There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Same great feeling again (Re: On Kundalini)

From: gulatiganesh

2a. On Vishnu Sahasranama Homam

From: suvarnatejas
2b. Re: On Vishnu Sahasranama Homam
From: harikishan1962

3a. Re: Balance of family responsibilities and Sadhana

From: naaraayana_iyer

4a. Re: Reason to Smile for Sanatan Dharma !!!

From: utpal pathak

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1a. Same great feeling again (Re: On Kundalini)
Posted by: "gulatiganesh" gulatiganesh@yahoo.com gulatiganesh
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:40 am ((PDT))

Dear Sir,

Thanks for the suggestions, will have some time for sadhna regularly,
may be not at the same time and place, daily.

Yours sincerely
Ganesh Gulati

--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>

wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> I am willing to do whatever Nature expects me to do for various
> people, but there is no need for people to call me a guru. I do not
> look at myself as a "guru". Only a limited cases where my guru told me
> I was the "guru" of some persons did I agree to the use of that word.
>
> Doing good sadhana only when there is no job and stoping it on getting
> a job is a typical thing. It will be a shame if the so-called
> prosperity takes one away from True spiritual prosperity. Try to find
some time for sadhana.
>
> > May request to know how to get the same great feeling again and
> > again with my busy office work schedule.
>
> You have to find a way to squeeze some time and do more sadhana. There
> is really no other way.
>
> If one digests that "great feeling" fully and makes it one's own, it
> can accompany one in whatever one does. Otherwise, it comes
> occasionally during meditation and then goes away. Until it becomes
> permanent and your own, there is no other way but to keep doing
sadhana.
>
> Consider homam.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gulatiganesh" <gulatiganesh@...>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 6:58 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] On Kundalini (Re: Re: Urdhwa-Retas)
>
>
> Dear Shri Narasimha Guru Ji,
>
> Sadar Namaskar,
>
> May request to call you my Guruji?
>
> GuruJi, The example quoted is very interesting. My age is about 40
> years and when at the age of 34 lost my job, meet my named guru Shri
> Gosain Ji first time who taught me about how to recit various mantra
given by him to me.
> After reciting Mantra for about few month or so regularly my feeling
> were also great as I used to experience full lightining light with my
> concentration remaining on the Mantra, although have full pleasures of
> those moments. After being empoyed once again, which was also the
> motive at that time to recite those mantra, I used to recite them
> randomly at home at same place say once in a week time and that great
> feeling is not coming. Now after busy in my service I do not find time
> to recit mantra given to me by my Guru Ji but whenever find time I do
> the recitation in my mind. Again the home responsibilities are there
as well.
>
> May request to know how to get the same great feeling again and again
> with my busy office work schedule.
>
> GuruJi, I am able and trying to learn more and more from your write up
> on this blog. Whenever find some time will also try to see all of your
> earlier writeup.
>
> Many many thanks
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Ganesh Gulati
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
wrote:
> >
> > Namaste,
> >
> > Whatever is one's path, Kundalini is not only awakened but goes to
> > Sahasrara when one is established in undifferentiated Self. Even if
> > one does not think in those terms, it still happens. It is incorrect
> > to say that one can realize the highest truths without Kundalini
> > awakened. A more accurate statement would be that one can realize
> > the highest truths without engaging in any specific practices geared
> > at awakening or raising Kundalini.
> >
> > Some people following the so-called "Kundalini yoga" or other
> > raja/hatha yoga paths specifically try to awaken Kundalini. However,
> > such practices are not at all needed for awakening Kundalini. People
> > belonging to various traditions and paths, not just limited to
> > Hinduism, can experience Kundalini awakening, without knowing
> > anything about the name or the symbolism. There are a lot of
> > misconceptions about Kundalini.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Kundalini is essentially the force of one's self-awareness. Awakened
> > and raised kundalini implies a more refined and higher self-
awareness.
> >
> > At the lowest level, we bind our selves to specific bodies and our
> > self-awareness is limited to a body, a name and other things
> > associated with the body and name. This experience of self as a body
> > corresponds to Kundalini sleeping at Mooladhara. At the highest
> > level, we are the undifferentiated Self, known as Brahman, that is
> > all-pervading. This 'experience' of self corresponds to Kundalini at
> > Sahasrara. As self-awareness goes from the former to the latter, it
> > may traverse through many stages in between. Correspondingly, many
> > experiences are possible.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Kundalini rises as high as it can when it awakens for the first
> > time, like a spring suppressed for a long time. However, it comes
