in Los Angeles history, potentially the costliest wildfire ever, 5 deaths confirmed so far, worldwide news coverage). --Johndavies837 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unsure if this is a better article target instead January 2025 Southern California wildfires, which covers other fires in the Los Angeles area. Natg 19 (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant destruction of a large urban area. That there’s been no fatalities so far is extraordinary. yorkshiresky (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Support Altblurb3 as nominator, please let me know if you intend to or want me to modify it.Comment withdrawn as other blurbs have been removed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @31.44.227.152: I don't think you can vote twice. EF5 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). EF5 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah. In that case, ignore my above comments. :) EF5 14:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- We use consensus, not voting. –DMartin 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bad wording on my part. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). EF5 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment @Stephen: Is there any particular reason why you're reverting to your revision of the blurb? I feel it comes across as needlessly dramatic to the more matter of fact wording. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @31.44.227.152: I don't think you can vote twice. EF5 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Slight rewording and update of altblurb3 and including that two people died. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, today is an extremely critical fire weather day for the area around this fire. This could be something worth posting if all the pieces fall into the right place, but we won't know until they do (or don't). 4 thousand acres burnt is routine, but what might not be is 4 thousand acres at 0% containment before a full extremely critical day (followed by another critical day). Departure– (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose posting this right this second now. Up to 5000 acres (nearly 3000 for the Palisades fire) but nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just a few months ago we had the Mountain Fire (2024) at nearly 10,000 acres and that was seen as relatively uncommon, so 5000 acres across 2 seems routine at the moment. I also feel this is getting a lot of coverage for being near Los Angeles - again, I see that as routine and sensationalized in nature. Departure– (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Not going to ask for a pull if this is posted. The Eaton Fire just exploded to >10,000 acres burnt, and directly downstream of it is metro Los Angeles. 0% containment, extremely critical fire conditions. Weak support. Departure– (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not a significant destruction or lives lost. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait until more details emerge. I was about to oppose but it turns out that this is still a rapidly developing story – as of this writing, the fires are still ongoing and 0% contained – and while it does seem to be "routine" for now, this has the potential to become one of, if not the largest series of wildfires for this particular part of California. Vida0007 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to support. This has definitely met the criteria for ITN, and has sadly become one of the most infamous wildfire events ever. Vida0007 (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support Wildfires in California are common, but given the close proximity this fire is to LA (the second largest city in the U.S.) and how it's making global headlines, I am leaning to support this blurb. Article is also in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Massive news coverage of devastating fires with over a thousand structures destroyed and huge evacuations. Two confirmed deaths so far. Waiting for more confirmed deaths or further damage seems wrong to me. Opposers unconvincing. Altblurb 3 looks best. Jusdafax (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support One of the most historical events in Californian wildlife history, destroyed thousands of properties. Should absolutely be posted. The most famous event in the news right now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Main story on multiple news outlets, large wildfire even for California standards. Angusgtw (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose- we haven't posted similar fires in other countries, such as WP:In the news/Candidates/July 2024#(Closed) Jasper Fire. Also there's no indication about the death toll. Nfitz (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) - change to Support - situation clearly has worsened, and deaths will likely grow. Nfitz (talk) 05:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)- As of right now, 2 deaths confirmed with several injuries. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major news, major impacts, quality article to display. I'm unconvinced by OTHERSTUFF arguments about other fires or MINIMUMDEATH comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Wikipedia mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I evaluate each item individually. Opposing newsworthy items because they are about the developed world is not the way to fight systemic bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Wikipedia mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose the BBC and British media shouldn’t used to assess whether American news has achieved global notability, we should be looking at English language media in various countries
- Kowal2701 (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support article seems in decent shape - I've not been paying attention to the story so wanted to find out more and came to wikipedia - I believe the purpose of this page is to point at encyclopaedic articles that people will be looking for - this seems to fit the bill. EdwardLane (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. This is in the news and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose on principle. The death toll is 2 and the acreage is not anywhere close to record-breaking.As others have pointed out, there were significantly bigger American wildfires even in the past 12 months. We regularly reject storms and earthquakes that are similarly "usual", only damage a few thousand buildings, and kill 1-2 people. The only difference there is that these are from outside the USA. In fact, I have seen other noms where it is a typhoon or a flood in a developing country, but is SNOW closed - even despite the casualties or total damage costs from these disasters being over 10x higher than this fire. Given this, there is no plausible explanation for why this local wildfire affecting a single American city should now be posted. I am disappointed in the blatant U.S. centrism and bias which once again plagues ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you want record breaking, it has been reported that it may be the costliest wildfire on record. -- Tavix (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- The keyword is "may" and "plausible", not has. