Product Comparison –385C vs ZX850H

Introduction
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The 385C is the successor of the 385B. The 385C meets the The ZX850H is a heavy-duty version of the ZX800. The
EPA Tier III Emission Regulations as standard. The engine ZX800/ZX850H are the successor of the
horsepower and hydraulic performance are the same as the EX750-5/EX800H-5 and were introduced in Japan on Sept.
385B. '01 with replacing the engine and increasing the engine HP.

Photo C-01: 385C Overview (CDSCF1536) Photo Z-01: ZX850H Overview (ZDSCF0599)

Product Comparison Section - Machine Configurations

Make Caterpillar HITACHI

Model 385C ZX850

Metric Metric English
Heading Unit English Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value
Boom 8.4 m 27 7 ft in 8.25 m 27 1 ft in
Stick 3.7 m 12 2 ft in 3.6 m 11 10 ft in
Bucket Capacity 3.5 m3 4.58 yd3 3.4 m3 4.45 yd3
Bucket Tip Radius 2150 mm 2883 in 2190 mm 2937 in
Bucket Width 1970 mm 2642 in 1725 mm 2313 in
Service Hours 12.3 hours 1155 hours
Undercarriage (Standard/Long) STD STD
Shoe Width 650 mm 872 in 650 mm 872 in

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 Performance
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Engine Horsepower
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The Cat C18 engine incorporates CAT ACERT • Isuzu BB-6WG1T engine on the ZX850H uses
Technologies to meet the EPA Tier III Emission Regulations. traditional fuel injection system and does not have the
• The C18 engine features higher engine horsepower by capability to meet EPA Tier III Emission Regulations.
13% and larger displacement by 13% than the BB-6WG1T • The ZX850H provides dual HP setting. The 338kw that
on the ZX850H. is advertised with the Specalog is the engine HP with high
power setting. The engine can temporarily shifts to the high
power setting only when the H/P mode is selected, and
boom-up or stick-in is operated with high load condition.
• The displacement of the BB-6WG1T engine is 15.68liter
that is smaller by 13% than the C18 engine.

Photo C-02: C18 Engine (385C CDSCF1929) Photo Z-02: BB-6WG1T Engine (ZDSCF1246)

Make Caterpillar HITACHI

Model 385C ZX850

Metric English Metric English
Heading Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value Value
Engine Model CAT C18 Isuzu BB-6WG1T
Type 4 cycle 6 cylinder DITA 4 cycle 6 cylinder direct injection with aftercooled turbochag
Displacement 18.1 liter 1104.53 in3 15.681 liter 956.913 in3
Rated Speed(rpm) 1800 1800
Rated Power (Rated Output) 390 kW 523 HP 338 kW 453 HP
Max. Torque 254.25 kg-m 1839 ft-lb 190 kg-m 1374 ft-lb
Emission Regulations
(Tier-Stage) EPA Tier III EPA Tier II

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 Hydraulic System
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The 3-pump system is used on the 385C. This system • The pump arrangement of the ZX850H is the 2-pump
features excellent simultaneous operation with swing and system that is the same arrangement as for the medium size
implement/travel because the swing circuit including the class excavators.
swing pump is completely independent of main pumps for • The ZX850H uses the pilot operated Open-Center
the implement and travel. hydraulic system that is used to medium size class
• The 385C uses electrically controlled PPPC valve excavators.
system to improve controllability.

Photo Z-03: Pilot operated Open Center Hydraulic System

Photo C-03: Electrically controlled PPPC Valve System (ZDSCF0020)
(prepro 385c_0255)

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 Hydraulic Pump Flow
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The main pump discharge flow except the swing pump • Because the ZX850H does not provide the swing pump,
is the 980liter/min which is similar than the ZX850H. the total amount of hydraulic oil flow is 1004liter, which is
However, the total amount of the flow including the swing 42% less flow than the 385C.
pump is 1430liter/min, which is 42% more flow than the • The system pressure is 31.9MPa which is lower than the
ZX850H. 385C. The system pressure can be increased by activating
• The 385C uses higher system pressure than the the One-Touch Pressure Up system. Even if activating this
ZX850H. In addition, the Heavy-Lift mode, which increases function, the system pressure is 34.4MPa, which is still
system pressure to 35MPa when activated, is provided to the lower than 35MPa.
385C to increase lifting capacity.

Photo C-04: Hydraulic Pumps (385C CDSCF1878) Photo Z-04: Hydraulic Pumps (ZDSCF0657)

Product Comparison Section - Hydraulic Pump Flow

Main Pump

Make Caterpillar HITACHI

Model ZX850
Metric Metric English English Metric Metric English English
Heading
Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit
Model Variable Displacement Piston Variable Displacement Piston
Number of Pumps 2 2
Max. Pressure 32000 kPa 4641.28 psi 31900 kPa 4626.78 psi
Max. flow per One Pump 475 L/min 125.48 gal/min 502 L/min 132.61 gal/min

Swing Pump
Make Caterpillar
Model Variable Displacement Piston Not Available
Metric Metric English English Metric Metric English English
Heading
Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit
Model Variable Displacement Piston
Number of Pumps 1
Max. Pressure 28700 kPa 4162.65 psi kPa 0.00 psi
Max. flow per One Pump 460 L/min 121.52 gal/min L/min 0.00 gal/min

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 Front Implement Speed
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Cooling Capability
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The variable speed cooling fan driven by the hydraulic • Fan speed depends on engine speed because the fan is
motor is adapted to the 385C to improve cooling efficiency directly connected to the engine via the fan belt.
and reduce noise. • The radiator, oil cooler and the after cooler are arranged
• The OCS (Oil Cooler Separate) type cooling unit is used in series. This type of the cooling unit is unfavorable in
to the 385C. This layout features better cooling efficiency accessing the cooling core.
and better clean-ability of the cooling unit.

Photo C-05: OCS Type Cooling Unit (Pripro 385c_0212)

Photo Z-05: Tandem layout Cooling Unit (ZDSCF1437)

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 Boom Cylinder Position
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The rod end of the boom cylinder is positioned to the boom The rod end of the boom cylinder is positioned to the boom
side. side.

Photo C-06: 385C Boom Cylinder (385C CDSCF1645) Photo Z-06: ZX850H Boom Cylinder (ZDSCF1323)

Styling
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Photo C-09: Front View (385C CDSCF1536) Photo Z-09: Front View (ZDSCF0599)

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Photo C-10: Right View (385C CDSCF1529) Photo Z-10: Right View (ZDSCF0607)

Photo C-11: Rear View (385C CDSCF1527) Photo Z-11: Rear View (ZDSCF0605)

Photo C-12: Left View (385C CSDCF1539) Photo Z-12: Left View (ZDSCF0601)

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 Appearance
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The cab which is newly designed for future models is • The cab is newly designed for “ZAXIS” Series.
adopted. • New log of the “ZAXIS” is marked to the vehicle.
• Large “CAT” logo is placed on the counterweight
NOTE: Original color of the ZX series is orange. This is the
ZX850H with customer color.

