User talk:TurtleMelody

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Greetings!

Hello TurtleMelody! Welcome and thanks for your contributions. I'm glad you're here and I hope you find your sojourn here a happy one, and if I can help you in any way drop me a message.

A couple of contributions did lead me to want to say whoa there, pilgrim. For instance here at Koko (gorilla) you deleted "Koko was the subject of the 1978 documentary Koko: A Talking Gorilla, directed by Barbet Schroeder." The film is bluelinked and I don't see why that wouldn't fit in the article.

here at Utica, New York you deleted the entire section. But there is some notable stuff in there (some is just cruft, true); I restored it and would rather see a more nuanced approach to the matter.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, I'm just saying. Cheers, Herostratus (talk) 17:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

For instance, take a look at it now (There are now two section, "Notable residents" as well as "Utica in popular culture and literature"). This is better than wholesale deletion, to my mind. Herostratus (talk) 00:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re Talk:Jim Watson

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So how are we supposed to discuss someone's sexuality without actually discussing their sexuality?TurtleMelody (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

We can't "discuss" it here unless it's published by a reliable source. Since we can't include anything non-sourced in the article, there's no real point in discussing it anyway.. -M.Nelson (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

So it all goes down the Wikipedia 'memory hole'. It's nasty but some people refuse to come out until the media outs them. Turns out that they're a better person once they're outed anyway. I think this would be the case for Jim Watson. TurtleMelody (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

That may be true, but Wikipedia isn't a "medium" that can do this. Wikipedia reflects the published media through sourcing. If the media outed him (or anyone else) then we would include it, but Wikipedia can't be the instigator of new (ie unpublished) ideas per WP:NOT#OR and more specifically WP:OR. -M.Nelson (talk) 01:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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March 2011

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Degrassi: The Next Generation, you may be blocked from editing. 117Avenue (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Removing insane amount of detail to a horribly written article counts as disruptive? You've got some serious problems.TurtleMelody (talk) 04:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

It is a featured article, just because you don't want to read an article that long, doesn't mean that you can remove information from it. It is not a horribly written article, it hasn't had major changes since it passed a feature article review in May 2010. 117Avenue (talk) 05:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There are numerous errors in grammar. The article itself looks like it was written by a gang of prepubescent Jolt Cola addicted fangirls. The intro could be much shorter. It needs to be concise and it isn't. It reads like fancruft so I'll be adding all the appropriate tags. But you're acting like I've messed up your article. It isn't yours and you should assume good faith. I think some of my edits were fine and you didn't even bother looking at any of them. This isn't your article. You might be a fan but this is a badly written article.TurtleMelody (talk) 05:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I did look at your edits, and none of them were improving grammar, you simply removed material. If you would like to discuss changes, please do so on the talk page. 117Avenue (talk) 07:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You're hard of seeing because I did improve grammar by reducing run-on sentences which were written by fangirl committee. Read what I edited again and get back to me. You're still not assuming good faith. Time to notify an administrator?TurtleMelody (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, you rang? Please take your concerns to the talk page. The templates do not appear necessary, and (based on one of your observations about tense) you should discuss your thoughts there first. Simply restoring them repeatedly may be considered disruptive. --Ckatz^chat_spy 10:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, TurtleMelody. You should read WP:What is a featured article?, and also WP:Lead. The lead summarises all the main parts of the article. Yes, it needs to be concise, and I think it is. It touches all the main points in a few sentences. One sentence for producers, one for creators, one for premise/storylines, one for country of origin, one for reviews, one for awards, one for ratings and viewing figures, one for broadcast details (dates, network), one for new media. If you look at the sections of the article, you'll see that each of those points has a corresponding section. The Lede does exactly what the guideline says it should do.

As for your edit summary comment about past characters being referred to in present tense, that is due to a couple of guidelines we have that say that we must refer to all fictional events and characters in present tense, because even though the film/episode/series may be over, the story/character continues to "be" on reruns, DVDs, etc. (see MOS:TV References to the show should be in the present tense since shows no longer airing still exist, including in the lead, WP:WAF By convention, these synopses should be written in the present tense, as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed and WP:TENSE Works of fiction are generally considered to "come alive" when read. They exist in a kind of perpetual present tense, regardless of when the fictional action is supposed to take place relative to "now." Thus, generally you should write about fiction using the present tense, not the past tense.) If you are unconvinced or unhappy with that, you should open discussion at the talk pages of one of those places rather than edit one article against current consensus, guidelines or practices.