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. EF5 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Either way, fair enough that the fire may or may not worsen to record-breaking levels. By nature the situation is rapidly evolving. I will strike my strong oppose and replace it with "Wait". My opposition is admittedly mostly a protest about a double standard given we regularly speedy close similarly deadly disasters, but I will not punish this article or those suffering from this fire especially if this continues to evolve and is clearly notable. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reuters and the AP find this damage estimate sufficiently credible to be notable, and not without reason, given that the outfit has been doing these estimates credibly for some time. Of course, any estimate of an event recent enough to be on ITN is going to say "may". Chris vLS (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The keyword is "may" and "plausible", not has. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. EF5 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you want record breaking, it has been reported that it may be the costliest wildfire on record. -- Tavix (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Proposed an altblurb. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I feel the wording makes it read a bit more like a news headline rather than a blurb. I also think including acres without unit conversions makes it a bit too US-centric given how English language Wikipedia is aimed at a global audience, but that's just my opinion. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Wait for the story to develop; it's receiving a lot of coverage in the US but few outside the continent. Some sources point to possibly being record-breaking in damage but remains unconfirmed. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 22:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- International sources: BBC(front page), Le Monde, China Daily, The Straights Times(top story), Sydney Morning Herald(Top story), Der Spiegel. –DMartin 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Death toll is now at five. Jusdafax (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I had closed this last night as premature. Unfortunately the situation has gotten extremely bad with at least 5 confirmed fatalities and an enormous amount of destruction. As of this post, the fires are still out of control and spreading. It is receiving significant coverage outside of the US. IMO this now meets our customary standards for a blurb at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly Support - 3 large, uncontained fires within the 2nd largest city in the United States. Widespread coverage among both domestic and international news agencies. - MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Four large fires now, as of a few minutes ago, with mandatory evacuation issued for the Hollywood Hills now. --haha169 (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support this appears to be pretty major news now, due to its scale and the size of the city it is affected. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 01:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Majority of the opposition posted before the situation was getting increasingly worse. pauliesnug (message / contribs) 01:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Large complex of fires that are notably urban-adjacent. In the context of impacts, perhaps they do not scale to where some of the fires we've posted in the past have, but with most of these fires completely uncontained, I don't think it's too CRYSTALly to say the impacts will reach that range eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant coverage in the news - not just local american news sources either - for example, this is on the front page on Al Jazeera and Times of India. Schwinnspeed (talk) 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support, has had major impacts on one of the world's largest cities, and most culturally important cities in the anglosphere. While a death toll of five isn't particularly notable, there are over 100,000 displaced persons and "numerous injuries". –DMartin 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Major event in a major city. --FelineHerder (talk) 02:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support huge fire with lots of damage. Needs to be up there, especially now that it's spreading. Personisinsterest (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Fires in California are regular enough, but not ones that threaten LA. I think it would be better to replace "Southern California" with "Los Angles Metro Area" GGOTCC (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. Yo.dazo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks! GGOTCC (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. Yo.dazo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Bob Veale
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Peter Yarrow
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is in pretty good shape, needs a handful of citations Mooonswimmer 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: only two sentences with {cn} tags remaining, one of which could easily be commented out or removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Seems well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jean-Marie Le Pen
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BFM TV
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready , the article is quite confusing and contains uncredited statements. Newklear007 (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: "Life and career" section needs to be shortened or split, otherwise support as he's a polarising figure that's defined French far-right politics. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Recent deaths are not posted per importance of the person, but for being of a sufficient quality to post. One could make the equally objective claim that he should not be posted as he was the biggest loser in the history of presidential run-offs, and French far-right politics could not be "defined" by him as his party grew after his daughter kicked him out. With due respect to the dearly departed, I don't think anyone ever suggested that Ripken (dog) transformed any aspect of life on planet Earth. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - a couple of the sections need more references, I've just tagged where. After that good to go, I'm not particularly bothered about the length of the "Life and Career" section, that's the meat of the article and as a whole it's hardly overlong. I would oppose a blurb, just in case anyone is thinking of proposing one! - he has been influential, but not on the level we'd usually blurb for. — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Pre-emptively strongly oppose any suggestion of a blurb. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. If the article can be brought up to scratch, I would give a weak support for a blurb. His influence on far right politics extended well beyond France. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I see no problems with the article. Also I would support a blurb, I can't think of any one individual with more of an impact on French Politics in the modern day than him. Scuba 19:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Support, no outstanding issues with the article.31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)- There are still 9 citation needed tags and an unreferenced "Decorations" section. So no, there are still issues with the article. — Amakuru (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Founding figure of the modern French far-right that now has widespread influence in mainstream French politics. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on significance, Neutral on quality. Three CNs. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Now down to two {{cn}} tags, which is not bad for a 5000-word article. Moscow Mule (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD. The article isn't perfect but it's good enough to post as an RD. There are over 100 references so we shouldn't hold it up over one or two {{cn}} tags. Strong oppose blurb - he was a politician who never entered government. Modest Genius talk 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Regardless of personal opinion about this politician, he was widely covered by international press and his death is notable. ZebulonMorn (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
John Mahama
editBlurb: John Mahama (pictured) is sworn in as Ghana's President with Jane Naana Opoku-Agyemang is sworn in as the first female Vice-president of Ghana. (Post)
News source(s): Ghana Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Heatrave (talk) 11:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom. A significant event in Ghana. --IDB.S (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom Newklear007 (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've bolded target article and clarified who is pictured. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The election is the ITNR and while it was nominated in December, it did not meet quality for posting. We don't post inaugurations as "makeup" for an ITNR being missed. --Masem (t) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose If this was to have been posted, it should have been the election last month. ITN does not post inaugurations when there was a suitable target article, which is now stale. Black Kite (talk) 13:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose pretty much per Masem and Black Kite. The election was the right time to post this. Sorry, but we cannot compensate it not being posted with the inauguration.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support since we didn't post the election This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support significant, in the news and article is in good shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:C27B:CBB8:E11A:250E (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality looks satisfactory and this is a significant event. Ideally we post elections, but since we are now double posting prime ministerial successions in Western countries, I'm having a hard time buying the rational in the opposing comments above. Sometimes the double standards around here become a bit too glaring. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The difference with prime minister resignations followed by the announcement of their successor months later is because there is a whole election aspect there. We have no idea who will replace Trudeau, for example. Once that election is done and the winner confirmed, we will post that, though not the day that they officially take office. — Masem (t) 18:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have a specific example of an inauguration that we posted to justify the claim for double standards? I remember to have recently opposed a similar nomination on Von der Leyen Commission II where the rationale for posting was similar as here, that is, to post it because we hadn't posted the election result. Note that this was in the European Union, which is in the Western world, so it's not true that we have double standards for Western countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It wasn’t posted, but you’re right. While it was also a formalisation of the results from a previous election, it included another vote by the European Parliament. This inauguration is a pure ceremonial event without any uncertainty. In two weeks, Trump will be inaugurated as president, and that also involves some uncertainty because there are procedural votes. Anyway, my point is that I cannot support such ceremonial event when I oppose any event following an election that formalises the result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure we posted Barack Obama's inauguration as well as his election. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- That was a mistake which we shouldn't repeat.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose just because we didn't post the election doesn't mean we should break the norm and post the inauguration as a replacement. Scuba 19:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and highlights a major event for Ghana and the region. Maxxies (talk) 07:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle. If we didn't post at the time of the election, and the reason is for article quality, I think it's reasonable to post when the actual change of power happens. The blurb is a bit awkward, though. Maybe chance "with" to "while"? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support In principal. I think it would be nice to start blurbing notable inaugurations. This one is especially notable as it also reflects the country having a first female president. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present)
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in South Asia (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Daily mail The New York Times TOI Gulf news
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose This seems to be fairly routine. The WHO statement explains:
As expected for this time of year, the Northern Hemisphere winter, there is a month-over-month increase of acute respiratory infections, including seasonal influenza, R.S.V. and human metapneumovirus
. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This virus has existed since 2001 and had routine outbreaks in other parts of the world and per above. Rynoip (talk) 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It has not caused a large problem yet other than increasing worries that it may. Oppose. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Every winter since COVID we see exaggerated stories about 'outbreaks' in China. There's no evidence that there's anything new or unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Xizang earthquake
editBlurb: A Mw 7.1 earthquake hits Tingri County. located in the Tibet Autonomous Region leaving 9 dead. (Post)
News source(s): USGS BNO News Daily Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)
The AP (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Temporary oppose on article quality - quite a short article. I understand there are minimal sources on it(rural area + happened a few hours ago + Chinese censorship stuff) but still.
- Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Changing to Support; similar quality as Port Vila was when it was ITNed. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Two 7.1 earthquakes just happened - the one in Tibet appears to be an aftershock of another earthquake the same day in Nepal. 9 fatalities across just the Tibet one seems low for an earthquake to be posted, but further updates may increase that figure. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- USGS only shows one 7.1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Wikipedia though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of Lobuche. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The death toll has also risen to 36. I don't know the time in China but by the time we get the article to ITN quality the true death toll will be more clear. Over 7000 rescue personnel tells me the final total might go into the low triple digits, but I'm not going to WP:CRYSTALBALL this one way or the other for now. Departure– (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Wikipedia though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of Lobuche. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- USGS only shows one 7.1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support — Significant casualties, article has been expanded enough and still developing Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support – Rest in peace to the people who died in the strong earthquake. Too many casualties. Bakhos Let's talk! 06:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - 53 dead now. Nfitz (talk) 06:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Significant due to deaths. Article looks good to post. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – robertsky (talk) 07:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
January 6
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RD: Charles M. Roessel
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Missvain (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Navajo photographer, journalist and academic administrator. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: John S. Hunkin
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Tsc9i8 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former chief executive of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce Tsc9i8 (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Indonesia BRICS
editBlurb: Indonesia is officially made a full member state of BRICS (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Growing int'l supranational body. Pretty important. Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready The article has multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – Could you please provide reliable sources indicating that Indonesia's admission into BRICS is "pretty important"? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- 4th largest economy in the world.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Indonesia is only the 16th largest nation worldwide by nominal GDP. By population, however, it is 4th worldwide. Departure– (talk) 00:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here are some article about this news. [5] [6] [7] [8] Seems like Indonesia is now a full member state of BRICS. --IDB.S (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- BRICS is a large supranational body. Indonesia joining BRICS is comparable in notability to a country joining the EU. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --RockstoneSend me a message! 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- BRICS is not even like NAFTA, it's a talking shop with perhaps some joint financial institutions. It's probably more similar to the examples Gotitbro mentions below. CMD (talk) 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --RockstoneSend me a message! 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- 4th largest economy in the world.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant development for an interational body which has received increasing news coverage in recent years. While we should be assessing this item on its own merits if comaprisions are to be made (beyond the EU etc.) would we post if a new member became a part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, Commonwealth of Independent States, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation etc. For me the answer is yes as expansion among large interational organizations is not frequent and is always major news (also highlighted by the fact that our country articles highlight these organizations in their leads). Gotitbro (talk) 08:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- And the article appears fine enough for ITN to me. Gotitbro (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's 100+ such organisations and I'm not convinced that changes are always significant. For example, see Accession of Timor-Leste to ASEAN. Notice that this is a full and well-developed article about that addition but that we haven't posted it. The lack of an article for this Indonesia matter seems telling. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- ASEAN (a major economic block) and Timor Leste is one I would support posting when the accession happens [hasn't yet]. 100+ such organisations may exist but do any of them receive the same coverage as this one?, especially its recent expansion [politics] has been under much dicussion, see for instance britannica. Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all joined last year, and that oppurtunity to post was apparently missed twice: Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2023#BRICS Expansion and Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2024#BRICS Expansion with similar arguments based on the organization's politics rather than the significant news coverage of its expansion.
- As for the last point, ITN does not demand the creation of separate articles and an absence of it may point towards a lack of enwiki editors from Indonedia or those interested in the subject rather than a lack of notability. Gotitbro (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Needs work The update seems perfunctory with no specific details of the politics and impact of this addition. And, it seems that there's a big bundle of countries in this latest wave: Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan. The different status of partner and full member seems opaque as the article says, "It is unclear whether the countries in this tier have received official membership invitations". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to observer states. Indonesia is the only latest member, as this article from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The details seem vague because, as the article explains, "there is currently no formal application process to join BRICS". Per this source, "BRICS is an informal grouping, it has no founding treaty, secretariat supporting it or headquarters". Its effectiveness will thus depend on the quality of the rotating presidency. As it adds more minor countries, this will be increasingly volatile. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to observer states. Indonesia is the only latest member, as this article from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support on notability. Infer to others on quality of the article. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, a major nation joining a major economic sphere. I find it funny that people are saying the absolutely huge and generally very high-quality BRICS article having a few CN tags makes this not ITN-worthy. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability BRICS is nothing like ASEAN, EU, NATO, AU or CARICOM. It's China's and Russia's little project to try and score some political allies and try to emulate successful supranational organisations but it has very little relevance politically or economically, mainly due to the fact China, Russia, India and Brazil are not on equal footing in economics nor political clout, and they often have wildly conflicting interests, never mind the smaller members who are only there to make up the numbers. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... Banedon (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You could not, both of those have strong systems of mutual obligation. CMD (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... Banedon (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Gotitbro. An international organization does not need to be as developed as the EU, CARICOM, or ASEAN for membership to be newsworthy. The bar does not need to be that high, and countries making multilateral groupings is notable international diplomacy in its own right. CMD (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support A join of a country in a major bloc is always notable. ArionStar (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Resignation of Justin Trudeau
editBlurb: Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his resignation as the Prime Minister of Canada after serving in the role for nine years. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his intention to resign as Prime Minister of Canada.