Photo C-13: New Cab for next generation excavators (385C Photo Z-13: Newly designed Cab (ZDSCF1165)
CDSCF1554)

Photo Z-14: Logo for Zaxis Series (ZDSCF0650)

Photo C-14: Cat Logo on the Counterweight (385C
CDSCF1618) NOTE: The LC version is not provided to the ZX850H. This
is the model identifier designed by Customer.

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 Versatility
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Vehicle Configurations
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Various configurations are provided to the 385C to meet the • The ZX800/ZX850H provides three booms and five
wide variety of the applications with highest efficiency. sticks. The 8.25m boom cannot use with the ZX850H.
Instead of the 8.25m boom, the 8.2m boom is provided
Vehicle: Backhoe(385C), Front Shovel(385CFS) for the ZX850H.
U/C: STD, LC • Only one undercarriage, which is the same overall
Boom: Reach(10m), GP(8.4m), Mass(7.25m) length as the 385C LC undercarriage, is provided to the
Stick: R5.5, R4.4, GP3.7, GP3.4, GP2.92, M3.4, M2.92 ZX800/ZX850H.
C/W: 11.6ton, 14ton
Vehicle: Backhoe, Front Shovel
U/C: STD
Boom: 10m, 8.25m/8.2m, 7.1m
Stick: 9.5m, 5.4m, 4.4m, 3.6m, 2.95m
C/W: 12.5ton

Photo C-15: Front Linkage (385C CDSCF1545)

Photo Z-15: Front Linkage (ZDSCF0612)

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 Stackable Valves
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The stackable valve function which is provided to the Mid The ZX850H also does not provide the stackable valve
series excavators is not provided to the 385C. However, one function, but provide standard auxiliary valve.
auxiliary valve is standard for the 385C.

Photo C-16: Main Control Valve (Prepro 385c_0256)

Photo Z-16: Main Control Valve (ZDSCF0020)

Tool Control System

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The tool control system is not provided to the 385C. The ZX850H also does not provide the tool control system.

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 Auxiliary Hydraulics
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Full range of the versatility is provided to the booms and The booms and sticks do not have the provision of installing
stick as standard. All booms and sticks have the provision of hydraulic liens as standard. If the hammer line is required,
installing high pressure lines, medium pressure lines, drain the specific front linkage which has the capability to
lines and coupler lines. Because the bosses to install various installing the hammer lines, is needed. Or welding the bosses
lines are provided in advance, field installation can be to the front linkage in the field is required. The front linkage
accomplished with less down-time and at low cost. which has the capability to installing more complex lines is
not provided even as an attachment.

Photo C-17: Bosses to install Auxiliary Lines (385C Photo Z-17: Bosses to install Auxiliary Lines provided by
CDSCF1660) customer (ZXSCF1326)

Auxiliary Pump
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The 385C has the capability to installing the auxiliary pump It is unclear if the auxiliary pump can be installed.
as standard.

Photo C18: Capability to install Auxiliary Pump (CD

CDSF3171) Photo Z18: Main pumps (ZDSCF0659)

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 Cab Layout
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The switches and selectors which are frequently used are • The switches are located to the right console, left console
centralized to the right of the operator. The operator can and on the monitor panel. The operator needs to stoop to
easily access to the switches and selectors without access the switches on the monitor panel.
stooping. • In addition, some switches, cigar lighter and the spaces for
• Wider clearance between the seat and the footrest present the attachment switches are situated behind the operator.
the comfortable foot space to the operator. But, this position is hard to access while operating the
• Narrower monitor prevents the interference with the knee. machine.

Photo C-19: Right side Switches Panel (prepro 385c_0382)

Photo Z-19: Switches on Right Console (ZDSCF1083

Photo Z-20: Switches on Left Console (ZDSCF1079)

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 Photo Z-21: Switches on Monitor (ZDSCF1094)

Photo Z-21-1: Switches and Cigar lighter behind operator

(ZDSCF1103)

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 Monitor
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The monitor enclosure is compact so that it does not • The monitor cannot adjust its angle because the tilt
obstruct front visibility. However, wide area of the monitor mechanism is not provided.
screen presents excellent visibility to the operator. • Because the monitor on the ZX850H is an analog type,
• The monitor can be adjusted so that the monitor screen the capability which can inform to the operator is limited.
faces to the operator by tilting the monitor. The tilt • Two analog gauges, a coolant temperature and a fuel
mechanism can also be used to prevent the reflection of the level, are provided, but nodes not provide the hydraulic oil
unnecessary light. temperature gauge.
• The keypad is equipped with a cover and also the • The work mode selector switch is on the monitor. The
display screen is simple, which helps prevent the operator operator needs to stoop to operate this selector.
from misleading.

Photo C-22: Monitor Overview (385C CDSCF1734) Photo Z-22: Monitor Overview (ZDSCF1094)

Photo C-23: Monitor Tilting Mechanism (385C Photo Z-23: No tilting mechanism (ZDSCF1209)
CDSCF1771)

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 Monitor Display
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The monitor screen is a full graphic dot matrix display • The dimensions of the display screen is 90mm in width
screen and has larger display area with 70mm in width and 180mm in length which is larger than the 385C
and 125mm in length. monitor. But more than half of the monitor screen is
• The screen is easy to see due to high contrast and occupied with the reserved space for icons and
simple screen because the background is black. switches.
• Also, because switch status indicators are incorporated
into the monitor, the display screen is complex.

Photo C-24: Display Screen (385C CDSCF2050)

Photo Z-24: Display Screen (ZDSCF1095)

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 Monitor Language Display
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The monitor has a capability to show the information • Because the monitor on the ZX850H does not have the
with the language. One of 27 languages can be selected capability to display the language, warning information
through the monitor functions. is displayed only by icons. But, the icons which are not
• Warning information is shown with both of the icon and familiar for the operator have risk of misunderstanding.
the language. This helps the operator intuitive understanding
and to preventing misunderstanding.

Photo C-25: Language display capability (320D PICT0086) Photo Z-25: Warning information by Icon (ZDSCF1097)

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 Information Display
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• With the default screen, the display is very simple • The default screen is complex because the switches
because the machine status is only displayed on the screen. status is displayed on the screen in addition to the
• When abnormality is occurred, the warning information machine status.
window is displayed on the default screen. If the • When abnormality is occurred, the icon and alarm will
abnormality is urgent, the master lamp will be blinked and be turned “ON”. But, the master lamp is not provided.
alarm will be also activated, so that the operator can notice It has the possibility to miss alarm sound in a noisy
the urgency immediately. environment.
• Clock function is not incorporated into the monitor.

Photo C-26: Default Screen (385C CDSCF2050) Photo Z-26: Default Screen (ZDSCF1095)

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 Work Mode
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Because of following reasons, the work mode is not Work mode is provided to the ZX850H. Because the work
necessary to the 385C. mode selector switch is incorporated into the monitor, the
operator needs to stoop for selecting the work mode.
The boom mode, auto-lube and travel/swing alarm function
The 3-pump system adapted to the 385C provides are provided to the ZX850H. But, selection of these functions
independent swing circuit from the implement. The discharge are hard while operating the machine because selectors for
flow from the swing pump depends on swing lever stroke. these functions are situated in back of the seat.
This means that the swing priority is varied by the swing
lever stroke. And this is the same function as the automatic
priority function which is adapted to the Mid size class
excavators.

