Pagan Altar Behind The Cloak
Pagan Altar Behind The Cloak
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When it was first suggested that I write this article I must say that it was with a certain
amount of trepidation and mixed emotions that I agreed. I initially considered that being so close to
members of the band for years that have spanned from before Pagan Altar was formed to the
present day would not make me objective enough in my approach. Having been an ex-drummer with
the band, in fact the first, an association that I am extremely proud of, I suppose my natural
tendencies and inclinations would lean towards looking at the band through rose coloured glasses. I
have therefore tried to observe and analyse the whole situation from a totally detached viewpoint,
but human nature being what it is, some of my own opinions and observations have probably crept
in and become incorporated within some of the analytical assumptions. I have refrained from
mentioning myself in the Bio, this is not due to any pretence at a
misguided view of modesty that I might have but because I genuinely
feel that any major achievements made by the band were after my
departure. Although I’m sure these two factors can’t possibly be
related? I have however succumbed to the temptation of inserting at
least a couple or so pictures of myself seen here (opposite) with Glen
and Alan. I did however; get a mention inside the sleeve of the CD,
which pleased me immensely, if only to remind me of probably one
of the funniest periods in my life! My initial instruction was to
formulate a biography that was actually as near to the truth as I
could get regarding the circumstances behind events that transpired
to create the Pagan Altar enigma, such as it is, and one that has
prevailed for almost twenty years
The enigma that surrounds Pagan Altar has been an on-going saga for some 20 years. How
was it possible for a band that has now been acknowledged and recognised as an innovative
example of the heavy rock/metal scene of the time, is inexplicably ignored in 1980-86. Pagan Altar
now receives acclaim from countries all over the world, from fans and musicians alike, a far cry
indeed from the early eighties when no record company or real management seemed interested in
the slightest.
Nunhead Cemetery in Brockley S.E. London was a favourite location for all Pagan Altars
Photographic sessions. Its crumbling chapels and Gothic monuments provided the ideal backdrop
and was the inspiration behind numerous songs such as March of the Dead, Judgement of the Dead
and The Sentinels of Hate.
Pagan Altar the obscurest of the obscure, a classic reflection of British media hypes in the early 80’s.
It is now common knowledge that like many other good Heavy Rock bands of that period, Pagan
Altar were simply ignored by the established music press. They, in their supposed coverage of the
British Heavy scene, tended to concentrate on the more lightweight, socially acceptable “Poseur”
Bands that they assumed, in their ignorance, were more popular. They probably considered Pagan
Altar and their like to be unfashionable and not to their own, or the majority of their readers
personal tastes. Much talent was lost in this way and it was only the advent of the Internet that has
brought many bands like Pagan Altar to light. I suppose to put the blame solely on the shoulders of
these cretins would possibly be giving them undeserved credence, but at the time, publicity from
whatever quarter was necessary to progress. Pagan Altar were true underground, but in being so,
their music has survived to resurface and be given a new lease of life in this new millennium, almost
twenty years later. The Internet, with its far-reaching tentacles, has given a new and far larger
audience the freedom of choice to judge for themselves the qualities or frailties of individual bands.
Pagan Altar was an extremely good live band, bringing theatre, atmosphere, power and a presence
that was at times awesome. The use of a high draped Altar topped with a large inverted cross, skulls,
black candles etc, overlooked by the Sorcerers head and flanked by Marshall stacks made an
imposing back drop. The cloak clad figures emerging from the mist to the accompaniment of a
Gregorian chant was pure theatre and what a great way to get on stage!
Inexplicably no major recording company came forward to sign them and it still rankles with me, a
comparative outsider, that no one had the foresight to see the lasting potential within the band and
their music.
Original inserts for the demo tapes that were distributed throughout the USA and elsewhere. Circa
1982/83.
A cutting from the ‘Sounds’ music Newspaper circa 1980/81 obviously from a real disgruntled ‘Heavy’
not too impressed with the reported music scene of the time. Like myself he didn't seem too keen on some of
the ‘poseur’ bands either, still, judging by the comment about Pagan Altar and the PS his heart (and his ears)
were certainly in the right place! Just seems a shame no one took any notice of him!
Pagan Altar were well known throughout S. E. England and played most of the notable and
some perhaps not so notable venues, but that was as far as it went, except, oddly enough, in the
United States. In 1982 a demo tape of the first album circulated the U.S.A. and has been bootlegged
ever since. This not only had the effect of keeping Pagan Altar alive but also has now raised them to
cult status, funny how some things have a way turning full circle.
The original Demo, recorded in their own studio consisted of random tracks taken from various
themes that were written as a series of songs. ‘Judgement of the Dead’ is the conclusion to ‘March
of the Dead’ as ‘Reincarnation’ and ‘Pagan Altar’ is the finale to ‘Armageddon, The interlude and
‘The Aftermath’.
A good view of the coffin, complete with blood, and Altar complete with cobwebs
Pagan Altar tended to prefer to write in this manner and songs were constructed both
lyrically and musically to reflect the various circumstances and feeling within each given scenario.
The band considered that to produce a concept album at that stage might appear to be slightly
gratuitous and may only appeal to a limited audience. On reflection this would seem to have been
the case. As soon as the first issue of the Heavy Metal magazine ‘Whiplash’ with the favourable
Pagan Altar demo review inside had hit the streets and circulated throughout the U.S.A. the effect
was instantaneous, and the band were hard pushed to keep pace with demand. Mail arrived on a
daily basis and it was a full time vocation to answer every letter and package and send off the
multitude of requests for the Demo. This was however achieved with the help a number of
handmaidens who relished the task and were only too pleased to help when and wherever they
could!
The circumstances and events that transpired in this period of the band history created the
Pagan Altar enigma, far more than playing the various venues which only tended to keep the fan
base localised.
It is hard to comprehend that a chance meeting in an obscure rehearsal studio with Sam
Kress the editor of a previously unknown HM magazine would still be reverberating some 20 years
on.
PAGAN ALTAR, the name so typified the band, although pigeon holed with other supposed
Satanic orientated bands of the time, this was actually a misconception. If you were to look closer
you would find Pagan Altar had carved out a niche of their own. Although a lot of material was
devoted to different aspects of the dark side as it would appear from Vol.1 the overall picture of
their material as a whole covered a much wider spectrum.
Pagan Altar's musical style was also slightly different, guitar lead breaks and infill's were as
much an integral part of the song as the vocals and they played off one another like Morecambe and
Wise. This unison of compatibility is what helped make Pagan Altar what they were. If you listen
closely to middle passage of ‘The Wake of Armadeus’ in particular you will hear the guitar playing in
harmony with the vocals, I personally can’t recall anyone else doing that before!
Their music was constructed in such a way as to extract the maximum power from each riff.
The subtle changes of rhythm between riff sections give the impression of flowing and blending into
each other and so appear as a natural progression. Never one to overkill a riff Pagan Altar designed
each song with an overall viewpoint that gives the song a beginning, a middle and an end and so
becomes the complete, finished article.
