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Hello, Hurricane Clyde,

I saw you posted a warning notice on User talk:LemonJuiceIsSour, warning them that talk pages were not a forum. And that is correct. But then you went on to plaster their user talk page with messages. Even though they have only been editing for 3 weeks, you have posted to their User talk page 62 times which makes it look like you are treating Wikipedia like a forum and spending a lot of time chatting with other editors.

When I look at your editing stats, it appears that only 25.8 of your edits are to main space articles, most of your edits are to talk pages, user talk pages and Wikipedia pages. There is not a bright line on this subject, I myself post a lot of templates to user talk pages but you might try balancing out your discussion with other editors with time spent improving articles. It will be appreciated and makes a bigger contribution in the long run. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, you are right, I do indeed spend a lot of time in talk pages; in many cases trying to get advice on how to improve said article.

Also, some of that “talk page” editing that you’re seeing is actually an edit to a table on the U.S. hurricane lists talk page; we’ve been editing the table there because of its featured list status.

And as for LemonJuiceIsSour, I’m mainly trying to help them because the editor is very new and highly inexperienced; and to be fair, if it weren’t for me; they probably would have quit editing all together. And FYI, the forum comment, especially the level 2 warning: was based on a spell the night before when he went WAY off topic (much further than even I did) on his talk page and essentially treated it like a Roblox chat or something.

And something else @Liz; I’ve been heavily involved with a mass deletion campaign on the Commons, lead by Rlandmann, who has been systematically reviewing the copyright status of every single file coming from the National Weather Service; and deleting the ones with ambiguous or non-free copyright status. So I’ve been kinda busy participating in well over a hundred deletion discussions over the past three months or so. And at times focused more on Commons than here.

So to put it simply as to why only a quarter of my edits are to the main space; it’s because I’m very much the behind-the-scenes type of guy who is trying to get advice/consensus (from more experienced people) as to whether or not the edit that i want to make is necessary or appropriate. I know about WP:BOLD, but I’d rather try to seek out advice and get this accusation than to be warned and/or blocked for taking BOLD a little too far and recklessly/disruptively editing. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

And as for the project page part @Liz: I think there is an explanation for that too. Back in August, if you recall; I was quite involved at SPI due to some issues especially with Lokicat3345 (I’ve had some not so good experiences from both of them before SPI); and to a lesser extent Andrew5; and needless to say @Bbb23 did not mince words and openly criticized what I was doing (and rightfully so); and that put an end to my days at SPI until…

LemonJuiceIsSour (then known as HurricaneKirk2024) had the unfortunate distinction of being a suspect in not one; but two SPI investigations simultaneously; so I was there trying to defend him because I didn’t think he was a sockpuppet; he didn’t even know what a sockpuppet was I don’t think; he didn’t even know what an administrator was, I had to explain that to him in the SPI. So long story short; that and the above comment is the reason for the big discrepancy. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Another reason why there is a somewhat inflated @Liz: number of talk page entries from me is because if I think of something else I wanted to add; I usually append it below in a new comment (using the reply link/button) rather than editing the text manually because it’s easier for me to do.

And as I explained above; some of the stuff, I don’t know how to do on here. I have been editing for nearly a year (albeit as an IP for half of that); and I don’t know everything and I don’t claim to know everything; and in fact, a lot of that talk page stuff, is me either asking an experienced editor for help in doing things. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Tornado photographs

Hey Hurricane Clyde. So I know you are aware of the tornado-photo discussion over on the Commons (as I've seen you comment about it a few times). Although, I'm not sure how familiar you are with Wikipedia's non-free content guidelines.

When the commons had the discussion regarding the famous photograph used for the 2011 Joplin tornado article (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Joplin tornado photo.jpg), we figured out tornado photographs almost always can qualify under the NFC guidelines! Rlandmann, the administrator who is going through the NWS-photo review on the commons, agreed with the assessment near the bottom of that discussion.

So, with that in mind, I wanted to make a quick comment here on if you wanted to help out. I've been going through and trying to add a single photograph of tornadoes if and only if they have (1) a stand-alone article (like the 2011 Joplin tornado or 2021 Western Kentucky tornado - noting, both already have non-free tornado images on the articles) or (2) if they have a stand-alone section in an outbreak article (like the 2024 Prospect tornado or the 2024 Winchester tornado - noting, both already have non-free tornado images in their sections).

If you wanted to do random edits during your semi-Wikibreak (like myself), you can help look for a photograph of tornadoes with articles or sections and add them under the non-free content policy. If you decide to add any, make sure to add them to Category:Non-free pictures of tornadoes. If you need some templates to look off of, you can use the ones on File:Photograph of the 2011 Joplin tornado.jpeg for images from NWS webpages that are being deleted on the Commons or File:Photo of the 2024 Winchester tornado.png for images non being discussed on the Commons. If you would have any questions regarding how free or non-free a file is, you can always message myself or even Rlandmann, since we both seem to agree on the tornado non-free file content usage. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I am very much aware of WP:NFF; I have read it multiple times. And I really need to take down my Wikibreak template; because I have come off of that break and just forgot to take down the template. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the lead of an article

Hi, Hurricane Clyde! I noticed your comment regarding expressing your concern on how to write leads of articles.

So essentially, a lead of an article is basically a summary of the article. So if an article's topic is, for example, Hurricane Ida, we would probably have to include the most significant details of Ida's impacts and summarize into a short paragraph of Ida's meteorological history and its impacts on specific regions. That's how I write it; see my articles December 2017 North American winter storm and the recently-written lead with Sir MemeGod 1997 Jarrell tornado. Those summarize how the system/event formed, what impacts it brought, and the aftermath/records it set.

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section also says, "In Wikipedia, the lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents. It is located at the beginning of the article, before the table of contents and the first heading." This essentially is the summary of the entire article, as aforementioned above. Also, Wikipedia:Lead dos and don'ts is probably useful here: the main points that I would pull from there are providing context, identify the subject/event and why it is notable in the opening paragraph, and don't include significant information related to the article's event that is not covered later – in fact, that respective information should be covered later on and that could be used in the lead if necessary.

If you have any further questions or need additional help, feel free to ask! Also FWIW, if you'd like to collaborate on an article to work on to at least improve your understanding on writing articles, you're free to reach out to me. :) ~ Tails Wx 03:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

To be honest @Tails Wx; my concern is for any type of prose; but the lead up is probably the most difficult for me to write. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Given that, would you like any additional tips or comments on how to effectively write a good-quality article, including or excluding the lead? ~ Tails Wx 18:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

As of now; no. But that could change later. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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