> > down again and the process of rise from then onwards will be slower,
> > Kundalini will work its way up while the nadis are continuously
> > cleaned (i.e. undesirable conditioning of mind is cleaned). When
> > Kundalini rises high at the time of awakening, it may encounter
> > impurities in nadis and yet rise high through the impurities. This
> > may manifest physically as a powerful experience similar to heavy
> > electricity flowing in the back.
> >
> > There are thousands of nadis in the sookshma sareera. The exact path
> > taken by Kundalini as it rises for the first time is not fixed. It
> > may change from person to person, based on the impurities in various
> > nadis. The exact "experience" will vary depending on the path
> > traversed and the final point reached by self-awareness (kundalini),
> > before withdrawal.
> >
> > I actually know one person who had kundalini awakening, rise to
> > Sahasrara and samadhi for 7 days, all happening at the same time.
> > His nadis had already been purified. Once kundalini awakened, he
> > directly went into samadhi, stayed there for 7 days and came back as
a fully realized person.
> > But it is a much longer journey for most.
> >
> > Saying "this is what happens in a Kundalini awakening" is difficult.
> > The exact experience changes from person to person, depending on the
> > path traversed the final point reached by Kundalini. However, I can
> > say one thing
> > confidently: Once Kundalini truly awakens and rises, one will not
> > have any confusion about what happened. But, until kundalini
> > awakening occurs, one may confuse various other experiences (such as
> > some movement of vayu in various nadis) for kundalini movement and
> > wrongly think that kundalini is awakened.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Sensation like ants or worms crawling along the spine or in the head
> > are NOT due to kundalini awakening or rise. That can be due to a
> > little vaayu flowing in various nadis. This can be a premonitory
> > sign (but not a
> > guarantee) of kundalini awakening. Same thing can be said about the
> > sensation of tilting to one side (back or left or right) or the
> > sensation of having completely fallen back (even though one is
> > sitting normally in reality). There are several such premonitory
signs.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > As a reference, I can narrate the experience of ONE person. He was
> > meditating with a Veda mantra everyday. His guru had told him a few
> > months earlier that his time for Kundalini awakening had come.
> > However, he had absolutely no idea what kundalini was and was
> > totally uninformed about nadis, chakras and kundalini. He did not
> > engage in any specific raja/hatha yoga practices. All he did was to
> > sit with his back erect and eyes closed and meditate with a veda
> > mantra. In the weeks before kundalini awakening, he started
> > experiencing various premonitory signs. He guru told him not to be
> > distracted by them and to keep the focus on the mantra and try to
> > forget everything else. When mind starts dwelling on an experience,
> > it gets stuck there and cannot go higher.
> >
> > When he was meditating oneday, his mind was perfectly and intensely
> > focused on the mantra and other thoughts ceased momentarily.
> > Suddenly he became aware of his body. It felt like there was a
> > really tremendous explosion at the base of his spine. Then it felt
> > like a huge amount of electric current was going up his spine from
> > the base. Then it felt like he was not a body but a small point.
> > Then it felt like he was going up like a rocket at a tremendous
> > speed. Then it felt like there was a tremendously bright white light
> > and there was nothing else. It felt like he was not a small point in
> > that light, but he was the light itself. There was an undescribable
> > sense of peace and happiness. Suddenly, from nowhere, a thought came
> > "what is this?
> > What happened to my body? I have responsibilities still." Then he
> > became aware of himself as a body sitting in pooja room. When he
> > left pooja room and went out, he felt great love for everyone and
> > happiness. For example, a serial was coming on TV and characters in
> > the serial that he normally disliked for their shallow personalities
> > suddenly felt like real people and he had great love and compassion
> > for those TV serial characters (and other real people too). That
> > state of love and compassion lasted a while and then he was normal.
> >
> > This short experience was only the beginning of a journey. He
> > experienced many things later on. These experiences were different
> > from each other. As I said earlier, the experience varies based on
> > the path traversed and the point reached by the self-awareness
> > (kundalini). On various occasions, kundalini rose and he saw several
> > sights and several beings within and heard several sounds, including
> > veda mantras and beejaaksharas, again within.
> >
> > He realized the transientness of a lot that we cling on to and the
> > existence of something far higher and more permanent.
> >
> > All this slowly started to change his attitude. His senses turned
> > inwards and he critically started to analyze his own thoughts and
> > motives and worked on correcting his attitude. The impact of what
> > was happening around him, what others did and said started to make