An extremely tight not over-elaborate bass allows the drums to be both fluent and powerful
giving a free flowing, yet still rock solid foundation for the intricacies of guitar and vocals. A subtle
mix of gut wrenching power riffs and downright earthiness sit comfortably with Alan Jones’s lead
guitar sound some guitarists would give their right arm for! As a matter of note, for any interested
parties, Alan uses a Hagstrom ‘Super Swede’ with a Derringer pick up at the neck and a Demarzio at
the bridge. The Amp is a 100W Marshall Head (valve) through 2 x 4 x 12”s. The vocal line is set quite
low in the mix and this give the overall sounds an ambience and fullness that add to the feeling of
power. Amidst all, the music retains momentary wistful passages in contrast that make it compelling
and interesting. The feeling of emptiness generated in ‘Judgement of the Dead’ is so strong you can
almost smell the graveyard. The end result of which, is music that still stands up today after 20 years.
Over those years, people have likened Pagan Altar to this band or that band, but this just
substantiates my point and that Pagan Altar were a breed apart and the listener will read into the
music what they will!
The Line Ups
At this juncture I feel I should introduce the band formally, as I have previously been
speaking of them in collective terms. Also to give a brief insight into the bands history prior to the
formation of the final line up. Alan and Terry Jones (obviously related) lead guitar and vocals
respectively and founder members of Pagan Altar circa 1978/79. Trevor Portch, Bass, who having
seen them play at the 2001 club in Erith in 1981 came up and spoke to them afterwards, (I should
mention that Trev was dressed as Angus young at the time!). He answered their ad in 82 and stayed
to the bitter end. John Mizrahi, Drums, who after having had a finger blown off in action in Israel
decided it wasn’t for him and joined Pagan Altar instead! (You can make your own mind up whether
he made the right choice!). Alan came from Brockley, South East London from where the band was
based, Trevor hails from Slade Green, Erith in Kent, Terry originated from Rotherhithe, Bermondsey
in South East London and John from a bomb crater with an unpronounceable name somewhere in
Israel.
The band travelled to play a gig in Reading but was unaware that Ian Gillan was appearing
just down the road, so the audience was obviously somewhat thin on the ground. The prick thought
he would do a ‘Bill Ward’ and walk off stage with his gear following an argument. If you do it front of
thousands of people you make a point, to do it in front of a handful, you look like a pratt, nuff said.
Pagan Altar still went on stage, but as a 4-piece, they liked the sound and that’s how it stayed. The
following rhythm sections I thought I would include as being worthy of note for the part they played
in the evolution of Pagan Altar.
Before I leave the subject of ex band members it might well be as good a time as any to add
that Brian Cobbold or Mark Elliott could still have a major part to play in the final chapter of Pagan
Altar.
Throughout their existence Pagan Altar were gigging on a regular basis and played all the
notable ‘Heavy’ Venues in and around London. They always felt that they were heading in the right
direction and that something would materialise at some stage. Needless to say, it never did. At least
not at the time of asking! Extra cash was earned by hiring their studio and P.A. system at prices other
bands could afford and this allowed the band to make all-round improvements and upgrade
equipment over and above their general running costs.
I mention this only because the band considered that to seriously compete with other bands
that had an influx of real money you had to look, and more importantly sound, comparable. In the
majority of small and medium sized Venues there is usually no In-house P.A. so the options are, to
use your own or hire, and this can create something of a financial burden to the relatively smaller
bands.
Most people watching and listening to bands play never take into account the quality of the
sound system or sound engineer and consequently judge the band by what they hear. If either of
these critical factors is deficient it reflects on the band and tends to put them in a poor light.
Pagan Altar had no intention of leaving this to chance and everything was geared to improve the
sound at every opportunity. They did however have an ace card in the shape of sound engineer Phil
Hearne, a friend of the band, but I shall come back to him later. Even with the constant round of
playing and self-promotion they couldn’t seem to break the shackles of limited acknowledgement.
Reviews in the national music press were limited to a few lines and usually detrimental. This resulted
in a few skirmishes with the music press and a stinking article followed that probably did the band
no good at all. From this point on they were totally ignored and with no real way of responding the
only option was to carry on under their own steam.
Pagan Altar continued to persevere and progress in terms of searching for stage and musical
perfection of a music they believed in, and the visual stage aspect that accompanied it. To them it
was the complete article.
Early PAGAN ALTAR poster Circa 1980
Nothing or nowhere was safe from the demon fly posters. Anything with a flat surface was
fair game and was duty bound to receive a quick slosh of paste and a poster. It became almost a
competition as to who could plant a poster in the most unique and noticeable places. Moving buses
were always a good one. The doors of the pagan mobile could slide right back allowing complete
freedom to lean out and do the business whilst moving. Personally I still think the wallpapering of
Bow church late one Saturday night ready for the service in the morning was the piece de resistance!
On The Road
From mid-1982 onwards the band made great strides in all departments. The music had
never really been a problem, but now considerable time and effort went into to portraying the mood
and feel from a visual aspect. The stage act was perfected to a fine art and followed an on-going
theme that continued throughout the whole set beginning with 'Pagan Altar' and culminating in the
11 minute long ‘Armageddon’, which contained solos by each member of the band. The dual-
purpose and reasons behind the stage act were not only for the visual effect to accentuate the
theme behind the songs, but also as a means to get on stage. I certainly can’t recall any other band
of the time doing anything remotely similar and if there was, not one in the same position as Pagan
Altar. I have gone to great length later on in this bio to describe in lurid detail the whole beginning
section and the background behind the stage act. I consider it may also have some bearing on the
lack of achievement accrued by a band that obviously had a wealth of talent. I am not one to cast
aspersions so I won’t mention any names, but I do know that on at least two occasions when well-
known bands came to watch them play with a view to them filling support slots on tour, none of
which ever materialised. I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to why.
When Pagan Altar did manage to get a support slot it didn’t go quite according to plan either
the main band or I use the term loosely, heard them doing a sound check and flatly refused to go on
after them, Pagan Altar headlined!
Periodically Pagan Altar were booked to appear on the touring ‘Powerhouse’ Heavy Metal
road show. On one such occasion in ‘81 at a venue called ‘The Headstone’ all the preparation and
setting up had been completed and the band was sitting in the dressing room waiting to go on.
In walked a reasonably well-known band of the time and asked if they could use the bands
gear to play a spot after Pagan Altar had been on, apparently to promote their new single. Terry
pointed out that they were welcome to use their gear but as they were a five piece and Pagan Altar
was now only a four would that not cause a problem. The band in question replied that it wasn’t
important, as the crowd had all come to see them anyway. Fair enough, Pagan Altar went on stage
and really played well, Al had a field day and really let rip. Terry announced over the P.A. that the
other band was to follow them and play their new single. The other band refused to go on and just
sat on their arses and signed a few autograph.
The band would record material while they were
rehearsing and also during some live performances if the
right circumstances prevailed. They could then listen back
at leisure and make any necessary adjustments and
improvements. This was invaluable when working on new
material and also to look retrospectively at the existing
songs.
To return to playing the smaller venues just to keep gigging seemed to be a regressive step.