Photo Z-27: Work Mode Selector Switch (ZDSCF1098)

Photo C-27: 3 pump System on 385C (385C CDSCF1884)

Photo Z-27-1: Boom Mode switch behind the operator

(ZDSCF1103)

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 Controls
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Joystick
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The 385C uses the electrically operated joysticks. • The joystick is the pilot operated type.
• Because the height adjustment mechanism and a tilt • The armrest provides the tilt mechanism, but does not
mechanism are provided to the armrest, the operator can provide the height adjustment mechanism, which can
adjust the relative relationship between the joysticks and the cause uncomfortable posture. In addition, the armrest is
armrest so that the operator can operate the joysticks in a installed to the backrest of the seat. Changing the
comfortable posture. reclining angle of the seatback changes the relative
relationship between the joysticks and the armrest.

Photo C-28: Electrical Joystick with Height Adjustable Photo Z-28: Pilot Operated Joystick (ZDSCF1149)
Armrest (385C CDSCF1816)

Photo Z-29: Armrest (ZDSCF1154)

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 Cab Accessories
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative
Cigar Lighter

The operator can access the cigar lighter easily even while The cigar lighter is arranged in back of the seat. The operator
operating the machine because it is situated in front of the must turn backward for access to the cigar lighter.
operator.

Photo C-30-1: Cigar Lighter (385C CDSCF1777) Photo Z-30-1: Cigar Lighter Socket (ZDSCF1109)

Accumulated Hour Meter Accumulated Hour Meter

The accumulated hour meter is located under the monitor, Accumulated hour is indicated only on the monitor.
allowing for confirming it from outside of the cab. In Confirming the accumulated hours is required to turn the
addition, the accumulated hour meter can be displayed on the power on.
monitor.

Photo Z-31: Accumulated Hour Meter displayed on the

Photo C-31: Accumulated Hour Meter (385C CDSCF1742) Monitor (ZDSCF1124)

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 Convenient Accessories
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Skylight
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The wider skylight of 780mm in width and 445mm in • The dimensions of the skylight are 780mm in width and
length is provided to the 385C. 530mm in length.
• Because the head guard is installed on the cab, the fixed • The skylight is fixed type with the retractable sunshade.
type skylight is provided to this vehicle. • The wiper is provided to the skylight. However,
• The retractable sunshade provided to the 385C can sweeping the skylight by the wiper has the opposite
cover not only the skylight, but also upper-half of the front effect because the grease for lubricating the boom is
windshield. dripped on the skylight.

Photo C-32: Fixed type Skylight with Sunshade (385C Photo z-32: Fixed type Skylight with Wiper (ZDSCF1199)
CDSCF1578)

Photo Z-32-1: Retractable Sunshade (ZDSCF1200)

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 Visibility
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative
Upper Visibility Upper Visibility

• Because there is not the upper-front pillar, the cab The upper-front visibility is obstructed because there is a
provides excellent upper-front visibility with no upper-front pillar to the cab.
obstacle.

Photo C-33: Upper Visibility (385C CDSCF1576) Photo Z-33: Upper Visibility (ZDSCF1199)

Wiper Sweep Area Wiper Sweep Area

• Longest wiper blade, which is moved parallelogram, is • The wiper blade of the upper wiper is 6000mm in
provided to the 385C. length, and sweep area is 0.501m3 or only 42% of the front
• The width of the wiper is 1220mm, and sweep area is windshield can be swept by the upper wiper.
0.83m3 or this wider wiper can sweep 79% of the front • The lower wiper is not provided to the ZX850H.
windshield.
• Therefore, the lower wiper does not require to the 385C.

Photo C-34: Parallelogram moved Wiper (385C Photo Z-34: Single wiper (ZDSCF1171)
CDSCF1559)

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 Front Windshield
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The front windshield is made by the Laminated Glass • The upper front windshield is made by the laminated
that prevents the scattering of pieces when the glass is glass and the lower front windshield is made by
broken. tempered glass.
• The One-Piece front windshield of 805mm in width and • The dimensions of the upper and lower windshields are
1440mm in height is used to improve front visibility with no 800mm(Width) x 1140mm(Height) and 800mm(Width)
center pillar. x 360mm(Height), respectively. The total windshield
area is almost equal with the 385C, but the center pillar
which is 20mm in width obstructs front visibility..

Photo C-35: Front windshield (385C CDSCF1567) Photo Z-35: Front Windshield (ZDSCF1170)

Right Side Window

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The right side window is the one-piece type and is made by The right side is made of two-pieces of tempered glass. The
the tempered glass pillar obstructs right side visibility.

Photo C-36: Right Side Window (385C CDSCF1575)

Photo Z-36: Right Side Window (ZDSCF1194)

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 Left Side Window
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The left side window is the fixed type and is installed on the The left side window is the fixed type and is installed on the
cab with adhesive. cab with adhesive.

Photo C-37: Fixed type Left Rear Window (385C Photo Z-37: Fixed type Left Rear Window (ZDSCF1205)
CDSCF1572)

Rear Window
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The hammer for emergency exit is provided to the rear The hammer for emergency exit is provided to the rear
window. window.

Photo C-38: Hammer for Emergency Exit (385C Photo Z-38: Hammer for Emergency Exit (ZDSCF1111
CDSCF1586)

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 Door
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The door is mounted to the cab shell with two door • The door is mounted to the cab shell with two door
hinges. The upper door window is slide-able and can lock at hinges. The upper door window is slide-able and can
the closed position. The lower window is fixed type. lock at the closed position. The lower window is fixed
• Two releasing latches are provided to the door. One type.
releasing latch is for the operator who sat on the seat. And • The door provides only one releasing latch. The
another one is provided to release the door from behind the operator cannot release and close the door from the
cab or this release latch allows the operator to release the catwalk.
door from the catwalk.

Photo C-39: Door (385C CDSCF1557) Photo Z-39: Door (ZDSCF1169)

Photo C-40: Door Release Knob behind the cab (385C Photo Z-41: Door Release Knob in the cab (ZDSCF1159)
CDSCF1591)

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Photo C-41: Door Release Knob in the cab (385C
CDSCF1590)

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 Hydraulic Actuation Lever
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Lock position, • When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Lock position,
the joysticks and travel levers are inactivated. the joysticks and travel levers are inactivated.
• When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Unlock • When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Unlock
position, the engine is not cranked to prevent unexpected position, the engine can be cranked. This is dangerous
movement. because there is a possibility to move the machine
unexpectedly when the engine is cranked.