> > lesser and lesser impact on him.
> > Luckily, he had a guru who put things in perspective and said that
> > kundalini awakening was just a beginning and the real work was
> > ahead. Depending on one's readiness, that real work can take many
> > many years or even lives.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Kundalini awakening is only a beginning. It is not an end. Even the
> > rise of kundalini to a chakra is not an end. In fact, a big
> > percentage of people with awakened kundalini end up getting stuck at
> > mooladhara itself. Very few make it to the next chakra or the one
> > after, but end up getting stuck there.
> > Very very few make it to higher chakras. And a very small minority
> > actually realise self.
> >
> > Complete overcoming of ego and sthita prajnataa described by Sri
> > Krishna in BhagavadGita is the only real end goal of sadhana,
> > whether you are into raja yoga or karma yoga or bhakti yoga or
> > jnaana yoga. Thinking of a mystical experience can only distract one
> > from this goal. I urge sadhakas, especially those who respect my
> > advice, to forget about kundalini and chakras and just keep doing
> > homam and japam (or whatever path they have chosen), keep purifying
> > themselves with sadhana, keep working on their attitude and thought
> > process and keep improving self-control. When (or as) mind becomes
> > purified and one overcomes ego, whatever needs to happen with
> > kundalini WILL happen automatically. Thinking of things in terms of
> > kundalini and mystical experiences is a big deterrent rather than a
> > boost, in one's spiritual sadhana. Instead of trying to manipulate
> > kundalini, try to manipulate the way your mind works and perfect
> > your self-control. Kundalini will automatically follow. One will do
> > well to remember these words.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Narasimha
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri
> > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>
> > To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:30 PM
> > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Urdhwa-Retas
> >
> >
> > Namaste,
> >
> > Relevant to this on going subject, i remember reading autobiography
> > of Shri Yogeshwarji (Prakah na Panthe) in which he had mentioned
> > that Kundalini Awakening is not mandatory for realization. A person
> > can realize highest truth without experience of Kundali awakening.
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> > Utpal
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "m540i98" <m540i98@> wrote:
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > Kundalini Awakening is more than this, it is not very easy to
> > > describe and do justice. It is no use to get bits and pieces.
> > >
> > > Please read some good books on it, there are quite a few good ones
> > > from Swami Muktananda his book "Chiti Leela". Swami ShivomTirth
> > > also wrote very good books that extensively cover this in a very
> > > special way.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Mitesh
> > >
> > > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Namaste
> > > > Â
> > > > When praana and apaana combine for the first time, it may feel
> > > > like an explosion within one  Is this "esplosion" what is known
> > > > as Kundalini Awakening?
> > > > Â
> > > > -Regards
> > > > Â Rajarshi
> > > >
> > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 7/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>
> > > > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Saturday, 7 March, 2009, 9:28 AM
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Namaste,
> > > > Â
> > > > Praana is the movement in consciousness that sustains the
lifeforce.
> > > > Apaana is the downward force. When one attains a perfect focus
> > > > on a mantra and distracting thoughts cease, praana moves
> > > > downward from lungs/stomach and apaana moves upward. After
> > > > praana and apaana combine, they can move upward at a rapid
> > > > speed.
> > > > Â
> > > > When praana and apaana combine for the first time, it may feel
> > > > like an explosion within one. As praana moves up, it will feel
> > > > like one is freed from the body and one does not exist. This is
> > > > similar to death, except that there is fear and confusion at
> > > > death and one may feel a kind of bliss when this happens during
> > > > meditation. However, if one's focus on mantra relaxes and one
> > > > become "aware of" the experience and starts analyzing it with
> > > > the rational mind, there is a chance of one becoming worried and
> > > > confused. So one should sustain the state where there is full
> > > > focus on mantra and no other distractions, for as long as
> > > > possible.
> > > > Â
> > > > These things happen automatically without thinking about them
> > > > and engaging in any specific practicies. In fact, thinking about
> > > > them, desiring them and doing specific practices may become an
> > > > obstacle and delay things. If you surrender to a deity and do a
> > > > mantra with a high level of focus, that is enough. Do NOT run
> > > > after any experience and think of an experience as an end
> > > > result. The focus should be mantra and mantra alone.
> > > > Â
> > > > Even when an experience occurs, I tell people to not be tied to
> > > > it and not think too much about it.
> > > > Â