Agents were tried, most of them had no idea of what Pagan Altar was about and either booked
unsuitable gigs or just simply backed off. The only option left open was to hire venues and set the
gigs up themselves, and this they did. The only drawback with this, was that again, without the
publicity of the national music press, no one knew where they were playing, so to make it financially
viable it had to be localised to where the bulk of their fan base where
situated.
I appear to be painting a picture of doom and gloom, but this certainly was not my original
intention as nothing could be further from the truth. What I am attempting to portray however, are
the reasons and difficulties Pagan Altar had in reaching new pastures and consequently to a wider
audience at the time. Another vital factor, that could in all probability have resulted in a totally
different outcome for the band had it been achieved.
I have read some of the present day reviews from Distros around the world and it is
painfully obvious that I’m not alone in making this assumption! There is of course the other side of
the coin to be considered. If, at the time, Pagan Altar were to have been elevated to a brief period of
acknowledgement and then sunk into obscurity as happened to numerous bands resulting from the
media hype, we wouldn’t have the scenario we have with Pagan Altar today.
The e-mails from fans that have been sent to Oracle Promotions from around the Globe are printed
off and filed. This has given me an insight whilst preparing the background for this Bio, to read
through and gauge the effect that a band that was presumed as of no account at the time has had
on a fan base they were totally unaware of!
I have to say that I was both amazed and impressed at the loyalty and appreciation for the
music shown by fans after all these years made even more astounding when you think that there has
been only one album and very little information to go on! Young people from around the world, via
the Internet, are now seeing Pagan Altar in their true light and are latching on to the music and its
vibes, maybe Pagan Altar were ahead of their time and it has taken the rest of the world twenty
years to catch up!
The band themselves, or should I say the remaining members, (John’s probably off fighting a
war somewhere in Israel!) are totally knocked out by the response to the CD and have tried to fulfil
an avalanche of requests by resurrecting the old recordings, I will return to clarify the situation and
what has occurred Later!!!
I mentioned the integral part that Internet distros, magazines and fanzines now play in the
circulation of recorded material old and new and also in supplying background information on the
various bands. These outlets operate for the benefit of all concerned and are run by people with a
genuine love for the music whatever genre. They also possess an in-depth knowledge and
understanding of the music and are extremely loyal to the metal cause. A far cry indeed from twenty
years ago when everything was governed by a music press and ‘disc jockeys’ that were so far up
their own arses that they couldn’t see what was really going down. The odd begrudging review on a
heavy band was written by nerds sitting in their little offices playing along to the latest pop song on
their little acoustic guitars.
The ‘disc jockeys’ were just as pathetic, forty odd year old men making out they were in tune with
the youth of the day, waxing lyrical on how they just loved the latest outfall of sampled pop bilge
and how they must add it to their own record collection! From a media viewpoint the NWOBHM
wasn’t happening, at least not in England!
There were only three DJs that I can remember that actually played heavy music on their
extremely rare shows and they were Alan Freeman, Tommy Vance and whispering Bob Harris on his
30 minute a week slot ‘The Old Grey Whistle Test. These bastions of heavy rock music, as it was
called then, were pilloried and treated like lepers by the so called ‘with it’ brigade who appeared to
look down on them as being boring old dinosaurs!
The hierarchy that existed in the early eighties is thankfully no longer with us. As soon as it
was realised that the music newspapers were only good for wrapping Fish and Chips and just exactly
how much talent was required to put a piece of plastic on a turntable, their reign of incompetence
was over.
Too late it would seem for Pagan Altar! On the next page I have put together a few of many
quotes from various distros, magazines etc from around the World to excentuate the point of
difference in opinion between then and now. I will leave you to draw your own conclusions!
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Even a Christmas shopping expedition could not pass without incident. The band couldn’t be
bothered to unload the coffin after the gig the night before and left it in the back of the van. On
leaving Bromley shopping centre the next day, the Pagan-Mobile, full of Christmas cheer and
groupies wearing very little but a muff, was pulled over and stopped by a Plod-Mobile full of pigs.
They insisted on searching the van on the pretext of searching for bombs, as was norm during the
current spate of bomb scares. They really wanted a better look at the ladies, or gropies as they
called them. When they were told there was nothing in the back except a coffin it was greeted with
cynical sneers of disbelief. It was a pleasant experience to see their faces when they found it. Even
when told its occupant had been dead for 3 years they still refused to open it!
The Loaded Pagan-Mobile, complete with coffin on top hitting warp factor 5 over Blackheath.
Lewisham shopping precinct didn’t escape either, whilst on the way to play at the Tramshed
in Woolwich, the coffin was wired up to the van battery prior to setting out. When the van drew
alongside a bus stopped at traffic lights the coffin lid slowly opened oozing smoke. Its bored
occupants instantly saw the coffin, which was now at eye level with the top deck of the bus. The bus
was nearly turned over by people clambering to port to look inside….
An early attempt at a video also finished in complete debacle. The band decided to hire St
Peter’s church hall in Brockley, a Gothic monstrosity if ever there was one, but inadvertently forgot
to mention what kind of band they were. The warden, only too happy to take the thirty pieces of
silver offered said they could do what they wanted as long as they were out by the allotted time that
was etched in stone. Imagine the faces of the local church Burgers when they walked in to the
strains of the ‘Black Mass’ at 12 o/c to see what to them was the desecration of their church hall!
The Burgers were not amused to say the least, whilst drive it wasn’t. The ensuing mayhem was
hilarious…
The Old Studio
I have often wondered how much of the atmosphere inherent within Pagan Altars music and
certainly throughout the Vol 1 album can be directly attributed to the studio itself.
It was attached to a large double fronted Victorian house built on Church ground and situated on
what used to be crossroads. Rumour has it that witches were burnt in the location of the sign of the
cross that the crossroads would naturally form.
The area of about 500 yards surrounding the house was suspected of being cursed, a local
superstition that was gleaned from the long-time residents of the area. It was evident however that
no businesses ever flourished there; in fact they all went down the pan almost as soon as they
started. A local Turkish business centred there had gone the way of all flesh and they had actually
consulted their religious hierarchy to try to get the curse lifted, all to no avail! A large building
concern called Brian Whitty Ltd bought up a row of old shops nearby and turned them into office
space only to disappear almost overnight! Barwells a big removal firm next door went under and the
garage opposite had more owners than I’ve had hot dinners. Pagan Altar certainly had very little real
luck either! The house was somewhat daunting in appearance and very dark and overgrown which in
turn gave it a somewhat unfriendly feel. It also had the reputation locally of being haunted and the
longhaired occupants that frequented the place were all a bit odd anyway!
Mothers with young children on their way to school would cross the road rather than walk past the
house, an ideal and fitting home for a band called Pagan Altar one would think!
There are many occasions of strange unexplained happenings throughout the house itself but the
majority seemed to be centred in and around the studio. The band didn’t give too much serious
thought to the subject and assumed that any ghost that could stay in there with that volume would
by now have been profoundly deaf anyway. They have always been somewhat loath to mention any
of the odd occurrences in case it appeared a bit naff, for publicity reasons or to give the band an air
of mystique but I don’t have these same restrictions, I now have the opportunity to bring it to light. I
personally didn’t actually see anything particularly untoward in my time there but I certainly felt as if
someone was constantly watching me and heard odd sounds that were certainly not from any
instrument. Things would often go missing and then turn up again in totally different places but the
band tended to put that down to either drink or the late nights and so didn't really think too much of
it, but it did happen with alarming regularity.