Photo C-42: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Lock Position) Photo Z-42: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Lock Position)
(385C CDSCF1821) (ZDSCF1706)

Photo C-43: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Unlock Position) Photo Z-43: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Unlock Position)
(385C CDSCF1822) (ZDSCF1162)

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 Operator Comfort
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Seat
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The 385C offers wide variety of the seats and suspensions • The low back seat with mechanical suspension is only
shown below: available to the ZX850H.
1. Seat: Low back seat, High back seat, High back seat • No more seat and suspension option is available to the
with seat heater ZX850H.
2. Suspension: Mechanical suspension, Air suspension

Photo C-44: Seat (385C CDSCF1825) Photo Z-44: Seat (ZDSCF1189)

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 Armrest
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The armrest is with the height adjustment mechanism • The armrest is with the tilt mechanism, but not with the
and tilt mechanism. height adjustment mechanism.
• The armrest is mounted to the console, not to the seat. • The armrest is mounted to the seatback, not on the
This location has the advantage to maintaining the relative console. Adjusting the seatback changes the relative
relationship between the joystick and the armrest even when relationship between the joystick and the armrest.
reclining the seat.

Photo C-45: Armrest (385C CDSCF1813) Photo Z-45: Armrest (ZDSCF1154)

Console
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The 385C uses the integrated seat and console. The • The ZX850H uses the integrated seat with console. The
operator can adjust the seat position with maintaining the console can be adjusted along with the seat.
relative position with the joysticks. • The suspension is mounted between the console and the
• Both of the console and the seat are mounted to the cab seat. Because the console is mounted to the cab floor
floor via the suspension. This type of design attenuates the without the suspension, the vibration from the cab floor
vibration transmitted from the cab floor to the console and is directly transmitted to the consoles/joysticks.
seat.

Photo C-46: Integrated Seat and Console (385C

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CDSCF1809) Photo Z-46: Integrated Seat and Console (ZDSCF1156

Climate Control
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Full automatic positive ventilation climate control is • Full automatic positive ventilation climate control is
used to the 385C. used to the ZX850H.
• Four air outlets are provided. • Four air outlets are provided.
• The climate control panel is located on the right • The climate control panel is located on the right
console. console.

Photo C-47: Climate Control Panel (385C CDSCF1781) Photo Z-47: Climate Control Panel (ZDSCF1085)

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 Storage
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Two storage spaces for the small articles such as a pencil and The storage space for the small articles is not provided to the
a cellular phone are provided. One storage space is situated ZX850H. But, there is the Hot & Cool box behind the seat.
on the left console just under the armrest and another one is
positioned rear on the right console.

Photo C-48: Storage Space on Left Console (385C

CDSCF1773) Photo Z-48: Hot & Cool Box (ZDSCF1105)

Photo C-49: Storage space on Right Console (385C

CDSCF1749)

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 Lunch Box
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• A large capacity of the lunch box, which dimensions are • One storage space is provided to the cab. The space can
475mm in width, 485mm in length and 240mm in depth be used as a place for the lunch box, but no cover is
is provided. provided.
• The lid is also provided as an attachment.

Photo C-50: Lunch Box without Cover (385C Photo Z-50: Space for Lunch Box without cover
CDSCF1762) (ZDSCF1110

Photo C-51: Lunch box with Lid Cover (325D

100PENTAX IMGP1508)

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 Durability
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Cab Shell
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The bolt-on FOGS can be installed to the cab without any The bolt-on FOGS can be installed to the cab without any
modifications. modifications.

Photo C-52: Cab with Head Guard (385C CDSCF1824) Photo Z-52: Cab with Head Guard (ZDSCF1240)

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 Track Frame
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The track frame is bolted to the carbody with 11 • The track frame is bolted to the carbody with 11
units/leg of M36 bolts. units/leg of the M36 bolts.
• The track frame is made by pressing the steel plate of • The track frame is made by pressing the steel plate of
the thickness of 18.5mm and is the box construction. the thickness of 18.9mm and is the U-Channel construction.
This design provides excellent rigidity against bending This design provides less rigidity against bending and
stress and twisting stress. twisting than the box construction that is used to the 385C
• The dimensions of the track frame are 475mm in height track frame.
and 670mm in width. • The dimensions of the track frame are 486mm in height
and 643mm in width.

Photo C-53: Track Frame (385C CDSCF0072) Photo Z-53: Track Frame (ZDSCF0625)

Sprocket
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The sprocket has 23 teeth. The diameter is 952mm. • The sprocket has 23 teeth. The diameter is 952mm.
• The sprocket is bolted to the final drive with 28 units of • The sprocket is bolted to the final drive with 24 units of
the M30 bolts. the M27 bolts.

Photo C-54: Sprocket (385C CDSCF0079) Photo Z-54: Sprocket (ZDSCF0636)

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 Track Link
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The link pitch is 260mm. • The link pitch is 260mm which is the same as the 385C.
• The GLT-4 lubricated track link by which its life is • It is unclear if the lubricated track link is used to the
dramatically extended is used to the 385C. ZX850H.

Photo C-55: Track Link (385C CDSCF0075) Photo Z-55: Track Link (ZDSCF1708)

Product Comparison Section - Link Dimensions

Make Caterpillar Komatsu

Model 385C PC800-7
English English
Heading Metric Value Unit Unit Metric Value Unit Unit
Value Value
Lin Pitch 260 mm 10.24 in 260 mm 10.24 in
Link Height 155.1 mm 6.11 in 150 mm 5.91 in
Link Width 73.9 mm 2.91 in 73.5 mm 2.89 in
Link Pin Diameter 55 mm 2.17 in 62 mm 2.44 in
Link Pin Bushing Diameter 85 mm 3.35 in 87 mm 3.43 in

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 Piping for Travel Motors
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The travel motor piping is protected by the cover from the The travel motor piping is protected by the cover from the
damage. damage.

Photo C-56: Piping for Travel Motor (385C CDSCF1511) Photo Z-56: Piping for Travel Motor (ZDSCF0640)

Carbody
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Higher the carbody is the feature of the 385C carbody. • Carbody height is 425mm which is 11% less than the
• Also, the carbody is constructed using thicker plates or 385C carbody.
similar thickness of plates except the bottom plate • The swing bearing is mounted to the swing bearing
• The swing bearing is directly mounted to the carbody column. With this design, the stress from the upper structure
without the swing bearing column. This design allows the must be transmitted to the track frame via the swing bearing
carbody to transmit the stress from the upper structure to the column.
track frame smoothly.

