Talk:Cowboy Bebop

Regarding a Section Deleted on November 14, 2008

I deleted the section on the "ban" of Cowboy Bebop in Iran. That film is not any more "banned" in Iran than any other unauthorized film. The legal process required for producing domestic films and releasing foreign ones in Iran leaves no place for bans.

All media is unauthorized and therefore "banned" unless it becomes authorized by going through the legal process. Put briefly the media approval process in Iran works not on the basis of "innocent until proven" but on that of "guilty until proven."

Most of the media content released worldwide never goes through the process and is therefore "banned" in Iran but that, of course, doesn't mean it cannot be accessed by the Iranian people.

Just in case: IMDb is wrong about a ban on Cowboy Bebop in Iran, and that mistake has leaked into Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.133.203.247 (talk) 14:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

BANG!

'Bang!' is actually a relatively common thing in Anime. It was also said as the final line in Gantz, and was also used in Trigun a number of times. It can also been seen in the Live Action Death Note movie, as well as a ton of other places I can't even remember. Considering Cowboy Bebop originally aired on Adult Swim, I'm not entirely sure if it was a DIRECT 'influence' on Pop Culture even though Steve Blum voiced Tom and also voiced Spike. I think it's just a funny coincidence honestly.

As a side-note, can anyone here actually EXPLAIN 'Bang!' to me and what that's supposed to symbolize/represent/mean? --136.142.46.33 (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC) It's merely the noise a gun makes :/ that's the best I can explain it. -Robobvious 96.233.64.228 (talk) 20:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

"See also"

"See also"... "List of Cowboy Bebop voice actors"... And it's a red link. That's just stupid. Whoever did that should have actually made the list of voice actors first... "See also: Nothing!" ... worse than trivia sections...--Zantetsken (talk) 04:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If you had bothered to click the red link you would see that the page used to exist, but has since been deleted. Postmodern Beatnik (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

information vs spoilerage

the paragraph outlining Ein's character makes some allusions to his enhanced intelligence and abilities, but misses the more telling parts e.g. his demonstrated hacking ability (when Ed put the cyberspace goggles on him and was in awe of how fast he navigated the 'net and broke codes), somewhat human and resigned reactions to situations, etc. Not a normal doggie :) ... but then has it been missed on purpose to avoid spoilers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That information was originally present in two places, the main page and the list of characters page. Since these examples were redundant, and this article was already cited for having excessive plot detail, specific examples were removed from the main article and left in the list of characters page. The intention of the characters section in this article is to be a summary of the characters without getting mired in a redundant retelling of plot. It gives the reader the essential information so that they know who the character is without bloating the section with "this one time he did X, and in the next episode he did Y" which they can see if they click through to the "list of characters" page. Hewinsj (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

trivia

episode 22 did not air in the original two runs in the USA on Cartoon Network. Not sure how to reference this, the particular episode description was never listed by tv guide, as if it didn't exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.145.11 (talk) 06:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

You could try checking Anime News Network. I think I remember them talking about the episodes that were cut around the time that they were supposed to air. This wouldn't be trivia though, it could probably fit under reception or criticism. Hewinsj (talk) 00:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's a short ANN article about how the episodes were removed as a response to 9-11, and pulled from the programming list because the network felt they were inappropriate at the time. Hewinsj (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is a bootleg dvd box set used as the main image?

The image used is from the "Perfect Sessions" which is not a legal box set. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VANY80R6L._SS500_.jpg There was never such a box set released by Bandai. They released a standard box set which has long been out of print, Remix box set and a "Best Sessions" which had selected episodes. This current image is of a bootleg version that is available on Amazon and other internet stores and not any official box or the Best sessions. The following images are of official releases. http://www.rightstuf.com/images/large_images/av1297.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513AzGXZX2L._SL500_AA240_.jpg 72.189.253.222 (talk) 01:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Lacks

Your right, that image was used as the cover of a bootleg collection but it was also the cover art for the official box set released by Bandai in 2001. It included each of the original six DVDs packed in the original cases and a copy of the first Soundtrack inside a box with a flip-top lid. This image specifically is probably a display image used by retailers (Amazon, Right Stuf, Bestbuy) that was swiped by the bootleggers that you mention. Hewinsj (talk) 02:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

That said, I found a pic that somebody posted of a side shot of the official box set Hewinsj (talk) 02:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Talking about that, wouldn't it be cool if there was a section describing the different releases there have been? That could help people understand what to expect from each compilation, and spot potentially bootleg versions.--71.112.18.241 (talk) 10:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea. I don't have too much time right now, but I'll try to put something together when I can. If someone else wants to work on it though feel free. Hewinsj (talk) 13:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

And it's been added. I used info from the Anime News Network to detail the 3 DVD releases in chronological order. I also made a small table to collect details about the first DVD release. I didn't go much further because it was getting longer then the text that accompanied it. If I have time I'll come back later to see if I can find a way to add more columns for the "Remix" release since there are 6 volumes of both that and the original release. Hewinsj (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

why is spike the only one with an individual pic

can't we add some of faye jet ed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radicaledwardfan (talk • contribs) 18:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

If your talking about the one on the character page it's probably because no one's deleted it yet. Single images for characters like that (while good in some people's opinion because it illustrates the character) are generally frowned upon because it gets close to copyright infringement. It's easier to get away with a single picture that can cover a whole group of characters like the one on the main article that shows the whole crew.