There was a suggestion from the locals that the house was actually haunted by a woman, an
Irish girl named Mary Brown who allegedly died there rather mysteriously about the turn of the
century. This fact was substantiated with the use of a ouija board late one night when the
temperature in the studio dropped to such a low that rehearsing was uncomfortable to say the least.
From then on any odd happenings were put down to Mary!
It is a known fact however for generations past the female occupants of the house were affected
with mental problems!
One night the band was doing a late session as usual (the band tended to prefer working at
night,) and everyone had come out for a break except for the bass player Greg who wanted to run
through his part again? When the band eventually returned to the studio he was just sitting in the
corner too scared to move his face as white as a sheet and repeating "I've seen it, I’ve seen it".
Apparently he had seen the shadowy form of a woman in black cross the room then drop through
the floor. The band had stage lights in the studio to give a bit of atmosphere so perhaps it was a trick
of the light, but one things for sure he would only put his bass tracks down in the daytime and
nothing and I mean nothing would induce him to go back in there on his own again.
One of the roadies named Arron was left on his own in the studio for a short while to pack up some
gear ready to be loaded for a gig. When a couple of the band went in to see how he was doing he
asked, “Who’s the bird, I haven’t seen her before”. Obviously when everyone looked round to see
who he was talking about there was no one else in the room! Mind you he was pretty stoned as
usual. On another occasion the band where recording a track called ‘The Sorcerer’ and had just laid
down the main vocal line. They were in the process of doing a rough mix to see how it sounded
when they noticed a female voice singing along in harmony. No matter how many times they run it
through and listened no one could explain it! The bathroom and toilet was located off a landing
midway between two flights of stairs just outside the studio. It had at one time had a different use
probably as another bedroom of which there were many in the house. Terry having felt the need for
a piss headed up the first flight towards the landing as he neared the top the figure of a woman
dressed in black came out of the bathroom and silently passed up the second flight of stairs to the
top landing where she promptly disappeared, apparently into a room. Terry, thinking it was one of
the female occupants with a strop on from one of the numerous bedrooms off the top landing
shouted after her “Don’t fucking talk then!” It was only after coming out of the loo and banging on
her door that he found out she hadn’t left the room for hours, her door had been locked and she
had been laying on her bed listening to music with her headphones on! ! ! The purpose of this bio is
solely to give a background to the band so I won’t dwell on the subject any longer but I did think it
was worth a mention.
Pagan Altar was due to have a single pressed and issued by the Beatles Abbey Road studio in
late 1980. Everything went fine and the aluminium master was laid down ready for pressing when
some idiot shot John Lennon. The whole of the Abbey Road facilities were switched to producing
John Lennon recordings and previously unrecorded material, everything else was farmed out to
other pressing plants to relieve the pressure.
Pagan Altar didn’t particularly want to fall into this trap, but to be perfectly honest didn’t do
a great deal to deny it either.
Pagan Altar did however, work on a different principle, more what you can’t see the more
you imagine. A cloaked figure coming through the mist, carrying a candle with no discernible face or
feet becomes a being of mystery; the onlooker’s imagination then fills in the lack of information
obtained from his eyes with whatever he conceives this being to be. A good example of this is a child
lying in bed and peering into a dark corner of their room
and seeing whatever their imagination tells them is
lurking there.
The whole stage was set up to represent everyone’s conception of a satanic church,
(Stonehenge was a physical impossibility, ask Spinal Tap). On top of the P.A. system were two skulls
that burned Kyphi (Satanic Incense), the Altar draped in blue velvet with a large inverted cross, black
candles and burial urns covered in cobwebs. The complete set was bathed in a blue light. You now
have sight and smell all that was needed was hearing!
A roadie dressed as an undertaker, complete with battered top hat and wearing a latex
facemask of a white haired old man shuffled on stage, turned momentarily to glance at the
audience, then continued on to the Altar slowly reaching up to light the black candles on the top.
This was the cue for the Gregorian chant to start very quietly at first then slowly building, as
if getting nearer!!!! The coffin lid would slowly open and ooze smoke that lay on the floor like a thick
carpet. From the side of the stage mist and leaves blew in as if a large door had been opened.
Through the mist emerged three hooded cloak clad figures carrying candles (and guitars) slowly
walking in single file. As each member drew level with his respective amplifier, or drums, he stopped
and stood still waiting for the one in front to reach theirs. When the last one had paused opposite
his amp, they all turned as one, shuffled towards the Altar and placed their candles on the top. As
they did so, out of sight of the Audience, they plugged their guitar leads into their amps and
switched the Amps off standby. Then with heads bowed, in unison, they slowly turned in the swirling
mist to face the front of the stage, and waited. The Gregorian chant had now reached quite a level
and that was Terry’s Cue to come on. Walking assertively through the mist with black Dracula
shoulder cape flying, he would turn, face the Altar and raise his arms. The chant fades…. Still facing
the Altar the invocation ‘Samiel, I call you’ would ring out…. The rest you can hear at the beginning
of Vol. 1.
As the tempo speeded up at the end of the second verse Terry would spin round and the
front of the stage would instantaneously blow up. This had the effect of momentarily blinding the
audience enough for Terry on turning, to unhook and discard the cloak. By the time the audience’s
eyes had readjusted their focus Terry appeared to be dressed totally different, as if metamorphosis
had taken place on stage. As I have said before, pure
theatre!
A serious attempt was made recently to salvage something from these earlier recordings,
which took over a year. The tapes themselves were found to be in poor condition, after a time lapse
of nearly twenty years, and were causing considerable damage to recording equipment. All the
original multi-tracks laid down between 1982 and 1986 were recorded on AMPEX 406 tape, which
unfortunately had started to degrade (shed oxide layers). Even the master tape for the first album
vol. 1 is now unplayable and that was kept in a safe place. It was sheer luck to get all the tracks down
in one piece for the CD.
As Pagan Altars studio has ceased to exist for some time it was farmed out to Phil’s own
studio in Swanley, Kent to try to resurrect some live tracks. With overdubbing, sampling and lashing
sections together it no longer was Pagan Altar and consequently they finally give up.
The web site was repeatedly asked to remove what had always been an overoptimistic
venture, but as far as I am aware this has not yet been done! In fact when it was first suggested to
reproduce the albums they were asked not to put them on the site until it was certain they were of
high enough quality to be used, but the requests were ignored causing considerable confusion to all
and sundry! Although listed as the official Pagan Altar website the band actually had little or no
direct control over what was installed there and this has caused Oracle all sorts of problems. The
very fact that part of this bio is to be included on the website is a good indication that these
problems have now been overcome to the benefit of all and the whole project can now progress. An
abortive attempt to get recorded material circulated in the eighties was doomed to failure and being
partly my fault the less said about that episode the better! So what’s New!!!!