Photo C-57: Carbody (385C CDSCF0086) Photo Z-57: Carbody (ZDSCF0057)

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 Product Comparison Section - Carbody Dimensions

Make Caterpillar
Model
Metric English Metric English
Heading Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value Value
Top Plate(Leg) 45.1 mm 1.78 in 45.3 mm 1.78 in
Top Plate(Center) 45.1 mm 1.78 in 45.3 mm 1.78 in
Vertical Plate(Center) 50.6 mm 1.99 in 40.4 mm 1.59 in
Vertical Plate(Leg) 45.3 mm 1.78 in 45.8 mm 1.80 in
Bottom Plate 41.2 mm 1.62 in 45 mm 1.77 in
Carbody Height 475 mm 18.70 in 425 mm 16.73 in

Swing Frame
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• T” shape steels are used to the whole length of the

• The main rails are the box construction for whole
length. main rails.
• Tow main rails are integrated with one thicker lower • Main rails of the rear part are basically independent, but
plate by welding. Then, this integrated structure is as one, are connected by the thinner plate of the thickness 9mm.
and becomes the primary structure of the swing frame. This • This design is less rigidity than that of the 385C because
design has the advantage to increasing the rigidity of the the main rails and lower plate are not as one.
swing frame. • Following is the plate thickness of the primary
• The skirt is also the box construction to increase the structure:
strength of the swing frame
• Following is the plate thickness of the primary
structure:

Photo Z-58: Swing Frame (ZDSCF0028)

Photo C-58: Swing Frame (385C CDSCF1659)

Skirt Plate mm 5.2 Skirt Plate mm 9.3

Skirt Height mm 300 Skirt Height mm 210
Turn Table Plate mm 41.2 Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 45
Thickness(Front) (Front)
Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 25.5 Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 9

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 (Rear) (Rear)

Main Beam
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• T” shape steels are used to the whole length of the

• The main rails are the box construction for whole
length. main rails.
• Two main rails are integrated with the steel pipe to • Two main rails are connected by the cross plate of the
increase rigidity. The dimension of the pipe is 302mm in thickness 22.2mm.
diameter and the plate thickness is 25.4mm. • Following is the plate thickness of the main rails:
• Following is the plate thickness of the main rails:

Photo Z-59: Main Beam (ZDSCF0028)

Photo C-59: Main Beam (385C CDSCF1659)

Front Half (“T” channel construction)

Front Half (Box Construction)
Vertical Plates Thickness mm 40.2
Vertical Plates Thickness mm 30.7 Upper Plate Thickness mm 45.1
Horizontal Plate Thickness mm 31.3 Upper Plate width mm 145
Width of Box Construction mm 272 Rear Half (“T” Channel Construction)
Rear Half (Box Construction)
Vertical Plates mm 40.2
Vertical Plates Thickness mm 20.4 Upper Plate Thickness mm 45.1
Horizontal Plate Thickness mm 31.4 Lower Plate Thickness mm 45.0
Width of Box Construction mm 272 Upper Plate Width mm 250
Lower Plate Width mm 250

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 Swing Bearing
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The dimensions of the outer race are 1952mm in • The dimensions of the outer race are 1934mm in
diameter and 165mm in height. diameter and 147mm in height.
• The outer race is bolted to the swing frame with 48units • The diameter is close with the 385C, but the height is
of the M30 bolt. The thicker spacers of the 5mm are used to 18mm or 11% less than the 385C.
maintaining the torque for long time. • The outer race is bolted to the swing frame with 40units
• In addition, the cross roller bearing is used to the 385C. of the M33 bolt without spacers.
The cross roller bearing features longer life than the ball • It is unclear if the cross roller bearing is used to the
bearing because the roller touches the inner race and the swing bearing.
outer race with lines, not points.

Photo C-60: Swing Bearing (385C CDSCF0089) Photo Z-60: Swing Bearing (ZDSCF0056)

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 Clearance Between Track and Upper Frame
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The clearance between shoe lug and the skirt is 195mm. The clearance between shoe lug and the skirt is 204mm.

Photo C-61: Clearance between Track and Upper Frame Photo Z-61: Clearance between Track and Upper Frame
(385C CDSCF0092) (ZDSCF0633)

Weld Length
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The track frame is bolted on the carbody with 11 M36 bolts. The track frame is bolted on the carbody with 11 M36 bolts.

Photo Z-62: Bolted Joint Track Frame (ZDSCF1455)

Photo C-62: Bolted Joint Track Frame (385C CDSCF1504)

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 Stick
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The stick is designed to use thinner plates with larger • When it is compared with the 385C stick, the stick on
cross section area. This design allows the stick to reduce its the ZX850H is made of equal thickness plates and the thick
weight while maintaining the strength. plates.
• However, dimensions are 485mm in width and 687mm
in height. The cross section area is 15% less than the 385C
stick.

Stick Dimensions Stick Dimensions

Upper Plate Front mm 16.1 Upper Plate Front mm 19
Thickness Rear mm 30 Thickness Rear mm 36.2
Side Plate Front mm 30.4 Side Plate Front mm 28.6
Thickness Middle mm 14.2 Thickness Middle mm 14.3
Rear mm 22.8 Rear mm 22.4
Lower Plate Thickness mm 22.5 Lower Plate Front mm 22
Cross Section Width mm 496 Thickness Rear mm 32.5
Cross Section Height mm 770 Cross Section Width mm 485
Cross Section Area m3 0.3819 Cross Section Height mm 687
Cross Section Area m3 0.333
Stick Cylinder Dimensions
Bore mm 220 Stick Cylinder Dimensions
Rod Diameter mm 150 Bore mm 215
Stroke m 2.262 Rod Diameter mm 150
Hyd. Pressure MPa 32 Stroke m 2.175
Thrust x Stroke ton-m 284 Hyd. Pressure MPa 31.9
(Cyl. Extended) Thrust x Stroke ton-m 256.5
Thrust x Stroke ton-m 152 (Cyl. Extended)
(Cyl. Retracted) Thrust x Stroke ton-m 131.6
(Cyl. Retracted)

Photo C-63: Stick (385C CDSCF1636) Photo Z-63: Stick (ZDSCF0086)

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 Boom
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The boom is designed to use thinner plates with larger • The plates of various thickness are used for various
cross section area. This design allows the boom to reduce its places.
weight while maintaining the strength. • The boom height and boom width are close to the 385C
• Each of the upper plate, lower plate and side plate boom.
consist of three pieces to reduce boom weight while
maintaining strength because various plate thickness can be
selected to meet various stress.
• The boom nose is made with the fabricated material to
reduce boom weight.

Photo C-65: Boom (385C CDSCF1545) Photo Z-65: Boom (ZDSCF0085)

Boom Dimensions Boom Dimensions

Upper Plate Front mm 16.3 Upper Plate Front mm 25.3
Thickness Middle mm 25.1 Thickness Middle mm 16.0
Rear 30.4 Rear 25.2
Side Plate Front mm 18.2 Side Plate Front mm 16.4
Thickness Middle mm 25.3 Thickness Middle mm 25.2
Rear mm 29.2 Rear mm 25.3
Lower Plate Front mm 22.2 Lower Plate Front mm 25.4
Thickness Middle mm 22.3 Thickness Middle mm 28.7
Rear mm 24.8 Rear mm 22.4
Cross Section Width mm 660 Cross Section Width mm 655
Cross Section Height mm 1170 Cross Section Height mm 1170
Cross Section Area m3 0.7722 Cross Section Area m3 0.7664

Boom Cylinder Dimensions Boom Cylinder Dimensions

Bore mm 210 Bore mm 200
Rod Diameter mm 145 Rod Diameter mm 140
Stroke m 1.967 Stroke m

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 Hyd. Pressure MPa 32 Hyd. Pressure MPa 31.9
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units Thrust x Stroke (Cyl. Extended) ton-m/2
(Cyl. Extended) units
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units Thrust x Stroke (Cyl. Retracted) ton-m/2
(Cyl. Retracted) units

Boom Cross Section

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The boom cross section area is 0.7722m3. The boom cross section area is 0.7664m3.