Almost finally, besides 117Avenue, I'm probably the primary editor of the article. I successfully brought it through its GA and FA and a FA review. I should have you know that to the best of my knowledge, at no point in the last 2 years has any female made any substantial edits to the content of the article. Some may have done a few minor cleanups or reverts, but that's it. At the time I wrote the most substantial edits to the article I was not pre-pubescent; pre-pubescent Jolt Cola; addicted to Jolt Cola, prepubescent Jolt Cola, or Degrassi or any other substance; a girl or a fangirl. Unfortunately, because of the way you strung the sentence together I wasn't able to fathom exactly what you meant. Surely if you're going to complain about prose you should learn to use grammar correctly? "...written by a gang of prepubescent, Jolt Cola-addicted fangirls" perhaps? Anyway, I'm pretty sure that at no point in my life could any of those permutations be used to describe me (well, except for one, used by itself: "pre-pubescent" but that was a long time ago). Also, I have not been, and currently am not, in either a "fangirl committee" or a committee made up of fans of girls. I couldn't quite figure out what you meant by that, but I didn't really like either. You should be careful what you post to webpages: Libel. I am a 31-year-old male, married, with 1 child and another on the way. I'm university educated and have also been working full time since I left secondary school. I didn't even start watching Degrassi until 2007, quite some time after I'd completed the pre-pubescent period of my life. :)

While I don't claim the article is perfect (I don't think even the FA directors and reviewers will say that any FA is perfect), I don't see any major problems with it; having said that, I'm not a professional writer, so I'm open to the observations from others as to how to improve my writing. I don't edit Wikipedia as much as I used to any more, and I don't watchlist user talkpages so I'm unlikely to see any reply made here but if you would like to discuss the article, its prose, anything you think the article is lacking, or any improvements you think could be made, feel free to do so at Talk:Degrassi: The Next Generation, which I do watch. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  05:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

In addition, I am also a male with postsecondary degrees. Degrassi, a show targeted to the youth audience, isn't even a show a like. I have become the primary editor to most related pages because I am the only other responsible Wikipedian interested in Degrassi. 117Avenue (talk) 06:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Trellick Tower with this edit, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Seaphoto^Talk 08:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

These trivia entries have no place on Wikipedia. Read the guidelines for trivia and you will see that if the references have no direct effect on the subject then they can be removed. [1] I have removed them. Please do not disrupt valid edits in the future. TurtleMelody (talk) 15:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Shining

Believe it or not, about three cultural references to The Shining were rejected for every one that was included in the article, and great care was taken to source adequately what we had by WP rules! If there is a sourced statement by an artist that an ENTIRE music video is a commentary on the "meaning of the film", this absolutely passes WP's standards as established in WP:In popular culture, and is not as you put it a "passing reference", nor trivial. We also went to a lot of trouble to write in prose format, linking together similar or related examples with expository material, so the section would not seem disjointed, and not be a bulleted list. Some references there are less significant than others and may be subject to challenge, but your axing of virtually the entire section seems a huge case of overzealous overkill. One might surmise you have a negative view of music videos in general. The general idea was to give some sense of the enormous cultural impact this film has had.--WickerGuy (talk) 13:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

July 2011

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Flushing Meadows – Corona Park, you may be blocked from editing. Please read Wikipedia:Blanking sections violates many policies for more information. Fayerman (talk) 22:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, as you did in Rogers Centre, makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 00:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Balinese (cat), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. CliffC (talk) 03:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you have the authority to actually issue such warnings and I believe you're forgetting the first rule, assume good faith. Do you really think references to lousy CGI animal movies are relevant?TurtleMelody (talk) 05:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I and many other editors will generally treat an unexplained (no edit summary) deletion by an editor with several earlier warnings as vandalism without wasting time trying to mind-read to determine if there was some other intent. And yes, any Wikipedia editor, yourself included, has the authority to issue such warnings. Leaving edit summaries to explain the thinking behind your edits will help avoid them. --CliffC (talk) 11:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)