That said, you can post an image if you need a visual example of something that your writing about that's outside the plot or a need to show what a character looks like. Hewinsj (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Missing Poster

The missing Poster image can be found here: http://journal.sarahcada.com/uploaded_images/cowboy-bebop-754433.jpg I have no idea how to upload it to Wikimedia, sorry. (81.173.147.0 (talk) 23:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC))

Plot is not BG info

The plot section is detailing background informations and not the plot of the show. It is as it would be about the setting of the show and not about the show. The gate incident may be important for the setting, but it is only mentioned in some episodes. The plot section should detail a condensed version of the story of the episodes. 81.182.237.214 (talk) 07:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

You got that right. From the histories, it looks like this stuff was once in a "Setting" section or the like, but its uncited, and frankly, not a very notable part of this world-class series. I'm pasting the stuff I cut out below, but don't recommend its return.

In the year 2021 AD, the first "Astral Gate" is built in orbit around the Moon; a hyperspace gateway meant to expedite space colonization by making travel between planets a matter of days instead of months or years. This gate, due to an internal defect, is destroyed in an incident that comes to be known as the "Gate Accident"; the gate exploded, and a massive blast of energy erupted from the gate and cracked the surface of the Moon, destroying a large part of it. Lunar debris immediately began to fall upon the Earth, devastating the planet's surface and killing 4.7 billion people. Fifty years later the human race numbers only 1.6 billion, but has colonized the entire Solar System through the use of perfected Gates.

While the Earth is still inhabited, its few remaining denizens must shelter themselves from the continuing rock falls in underground cities. With reconstruction rendered impossible by the rock falls, the human race instead terraformed other bodies of the Solar System including a variety of space habitats and industrialized asteroids. This solar community maintains a high level of racial and cultural diversity, and continues to use a large number of different languages, artwork and governments. However, its economy is predominantly Asian, using a nondivisible currency called the Woolong.

The population crash has led to a relative stagnation in technological development, though the Gates make space travel relatively easy. Directed energy weapons exist, but are large and dependent on heavy power sources. Gunpowder-based projectile weapons are the mainstay of combat, and many gun models from the beginning of the 20th century continue to be widely used.

As the Gates make it possible to cross the System in a matter of weeks, it became unfeasible for law enforcement to pursue criminals away from a given world. Criminal activity increased at every level of society; small-time criminals could act with relative impunity, and ruthless crime syndicates became as powerful as multinational corporations. In response, the bounty system of the Old West was reinstated throughout the System. Bounty hunters are encouraged to capture criminals and return them (alive and relatively unharmed) to the authorities for monetary rewards, in part through a regular television broadcast of "Big Shot", a bounty-hunter news program featuring Punch and Judy. This TV show is broadcast with a western motif and in the slang of the era, the term "Cowboys" refers to bounty hunters.

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The Bebop is made up of a bridge, general living quarters, storage for food and supplies, and a small hangar to allow docking of smaller one-man space vessels.

Now we need the plot of Cowboy Bebop properly put in... --Yamara ✉ 01:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the phrasing of this

Now, I agree with the sentiment expressed in 'It is considered one of the best anime series ever made', but that phrasing just strikes me as the sort of thing written by an obsessed fan. Vranak (talk) 18:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Could be changed to 'It is considered one of the best anime series ever made, as of Newtype USA' or something like that. It obviously need to be reconsidered, even if I, me too, share the sentiment that Cowboy Bebop is one of the best anume series ever made. OrphLL (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This irks me too. At first the phrase was acceptable to me, thinking that the series has received critical acclaim through the years that it has existed, and across many countries (most especially Japan). Then I clicked on the link and saw the least credible source I could've ever imagined: a survey, by a publisher I've never really heard of (which, upon research, I've learned ceased publication), in a single country not exactly known for its booming anime fandom, and for only a short period of time. Ridiculous.

I would suggest a more ambiguous phrasing. Something like "It is considered by many fans to be one of the best anime series ever made (or 'of all time')" StryyderG (talk) 20:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

But that would fall into weasel words wouldn't it? I am a big fan too, but I support the idea of getting a more reliable source to support it. It shouldn't be very hard to find one, or is it?. In the lecacy section there is a mention that CB landed 2nd place in a top 25 list by Newtype USA (I don't know who they are), that according to an article by animenewsnetwork.com. Are they as reputed as their motto says ("...most trusted anime news source")? if so the statement could use that source.--71.112.18.241 (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't the phrase "critically acclaimed" be used, presuming someone found reputable critics to cite? I would also have thought that surveys by reputable magazines and review sites could also be used to support the popularity amongst anime fans. I'm also pretty sure that Animenewsnetwork.com is reputable, but whether it is WP:RELIABLE? 124.169.112.178 (talk) 10:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Opening

Would it be correct to say that the opening was Saul Bass inspired? Jigen III (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Only if you can find commentary from a credible source to back that up. Hewinsj (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Tokyopop anime guides

Would you all please use the Cowboy Bebop anime guides by Tokyopop to reference additional material for this article? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)