Photo C-66: Boom (385C CDSCF1545) Photo Z-66: Boom (ZDSCF1319)

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 Boom Foot
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The boom widens smoothly toward the boom foot. This • The boom foot width is 1110mm which is narrower than
design allows the load to be smoothly transmitted to the the 385C.
boom foot without concentration of the load.
• The boom foot width is 1240mm which is 130mm
wider than the ZX850H.

Photo C-67: Boom Foot (385C CDSCF1658) Photo Z-67: Boom Foot (ZDSCF1329)

Boom Lights
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Dual lights are situated to both side of the boom. • Single light is situated to both side of the boom.
• Also, storage box mounted light and cab lights are • The storage box mounted light is provided. But, cab
provided. In addition, the frame mounted working light is light and the light under the cab is not provided to the
situated under the cab. ZX850H.

Photo C-68: Boom Lights (385C CDSCF1565) Photo Z-68: Boom Light (ZDSCF1311)

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Photo C-69: Boom Lights (385C CDSCF1566) Photo Z-69: Boom Light (ZDSCF1312)

Bottom Guarding
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Whole area of the bottom of the upper structure is Whole area of the bottom of the upper structure is protected
completely protected with the bottom guards. with the bottom guards.
.

Photo C-71: Bottom Guards (385C CDSCF1728) Photo Z-71: Bottom Guards (ZDSCF1226)

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 Product Comparison Section - Bottom Guarding

Make Caterpillar Compared To

Model Machine Model # Machine Model #
Metric English Metric English
Heading Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value Value
Below Radiator 5.2 mm 0.20 in 5 mm 0.20 in
Below Oil Cooler mm 0.00 in mm 0.00 in
Below Engine 4.3 mm 0.17 in 4.5 mm 0.18 in
Below Control Valves 5.3 mm 0.21 in 5.1 mm 0.20 in
Below Pump 5.3 mm 0.21 in 5 mm 0.20 in
Below Fuel Tank 3.4 mm 0.13 in 5 mm 0.20 in
Below Hydraulic Oil Tank 5.3 mm 0.21 in 5.1 mm 0.20 in
Below Swivel Joint 5.5 mm 0.22 in 9.4 mm 0.37 in

Travel Motor Projection

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• With equipping the 650mm shoe, the projection of the • With equipping the 650mm shoe, the projection of the
travel motor cover is 155mm for upper part and 112mm for travel motor cover is 120mm.
lower part from the shoe width. • The final drive does not project from the shoe width.
• The final drive does not project from the shoe width.

Photo C-72: Travel Motor Projection (385C CDSCF1508) Photo Z-72: Travel Motor Projection (ZDSCF0011)

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Photo C-73: Final Drive Projection (385C CDSCF1510) Photo Z-73: Final Drive Projection (ZDSCF0010)

Wire Harness Protection

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The wire harnesses are protected with the Yellow Blade. The Wire harnesses are protected with the corrugate tubes. The
Yellow Blade has a resistance to wear and excels in drainage corrugate tube is weak to heat and has no drainage.
of the wire harness. The Yellow Blade is also used in the
engine compartment because of its excellent heat-resistance.

Photo C-74: Yellow Blade (385C CDSCF1986) Photo Z-74: Wire Harness Protection (ZDSCF336)

Hose Clamp

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 Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The hoses for the air, coolant and hydraulic system are The hose clamp with spring is not used to the ZX850H.
fastened with two spring clams to prevent leakage for the
long time.

Photo C-76: Hose Clamp for Hydraulic System (385C Photo Z-76: Hose Clamp for Hydraulic System
CDSCF1888) (ZDSCF1434)

Photo C-77: Hose Clamp for Air System (385C Photo Z-77: Hose Clamp for Air System (ZDSCF1266)
CDSCF1949)

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 Serviceability
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Easy to Troubleshoot
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Pressure Taps Pressure Taps

Because the pressure taps are provided on the hydraulic No pressure tap is provided to the ZX850H. The hydraulic
system, the hydraulic pressure can be measured without lines must be disconnected when pressure measurement.
disconnecting the hydraulic hoses. The pressure tap also
reduces time and prevents oil spillage when pressure
measurement.

Photo C-78: Pressure Tap (prepro 385c_0186)

Photo Z-78: Pump without Pressure Tap (ZDSCF0658)

E.T Connectors ET Connector

The 385C provides three E.T connectors, in the cab, on the one receptacle for the Dr. EX, which is a diagnostic tool for
relay panel and in the engine compartment. ZX series, is provided in the cab.
The E.T connectors make the diagnosis without
disconnecting the connectors possible. The ET connectors are
also used for updating the controller.

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Photo C-79: ET Connector on Relay Panel (385C Photo Z-79: Connector for Dr. EX (ZDSCF1213)
CDSCF1837)

Photo C-80: ET Connector in Engine Compartment (385C

CDSCF1962)

Photo C-81: ET Connector in the Cab (Prepro 385c_0412)

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 Centralized Maintenance
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The maintenance platform is provided on the upper • The maintenance platform does not provide to the
structure. Most of the maintenance points on the upper ZX850H.
structure can access from the maintenance platform and • Because servicing should be accomplished from the
catwalks. upper deck, some of the maintenance points are situated
• Because most of maintenance points are situated above under the service floor.
from the service floor, the service person can access the
maintenance point without having uncomfortable posture.

Photo C-82: Service Platform (385C CDSCF1857) Photo Z-82: No service platform on the upper deck
(ZDSCF1231)

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 Monitor Service Features
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The monitor has the capability to memorize and display • Because the monitor on the ZX850H is the analog type,
the replacement interval for twelve kinds of filters and fluids, it does not provide the memory function like the monitor on
in language. the 385C.
• In addition, the monitor has the capability to • However, there are two trip meters and these meters can
memorize/display the accumulated working hours for engine, be used instead of the memory function. But, this monitor
pump, travel motor and tools. This information will be useful does not capability to memorize the name of the filters/fluids.
for preventive maintenance. • The monitor does not have the capability to memorize
the accumulated working hours for major components.

Photo C-83: Maintenance information (Japanese) (385C Photo Z-83: LCD Display with Trip Meter Function
CDSCF2029) (ZDSCF1124)

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 Swing Motor Accessibility
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Level check and refilling of the swing reduction oil can • Level check and refilling of the swing reduction oil can
be accomplished from the upper deck. be accomplished from the upper deck..
• Because the 385C uses two swing motors, the draining • The drain cock is accessible under the machine. The
can be accomplished from the boom foot and under the Wrench is required to removing the drain plug when
machine. The drain cock is provided to drain the oil without draining the oil.
tools.