> > > > Suchaka dream is a vision of something that is going to happen.
> > > > Â
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Narasimha
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> > > > rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
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> > > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > ---------
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: rajarshi nandy
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:17 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: On Remedial Measures Difference
(Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > >
> > > > Namaste
> > > > Â
> > > > One feels a strange coolness on the skin and on the eyes.
> > > > A few repititions of the mantra bring about a situation where
> > > > the deity possesses the sadhaka and the sadhaka's prana goes
> > > > upward very quickly( Urdhwa Retas), During all meditation the
> > > > sadhaka sees the feet or clothes or hands or face, etc of the
> > > > deity sitting beside him along with minute details of the room
> > > > (even though the sadhak's eyes are closed).
> > > > The sadhak typically becomes dreamless except for suchaka
dreams.
> > > > The whole day the sadhaka behaves like a love lorn person. How
> > > > can i again experience the Beloved.
> > > > Â
> > > > What exactly is urdhwa retas and the experineces of prana going
up?
> > > > How
> > > > does it really feel?
> > > > Â
> > > > What is suchaka dreams?
> > > > Â
> > > > -Regards
> > > > Â Rajarshi
> > > >
> > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
> > > > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 6:56 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Namaste,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, the thing to repeat should be:
> > > >
> > > > Om tatsavitur .... prachodayaat Om
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Narasimha
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> > > > rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom Free
> > > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free
> > > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri
> > > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > ---------
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:24 PM
> > > > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > > Namaste friends,
> > > > Â
> > > > This is what I recommend:
> > > > Â
> > > > Say "Om Bhur bhuvah suvah" once in the beginning. Then start
> > > > repeating the following:
> > > > Â
> > > > Om tatsavitur .... varenyam Om
> > > > Â
> > > > This is what should be repeated for one mala or two malas or, as
> > > > Manish said below, 10 malas.
> > > > Â
> > > > *Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *
> > > > Â
> > > > I know something about Manish. He has the rare ability to
> > > > transform normal people into instruments of the divine and
> > > > egoistic people into detached persons fulfilling their dharma
> > > > without ego. I know that there is some power in his words. The
> > > > following is a specific advice from him in vaikhari. Those who
> > > > are interested can try following it.
> > > > Â
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Narasimha
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> > > > rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom Free
> > > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free
> > > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri
> > > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > ---------
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Murahari Vadapalli
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:50 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference
(Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Namaste,
> > > > When reciting gayatri, should we start from "Om bhur bhuva swah
> > > > tat sa ....." or "Om tat sa vitur varendyam"
> > > > Please clarify.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks & Regards,
> > > > --Murahari
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
> > > > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re:
> > > > Resolving Points)
> > > > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sohamsa@yahoogroups .com,
> > > > vedic-astrology@ yahoogroups. com, JyotishGroup@ yahoogroups.
> > > > com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 6:54 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Namaste friends,
> > > > Â
> > > > My guru Dr Manish Pandit sent me a few comments on this thread.
> > > > I am forwarding his comments as they are.
> > > > Â
> > > > Sometimes, he can be difficult to understand and something he
> > > > says may become clear only after a few years. But it is my
> > > > experience that he does not waste words.
> > > > Â
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Narasimha
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> > > > rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom Free
> > > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free
> > > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri
> > > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
> > > > --------- Â
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Manish Pandit
> > > > To: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:09 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving
> > > > Points)