News source(s): Wall Street Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
Major development in Canadian politics, leader for nine years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- NOTE The linked page is currently at AfD and cannot be posted until that is resolved. The discussion should probably be suspended or closed pending the outcome of the AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support yeah basically what OP said Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait We generally post the transition. He is still the PM for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Can you point to a case where it was decided to wait until an official transition happens? DMBradbury 19:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - format should be ALT2, per similar case of Boris Johnson in 2022. Trudeau isn't resigning yet, only announcing his intention to do so once a successor is chosen. — Amakuru (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It will take a few months for his replacement to be picked and will remain until then, so give that length of time this would be reasonable to post, though I have not had a chance yet to look at the article for quality. Masem (t) 16:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Needs expansion - the news of the resignation is just one line in the article so far, and there are no reactions. Suggest a bit of expansion there. — Amakuru (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 on notability per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) - Please, let's not encourage the addition of reactions, particularly if it is just commentary and not actual statements of intent. Reaction sections artificially inflate most news articles and are just bad content. — Masem (t) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 on notability per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.
- Wait until successor is elected. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only one line in the target about the resignation. We posted Biden not seeking re-election so I don't see why we shouldn't post Trudeau's resignation. Departure– (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Obviously a significant story that a long-term head of government resigns like this, but will need the article to be expanded further before it's ready to post. Gust Justice (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Support - very notable, large worldwide influence, but article quality not amazing.
- Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. We posted the last four British PMs' announcements of intent to resign, (Truss [9], Johnson [10], May [11], Cameron [12]) even though their system allows for leaderships to happen within days and/or weeks. In Canada, Trudeau will remain PM until a the party membership elects a new leader, which will take at least a couple months. The news is the announcement that is itself the culmination of a month long political crisis in the country. Both articles seem largely fine, with a paragraph about the resignation itself and sourced. Reactions will come, but the news is the resignation not reactions. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- To add to this, ALT2 should be used, since it is an intention to resign, not the actual resignation. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Given that there appears to be a growing consensus in support of posting this, and apparently this was done with more recent UK PMs, are we now going to routinely double post changes in administration? i.e. An announced resignation or intent to resign, and then the successor? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- In this sort of circumstance, when the announcement and the change of office are significantly separate from each other in time, certainly. This is different from the installation of a new US president, which follows automatically in January after the November election, because there are two separate pieces of newsworthy content - the decision of Trudeau to resign, and the choice of his successor - which at this point we don't know. It would be a bit bizarre to stay silent on something that's unexpected front-page news across the globe, just because of the technicality that we know we're going to be back to post another update in a few weeks' time... — Amakuru (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- The key bit in this case and the UK PMs cases is not the resignation in of it self, but doing so amidst an ongoing political crisis of some sort. I imagine that the precedent being set would not be for all resignation announcements of ITNR political officeholders, since some may be fairly "normal" (e.g. resigning for health reasons totally unconnected to any political scandal) though I would be in support of that. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 pretty much what the OP said. I would prefer the ALT2 blurb as it is worded a bit closer to the truth than the main blurb. IncompA 17:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mostly Support Pretty big news but needs expansion but I doubt that will take very long. Allied Panzer (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --IDB.S (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - the "Minority government" section and the material I've just moved up to the last paragraph of the "Pending resignation" section need citations. — Amakuru (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Per original nomination comment, specifically ALT2 for accuracy. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 17:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose for now we generally post the actual resignation and the succession of the new Prime Minister, not the announcement of an intention to resign at some unspecified point in the future. I'm not necessarily opposed to setting a new precedent, but normally we would wait. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above, pref. ALT2 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is a big development for Canada and North America as a whole. Joesom333 (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose He literally could not hold power in office for much longer. He would be forced to step down in a few months, he just chose to do it right now. Also he will still remain in office for the duration of his tenure. Not that exciting, not that important. From canada's laws, this is was going to happen. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see your point. The announcement of resignation (not in quotes, since he did actually state that he intended to resign) is major news, regardless of whether it happens now, or in a few months time. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Are you seriously trying to argue that a longtime leader of a major nation stepping down is not major news because it was “going to happen anyways?” The Kip (contribs) 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Completely disagree with SimpleSubCubicGraph above. The opposite is true: the end of Trudeau is the exciting story which is ITN; the appointment of the temporary LPC replacement in a couple months after the LPC election is the formality which is relatively less important. To the point of Ad Orientem, although this will effectively result in "a double post" when Canada's new prime minister is inaugurated (probably after an LPC leader election), this is justified in the circumstances because each event is independently ITN and notable. Trudeau's resignation marks "the end of an era" of 10 years of LPC rule with him at the helm. He, Trudeau the individual, has been at the heart of a highly publicized dispute with the American President. It is evident to me that there is a high level of international buzz about the "end of Trudeau", which might not be present anymore when we find out who the new Liberal is that will temporarily replace him for a few months prior to the Fall election. I therefore support posting now. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word will refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the eurocentrism here is saddening SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. Systemic bias has long been a serious problem on the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Canada is not in Europe. RachelTensions (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's still Eurocentricism though. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I find Manitoba and the territories to still have their own things going in 2025 and BC to be more of an Asian outpost, but yeah, Trudeau's province has a Paris, London, Brussels, Athens and Zurich in it. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's still Eurocentricism though. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Assuming all other requirements are met, I would support such a resignation for any political officeholder to which ITNR applies. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the eurocentrism here is saddening SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- You seem obviously bias towards Trump's expansionism Personisinsterest (talk) 00:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the
Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning
comment. They tried to get WP:TDS deleted recently as well; between that and other generally poor behavior on ITN/C, wondering if a tempban from projectspace is in order. The Kip (contribs) 08:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)- Yeah that might be a good idea. Definitely seems non-neutral. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the
- @SimpleSubCubicGraph: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word will refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per FlipFlopped and others. It's in the news now. Khuft (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak support mostly because he's been prime minister of a G7 country for a decade now, kinda like Merkel. Would like to point out though that if consensus is to post about future important resignations, WP:ITN/R should be updated accordingly—in part so we can actually define what an "important resignation" actually is. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. No reason not to wait until the actual leadership change occurs. Yes, it is news now. It will also most certainly be news when the official transfer of power occurs. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, one reason—this might take something like three months based on the prorogation, and in all likelihood will receive consistently high coverage during all that time. It would be odd to only bring up Trudeau's resignation on ITN months after it actually happened, and months after it actually was news. Hence why, as mentioned above, similar blurbs have been posted before for UK prime ministers. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt II Per Patar knight and Amakuru above. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major news. Setarip (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 per Patar knight and Amakuru. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per our precedent with UK prime ministers. Davey2116 (talk) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb 2 Very important to Canadian and to an extent international politics. Article is rapidly expanding and should be sufficient by the time any admin sees this. I'm also fine with the original blurb, but I like Alt2 more. --SpectralIon (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, with no comment on article quality (haven't checked yet). I think I prefer Alt2 because Trudeau's tenure spans longer than 9 years, making the more generalized language preferable in this instance. Kurtis (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Important to note that the article is up for deletion and the consensus is YES to not keep the article, so I think it should not be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk • contribs)
- Support, though the target article should be changed to Justin Trudeau#Resignation pending the outcome of the main resignation article's AfD. RachelTensions (talk) 21:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted, bolded Trudeau, until the resignation AfD is closed. Stephen 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
pull he is not head of state to be ITNR and there is not new PM even. the election is a while way away. We should post the confirmation that trump was officially elected POTUS today.Sportsnut24 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Isn't that contradictory User:Sportsnut24? And I thought we'd already ITNed the result of the US election. Nfitz (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is not being proposed as an ITNR item, and even in that case, the criteria for politicians at ITNR is
holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government,
, which for Canada, is the PM. The resignation itself is news. You are free to nominate the electoral vote count, but given that is usually routine that simply follows the November result, it will almost certainly not be posted. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC) - Nobody said anything about ITNR. RachelTensions (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - shouldn't "Prime Minister of Canada" be capitalized as per MOS:JOBTITLES? estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bring it up on WP:ERRORS. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pull - he hasn't resigned, he announced his intention to resign. We should only post his successor. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- pull per Rockstone. Trudeu has not resigned and we must await the appointment of his successor. The precedent with British prime ministers is a mistake. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Can you really call it a mere mistake when, as per Patar knight above, it's been consciously done four times already? It seems more like there's a new consensus now where certain types of resignation announcements can go on ITN. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support post-posting. If nothing else, Trudeau has suspended the parliament of Canada while a party proceeding takes places. I do think the blurb should mention the proroguing, but I do think the resignation announcement of a G8 leader warrants a blurb. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
January 5
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RD: Al MacNeil
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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- Nominated by Kline (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former NHL player and Stanley Cup-winning coach. Article is in okay shape minus one CN tag. Kline • talk • contribs 16:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Mike Rinder
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former spokesman for Scientology, and later outspoken critic of the church. Article is in surprisingly good shape with just one CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I fixed the citation-needed tag by providing a source. I also checked all the citations and added an archived version where needed. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
82nd Golden Globe Awards