Photo Z-84: Swing Reduction Gear Oil Drain Plug

Photo C-84: Swing Reduction Gear Oil Drain Cock (385C (ZDSCF1306)
CDSCF1917)

Swing Gear Lubrication

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The swing gear inspection hole is situated in the battery The swing gear inspection hole is located in the toolbox.
compartment. And operator can access the inspection hole by However, the wall of the toolbox is situated on the inspection
lining his belly on the battery cover, difficult to accessing/removing the cover.

Photo C-85: Swing Gear Inspection Hole (385C 183NIKON Photo Z-85: Swing Gear Inspection Hole (ZDSCF1300)

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DSCN0351)

Maintenance of Cooling Package

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The OCS (Oil Cooler Separate) Cooling unit is used to • Accessing the cooling core is hard because the radiator,
the 385C. oil cooler and after-cooler are arranged in series.
• Because the oil cooler is independent from the radiator, • The radiator screen is provided. But reverse fan
this design has the advantages not only improving the function is not provided.
cooling efficiency, but also accessing the cooling unit easily.
• The radiator screen is provided as an attachment.
• The reverse fan function is provided as an attachment.

Photo C-87: Separate Cooling System (385C CDSCF1846) Photo Z-87: Cooling Unit (ZDSCF1437)

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 Refueling
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The fuel tank has the capacity of 1240liter. • The fuel tank has the capacity of 910liter.
• According to the production study, the 385C consumes • According to the production study, the ZX850H
the fuel of ??liter/hour. This means that the 385C can work consumes the fuel of ??liter/hour. This means that the
for ??hours continuously. ZX850Hcan work for ??hours continuously.
• In addition to the sight level gauge, the float type level • The flat type level gauge is not provide to the strainer.
gauge is provided to the strainer. This helps the service
person to confirm fuel level during refueling.

Photo C-88: Fuel Cap with Fuel Gauge (385C

CDSCF1902) Photo Z-88: Fuel Cap without fuel Gauge (ZDSCF1285)

Photo C-89: Fuel Level Gauge (385C CDSCF1900) Photo Z-89: Fuel Level Gauge (ZDSCF1283))

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 Air Filter
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The 385C uses the double element type radial air filter • The double element type radial air filter is provided to
with pre-cleaner. the ZX850H.
• The dust sensor is provided to the air filter. When the • The dust sensor is provided to the air filter. When the
filter is plugged, warning information is displayed on the filter is plugged, the icon on the monitor is turned on.
monitor.

Photo Z-90: Air Cleaner (Elements removed)

Photo C-90: Air Cleaner (Elements removed) (385C (ZDSCF1280)
CDSCF1873)

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 Hydraulic Filters (filtration)
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• In addition to the return filters (capsule filters), the • The return filter, motor drain filter, pilot filter are
pump drain filter, motor drain filter and pilot filter are provided to the ZX850H, but the pump drain filter is not
provided to extend life of the hydraulic components and provided.
hydraulic oil. • The S.O.S sampling port is not provided.
• Furthermore, the fine filtration filter, which has the
capacity to filter more minute contamination, is equipped to
this vehicle.
• The S.O.S sampling port is provided on the pilot pump.

Photo C-91: Pilot Filter and Pump Drain Filter (385C

CDSCF1889) Photo Z-91: Motor Drain Filter (ZDSCF0665)

Photo C-92: Motor Drain Filter and Return Filter (385C Photo Z-92: Return Filter (ZDSCF1297)
CDSCF1862)

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Photo C-94: SOS Sampling Port (385C CDSCF1890) Photo Z-93: Pilot Filter (ZDSCF0663

Engine Oil Filters

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The engine oil filter is situated on the engine to • Two engine oil filters are situated under the engine. The
accessing from the platform, easily. operator/service person required bending his body to
• The S.O.S. sampling port is provided on the engine oil accessing the filters.
filter base. • The filter cost must be double because of two filters.
• The S.O.S sampling port is not provided to the
ZX850H.

Photo C-95: Engine Oil Filter with SOS Sampling Port Photo Z-95: Engine Oil Filter (ZDSCF1261)
(385C CDSCF1937)

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 Capsule Filter
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The return filter is a capsule type. Three capsule filters • Two element type return filters are equipped on the
are used to the 385C and filter cartridges are the common to ZX850H.
the mid size excavators. • Because the return filter is in the oil, it is required to put
• The filter can be replaced without making hands dirty. a hand in the oil when removing the element. Of course,
• The shutter provided to the bottom at the filter is shut the oil which dripped from the filter element makes the
when removed to prevent spillage of the oil. The shutter also upper deck dirty.
prevents dirt and contaminations from going into the filter. • Because the hydraulic oil is exposed when replacing the
filter, there is risk to enter contamination/water into the
hydraulic tank.

Photo C-96: Capsule type Return Filter (385C CDSCF1997) Photo Z-96: Element type Return Filter (Element removed )
• (ZDSCF1366)

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 Engine Access
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The maintenance points for the engine are centralized. • The engine should be accessed from two maintenance
• Most of maintenance points can be accessed from the points of the upper deck and the counterweight.
platform. And most of maintenance points are located above • When the service person is on the counterweight, the
from the service floor. lifting eye on the counterweight is a dangerous projection.

Photo C-97: Engine Access (385C CDSCF1928) Photo Z-97: Engine Access from the counterweight
(ZDSCF1404)

Photo Z-97-1: Engine Access from the upper deck

(ZDSCF1237)

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 Final Drive
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

One drain port and one level check/refill port are provided. One drain port and two level check/refill ports are provided.

Photo C-98: Final Drive (385C CDSCF0079) Photo Z-98: Final Drive (ZDSCF0636)

Fuel System
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Large capacity of the priming pump is provided in the • A priming pump is situated on the injection pump,
engine compartment. under the upper deck. The priming is hard because the
• Because the priming pump is situated above from the capacity of the priming pumps is small.
platform, the operator/service person can easily access and • The operator/service person requires crouch down when
operate it from the platform. accessing the priming pump.

Photo C-99: Fuel Priming Pump (385C CDSCF1934) Photo Z-99: Fuel Priming Pump (ZDSCF1264)

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 Water Separator
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The water separator is situated the right side of the machine The water separator is situated on the engine.
and can access from the catwalk, easily.

Photo Z-101: Water Separator (ZDSCF1253)

Photo C-101: Water Separator (385C CDSCF1863)

Cab Air Filters

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The air filter for circulated air is situated under the • The air filter for circulated air is situated under the
lunch box. Any tool is not required when detaching and lunch box. Any tool is not required when detaching and
attaching the filter. attaching the filter.
• The air filter for fresh air is located to the back of the • The air filter for fresh air could not be discovered.
cab shell, and is accessible from the battery compartment.

Photo C-102: Air Filter for Circulated Air (385C

CDSCF1761) Photo Z-102: Air Filter for Circulated Air (ZDSCF1212

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Photo C-103: Air Filter for Fresh Air (385C CDSCF1838)

Anti-Skid Deck
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The new type anti-skid plates are used in the areas • The sand papers and the steel plates with holes are used
which are accessed frequently on the upper deck to prevent to prevent the slippage.
slippage. • The sandpaper is less effective in preventing slippage
• The anti-skid plate provides more effect to prevent the than the anti-skid plate. It doesn't have the effect which
slippage than the sandpaper. Also, the effect of the anti-skid almost stops a slip on the condition that snow accumulated.
plate can last linger than the sand paper. • The sandpaper wears out in a short time.