The necessity to issue the CD Vol. 1 (which should have been titled ‘Pagan Altar’) was
originally brought about, not for reasons of financial gain as some have suggested, but for the fact
that bootleg albums were being sold at exorbitant prices and honest fans were being ‘ripped off’, a
situation that couldn’t be allowed to continue. When this was brought to the attention of the
remaining members of Pagan Altar they decided to do something about it and Oracle Records and
Oracle Promotions was formed. The efficiency of both factions has fluctuated due to internal
wrangling, but now having been brought under one roof, so to speak, a drastic improvement should
be evident in the not too distant future!
A New Lease of Life
The circulation of the Vol. 1 CD was initially a bit slow to get off the ground but with more
than a little help from Russ Smith of ‘Black Tears’ Distro whose knowledge and assistance was
invaluable it wasn’t too long in making its presence felt.
Apparently the bootleg albums had been selling well since the mid nineteen eighties and had
gone through numerous represses. As this had always been the only previously known option of
obtaining Pagan Altar material this avenue had to be first diverted and then superseded. As the
purchasing cost of the bootlegs was set at the perpetrators asking price, which was considerable,
this wasn’t too difficult once word got around.
I personally have little idea of what the sound reproduction of the bootlegs was like but as it
could only have been taken from an early Demo it must have been piss poor by now!
As I’ve said before the reaction to and consequent demand for the Oracle CD has been
amazing especially in the U.S.A and Germany and has certainly surprised everyone, none more so
than the band itself. Imagine putting your heart and soul into something for eight years with no real
acknowledgement only to find after you have finally given up the ghost it had actually been alive and
kicking all the time.
Just in passing, I did notice on one metal website the vocals on the CD were described as
nasal! The person doing the review must have really listened closely because during the original
recording session three members of the band, including Terry had the Flu, their overriding memory
of occasion being speaker bins full of used tissues!
The financial aspect, such as it is, is of little or no consequence to the band itself and any
revenue received are channelled back into projects such as this bio and to try to bring Pagan Altar
from 1982 to the present day. The one thing that is of prime importance to the band though, is the
reaction and loyalty of the fans, which to them is priceless. After what has gone before this
experience is extremely gratifying and to receive E-Mails from fans all over the world some of which
have been around for twenty years is certainly a
new and unique experience to a band that
thought no one gave a shit! The constant demand
from fans for more Pagan Altar material inspired
the aforementioned aborted attempt to resurrect
the old recordings. The result of this failure and
the arguments that ensued as to whether or not
they were of a suitable standard to distribute
ended with someone’s car wearing most of the
tape! These slight altercations at 3am one
morning have now been resolved, much to the
relief of the neighbours, and has instigated plan
‘B’ which entails going into the studio and re-
recording the albums more or less the same as
the originals.
Mark Elliott had then been tracked down and seemed prepared to commit himself for once
but that was short lived and wasted a considerable amount of valuable time. As was the case before,
to get him to get off his arse and actually put himself out to do something was a major achievement,
so he was let back out to graze. Brian Cobbold, A drummer from the latter part of the bands
existence appeared out of the Ethos to take up pole position and that’s how the line up now stands.
His style of playing is somewhat different to Johns, very Neil Peart, whereas Mark is noticeably very
Jon Bonham.
It has always been a facet of Pagan Altars music to utilise the drums in such a way as to
enhance and accentuate sections of the material with their fluency and not just as a time keeping
part of the rhythm section. The constant subtle changes of tempo dictate that the drummer has to
be constantly aware of where he is at all times, which is probably why Pagan Altar burned so many
drummers out. Stoned or pissed you haven’t got a chance believe me I know!
Although probably no longer a live force Pagan Altar can still add their two penneth to
today’s Metal which in turn would be all the richer for it. It would seem from the information I have
gleaned whilst compiling this bio that the need for the kind of music they had so much faith in
twenty years ago is still all too apparent, I rest my case!
Although by no means a foregone conclusion, I have included what I believe to be to all
intents and purposes the front cover and track list for the first of the re-recorded albums. There are
a couple of changes from the original however; The Witches pathway has been moved to the third
album and Satan’s Henchmen installed in its stead. The Sentinels of Hate, a previously unrecorded
track has been added which if my memory serves me well will give the album balance.
The track order is still under discussion as to whether or not to make ‘March of the Dead’ or
the ‘The Lords of Hypocrisy’ the first track both have their merits but being the title track I suppose
‘The Lords of Hypocrisy’ should take poll position, but then again perhaps that’s a tad twee! Anyway,
as far as I am concerned getting them down without any major fallout is the main objective.
The photo on the album cover is of a ruined church situated on the road to Pluckley, Kent.
Pluckley village is reputed to be the most haunted place in England; rumour has it, sounds about
right for a Pagan Altar cover! The ruins themselves give a great pictorial perspective of the demise of
an age of hypocrisy in this Country spanning over a thousand years leaving a heritage of pain,
suffering and death in its wake.
I have it on good authority that this is to be the probable order of songs. I personally feel it
achieves its objective in giving the album the right balance and subtleness that is synonymous with
Pagan Altar.
There is a mode of discontent towards bands rerecording old material. I personally have no
problem with it and can think of numerous bands that have achieved a far better result the second
time round! Pagan Altar have no alternative, all other avenues to use and reproduce original
material have been tried and found wanting. They have however, no intention of changing the
original format and are Hell bent on reproducing the sound and feel that was their forte twenty
years ago.
It would be churlish of me to suggest that they won’t make use of some of the advantages of
modern recording techniques but only in regard to making life easier. Al’s guitar will still put a lump
in your throat or cut your guts in half! Whether or not Pagan Altar can pick up the threads of the
past we will see in the fullness of time!!!!
The theme of the ‘Lords of Hypocrisy’ album covers the full spectrum of the subject from the
personal side of human nature and culminating in the ultimate hypocrisy, Armageddon. The
proposed artwork for the CD itself is shown opposite depicting the old sorcerers head coming
through the atomic cloud. You can put your own connotation
as to its meaning!
These releases have the blessing of the band and have been put together with the
cooperation and assistance of Oracle so both are the genuine articles. Oracle themselves have no
interest in producing vinyl only in reproducing the Pagan Altar material on CD that would otherwise
have been lost forever.
Pagan Altar Guitarist Alan Jones had for some time been in close contact on a friendly basis
with guitarist Ola Blomqvist of Swedish doomsters The Doomsday Cult and a co-partner in I HATE
records. Alan sent Ola some very early P.A. material for Ola’s own information and interest certainly
with no prior intent in mind of taking it any further. Alan thought no one would still be interested in
it, but Ola liked the recordings to such a degree that he requested permission to bring it to light on
vinyl. The tracks ‘The Time Lord’ and ‘Highway Cavalier’ were
recorded in New Cross studios in late 1978 when Pagan Altar was a
five piece.
‘Judgement of the Dead’, ‘The Black Mass’ and ‘Reincarnation’ were recorded 1980/1ish and
were the first tracks to be recorded in the bands own studio which by now had been converted from
rehearsal to a recording studio. The equipment used then would now be considered very basic; an
eight track bounced down onto a Revox two-track but the end result certainly had an earthy feel to
it.
