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'''Comment''': There is an article about the business at the redirect target. [[Fremantle Arts Centre]]. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 11:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
'''Comment''': There is an article about the business at the redirect target. [[Fremantle Arts Centre]]. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 11:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
**Which you just created as a content fork and I just reverted. Don't destabilise things further. The passive voice is great for not claiming responsibility ... '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 12:04, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per the [[WP:COMMONNAME|common name]] criterion and the fact that none of the criteria about the allegedly [[WP:OFFICIALNAME|official name]] are met. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 12:04, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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A citation about ghosts and its high ranking ghostly status from "haunted.com.au", needs a reality check —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.189.114 (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost Facts

The information on the Wiki page is unverified - citing only a bootleg ghost hunter's website as a source.

The centre has a social history of ghosts, that is, there are rumours circulating about ghosts of convicts from the building's historical uses, but there is no factual information available about ghosts on the site.

I don't think it should be featured on the page.

FremantleArtsCentre (talk) 04:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then get a source from a 'genuine ghost hunter', the fact is those rumours are around. cygnis insignis 10:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

++

Issues tag

  • It needs sources or references that appear in third-party publications. Tagged since January 2011.

done

  • Its quality may be compromised by peacock terms. Tagged since January 2011.

Fix whichever sentence troubles you, I don't see it.

  • It is written like an advertisement and needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view. Tagged since January 2011.

ditto

  • It may have been edited by a person who has a conflict of interest with the subject matter. Tagged since January 2011.

see above, they appear to be a new editor and their contribution was to remove fact with a citation. cygnis insignis 10:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Use by the US Navy during WWII

(Just thought I'd note this down here, for future reference; I've been looking for photos of the site in the '40s.) According to her oral history in Wharf Rats and Other Stories (ed. Karen Lang & Jan Newman), Elizabeth Grose's brother William Farmer was the foreman at 'Receiving Barracks, Navy 137' (as the US Navy then called it). — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 08:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Museum and Arts Centre, Fremantle

I don't think the building or the origanisation have ever been known as 'Museum and Arts Centre, Fremantle'. It was the museum, and now it's the arts centre; unifiying these names seems unusual. @Skyerise: Where did you find this new title? Sam Wilson 04:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's the official name on the official listing on the Heritage Council website. Skyerise (talk) 10:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The infobox and the bulk of the article are about the building and its history, not the current business that occupies the historical building. The little material on that business was both unsourced and promotional. "Fremont Arts Centre" is a business that is currently located in this historical building. It is NOT the WP:COMMONNAME of the building itself. Skyerise (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Reply to Skyerise:

incorrect

the same official page indicates very clearly the issue:

Location Details    
The place is currently known as Fremantle Arts Centre.  


also a close check of the usual Australian central point of information,

https://trove.nla.gov.au/search?keyword=fremantle%20arts%20centre

Trove has a much larger selection of usage of the name

compared to the usage offered on the Heritage Council inherit list which is found at https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=museum%20and%20arts%20centre%20fremantle

The problem is to argue that an official name of official listing is the necessary connection for a title, is a serious misunderstanding of how Western Australian heritage locations are listed in some torturous ways against common usages.

If there is any need for further explanation of the trap of bizarre pseudo official names, they can be provided. JarrahTree 11:58, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 September 2023

Museum and Arts Centre, FremantleFremantle Arts Centre – The article was moved to 'Musuem and Arts Centre, Fremantle', without any prior discussion or debate, when that change was reverted, as it was identified as a controversial move, the original mover changed it back, contrary to the provisions of WP:BOLDMOVE. As a result I am now initiating a WP:RMCM process. The reason for reverting the article title back to its original title is as per WP:COMMONNAME this is the name that the building is known by. The owners of the building, Fremantle City Council, have called this building and complex, the Fremantle Arts Centre for the last two decades.[1] All the signage on the building and directional signage to the building states 'Fremantle Arts Centre'. A google search indicates that it is the name that the building is most commonly known by. Also there has not been a museum in the building for the last two decades, since the Maritime Museum moved to the Fremantle West End. Dan arndt (talk) 04:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support, see my comments in previous section about official name(s) and the irrelevance of such items. Also in the Heritage listing, there is a specific statement as to what the location is known as. JarrahTree 04:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose, the article is about an historical building and the current title is the official name on the Heritage records. It is not about the business that currently occupies the building. That business already has one article at Fremantle Press. Clearly the notable business Fremantle Arts Centre should have an article, but it is not the same as the building and should be at the current redirect. Skyerise (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is an article about the business at the redirect target. Fremantle Arts Centre. Skyerise (talk) 11:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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