Photo C-104: Anti-Skid Panel (385C CDSCF1921) Photo Z104: Sand Paper on the Upper Deck (ZDSCF1232

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 Access to Cab and Upper Deck
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• The handgrips and steps are provided to the both side • The handgrips and steps are provided to the both side
for accessing the cab and upper deck. for accessing the cab and upper deck.
• The maintenance points on the upper deck are • Because the platform is not provided to the ZX850H,
centralized to the platform. Most of periodic maintenances the periodic maintenances should be accomplished on the
are accomplished from the platform. upper deck. .
• The operator/service person can access the upper deck • The operator/service person can access the upper deck
from the left side catwalk by using the ladder which is from the left side catwalk by using the ladder which is
provided behind the cab. provided behind the cab.

Photo C-105: Step and Assist to accessing the cab (385C Photo Z-105: Step and Assist to accessing the cab
CDSCF1596) (ZDSCF0645

Photo C-106: Steps and Ladder to accessing upper deck Photo Z-106: Steps and Ladder to accessing upper deck
(385C CDSCF1598) (ZDSCF0641)

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 Cat Walk
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The catwalks are provided to both sides. The catwalk is provided only to left side.

Photo C-107: Left Side Catwalk (385C CDSCF1601)

Photo Z-107: Left Side Catwalk (ZDSCF0648)

Photo C-108: Right Side Catwalk (385C CDSCF1608)

Photo Z-108: No Catwalk on Right Side (ZDSCF0642

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 Fan Belt Re-tensioning
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

• Because the 385C uses hydraulically driven fan motors, • The fan is driven by the fan belt and the belt is required
the fan belt is not required to the C18 engine. re-tensioning by manually.
• Because the automatic belt re-tensioning system is
provided to the accessory belt, re-tensioning is not required
to the C18 engine.

Photo C-109: Hydraulically Driven Cooling Fan (385C Photo Z-109: Manual Fan Belt Re-tensioning System
CDSCF1956) (ZDSCF1259)

Track Frame Cleaning

Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The upper face of the track frame is horizontal. The upper face of the track frame is horizontal.

Photo C-110: Upper face of the Track Frame (385C Photo Z-110: Upper face of the Track Frame (ZDSCF0628
CDSCF1505)

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 Environment
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

The C18 engine on the 385C meets EPA Tier III Emission The BB-6WG1X engine on the ZX850H meets EPA Tier II
Regulations. Emission Regulations. This engine does not have the
capability to meet EPA Tier III Emission Regulations.

Photo C-111: C18 Engine (385C CDSCF1946)

Photo Z-111: BB-6WG1X Overview (ZDSCF1245)

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 Technical Specifications
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Engine

Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Model CAT C18 Isuzu BB-6WG1X
Type DI, ATAAC DI, ATAAC
kW 390 338
Horsepower PS 530 460
HP 523 454
Dsiplacement Liter 18.1 15.681
N-m 2493 1863
Max torque
rpm 1400 1500
# of Cylinder 6 6

English
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Model CAT C18 Isuzu BB-6WG1X
Type DI, ATAAC DI, ATAAC
kW 390 338
Horsepower PS 530 460
HP 523 454
Dsiplacement in3 1104.5 956.9
lb.ft 1838.7 1374.1
Max torque
rpm 1400 1500
# of Cylinder 6 6

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 Weights
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative

Metric
CaterPillar Hitachi
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Operating Wg kg 81510 83930 73900
Type Of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Boom Length m 8.4 8.4 8.25
Stick Length m 3.7 3.7 3.6
Bucket Capacity m3 3.5 3.5 3.4
Shoe Width mm 650 750 650
Counterweight ton 11.6 11.6 12.5

English
CaterPillar Hitachi
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Operating Wg lb 179700 185030 162920
Type Of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Boom Length ft 27'7" 27'7" 27'1"
Stick Length ft 12'2" 12'2" 11'10"
Bucket Capacity yd3 4.58 4.58 4.45
Shoe Width in 26 30 26
Counterweight lb 25573 25573 27560

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 Service Refill Capacities

Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Fuel Tank Liter 1240 901
Hydraulic Tank Liter 810 405
Hydraulic System Liter 995 670
Coolant Liter 101 107
Engine Oil Pan Liter 65 55
Swing Drive(Each) Liter 19 15
Final Drive(Each) Liter 21 21
Pump Drive Lter 7
English
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Fuel Tank Gal 328 238
Hydraulic Tank Gal 214 107
Hydraulic System Gal 263 177
Coolant Gal 27 28
Engine Oil Pan Gal 17 15
Swing Drive(Each) Gal 5.02 3.96
Final Drive(Each) Gal 5.55 5.55
Pump Drive Gal 0 1.85

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 Hydraulic System

Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Type x # of Unit 2 2
Main Pump
Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 950 104
Type x # of Unit 1 1
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 87 30.2
Swing Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 460
Cooling Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 50
Imprement(STD) KPa 32000 31900
Imprement(Pressure Up) KPa 35000 34300
Relief Swing KPa 28700 28400
Pressure Travel KPa 35000 34300
Pilot KPa 4120 3900
Cooling KPa -- --

English
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL ZX850H
Type x # of Unit 2 2
Main Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 251 27.5
Type x # of Unit 1 1
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 23 8
Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 121.5 0
Cooling Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 13.2 0
Imprement(STD) psi 4641 4627
Imprement(Pressure Up) psi 5076 4975
Relief Swing psi 4163 4119
Pressure Travel psi 5076 4975
Pilot psi 598 566
Cooling psi -- -

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 Drive

Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Type of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
High km/h 4.5 4.5 4.3
Travel Speed Mid km/h -- --
Low km/h 2.8 2.8 3.1
Max. Drawbarpull kN 592 592 560
Gradeabiity %

English
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Type of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
High mph 2.8 2.8 2.7
Travel Speed Mid mph -- -- --
Low mph 1.7 1.7 1.9
Max. Drawbarpull lb 133090 133090 125890
Gradeabiity % 0 0 0

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 Track

Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Type of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Overall Length mm 5840 6360 6350
Tumbler Length mm 4600 5120 5110
Track Extended mm 3510 3510 3450
Gauge Retracted mm 2750 2750 2830
Min Ground Clearance mm 850 850 880
# of Track rollers 8 9 9
# of Carrier rollers 3 3 3

English
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C 385CL ZX850H
Type of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Overall Length ft-in 19'2" 20'10" 20'10"
Tumbler Length ft-in 15'1" 16'10" 16'9"
Track Extended ft-in 11'6" 11'6" 11'4"
Gauge Retracted ft-in 9'0" 9'0" 9'3"
Min Ground Clearance ft-in 2'9" 2'9" 2'11"
# of Track rollers 8 9 9
# of Carrier rollers 3 3 3

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