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RfC: Reliability of La Patilla

What is the reliability of La Patilla?

• Option 1: Generally reliable
• Option 2: Additional considerations
• Option 3: Generally unreliable
• Option 4: Deprecate

WMrapids (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: While reviewing WP:VENRS, La Patilla was listed as "generally reliable" by members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Venezuela. However, the members themselves glossed over controversial issues surrounding La Patilla. Its founder and head worked directly for Juan Guaido, though this was ignored. This is controversial because La Patilla would push the false narrative that Maduro troops set fire to aid with tear gas, though The New York Times would later publish detailed information that a protester started the fire with a molotov cocktail. Guaido would continue to say the fire was started by Maduro forces, arguing "That was a point of view of an investigative report by the newspaper."

Users of the project also casually mentioned in passing that La Patilla would republish articles by Breitbart ([1][2][3]), which has been blacklisted per WP:BREITBART. A Google search of site:lapatilla.com AND "Breitbart" can show that La Patilla has done this multiple times, as recently as September 2022, so this is something persistent.

This is concerning, so this is why an RfC has been placed. Thank you.--WMrapids (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

• Option 1: La Patilla is one of the main digital news outlet in Venezuela. In 2017 it was the seventh most visited website in the country, and some years before, in 2015 it held the fifth position, only behind YouTube, Amazon, Google and Facebook, which can be interpreted as a sign of its trustworthiness as a source. Founded in 2010, it would be the pioneer of the online outlets that would come in the future, such as Efecto Cocuyo, El Pitazo, El Estímulo, and so on. The classification was put in place first for a reason.

While discussing his latest appointment, Alberto Federico Ravell's career, the outlet's director, should be remembered: he served as director of Globovisión, one of the main television channels in the country at the moment, for over 15 years, and before that he was also appointed in the 80s as the director for the state-run television channel Venezolana de Televisión, showing his long trajectory as a journalist. When discussing a possible conflict of interest, the issue at hand is editorial independence. As such, La Patilla has actually covered and published news about scandals related to Guaidó, including the allegations of embezzlement of humanitarian aid:[4][5][6][7] Regarding The New York Times investigation, it should be noted that, at the time, many outlets also originally published the aid as being set on fire by Maduro sources. This is reflect in the own's article introduction: The narrative seemed to fit Venezuela’s authoritarian rule (...) Venezuela’s opposition held up the images of the burning aid, reproduced on dozens of news sites and television screens throughout Latin America, as evidence of Mr. Maduro’s cruelty. It's the reason why the report was so revealing at the time.

Speaking of Breitbart, the examples provided are articles about Venezuela, and in some cases general facts that are not disputed: the first article talks about the currency's devaluation and the second one about demotions and expulsions in the military, both of which are commonplace in Venezuela and not really in dispute. Interestingly, in the case of the first article one of the most salacious statements by Breitbart is removed: "People reduced to eating household pets to survive are generally quite cynical." Both articles also use references deemed reliable by Wikipedia, including Reuters ([8][9]), AFP, Bloomberg, Telegraph and BBC. The third article actually quotes World Tribune, and all of these three cases are understandable knowing that La Patilla functions mostly as a news aggregator. Likewise, the fact that Breitbart's unreliability is not as known is the Spanish speaking sphere also has to be considered.

News outlets are prone to be just as fallible as humans. We can take Trump's Fake News Awards as an example of this: several reliable sources have been vilified in the past for mistakes, retracted stories or comments made by journalists. With a twelve years history, is only natural that these flaws will be found. However, the "generally" classification in "generally reliable" exists for a reason, and La Patilla is a valuable source for content about Venezuela that in the current landscape is badly needed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 01:07, 6 June 2023 (UTC)