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Dear Narasimha,
> > > > Â
> > > > When the sadhaka effaces his own personality such that the deity
> > > > of the mantra comes and occupies him, then at that stage there
> > > > is no real difference between the sadhaka and the Deity(even if
> > > > the deity is with the sadhaka all day I would say that there is
> > > > no real difference).
> > > > The difference that one feels is as follows:
> > > > One feels a strange coolness on the skin and on the eyes.
> > > > A few repititions of the mantra bring about a situation where
> > > > the deity possesses the sadhaka and the sadhaka's prana goes
> > > > upward very quickly( Urdhwa Retas), During all meditation the
> > > > sadhaka sees the feet or clothes or hands or face, etc of the
> > > > deity sitting beside him along with minute details of the room
> > > > (even though the sadhak's eyes are closed).
> > > > The sadhak typically becomes dreamless except for suchaka
dreams.
> > > > The whole day the sadhaka behaves like a love lorn person. How
> > > > can i again experience the Beloved.
> > > > That then is the experience of mantra when it is done correctly.
> > > > When the sadhak's personality is effaced such that the deity's
> > > > personality sits there then the sadhak experiences himself as
> > > > that
> > > > Deity(Devata) .
> > > > There then arises no difference in the sadhak or the deity
> > > > commanding a certain thing to happen( be it what appears to be
> > > > good or be it that which appears to be bad) . The deity's
> > > > personality is crucial. Ugra devatas make the person care almost
> > > > for nothing himself, so self identification is minimised and the
> > > > person's spiritual evolution continues.
> > > > Remember, there is very little according to me which is black
magic.
> > > > It is all a use of Shakti. If your Shakti and deity is a higher
> > > > shakti such as Prachand Chandika, MahaKali, Tara, Chinnamasta,
> > > > then your power will be that of God himself( Provided you have
> > > > Vijnana). After the death of the body, such a sadhaka joins the
> > > > realm of the deity or if he was originally a Nath or a Muni goes
> > > > to a separate realm reserved for these beings.
> > > > Attacking such a sadhak brings the full bearing of karma onto
> > > > the heads of the attackers and some people may realise this to
> > > > their detriment( Patan comes from Jalandhar Nath burying the
> > > > city of Patan with his Shakti causing an earthquake). Some
> > > > people may even equate this with black magic. Here there is only
> > > > action and reaction.(Bit like you attack a normal person, and
> > > > you will get a result of this from that same Atma whom you
> > > > harmed maybe 5 to 10 lifetimes later. But if you attack somebody
> > > > who is identifying with the universe and has very few karmas
> > > > left, then the Universe itself attacks you, because your attack
> > > > is not on the sadhaka, but on his identification, ie God or the
universe).
> > > > If people persist in using the Shakti possesed by a small
> > > > Pisacha, Bhuta, then there is only a little Shakti which can be
> > > > used, moreover then their minds and intellects will not be free
> > > > of identification with the body and so their actions are those
> > > > which are generally termed as black magic. These people usually
> > > > join the same spirits which they have been using after death,
> > > > this is not an enjoyable experience.
> > > > Imagine if somebody is worshipping Chandika for a few lifetimes,
> > > > then even in this birth he or she is drawn to that deity and
> > > > such a sadhak may acheive after a few repitions of a
> > > > mantra(because of his previous effort).
> > > > On the other hand somebody doing this mantra only in this
> > > > lifetime may feel that the 64 things which bind every mantra are
> > > > crucial and may not acheive in this lifetime.
> > > > According to me the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so
> > > > let me suggest an easy sadhana.
> > > > If one is so inclined, then starting on some good day, do 1000
> > > > reititions of the Savitri(some call this the Gayatri, but the
> > > > real Gayatri is hidden) every day, main constraints Same time
> > > > every day.
> > > > Same place.
> > > > Same materials.
> > > > Same direction.
> > > > As little movement as one can.
> > > > Count on rudraksha or Tulsi as is your inclination.
> > > > Complete restraint on sex(from the mind and the body, not just
> > > > the body), reduce food intake, grow a beard.
> > > > Do not eat 2 hrs before you start, make sure your bowels are
> > > > empty before you start.
> > > > Continue this for 100 days and do this whole procedure 3 times.
> > > > See the difference in your personality before and after.
> > > > Long and short , what is important is that life may be short, so
> > > > do some sadhana, and persist with that sadhana for as long as is
> > > > physically possible.
> > > > I hope this clarifies some of the concepts which were being
discussed.
> > > > Â
> > > > Kind Love and Regards
> > > > manish
> > > > You may post this on the list as a clarification from me if you
> > > > feel that this is suitable.
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2a. On Vishnu Sahasranama Homam
Posted by: "suvarnatejas" suvarnatejas@yahoo.com suvarnatejas
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:06 pm ((PDT))