By This time Les Moody had gone under a bit of a cloud and a number of other rhythm and
second guitarist had fell by the wayside as I’ve mentioned earlier. Glen Robinson was still on bass
but Mark Elliot had now replaced me on drums. For the first time Alan laid all the guitar tracks down
for these recordings and that situation has existed ever since!
I must confess that I have weakened in my resolve not to
include myself too much and thought I would just slip this
photo in, that’s me on the left in case anyone’s interested!
This band promotional photo could never be used because
if you look very closely you will see that there is a twig
apparently going up Terry’s nose. It is actually two foot in
front of him and a lot clearer on the original, shame
though; it’s a damn good one of me!
Our early attempts at using smoke were very basic to say the least and consisted of a
convenient metal ashtray and some smoke pellets that I used to get from work, very toxic I believe!
It was set down out of sight beside the drums so at some point in a song I could surreptitiously bend
down and light them. Two pellets were enough to fill a hall but maths was never my strong point so I
just used to throw a handful on! Anymore than a couple and they usually burst into flame which
they invariably did catching light to the stage curtains on numerous occasions! My hit list included
The Newlands Tavern, Peckham, The Ruskin Arms, Bethnal Green, The Green Gate, Bethnal Green,
the Target Club, Reading and Woolwich Polytechnic etc. God knows how many pints of beer we
wasted putting them out!
Talking of the Ruskin, it was run by the ex-boxing champion Joe Lucy who used to call us
Smog because he reckoned his boxers couldn’t see a hand in front of their faces for smoke in his gym
upstairs for days after we had played there! I think they were just useless; they had enough trouble
catching and hitting the heavy bag!
Anyway, one night after one Pagan Altar extravaganza some girl took a bunny boiler liking to
me and kept trying to get on stage to get at me. Pissed she may have been but ugly she most
certainly was, everyone has a right to be ugly but she abused that right and was also built like a brick
shit house! She could have started World War three single-handed. I had just come off stage and
that was her chance, she came at me like a charging rhino knocking everything out of her path. One
of these items was a large cast iron chair that landed on Terry’s foot breaking it in two places. I
managed to get away but Terry spent the next month having to limp on stage, not exactly very rock
and roll! Incidentally, the Time Lord and Highway cavalier were recorded in two all-night sessions so
if any of the drumming is out of time, I was asleep!
The Black Widow vinyl issue is an absolute work of art and at last
reflects everything Pagan Altar had initially planned for the album.
The original name for the album was to be ‘Judgement of the
Dead’ but this fact was forgotten when the Oracle CD artwork was
sent for printing as was the title for the short acoustic guitar track
that was initially called ‘The Dance of the Banshee’. The person
responsible for handling the printing side of the proceedings
decided to put his own connotation to the titles and so Vol 1 and
‘Acoustics’ was born. To be honest the band members were totally
pissed off that someone with nothing to do with the music had
taken it upon himself to change the titles but it was too late and
too expensive to do anything about it. Black Widow has now put
this right and has restored the album and track title to its original format much to the final
satisfaction of Alan and Terry Jones. It’s about time someone got something right with this band!
The only problem and worry being as far as they could see was that fans may conceive it as a
new or different album and buy it under that misconception. Black widow has assured them that it
will be made perfectly clear to one and all exactly what is involved and this was the agreement made
before either Oracle or Pagan Altar would allow its reproduction. For nearly four years now Black
Widow have requested permission to reproduce the album but Oracle had always declined because
of the reasons above but having been reassured by Massimo of BWR that all precautions would be
taken they finally agreed. Black Widow true to their word have spared no expense, even the artwork
has cost an arm and a leg! From a collectable viewpoint I believe that BWR have certainly produced
a fitting tribute to the band that has been long overdue. The quality of which should in turn help to
elevate Pagan Altar to the status they should
have always occupied!
I understand there is also a proposed vinyl issue of the first album due out sometime in the
future in Greece but at this moment in time I have very little information on what shape or
form it will take! What I do know however is that the motivation behind this effort is Panos
Tsioubris a staunch fan of the band for years who is at present engaged in putting together a
record label of his own.
Always on the side of the underdog, having been one themselves for years, the band have agreed to
let Panos use the Pagan Altar material to help get his label going!
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This is the original photographic artwork for the first album cover, although never used I still
feel that it would have stood up today even with all the flamboyant artwork that’s around. To me its
sheer Gothic simplicity makes it appealing and no one could be under any illusion as to exactly what
the album contained! I have often been fooled when searching for new material by the artwork on
the album cover that depict great scenes of artistic licence only to find that the music inside is shit. I
wouldn’t think for one minute that I’m alone in being caught out in this way! The band photograph
on the front cover of this bio was to be the centre fold of the album and the back cover was plain
black with the lyrics printed in white. I have searched high and low but have been unable to locate
the artwork for the back cover anywhere. A series of promotional photographs were taken in a
Satanic church in Deptford about 1980/81 but they tended to look totally staged and naff and were
promptly abandoned. I did still manage to rake out one remaining specimen though! See below. As I
have mentioned before this kind of staged publicity was the ‘norm’ with a quite a few metal bands
of the time. Pagan Altar thought they would give it a try with the help of some friends who actually
were deeply into the occult. Having looked at the proofs in retrospect they saw it as being somewhat
pretentious and all a bit sad and so gave up on the idea!
Although there may seem a lot of photographs of the band there were certainly three times
that amount thrown in the bin. Photographers when filming heavy bands feel that they have to
make them look sombre and mean. A hard job I’m afraid with our intrepid bunch, they couldn’t keep
a straight face for more than ten seconds if they were lucky, so the photographer had to be really
quick! Obviously in the photo below he wasn’t quite quick enough! The Gregorian chant at the
beginning of the first album was an absolute nightmare for Phil. All they had to do was stand around
the microphone facing one another and sing the harmony chant in unison. They must have had at
least twenty goes at it and finished up with two. Either one or other would start pissing themselves
laughing, it was meant to have four rounds but they had given up by then and settled for the two!
Videos were in their infancy in 82/83 and attempts outside of professionally organised and
heavily financed promotional efforts normally had a limited success rate but never the less another
impromptu live one was attempted after the debacle of St Peters Church. Some friends of John the
drummer were enlisted to supply and operate the cameras and that certainly made a subject change
for them, as it was common knowledge that both usually operated in a porn studio in Soho but
unfortunately you can’t film a band in the same manner. The video was to be shot during a live
performance at the Tramshed. A favourite venue of the band and one that had all the facilities
needed and could also be guaranteed a full house. Everything seemed to be in order and on the day
every precaution had been taken to ensure that all the essential parts of the stage act were actually
captured on film but as usual it got totally screwed up.
To this day I am still mystified as exactly what happened to the whole of beginning because
it certainly wasn’t on the video! The cameraman had probably seen a tasty bit of totty and as old
habits die-hard found her much more interesting and decided to film her instead!
They had been told to stay in front of the PA system so the sound would be constant but as
they were used to crawling all over the place trying get the most intimate shots they were
everywhere, climbing all over the stage, knocking over and disconnecting pyro connections as they
went!
