diff --git a/docs/cmd/index.md b/docs/cmd/index.md
index 4e495cb08..32fad657d 100644
--- a/docs/cmd/index.md
+++ b/docs/cmd/index.md
@@ -20,3 +20,58 @@ git
 hg
 svn
 ```
+
+## Controlling commands
+
+### Override `run()`
+
+You want to control `stdout`, `stderr`, terminal output, tee'ing or logging, introspect and modify
+the commands themselves. libvcs is designed to make this trivial to control.
+
+- Git -> `Git.<command>` -> `Git.run` -> `run`
+
+You override `Git.run` method, and all `Git` commands can be intercepted.
+
+```python
+
+class MyGit(Git):
+    def run(self, *args, **kwargs):
+        return ...
+```
+
+You can also pass-through using `super()`
+
+```python
+
+class MyGit(Git):
+    def run(self, *args, **kwargs):
+        return super().run(*args, **kwargs)
+```
+
+Two possibilities:
+
+1. Modify args / kwargs before running them
+2. Replace `run()` with a different subprocess runner
+
+### `LazySubprocessMixin`
+
+```python
+
+class MyGit(Git, LazySubprocessMixin):
+    def run(self, *args, **kwargs):
+        return ...
+```
+
+You can introspect it here.
+
+Instead of `git.run(...)` you'd do `git.run(...).run()`.
+
+Also, you can introspect and modify the output before execution
+
+```python
+>>> mycmd = git.run(...)
+>>> mycmd.flags
+...
+>>> mycmd.flags = '--help'
+>>> mycmd.run()
+```
diff --git a/libvcs/projects/git.py b/libvcs/projects/git.py
index 775ed3f86..edf843226 100644
--- a/libvcs/projects/git.py
+++ b/libvcs/projects/git.py
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@
 from typing import Dict, Literal, Optional, TypedDict, Union
 from urllib import parse as urlparse
 
+from libvcs.cmd.git import Git
 from libvcs.types import StrPath
 
 from .. import exc
@@ -313,24 +314,26 @@ def set_remotes(self, overwrite: bool = False):
 
     def obtain(self, *args, **kwargs):
         """Retrieve the repository, clone if doesn't exist."""
-        self.ensure_dir()
-
-        url = self.url
+        clone_kwargs = {}
 
-        cmd = ["clone", "--progress"]
         if self.git_shallow:
-            cmd.extend(["--depth", "1"])
+            clone_kwargs["depth"] = 1
         if self.tls_verify:
-            cmd.extend(["-c", "http.sslVerify=false"])
-        cmd.extend([url, self.dir])
+            clone_kwargs["c"] = "http.sslVerify=false"
 
         self.log.info("Cloning.")
-        self.run(cmd, log_in_real_time=True)
+
+        git = Git(dir=self.dir)
+
+        # Needs to log to std out, e.g. log_in_real_time
+        git.clone(url=self.url, progress=True, make_parents=True, **clone_kwargs)
 
         self.log.info("Initializing submodules.")
+
         self.run(["submodule", "init"], log_in_real_time=True)
-        cmd = ["submodule", "update", "--recursive", "--init"]
-        self.run(cmd, log_in_real_time=True)
+        self.run(
+            ["submodule", "update", "--recursive", "--init"], log_in_real_time=True
+        )
 
         self.set_remotes(overwrite=True)
 
diff --git a/tests/_internal/subprocess/test_SubprocessCommand.py b/tests/_internal/subprocess/test_SubprocessCommand.py
index 493f67efa..bf2a13483 100644
--- a/tests/_internal/subprocess/test_SubprocessCommand.py
+++ b/tests/_internal/subprocess/test_SubprocessCommand.py
@@ -1,6 +1,9 @@
 import pathlib
 import subprocess
+import sys
+import textwrap
 from typing import Any
+from unittest import mock
 
 import pytest
 
@@ -137,3 +140,161 @@ def test_run(tmp_path: pathlib.Path, args: list, kwargs: dict, run_kwargs: dict)
     response = cmd.run(**run_kwargs)
 
     assert response.returncode == 0
+
+
+@pytest.mark.parametrize(
+    "args,kwargs,run_kwargs",
+    [
+        [
+            ["ls"],
+            {},
+            {},
+        ],
+        [[["ls", "-l"]], {}, {}],
+        [[["ls", "-al"]], {}, {"stdout": subprocess.DEVNULL}],
+    ],
+    ids=idfn,
+)
+@mock.patch("subprocess.Popen")
+def test_Popen_mock(
+    mock_subprocess_popen,
+    tmp_path: pathlib.Path,
+    args: list,
+    kwargs: dict,
+    run_kwargs: dict,
+    capsys: pytest.LogCaptureFixture,
+):
+    process_mock = mock.Mock()
+    attrs = {"communicate.return_value": ("output", "error"), "returncode": 1}
+    process_mock.configure_mock(**attrs)
+    mock_subprocess_popen.return_value = process_mock
+    kwargs["cwd"] = tmp_path
+    cmd = SubprocessCommand(*args, **kwargs)
+    response = cmd.Popen(**run_kwargs)