First of all, thanks to Shri Narasimha and Shri Utpal for responding to
my queries on how he manages to find time.
The details are very inspiring, I hope our intellects get turned the
right way similarly.

While we eagerly wait for a formal document on the potent Vishnu

Sahasranama Homa Prayoga manual from Shri Narasimha, I wonder why we
cannot do it based on the text itself. Namely, the Sahasranama already
has the Dhyana Sloka and other preliminaries which are by now very well
known to most of us. So isn't it a simple matter of using these, doing
the prana prathistha of Lord Narayana or Lord Krishna and then using
each verse for one offering to the fire?

There is also a detailed anga nyaasa procedure available here

http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/shivkuma/personal/music/vishnu-
sahasranamam-meanings.htm

if one wishes to do these.

Any comments?

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2b. Re: On Vishnu Sahasranama Homam
Posted by: "harikishan1962" harikishan1962@yahoo.com harikishan1962
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:01 pm ((PDT))

--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "suvarnatejas" <suvarnatejas@...>

wrote:
>
>
> First of all, thanks to Shri Narasimha and Shri Utpal for responding
> to my queries on how he manages to find time.
> The details are very inspiring, I hope our intellects get turned the
> right way similarly.
>
> While we eagerly wait for a formal document on the potent Vishnu
> Sahasranama Homa Prayoga manual from Shri Narasimha, I wonder why we
cannot do it based on the text itself. Namely, the Sahasranama already
has the Dhyana Sloka and other preliminaries which are by now very well
known to most of us. So isn't it a simple matter of using these, doing
the prana prathistha of Lord Narayana or Lord Krishna and then using
each verse for one offering to the fire?
>
> There is also a detailed anga nyaasa procedure available here
> http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/shivkuma/personal/music/vishnu-sahas
> ranamam-meanings.htm
>
> if one wishes to do these.
>
> Any comments?
> Namaskaram,
As you said prana prathistah of "Narayan" for Homa every day, i
didn't read anywhere, But i know that starting day of "Uttarayan"
that is the next day of Makara Sankranti, 13th or 14th of January of
every year, "The Narayana yagnam" is conducting by DR.Vedavyas, at
Rajahmundry, duddukuru venkateswara swamy temple past 45 years, i had
listened that many mircles happened, i too tried to attend the yagna,
but its not happened, But i am doing HOMA or YAGNA every day morning and
evening starts at 5AM and 5PM. That i feel my stomach is homa gund, and
reading vishnu shasranamas along with purva phittika and uttara phittika
for the time of 29mint 30 sec. say exact 30mint, and i go to Dhyana with
"Asthaksari mantra" as long as i concentrate, cause i can not move my
hands and lggs, and i am a bedridden, they are not in my control, only
i can move my hand fingers. All i do this on my bed only, i don't know
its correct or not? If any thing wrong in this please let me know.
In my search of learning of Astrology i found Guru Narasimha ji, and i
convinced his teachings of Astrology, And i request you to tell me about
"Vishnu sahasra nama prayoga HOMA"

Thanking YOU all.

Namaskaram Narasimha ji,

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3a. Re: Balance of family responsibilities and Sadhana
Posted by: "naaraayana_iyer" narayan.iyer@gmail.com naaraayana_iyer
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:14 pm ((PDT))

Namaste Friends,

I would like to remind everyone here that all through out the past 10
yrs or so, right from the start of Narasimha's involvement in
creating/coding JHora, to his conference participation, weekly teaching
in Boston, creating Homam manuals etc, its his wife and kids that have
made a lot of sacrifices!! Please give them some credit too!

Thanks Padmaja, Sriharini & Sriharish!

Thanks
-Narayan-

--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>

wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> I am a full-time engineer. I am working as a software manager at a
> semi-conductor company making SoC (System-on-Chip) solutions for the
> blu-ray/DVD market. Several blu-ray/DVD players containing software
> written by me and my group are being sold at "Best Buy" now. We
> sometimes work 12-15 hours a day and weekends too. For example, I was
at work this Sunday.
>
> However, it is difficult to compare one's life with another's, as each
> has different circumstances. For example, I have a wife who shares my
> interests and co-operates. I have people around me who carry some
> positive spiritual vibrations. Someone else may have different
situation.
>
> What I say is this: Do the best you can, based on your constraints,
> circumstances and life goals.
>
> However, I see that most people DO have some time but tend to spend it
> on not so useful activities. They spend time surfing internet, they
> spend time playing internet games, they spend time on a lot of emails,
> they spend time on TV, they spend time on activities like playing
> cards etc etc. If one really looks, one can always find some time.
>
> One person I know, another software engineer, was doing a
> Mahaganapathi homam everyday. Then he switched to Chandi homam
> everyday. This made his lifestyle tight. Now he is doing one Chandi
> homam in the morning and another Chandi homam in the evening,
> everyday. It is just a matter of prioritizing spiritual sadhana
> appropriately so that there is time for it. We can do thousands of
> things, but have time to do only a few things. We choose the few
> things we do based on our sense of priority. Until spiritual sadhana
becomes a priority for you, not much can be done about it..
>
> The thing with homam is that it is the most efficient method for those
> with limited time. Even an half hour homam done everyday will make a
> lot of difference over the long run.
>
> If one has absolutely no time for homam, japam etc, one can atleast do
> internal sadhana, i.e. redirect the thinking and attitude in various
> activities done throughout the day.
>
> Especially in big cities around the world where people are always
> running and filled with too much rajas and tamas do some serious
> sadhakas need to come up and do serious sadhana like daily homam.
>
> We waste a lot of emotional and intellectual energy dwelling on
> irrelevant things. We bask "He likes me..he praised me so much". We
> sulk "he was unfair in criticizing me". And so on. Lingering emotions
> in our interactions with others take up a lot of emotional and
> intellectual energy and we are left with no energy for doing important
> things. Try to free your mind from lingering emotions, conserve the
> emotional energy and see if it makes a difference.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri
> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "suvarnatejas" <suvarnatejas@...>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:06 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Balance of family responsibilities and Sadhana
>
>
> > Dear Shri Narasimha:
> >
> > Can you shed some light on you personally balanced your family life
> > and your spiritual endeavors?
> > How do you manage your professional
> > life (software engineering?), family responsibilities (children) etc
> > as well as find time for homam/meditation etc.
> > Are you still working full-time as an engineer?
> > I hope this is not a very personal question.
> >
> > A regular hectic life in any modern city (Boston or Bangalore) seems
> > to consume the physical energy of a person, and I find that there is
> > about an hour's worth of time for any prayer. Of course we can
> > continue to think about god and redirect our attitude through out
> > the day, but there still is only a limited time for focused work
> > like a homam or japam etc.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards.
>

