diff --git a/documentation/docs/02-runes/04-$effect.md b/documentation/docs/02-runes/04-$effect.md
index 6a2b565aeaa2..75f59102f96b 100644
--- a/documentation/docs/02-runes/04-$effect.md
+++ b/documentation/docs/02-runes/04-$effect.md
@@ -74,6 +74,8 @@ Teardown functions also run when the effect is destroyed, which happens when its
 
 `$effect` automatically picks up any reactive values (`$state`, `$derived`, `$props`) that are _synchronously_ read inside its function body (including indirectly, via function calls) and registers them as dependencies. When those dependencies change, the `$effect` schedules a re-run.
 
+If `$state` and `$derived` are used directly inside the `$effect` (for example, during creation of a [reactive class](https://svelte.dev/docs/svelte/$state#Classes)), those values will _not_ be treated as dependencies.
+
 Values that are read _asynchronously_ — after an `await` or inside a `setTimeout`, for example — will not be tracked. Here, the canvas will be repainted when `color` changes, but not when `size` changes ([demo](/playground/untitled#H4sIAAAAAAAAE31T246bMBD9lZF3pWSlBEirfaEQqdo_2PatVIpjBrDkGGQPJGnEv1e2IZfVal-wfHzmzJyZ4cIqqdCy9M-F0blDlnqArZjmB3f72XWRHVCRw_bc4me4aDWhJstSlllhZEfbQhekkMDKfwg5PFvihMvX5OXH_CJa1Zrb0-Kpqr5jkiwC48rieuDWQbqgZ6wqFLRcvkC-hYvnkWi1dWqa8ESQTxFRjfQWsOXiWzmr0sSLhEJu3p1YsoJkNUcdZUnN9dagrBu6FVRQHAM10sJRKgUG16bXcGxQ44AGdt7SDkTDdY02iqLHnJVU6hedlWuIp94JW6Tf8oBt_8GdTxlF0b4n0C35ZLBzXb3mmYn3ae6cOW74zj0YVzDNYXRHFt9mprNgHfZSl6mzml8CMoLvTV6wTZIUDEJv5us2iwMtiJRyAKG4tXnhl8O0yhbML0Wm-B7VNlSSSd31BG7z8oIZZ6dgIffAVY_5xdU9Qrz1Bnx8fCfwtZ7v8Qc9j3nB8PqgmMWlHIID6-bkVaPZwDySfWtKNGtquxQ23Qlsq2QJT0KIqb8dL0up6xQ2eIBkAg_c1FI_YqW0neLnFCqFpwmreedJYT7XX8FVOBfwWRhXstZrSXiwKQjUhOZeMIleb5JZfHWn2Yq5pWEpmR7Hv-N_wEqT8hEEAAA=)):
 
 ```ts
diff --git a/documentation/docs/98-reference/.generated/client-errors.md b/documentation/docs/98-reference/.generated/client-errors.md
index 62d9c3302a3c..901c49822c00 100644
--- a/documentation/docs/98-reference/.generated/client-errors.md
+++ b/documentation/docs/98-reference/.generated/client-errors.md
@@ -128,26 +128,31 @@ Cannot set prototype of `$state` object
 Updating state inside a derived or a template expression is forbidden. If the value should not be reactive, declare it without `$state`
 ```
 
-This error is thrown in a situation like this:
+This error occurs when state is updated while evaluating a `$derived`. You might encounter it while trying to 'derive' two pieces of state in one go:
 
 ```svelte
 <script>
-    let count = $state(0);
-    let multiple = $derived.by(() => {
-        const result = count * 2;
-        if (result > 10) {
-            count = 0;
-        }
-        return result;
-    });
+	let count = $state(0);
+
+	let even = $state(true);
+
+	let odd = $derived.by(() => {
+		even = count % 2 === 0;
+		return !even;
+	});
 </script>
 
-<button onclick={() => count++}>{count} / {multiple}</button>
+<button onclick={() => count++}>{count}</button>
+
+<p>{count} is even: {even}</p>
+<p>{count} is odd: {odd}</p>
 ```
 
-Here, the `$derived` updates `count`, which is `$state` and therefore forbidden to do. It is forbidden because the reactive graph could become unstable as a result, leading to subtle bugs, like values being stale or effects firing in the wrong order. To prevent this, Svelte errors when detecting an update to a `$state` variable.
+This is forbidden because it introduces instability: if `<p>{count} is even: {even}</p>` is updated before `odd` is recalculated, `even` will be stale. In most cases the solution is to make everything derived:
+
+```js
+let even = $derived(count % 2 === 0);
+let odd = $derived(!even);
+```
 
