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Added line for inclusion in "Home computer" list

I added Category:Home computers as the last line of the article so that the Commodore 64 will appear in the Category:Home_computers list. The process is a black box to me, so if I did it wrong, please correct. Oh, and post here what I did wrong. UrQuan3 (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You did nothing wrong, but it's already categorized in Category:Commodore 64 which in turn belongs to Category:Commodore 8-bit computers which is then part of Category:Home computers. --Zac67 (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Color RAM question?

How is it possible that with 512 bytes of color RAM 40x25 characters (1000) are stored and each character? needs 1 byte for 2 colors of the 16 palette, 4 bits are necessary for each color, therefore the color RAM should be at least 1000 bytes. Hooankee (talk) 04:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hooanke: As detailed in the article, the color SRAM (2114) is 1024x4, sufficient for 16 foreground colors for 40x25 characters (with 24 nibbles unused). --Zac67 (talk) 08:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I said 2 colors each 8x8 cell, you need double memory. This is the same memory you need for 4x8 with 4 colors, you still need a full 1Kb. Hooankee (talk) 02:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

success in germany and north european markets

the article is informative and faithful concerning sales in usa uk japan and france. however nothing about germany (a big market) and northern european countries where imho, c64 was selling well and where the demoscene and hacker community emerged 2A02:8440:5402:C686:0:41:EB11:3F01 (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27 million units sold?

David John Pleasance, managing director of Commodore UK, gives a much greater number than other estimates:

I can tell you categorically that the number was just a tad under 27 million. I can tell you that because, when we were thinking about doing a management buyout, we got access to all the figures.