The resulting sound track on the video was consequently all over the place and no amount
of remixing later could clean it up. As every band knows the onstage sound is mixed totally
differently to that emanating from the front and is governed by the requirements of the individual
musician. Another factor that also was ignored was the sheer volume of the band. If the camera had
been set up at the rear of the theatre it would have stood a chance but from where they were
positioning themselves it didn’t have a hope in Hell! The Microphone was blown to bits and
everything was compressed out of sight. As I said previously videos were in their infancy and the
shortcomings of the sound recording side had not been fully investigated. Now even a five year old
knows you can’t ram 3000 Watts down the throat of a microphone that had been constructed for
speech and had only known the grunts and groans of the participants in a porn movie but it has at
least given me a wealth of live pictures!
I was under the impression when I started this bio that I could just throw a few pages
together and add a few pictures and that would be it. It now seems to be turning out like a sequel to
War and Peace and appears to becoming my life’s work having never previously written anything
longer than my own name! During the time it has taken me to put it together the situation has
constantly changed, moved forward and required updating etc. In addition, certain aspects and
photographs previously forgotten or mislaid at the offset have now come to light and have been
included. This may give the appearance of making the chronological order of the bio seem
somewhat disjointed and for that I apologise but I’m
certainly not starting again! I don’t profess to be a
writer and according to some I wasn’t a musician either
but I have read various bios before attempting to write
this one and to be truthful have found some of them to
be somewhat dry, impersonal and pretentious. There
seems to be a trait of long in-depth investigative
literature on how meaningful the music is and the self-
sacrifice needed to create it. I have endeavoured to try
to make this one somewhat light-hearted for a change
and included facts along with a considerable amount of
associated trivia that seems to be what the fans really
like to know.
Anyway, back to the business in hand. Terry would be the first to admit the limitations of his
vocal range and could only get through a gig with the help of a packet of ‘Fisherman’s Friends’ as
seen opposite! He did however have an extremely good knowledge of vocal timing that he could call
on when the need arose to get him out of trouble on stage. This ability, allied to the fact that he
could also write good lyrics was invaluable when composing new material, as Alan’s sense of timing
and odd use of the accent within the music was similar. Terry was also instrumental in the
arrangement, feel and direction of the music, spending hours splicing Al’s original taped ideas
together to arrange the songs to make the complete
article. If there were any sections that required
changing or a different slant he would explain to Al
what was required, Al would toddle off for a few
minutes and return with about five variations of the
same theme, it was then a simple matter to insert
the most suitable. Alan was without doubt the
musical guru behind all the Pagan Altar compositions
with an inexhaustible supply of power riffs and leads
breaks with so many different variations and feels. I
have always thought that Al is one of the most
underrated guitarists ever and should, in my opinion
have achieved far more recognition. This may of
course be due to some extent to the shortage of
recorded material available at present so perhaps
with the release of the ‘Lords of Hypocrisy’ and the
‘Mythical and Magical’ albums this little oversight
may be rectified in the not too distant future and be obvious to all.
Trevor was very much the quiet one but his input was never the less extremely important. A
stickler for detail and timing Trev would give great thought as to how the bass parts could benefit
the music as a whole and wouldn’t settle for anything less than what he considered to be his best
shot! Trev was also very good at making stage props in the Co-Op engineering workshop where he
worked, many of which are still in existence today. The construction and internal workings of the
coffin were down to him.
On the first album Trev kept things rather straight because of John’s style of drumming but
his ability and versatility is more prevalent on the forthcoming albums as the percussion is played in
a more forthright manner in certain areas giving more scope for some telling bass work. When it
came to arranging material Trev was left very much to his own devices and invariably came up with
the ideal bass line. Trev and John worked very closely together at keeping the bottom end tight and
always sorted out between them who would keep things straight and who would supply the
augmentation.
John varied musical background gave him an extremely wide range of rhythms and fills and
he could supply countless variations of rhythm to the same section of music.
When he first phoned in answer to the add for a drummer he had asked if the band minded the fact
that he was an Israeli and was promptly told “We don’t care if your green and speak Martian as long
as you can play the drums”. This immediately endeared John to the band and that relationship
remained constant throughout. The band during their time together always respected one another’s
ability as well as getting on amicably on a personal level.
This compatibility and respect made Johns leaving very strange indeed, as he always seemed
perfectly happy in what he was doing and the way he was allowed the freedom to musically express
himself. He just turned up one day with another guy and said, “I’ve got to go” hurriedly packed up
his gear and left, no one has seen or heard of him since!
I always felt that after John left things were never quite the same and something went out of
the band. Numerous drummers followed and were quite good in their own way but for some reason
it never quite gelled as before. One guy, another John, had a massive double bass drum kit, each
bass drum was five foot long but mind you he was six foot four himself so he and his drums suited
each other!
If you look at the on stage picture on the front cover of the first album you can see them
quite clearly. He himself was a very solid and powerful drummer but perhaps lacked a little bit of
fluency and subtleness, which in turn maybe detracted somewhat from the lighter passages of Pagan
Altars music. I suppose you could point the finger to when Israeli John left as being the time when
the music had to change somewhat to compensate and perhaps move on, I’m not saying it was any
better or any worse, just different and to be honest I liked the direction it was heading
Initially Pagan Altar had always been somewhat loath to use keyboards except solely for the
purposes of effect. They considered that they would have a tendency to take over and change the
structure of the music if used to any greater degree but needless to say towards the end the use of
keyboards had become more prominent and also the occasional use of Electric drums. The whole
feel of the music was now moving away from the basic three piece with its somewhat earthy sound
and being replaced by a much more involved musical variation of the original themes. The
broadening of these horizons gave the band scope to carry the music a stage further with many
more options to hand. Obviously with some songs it didn’t quite work and these were left as they
originally were. Satan’s Henchman, Night Rider and The Witches Pathway being a case in point but
many benefited greatly and were given a new lease of life and depth as a direct result of the
progression. The early basic arrangements of the material as demonstrated on the ‘Time Lord’ vinyl
album differ considerably from the slightly later Oracle ‘Pagan Altar’ CD. A clear indication of how
the band had started to introduce keyboards
to give mood and variation to the basic sound
of a three/four piece line up.
In came this guy named Bob dressed in a brown monks habit and sandals with his
Stylaphone on legs tucked under his arm. His equipment was somewhat basic but it was far more
state of the art than his brain, he could completely forget everything taught him almost immediately
and had a memory span of about two minutes. He could make a goldfish appear to have the intellect
of Einstein! Alan had to go through each of his keyboard passages with him line by line while he
recorded them! The keyboards in the Black Mass are considerably lower than they should have been
because by the time he’d been told how it went, gone through it and got ready to record, he’d
forgotten it, so Phil just put it lower in the mix!
I don’t know if he was just totally stoned, thick or what but it took longer to get those
keyboard parts down than the rest of album put together! The band had previously laid their tracks
down really quickly and more or less done them in one hit! Whether or not Bob is aware his efforts
of over twenty years ago are still being heard all over the World I haven’t got a clue but then again
he probably wouldn’t remember doing them anyway!