-To fix this:
-- See if it's possible to refactor your `$derived` such that the update becomes unnecessary
-- Think about why you need to update `$state` inside a `$derived` in the first place. Maybe it's because you're using `bind:`, which leads you down a bad code path, and separating input and output path (by splitting it up to an attribute and an event, or by using [Function bindings](bind#Function-bindings)) makes it possible avoid the update
-- If it's unavoidable, you may need to use an [`$effect`]($effect) instead. This could include splitting parts of the `$derived` into an [`$effect`]($effect) which does the updates
+If side-effects are unavoidable, use [`$effect`]($effect) instead.
diff --git a/packages/svelte/CHANGELOG.md b/packages/svelte/CHANGELOG.md
index 8cb7efd4ef14..04ddfcadbd30 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/CHANGELOG.md
+++ b/packages/svelte/CHANGELOG.md
@@ -1,5 +1,13 @@
 # svelte
 
+## 5.24.1
+
+### Patch Changes
+
+- fix: use `get` in constructor for deriveds ([#15300](https://github.com/sveltejs/svelte/pull/15300))
+
+- fix: ensure toStore root effect is connected to correct parent effect ([#15574](https://github.com/sveltejs/svelte/pull/15574))
+
 ## 5.24.0
 
 ### Minor Changes
diff --git a/packages/svelte/messages/client-errors/errors.md b/packages/svelte/messages/client-errors/errors.md
index bc8ec3625605..572930843e78 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/messages/client-errors/errors.md
+++ b/packages/svelte/messages/client-errors/errors.md
@@ -84,26 +84,31 @@ See the [migration guide](/docs/svelte/v5-migration-guide#Components-are-no-long
 
 > Updating state inside a derived or a template expression is forbidden. If the value should not be reactive, declare it without `$state`
 
-This error is thrown in a situation like this:
+This error occurs when state is updated while evaluating a `$derived`. You might encounter it while trying to 'derive' two pieces of state in one go:
 
 ```svelte
 <script>
-    let count = $state(0);
-    let multiple = $derived.by(() => {
-        const result = count * 2;
-        if (result > 10) {
-            count = 0;
-        }
-        return result;
-    });
+	let count = $state(0);
+
+	let even = $state(true);
+
+	let odd = $derived.by(() => {
+		even = count % 2 === 0;
+		return !even;
+	});
 </script>
 
-<button onclick={() => count++}>{count} / {multiple}</button>
+<button onclick={() => count++}>{count}</button>
+
+<p>{count} is even: {even}</p>
+<p>{count} is odd: {odd}</p>
 ```
 
-Here, the `$derived` updates `count`, which is `$state` and therefore forbidden to do. It is forbidden because the reactive graph could become unstable as a result, leading to subtle bugs, like values being stale or effects firing in the wrong order. To prevent this, Svelte errors when detecting an update to a `$state` variable.
+This is forbidden because it introduces instability: if `<p>{count} is even: {even}</p>` is updated before `odd` is recalculated, `even` will be stale. In most cases the solution is to make everything derived:
+
+```js
+let even = $derived(count % 2 === 0);
+let odd = $derived(!even);
+```
 
-To fix this:
-- See if it's possible to refactor your `$derived` such that the update becomes unnecessary
-- Think about why you need to update `$state` inside a `$derived` in the first place. Maybe it's because you're using `bind:`, which leads you down a bad code path, and separating input and output path (by splitting it up to an attribute and an event, or by using [Function bindings](bind#Function-bindings)) makes it possible avoid the update
-- If it's unavoidable, you may need to use an [`$effect`]($effect) instead. This could include splitting parts of the `$derived` into an [`$effect`]($effect) which does the updates
+If side-effects are unavoidable, use [`$effect`]($effect) instead.
diff --git a/packages/svelte/package.json b/packages/svelte/package.json
index 0aa6b2984123..f321571e7abb 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/package.json
+++ b/packages/svelte/package.json
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
   "name": "svelte",
   "description": "Cybernetically enhanced web apps",
   "license": "MIT",
-  "version": "5.24.0",
+  "version": "5.24.1",
   "type": "module",
   "types": "./types/index.d.ts",
   "engines": {
diff --git a/packages/svelte/src/compiler/migrate/index.js b/packages/svelte/src/compiler/migrate/index.js
index 02bb5b144385..7f26d0d0103a 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/src/compiler/migrate/index.js
+++ b/packages/svelte/src/compiler/migrate/index.js
@@ -1673,9 +1673,9 @@ function extract_type_and_comment(declarator, state, path) {
 		const match = /@type {(.+)}/.exec(comment_node.value);
 		if (match) {
 			// try to find JSDoc comments after a hyphen `-`
-			const jsdocComment = /@type {.+} (?:\w+|\[.*?\]) - (.+)/.exec(comment_node.value);
-			if (jsdocComment) {
-				cleaned_comment += jsdocComment[1]?.trim();
+			const jsdoc_comment = /@type {.+} (?:\w+|\[.*?\]) - (.+)/.exec(comment_node.value);
+			if (jsdoc_comment) {
+				cleaned_comment += jsdoc_comment[1]?.trim();
 			}
 			return {
 				type: match[1],
diff --git a/packages/svelte/src/compiler/phases/3-transform/client/visitors/MemberExpression.js b/packages/svelte/src/compiler/phases/3-transform/client/visitors/MemberExpression.js
index 501ecda5557d..3f2aada1f575 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/src/compiler/phases/3-transform/client/visitors/MemberExpression.js
+++ b/packages/svelte/src/compiler/phases/3-transform/client/visitors/MemberExpression.js
@@ -11,7 +11,9 @@ export function MemberExpression(node, context) {
 	if (node.property.type === 'PrivateIdentifier') {
 		const field = context.state.private_state.get(node.property.name);
 		if (field) {
-			return context.state.in_constructor ? b.member(node, 'v') : b.call('$.get', node);
+			return context.state.in_constructor && (field.kind === 'raw_state' || field.kind === 'state')
+				? b.member(node, 'v')
+				: b.call('$.get', node);
 		}
 	}
 