From this article. -- 2804:D4B:79CE:9100:1CD9:B22B:C494:C830 (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Added line for inclusion in "Home computer" list ==
-== Commodore 64 palette ==
+I added Category:Home computers as the last line of the article so that the Commodore 64 will appear in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Home_computers Category:Home_computers] list.  The process is a black box to me, so if I did it wrong, please correct.  Oh, and post here what I did wrong. [[User:UrQuan3|UrQuan3]] ([[User talk:UrQuan3|talk]]) 15:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
-{| class="wikitable"
+: You did [[WP:BRD|nothing wrong]], but it's already categorized in [[:Category:Commodore 64]] which in turn belongs to [[:Category:Commodore 8-bit computers]] which is then part of [[:Category:Home computers]]. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 15:46, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
-|+ Commodore 64 palette
-! Hexadecimal RGB value
-! Name
-|-
-| #000000
-| style="color: white; background-color: #000000" | Black
-|-
-| #626252
-| style="color: white; background-color: #626262" | Dark-Gray
-|-
-| #898989
-| style="color: white; background-color: #898989" | Mid-Gray
-|-
-| #adadad
-| style="color: black; background-color: #adadad" | Light-Gray
-|-
-| #ffffff
-| style="color: black; background-color: #ffffff" | White
-|-
-| #9f4e44
-| style="color: white; background-color: #9f4e44" | Red
-|-
-| #cb7e75
-| style="color: black; background-color: #cb7e75" | Light Red
-|-
-| #6d5412
-| style="color: white; background-color: #6d5412" | Brown
-|-
-| #a1683c
-| style="color: white; background-color: #a1683c" | Orange
-|-
-| #c9d487
-| style="color: black; background-color: #c9d487" | Yellow
-|-
-| #9ae29b
-| style="color: black; background-color: #9ae29b" | Light Green
-|-
-| #5cab5e
-| style="color: white; background-color: #5cab5e" | Green
-|-
-| #6abfc6
-| style="color: black; background-color: #6abfc6" | Cyan
-|-
-| #887ecb
-| style="color: black; background-color: #887ecb" | Light Blue
-|-
-| #50459b
-| style="color: white; background-color: #50459b" | Blue
-|-
-| #a057a3
-| style="color: white; background-color: #a057a3" | Purple
-|}
+== Color RAM question? ==
-The colours in this palette are not in the order of the actual colour indices in the Commodore 64. Instead, they are in some random aesthetically pleasing order that bears no relation to the order of colours actually used. Should the colours be rearranged? [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 20:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
-:Yes, I think a reference to the acutal palette index should be in order. How about adding an index column and making the table sortable? --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
+How is it possible that with 512 bytes of color RAM 40x25 characters (1000) are stored and each character? needs 1 byte for 2 colors of the 16 palette, 4 bits are necessary for each color, therefore the color RAM should be at least 1000 bytes. [[User:Hooankee|Hooankee]] ([[User talk:Hooankee|talk]]) 04:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
+:{{Re|Hooanke}} As detailed in the article, the color SRAM (2114) is 1024x4, sufficient for 16 foreground colors for 40x25 characters (with 24 nibbles unused). --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 08:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
+::I said 2 colors each 8x8 cell, you need double memory. This is the same memory you need for 4x8 with 4 colors, you still need a full 1Kb. [[User:Hooankee|Hooankee]] ([[User talk:Hooankee|talk]]) 02:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
+== success in germany and north european markets ==
-::I see you already did this, thanks for that. Now the only funny thing is that after you click on some column to sort the table, the only way to get the original aesthetically pleasing order back is to reload the whole article. Maybe we should get rid of that and make the table ordered by colour index by default? [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 23:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
+the article is informative and faithful concerning sales in usa uk japan and france. however nothing about germany (a big market) and northern european countries where imho, c64 was selling well and where the demoscene and hacker community emerged [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8440:5402:C686:0:41:EB11:3F01|2A02:8440:5402:C686:0:41:EB11:3F01]] ([[User talk:2A02:8440:5402:C686:0:41:EB11:3F01|talk]]) 04:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
-== The sx-64 was not the first color laptop ==
+== 27 million units sold? ==
-sanyo came first. sorry for no caps, keyboard is dying
+David John Pleasance, managing director of Commodore UK, gives a much greater number than other estimates:
-sources:
+:''I can tell you categorically that the number was just a tad under 27 million. I can tell you that because, when we were thinking about doing a management buyout, we got access to all the figures.''
-http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/sanyo775/
+From [https://www.bcs.org/articles-opinion-and-research/the-rise-and-fall-of-commodore this article.] -- [[Special:Contributions/2804:D4B:79CE:9100:1CD9:B22B:C494:C830|2804:D4B:79CE:9100:1CD9:B22B:C494:C830]] ([[User talk:2804:D4B:79CE:9100:1CD9:B22B:C494:C830|talk]]) 06:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euhp8Vn2FTw&vl=en
-[[User:KinneticSlammer|KinneticSlammer]] ([[User talk:KinneticSlammer|talk]]) 23:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
-:"Laptop" *g*. Interesting - we'd need to have a better source for the availability date though. Other pages state 1984 with a review dating from 1985. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 05:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
-== Neutron64's contribution, reverted by  Chaheel Riens ==
-curprev 20:25, 12 February 2022‎ Chaheel Riens talk contribs‎  118,843 bytes −946‎  Undid revision 1071419881 by Neutron64 (talk) what you need is some reliable third party sources to support the inclusion. undo Tag: Undo
-curprev 14:27, 12 February 2022‎ Neutron64 talk contribs‎  119,789 bytes +946‎  I have added the UNI64 C64 computers and described how the development of these new C64 computers started. I have not put any links to the manufacturers, because that will probably be seen as advertising, which is not intended. It is only to point out that these computers were developed and exist. It would not be good if they were not mentioned in Wikipedia, because these new developments are unique.
-I agree with Chaheel Riens here, (who reverted the contribution while I was investigating the Web store in question, www.uni64.com! lol) The UNI64 "computers" are actually unpopulated PCBs, they do not only lack cases and peripherals, they do not even have major components to make the boards functional. The PCBs have to be populated (apparently) by the user, with with salvaged original Commodore64 parts necessary (Perhaps SID can be replaced with "ARMSID", but this is problematic all around). I suggest Neuron64 look up "notable" and "notability" on Wikipedia. The "uniqueness" of the product is irrelevant to whether it gets included in Wikipedia. New contributions do need third party sources to confirm notability. [[Special:Contributions/75.71.166.197|75.71.166.197]] ([[User talk:75.71.166.197|talk]]) 04:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
-== Commodore 64 Mods section or page? ==
-In the last couple of years there's been an increasing number of third-party mods that enhance or change the C-64. I've mentioned a couple here but I am wondering if we should create a new page specific to that which we can refer to rather than this page becoming cumbersome? [[User:EggsHam|EggsHam]] ([[User talk:EggsHam|talk]]) 15:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Added line for inclusion in "Home computer" list

Color RAM question?

success in germany and north european markets

27 million units sold?

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