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4a. Re: Reason to Smile for Sanatan Dharma !!!
Posted by: "utpal pathak" vedic_pathak@yahoo.com vedic_pathak
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:20 pm ((PDT))

Dear Rajgor bhai,

There is local dialog in Mumbai for our situation - "Abhi Homam shuru
karake jumma-jumma Char din huen hai"

Dear, when you or i or anybody else, does the homam consistently for say
a year or two and at the same time ciritically looking and correcting
thought/feeling/reaction all the way, we stand some chance of having
some recognizable transformation.

performing homam or any saadhana for few days and then becoming like
'brooding hen over china egg over our shortcomings and different
negative emotions will not do any good to us.

aankh bandh karake chup chap Homa karate raho. Homam ka anand lete raho.
saal bhar ke baad hisab karenge;)

Raju, contemplation is also needed. we may need to work on our attitude,

observe them, recognize the fault in our thinking and behavior and
struggle to rectify those. let us keep homam continuous at the same time
correction in our attitude also continuous and then we'll take a stock
of things after a year to see if there is some real progress or not.

by the way, please read following two messages which explains lot of
deeper meaning of stories of Chandi paath.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/530

Warm Regards,

Utpal

--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, rajesh rajgor

<rajesh_rajgor2003@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Utpal,
>
> I am not confused.. they way in which you have explained, anybody who
has keen interest to understand it.. would definitely understand it..
>
> i understood the shumbh(ego), vishumbh(attachment),
> raktabeeja(vasana), dhumralochan(Krodh).. but the problem is not to
get dominated in our life by all these..BADHU SAMJAAY CHHE PAN ENATHI
DUR JAVANA PRAYATNAMA NISHFAL THAVAAY CHHE..
>
> today when i was doing homam in the morning.. my state of mind was not
at all good.. and hence i have not got good feelings which i normally
use to get.. i donot know why? but as narsimhaji said.. even if homam
done with bad vasanas, bad atmoshphere also.. it will in turn help the
sadhakas only.. i am just sticking to it.. and you know utpal.. if the
feeligns after homam is not good.. this feeling will continue throughout
the day and will affect my mood and my efficiency too..i did homam in
the morning around 7 am.. now i am in my office and reading the mail and
repling this to you.. and my mood is still like this..This kind of
situations occurs frequently in my life.. one day i feel very good and
other day bad.. well this frequency had been reduced after doing homam..
but still it is there.. what should i do to come out of it?
>
> i know i am encroaching upon your valuable time.. but .. i am sure you
would help me..
>
> happy holi to you and all the members of this group..
>
> regards
>
> rajesh
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Reason to Smile for Sanatan Dharma !!!
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 4:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Raju,
>
> Few Ramblings as they say!
>
> Co-relation of Demons described in Durga Saptashati (Chandi Paath)
>
> Shumbha -> Ahamkaar (I ness - Ego)
> Nishumbha -> Aasakti (Attachment - Which hangs on Ego)
>
> Both are brothers who are inseparable. both are fond of each other so
much that they can not live without each other. I ness and Attachment
are the same.
>
> When Chandika attacks Shumbha he becomes unconscious. at that time
Nishumbha attacks her. It indicates that the final war for realisation
is with our Ahamkaar & Aasakti (I ness & Attachment -me, my, mine). it
may seem that Ahamkaar is dead but it can be a deception. it may have
been hiding (like Shumbha became unconsious for some time). Aasakti
(Nishumbha) is ready to attack even if I ness is temporarily sleeping.
>
> When mother completely destroys Nishumbha (Aasakti), Shumbha is
furious and even challenges the mother with the abuses such as Dushte,
Anyasa Balamaashrita. he is furious because he lost his brother which is
like a soul mate. Inseparable. once aasakti is finished, Ahamkaar
becomes weaker and then mother finally mounts concluding attack on the
demon Shumbha to finally liberate the soul.
>
> ***
> Raktabeeja -> Vaasanaas (Desires, mental conditioning)
>
> Raktabeeja is veru dangerous and powerful. He has a capacity to
multiply and multiply and feel the entire universe. Our desires are also
like that. they multiply in no time. they are never finshes even if we
satisfy them. they keep increasing and multiplying.
>
> The most powerful demon after Shumbha & Nishumbha is Raktabeeja. it is
so powerful that all the various forms of mothers (such as Indriyaani,
Naarasimhi, Vaaraahi, Maaheshwari, Brahmaani) attack him simultaneously