diff --git a/packages/svelte/src/store/index-client.js b/packages/svelte/src/store/index-client.js
index ae6806ec763f..2f0a1a831a0c 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/src/store/index-client.js
+++ b/packages/svelte/src/store/index-client.js
@@ -6,6 +6,12 @@ import {
 } from '../internal/client/reactivity/effects.js';
 import { get, writable } from './shared/index.js';
 import { createSubscriber } from '../reactivity/create-subscriber.js';
+import {
+	active_effect,
+	active_reaction,
+	set_active_effect,
+	set_active_reaction
+} from '../internal/client/runtime.js';
 
 export { derived, get, readable, readonly, writable } from './shared/index.js';
 
@@ -39,19 +45,34 @@ export { derived, get, readable, readonly, writable } from './shared/index.js';
  * @returns {Writable<V> | Readable<V>}
  */
 export function toStore(get, set) {
-	let init_value = get();
+	var effect = active_effect;
+	var reaction = active_reaction;
+	var init_value = get();
+
 	const store = writable(init_value, (set) => {
 		// If the value has changed before we call subscribe, then
 		// we need to treat the value as already having run
-		let ran = init_value !== get();
+		var ran = init_value !== get();
 
 		// TODO do we need a different implementation on the server?
-		const teardown = effect_root(() => {
-			render_effect(() => {
-				const value = get();
-				if (ran) set(value);
+		var teardown;
+		// Apply the reaction and effect at the time of toStore being called
+		var previous_reaction = active_reaction;
+		var previous_effect = active_effect;
+		set_active_reaction(reaction);
+		set_active_effect(effect);
+
+		try {
+			teardown = effect_root(() => {
+				render_effect(() => {
+					const value = get();
+					if (ran) set(value);
+				});
 			});
-		});
+		} finally {
+			set_active_reaction(previous_reaction);
+			set_active_effect(previous_effect);
+		}
 
 		ran = true;
 
diff --git a/packages/svelte/src/version.js b/packages/svelte/src/version.js
index 7cd43e74cb7d..565c19071396 100644
--- a/packages/svelte/src/version.js
+++ b/packages/svelte/src/version.js
@@ -4,5 +4,5 @@
  * The current version, as set in package.json.
  * @type {string}
  */
-export const VERSION = '5.24.0';
+export const VERSION = '5.24.1';
 export const PUBLIC_VERSION = '5';
diff --git a/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/_config.js b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/_config.js
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..b364a989f480
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/_config.js
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+import { test } from '../../test';
+
+export default test({
+	html: `<p>state,derived state,derived.by derived state</p>`
+});
diff --git a/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/main.svelte b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/main.svelte
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..bc8efba7e7c2
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/deriveds-in-constructor/main.svelte
@@ -0,0 +1,18 @@
+<script>
+	class Foo {
+		#state = $state('state')
+		#derived = $derived('derived ' + this.#state);
+		#derivedBy = $derived.by(() => {
+			return 'derived.by ' + this.#derived 
+		});
+		
+		initial
+		
+		constructor() {
+			this.initial = [this.#state, this.#derived, this.#derivedBy]
+		}
+	}
+	const foo = new Foo()
+</script>
+
+<p>{foo.initial}</p>
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/_config.js b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/_config.js
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..bc1793e7a461
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/_config.js
@@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
+import { flushSync } from 'svelte';
+import { test } from '../../test';
+
+export default test({
+	async test({ assert, target }) {
+		let btn = target.querySelector('button');
+
+		btn?.click();
+		flushSync();
+
+		assert.htmlEqual(
+			target.innerHTML,
+			`<div>Count 1!</div><div>Count from store 1!</div><button>Add 1</button>`
+		);
+	}
+});
diff --git a/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/main.svelte b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/main.svelte
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..82d20105b8eb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/svelte/tests/runtime-runes/samples/toStore-subscribe2/main.svelte
@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+<script>
+	import { toStore } from "svelte/store";
+
+	let counter = $state(0);
+	const count = toStore(() => counter, value => counter = value);
+</script>
+
+<div>Count {counter}!</div>
+<div>Count from store {$count}!</div>
+
+<button onclick={() => counter+=1}>Add 1</button>

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