editBlurb: At the 82nd Golden Globe Awards, Fernanda Torres (pictured) becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture - Drama. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Unusual victory. Brazil is at the top. ArionStar (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Golden Globes are not an ITNR)(I know it wasn't nominated as such) but if we are going to post any winners from these they should match the categories that we use for Oscars and Emmys, which are generally unremarkable this year. Fine tuning which specific category to feature so to highlight a first is not good use of ITN (what about Demi Moore's first major award, for example?) Masem (t) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- A Brazilian actress winning a major American production award is a remarkable event. Theoretically she had not chance against Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman and Pamela Anderson. ArionStar (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, wasn't Anna Sawai the first Japanese to win the same category but for television at the same event? Being Brazilian doesn't make it extraordinary. (CC) Tbhotch™ 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose It is very difficult to imagine this kind of news getting widespread coverage as is required by WP:ITNSIGNIF. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Was considering nominating Golden Globes myself, but the issue, in my opinion, is that it lacks "main" categories like the Best Picture and Best Actor/Actress to include in the blurb without it favoring a particular genre/format. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose on significance; these awards are much less influential than the Oscars, serving mostly as a hint of what might win those bigger prizes. We already have six different sets of film awards on ITNR and I don't think we need more, though I can see an argument that the Golden Globes have similar influence to BAFTAs. Oppose on quality - the article is a long series of tables with minimal prose and no reactions. Strong oppose the blurb as written, which focusses on the nationality of a single category winner. Modest Genius talk 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Joseph Bendounga
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
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- Nominated by Faldi00 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration Faldi00 (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: The Vivienne
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:
- Nominated by Tayce Widdrington (talk · give credit)
- Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Brunnaiz (talk · give credit), Orangesclub (talk · give credit) and Is it Juan? (talk · give credit)
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Tayce Widdrington (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*Oppose for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs. Suonii180 (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) - changed to support, everything looks referenced now. Suonii180 (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support as references for the discography and filmography tables have been filled out. orangesclub 🍊 08:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, discography and filmography citation issues appear to have been resolved. Morgan695 (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Now well cited, article appears to be in good shape. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: S. A. Khaleque
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15]
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- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves. Lefcentreright Discuss 05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Costas Simitis
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Usnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former Greek Prime Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, long way from being posted TNM101 (chat) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --SpectralIon (talk) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Congestion pricing
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Blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the central business district (Post)
Alternative blurb: New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the CBD
News source(s): Brazil Reuters AP UPI Fortune
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --Masem (t) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. Masem (t) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance TNM101 (chat) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see Hoy No Circula. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor
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Blurb: Markus "Notch" Persson announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, Minecraft. (Post)
News source(s): PC Gamer
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Created by BarntToust (talk · give credit)
- Oppose just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. Tube·of·Light 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light. --IDB.S (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --Masem (t) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet WP:ITNSIGNIF TNM101 (chat) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good-faith nomination per WP:CRYSTAL. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. Departure– (talk) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem & MtPenguinMonster Hungry403 (talk) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose until release This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
January 4
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RD: Richard B. Hays
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service Christianity Today
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Innerstrife (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Claude Allègre
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entrevue Le Figaro
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: French politician and scientist TNM101 (chat) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. Chaiten1 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by 103.85.36.150 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jake11223344 (talk · give credit) and INgIEroC (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced. TJMSmith (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Updated! TJMSmith (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
StrongSupport Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip (contribs) 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you for the explanation. SpectralIon (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip (contribs) 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes
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Blurb: Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in Awash Fentale in Afar Region. (Post)
News source(s): Al Alarabiya English, BBC News
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- Updated and nominated by AsteriodX (talk · give credit)
- Oppose three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. Stephen 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. The Kip (contribs) 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen, doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
January 3
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RD: Hans Dieter Beck
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LTO and several others
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Influential publisher in 6th generation of leading publishing house C. H. Beck. New article by Thriley. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Yusuf Bhamjee
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/
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- Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament Lefcentreright Discuss 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jeff Baena
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People Magazine
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by Zujine (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 98.173.178.246 (talk · give credit), Simonthings18 (talk · give credit), DiaMali (talk · give credit) and Jolielover (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American screenwriter and film director. TJMSmith (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria jolielover♥talk 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Not ready Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references.Support Article seems ready now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)- Besides producing Spin Me Round, all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. Kingsif (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- IDK, style preference? But you can if you want. Kingsif (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship
editBlurb: In darts, Luke Littler (pictured) wins the 2025 PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JamesVilla44 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting final. OZOO (t) (c) 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've boldly bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Article is currently not ready since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications)Support since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, @JamesVilla44:! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)- Reference adding in progress JamesVilla44 (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Seed section now referenced JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Now referenced on pro tour qualification JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of MOS:COLHEAD? Would this hinder it being posted? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Schedules should follow now, right? JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. Effy Midwinter (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Well referenced. Good to go. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Marking ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Britt Allcroft
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by 66.185.84.206 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheStarSwitcher (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. Jusdafax (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? TNM101 (chat) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Devastating eruption located
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wtmitchell (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Wikipedia have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. [16]. Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. [16]. Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius talk 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tariana Turia
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready On desktop and with standard width, the table under the "Labour Party" section title causes the text to be squeezed to 21 characters per row between it and the infobox on the right which makes the text needlessly hard to read. I am unsure where to move it. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Done Table moved. Grimes2 (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is about a fairly notable person and is quite well-written. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
January 2
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January 2, 2025
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Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Pippa Garner
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Art Net
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by Wovenbone (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American artist, illustrator, industrial designer. Death reported 2 January. TJMSmith (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Louis Schittly
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French physician and humanitarian. One of the founders of Médecins Sans Frontières. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Buddy MacKay
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American politician, governor of Florida for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Several areas that need more references. SpencerT•C 05:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Rundstef (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop. Grimes2 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, I came to nominate, and perhaps update, but you did it all! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Article looks fine, nice work. Not sure if bibliography like this is needed, but that's not an issue here. Posting. --Tone 13:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Well sourced, informative, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Rosita Missoni
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian knitwear designer. With her husband Ottavio Missoni, she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house Missoni. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. Cambalachero (talk) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unless something has changed here recently, cause of death does not need to be mentioned for people who die of old age. RD does not require that degree of depth. Curbon7 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- She was 93. RachelTensions (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- We do not require cause of death. But we do require that it’s at least start class, which this one is not. Schwede66 20:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Article has been expanded. Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 21:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ján Zachara
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara". Denník N (in Slovak). 2 January 2025. "Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away". rtvs.sk. Retrieved 2025-01-02.
Credits:
- Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (Ágnes Keleti) Di (they-them) (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a WP:STUB.—Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. Cambalachero (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- We don't post stubs. Schwede66 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ágnes Keleti
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] blikk portfolio hvg
Credits:
- Nominated by 94.44.118.57 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The oldest living Olympian in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.118.57 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Second and and third citation above from Spworld2 (talk · contribs)'s duplicate nomination. His comment was
Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman
. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both Yvonne Chabot-Curtet and Iris Cummings were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose as per WP:DENY. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy:
This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.
—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy:
- Support Article is in quality to post. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Joseph2302, WP:BMB applies here. Rewarding a banned editor by posting this will only encourage more sockpuppetry. This should be closed and an editor in good standing can renominate. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- How about simply withholding the ITN nom credit template? No need to close and renominate the same candidate. -- PFHLai (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like that's what Stephen has done.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't give credits to IPs as I assume they're transient. Stephen 22:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like that's what Stephen has done.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- How about simply withholding the ITN nom credit template? No need to close and renominate the same candidate. -- PFHLai (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Yoav Gallant, member of the Israel Parliament (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV The Times Of Israel
Credits:
- Nominated by ArPerfectlyEdits (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. Grimes2 (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose first this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates WP:ARBPIA (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN. — Masem (t) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
References
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For the times when <ref></ref>
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- ^ "Meghalt Keleti Ágnes". Blikk (in Hungarian). 2 January 2025.