but still he is not finished. The multiplication ability of his, ceates
danger for the whole world and Devas becomes worried (like Good virutes
feel scared of danger from endless desires, like saintly people are
always at danger from onslaught of materialistic and wicked people).
>
> seeing that Devas are really worried, Chandika and Chaamunda both
attack him and destroy him. Chaamunda (Kali) actually sucks the blood of
the demon and destroys all the multiplied demons instantly to the point
that Raktabeeja becomes bloodless and then detroyed completely. Hence
Kaali has capacity to destroy all the vaasanaas and the beeja of
vaasanaas.
>
> ***
> Chanda and Munda are like Greed & Appeasement. they both fan the Ego
(Shumbha). they lure him to go for possesing everything in the world.
> They successfully trigger Ahamkaar and propell us to go for the wrong
things/desires/ possession.
> ***
> DhumraLochan -> Krodha (Anger/fury which is unmindful but very weak)
>
> Dhumralochan (Krodha) is aggressive but has feet of clay, that is why
Durga destroys Dhumralochan with just as 'Hunkaar' (just by a word
'Hum') and the chapter no.6 is over in few verses.
> ****
>
> confused! not your fault. i couldn't explain it properly :)
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Utpal
>
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, rajesh rajgor
<rajesh_rajgor2003@ ....> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Utpal,
> >
> >
> > I would be happy if you could explain and elaborate about armies of
shumbh and vishumbha.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > rajesh
> >
> > --- On Sat, 7/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...>
> > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Reason to Smile for Sanatan Dharma !!!
> > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, 7 March, 2009, 12:41 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mitesh,
> >
> >
> >
> > These are good informations which gives us lot of hopes for future
of Dharma in general and Sanatan Dharma in perticular.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let us also join in doing Sadhana as per our best of capabilities
and try to reduce our Ahamkaar by each passing month. let us get over
our little minds and start hearing call of Big mind, which will help us
individually & collectively, to overcome negativity such as unnecessary
fights of words, pride of everything, anger, selfishness, haughtyness,
endless desires, greedy ness and all the other armies of Shumbh and
Nishumbha.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Utpal
> >
> >
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Utpal
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "m540i98" <m540i98@ > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Namaste
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Good information,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > May I add one more place, that is located in Rajkot Gujarat,
> >
> > > Ranchod Vadi, the Ranchoddasji Maharaj's ashram.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > They are also doing 24 by 7 uninterrupted ram dhun for many many
years... I do not remember the exact years but I may not be surprised if
it is also 25 plus years.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > When visit India, I visit this place and do raamdhun for few
minutes.
> >
> > > People in staying in rajkot are lucy, they can swing by the place
all the time at their convinience.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Best Regards
> >
> > > Mitesh
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "utpal pathak"
<vedic_pathak@ > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > BandhuO,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Yesterday, one elderly person informed one Highly inspiring
information:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > There is one temple in Jamanagar (Probably main deirty is Shri
> > > > Rama) in which
> >
> > > > 'RamaDhun' is contineously going on for more than 20 years and
> > > > 24 hours without
> >
> > > > break.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > That is really something !
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > really a reason to smile when we hear such thing. People of
> > > > Sanatan Dharma are
> >
> > > > really going for Jehad -not a fake one but real Jehad which
> > > > detroys enemies
> >
> > > > within.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > "Shri Ramachandra krupalu bhaju man Haran bhav bhay daarunam l
> >
> > > > Nav kanj lochan kanj mukh kar kanj pad kanjaarunam ll"
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > jay shri rama
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > utpal
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> >
> >
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