+
+    assert response.returncode == 1
+
+
+@pytest.mark.parametrize(
+    "args,kwargs,run_kwargs",
+    [
+        [[["git", "pull", "--progress"]], {}, {}],
+    ],
+    ids=idfn,
+)
+@mock.patch("subprocess.Popen")
+def test_Popen_git_mock(
+    mock_subprocess_popen,
+    tmp_path: pathlib.Path,
+    args: list,
+    kwargs: dict,
+    run_kwargs: dict,
+    capsys: pytest.LogCaptureFixture,
+):
+    process_mock = mock.Mock()
+    attrs = {"communicate.return_value": ("output", "error"), "returncode": 1}
+    process_mock.configure_mock(**attrs)
+    mock_subprocess_popen.return_value = process_mock
+    kwargs["cwd"] = tmp_path
+    cmd = SubprocessCommand(*args, **kwargs)
+    response = cmd.Popen(**run_kwargs)
+
+    stdout, stderr = response.communicate()
+
+    assert response.returncode == 1
+    assert stdout == "output"
+    assert stderr == "error"
+
+
+CODE = (
+    textwrap.dedent(
+        r"""
+        import sys
+        import time
+        size = 10
+        for i in range(10):
+            time.sleep(.01)
+            sys.stderr.write(
+                '[' + "#" * i + "." * (size-i) +  ']' + f' {i}/{size}' + '\n'
+            )
+            sys.stderr.flush()
+"""
+    )
+    .strip("\n")
+    .lstrip()
+)
+
+
+def test_Popen_stderr(
+    tmp_path: pathlib.Path,
+    capsys: pytest.LogCaptureFixture,
+):
+    cmd = SubprocessCommand(
+        [
+            sys.executable,
+            "-c",
+            CODE,
+        ],
+        stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
+        stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
+        cwd=tmp_path,
+    )
+    response = cmd.Popen()
+    while response.poll() is None:
+        stdout, stderr = response.communicate()
+
+        assert stdout != "output"
+        assert stderr != "1"
+    assert response.returncode == 0
+
+
+def test_CaptureStderrMixin(
+    tmp_path: pathlib.Path,
+    capsys: pytest.LogCaptureFixture,
+):
+    cmd = SubprocessCommand(
+        [
+            sys.executable,
+            "-c",
+            CODE,
+        ],
+        stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
+        stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
+        cwd=tmp_path,
+    )
+    response = cmd.Popen()
+    while response.poll() is None:
+        if response.stderr is not None:
+            line = response.stderr.readline().decode("utf-8").strip()
+            if line:
+                assert line.startswith("[")
+    assert response.returncode == 0
+
+
+def test_CaptureStderrMixin_error(
+    tmp_path: pathlib.Path,
+    capsys: pytest.LogCaptureFixture,
+):
+    cmd = SubprocessCommand(
+        [
+            sys.executable,
+            "-c",
+            CODE
+            + textwrap.dedent(
+                """
+       sys.exit("FATAL")
+            """
+            ),
+        ],
+        stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
+        stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
+        cwd=tmp_path,
+    )
+    response = cmd.Popen()
+    while response.poll() is None:
+        if response.stderr is not None:
+            line = response.stderr.readline().decode("utf-8").strip()
+            if line:
+                assert line.startswith("[") or line == "FATAL"
+
+    assert response.returncode == 1
diff --git a/tests/cmd/test_git.py b/tests/cmd/test_git.py
index 5eb271399..c522b970c 100644
--- a/tests/cmd/test_git.py
+++ b/tests/cmd/test_git.py
@@ -3,6 +3,7 @@
 
 import pytest
 
+from libvcs._internal.subprocess import SubprocessCommand
 from libvcs.cmd import git
 
 
@@ -11,3 +12,20 @@ def test_run(dir_type: Callable, tmp_path: pathlib.Path):
     repo = git.Git(dir=dir_type(tmp_path))
 
     assert repo.dir == tmp_path
+
+
+@pytest.mark.parametrize("dir_type", [str, pathlib.Path])
+def test_run_deferred(dir_type: Callable, tmp_path: pathlib.Path):
+    class GitDeferred(git.Git):
+        def run(self, args, **kwargs):
+            return SubprocessCommand(["git", *args], **kwargs)
+
+    g = GitDeferred(dir=dir_type(tmp_path))
+    cmd = g.run(["help"])
+
+    assert g.dir == tmp_path
+    assert cmd.args == ["git", "help"]
+
+    assert cmd.run(capture_output=True, text=True).stdout.startswith(
+        "usage: git [--version] [--help] [-C <path>]"
+    )

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