What made things even more bizarre was that at the same time as the band were laying
down the demo the Pagan Altar studio was also being used by a God fearing guitar playing Reverend
who was recording some demo tracks he had written to the glories of the right hand path! So on the
same reel-to-reel tape you had songs such as The Black Mass etc mixed with such heavy metal gems
as God is my Saviour, Alleluia! Weird or what? And so it came to pass that the gods were eventually
mightily pleased with their creation and sent it forth to spread the word to the four corners of the
known World, well, to America anyway, and if you have read this far you already know what
happened next!
I have read countless reviews and articles on the band and their music since I started to
write this bio and the overwhelming consensus of opinion that repeatedly emerges, allied to the
accolades with regard to the composition of the music in general, is the feeling of atmosphere within
the songs that is still as effectual now as it was when it was written. So the conclusions drawn as to
the direction, progression and feel required, reached by Alan and Terry in 1982 as described on the
previous page would appear to have been correct as usual! I then again have to ask myself the same
question as before, why wasn’t this seen and utilised by someone in a position to exploit it at the
time?
The reason I have gone down this particular road is as a prelude to the forth-coming albums
and at the same time attempt to explain the musical changes and evolution that is evident within
these later recordings. The horizons reached in the first album have been expanded and surpassed
with the resurrection of the ‘Lords of Hypocrisy’ and will be pushed even further when the Mythical
and Magical’ album finally surfaces again. All the songs on both the aforementioned albums stand
up in their own right. Pagan Altar were never one to believe in ‘fillers’ to pad out an album and every
effort is made to achieve the maximum effect for each subject dealt with! The same subtle principles
used when devising the original stage act are incorporated within each song and the listener has
only to open their mind to be part of it.
I would assume the majority of Pagan Altar fans have already acquired this ability and look
much deeper into the soul of the music to relate to the underlying feels and vibes generated that is
as much a part of the addiction as the songs themselves. The rhythm, pace, timing and overall sound
is carefully calculated to reflect the meaning behind the lyrics and this becomes more evident when
viewing the whole spectrum of Pagan Altar’s compositions. To try to assess Pagan Altar’s
contribution to the metal World on the strength of just one album could be grossly misleading!
As I have said previously Pagan Altar have always had a knack of combining the music, subject
matter and resulting atmosphere to create songs that to my mind at least stand out as original
individual works in their own right that truly reflect what is intended! Whether or not this coincides
with most peoples conception of what Pagan Altar are about I have no way of knowing and only the
manner in which the new issues are critically received will reflect this! If it is expected that the
forthcoming albums will be just doom-laden dirges about Satan and death I’m afraid the listener will
be sorely disappointed! One has to sometimes look below the surface to find the true meaning
within the songs such as the ‘Masquerade’ for example, the musical passages of which define life’s
merry-go-round or carousel! With ‘Armageddon’ the political build up, deployment of armies and
resulting mayhem is put to music leading into the emptiness of the ‘Interlude’ and culminating in the
finality of the ‘Aftermath’. It is this kind of approach to music that I for one find intriguing and to my
mind elevate Pagan Altar above the norm’ but you do have to look for it. The music can at last be
presented and expressed to its full potential in the manner it was originally written and convey the
full depth and feeling held within the various themes.
Attempts are frequently made to pigeonhole Pagan Altar into the Doom genre, I’m not quite
sure if this is, in effect accurate, after all what constitutes Doom? I am by no means a connoisseur of
doom as it is today and cannot make up my mind as to whether it is the slow dirge type riffs with
guttural vocals or the subject matter that is the relevant factor? If it comes down to subject matter
Pagan Altar have it in abundance but due to they’re occasional somewhat subtler approach maybe
the Doom factor can sometimes be hidden or missed under the guise of lighter songs or passages
that don’t necessarily follow the general Doom pattern! I personally find that with Pagan Altar it is
more the concept of impending or resulting doom brought about by the mistakes of the past or
warnings of the future mixed with analytical assumptions that is prevalent and these don’t always
require the same heavy treatment! As I said at the start of this bio Pagan Altar do have their own
niche.
Recording ‘Lords of Hypocrisy’ Album
Pagan Altar got back into the recording studio to record the album "The Lords of Hypocrisy.
Crumbling Religion subsides into dust and retreats into obscurity. The tower of Babel rises again in
the path of his Majesty.
I thought I would give Brian Cobbold a mention in the right place because Brian was quite
instrumental in the reforming of the Pagan Altar the second time around and was involved at the
start of the album The Lords of Hypocrisy. Neither me nor my dad knew anything about computers,
the internet or even how to turn a computer on at that time and it was Brian who found out about
our demo tape (volume one) being sold at a phenomenal price. He also helped us with getting the
first album out.
Although the recording never worked out and he never played a gig with Pagan altar he was
actually in the band for about a year and he did play drums for Malac’s Cross with me in the early
90’s.
The ‘Lords’ album at this moment in time seems to have taken forever to finalize and it
would appear to have become a two horse race as to who will pass the finishing post first, Pagan
Altar with the album or me with this bio, still what else would I possibly be doing if I wasn’t sitting
here writing this! To be fair, the usual catalogue of trials and tribulations has again befallen the band
throughout the recording of the album and there have been numerous occasions when they
seriously thought of forgetting the whole idea and just letting it die. Firstly, they lost the use of the
Pagan Studio after all the hassle and finance to put it back together again after years of neglect. The
local Council have a number of plans for the area and the Pagan Altar Studio is certainly not one of
them! Another studio had to be found and rigged out post haste. Terry had to convert part of his
house for the purpose and albeit somewhat makeshift for the time being at least the recording could
still carry on! The sound of the drums and the drums in general for that
matter has been a major insurmountable problem! The drum parts to the
whole album had been recorded five times and were nowhere near right in
the bands eyes. The trouble with this scenario is that guitar and vocal parts
have all to be re-recorded again as well to compensate for the deviations in
real time. Band members having already been hard pushed to find the time
within various personal and family commitments now had to do it again
and again. It had got to such a point that something had to be done and
done quickly. Another drummer had to found that could actually play the
way Pagan Altar required. Ex-drummer Mark Elliott was brought in at the
eleventh hour to try to resurrect things before all the momentum had been
lost completely and the band made to look decidedly stupid. Terry was
adamant he wasn’t going
to release the band’s music if he wasn’t totally
happy with it especially as it had waited all this
time to be heard! After the debacle of trying to
resurrect the earlier material and the failed
attempt at overdubbing the live stuff it would
have been ludicrous to settle for anything other
than what could be termed at least a reasonable
facsimile of the original. Mark had previous
knowledge of most of the material from his time
with the band but that was over twenty years
earlier. His wife has been suffering from a long-
term illness, which meant his time for rehearsing
was quite limited and was the reason he had declined the initial offer to play on the album! Even so
within a very short period he had put the songs together enough to record. It actually only took him
one and a half days to record the whole album and the result of this necessary change of drummers
to finally get the album finished did have some minor repercussions however, in as much as some
rather nasty innuendos were left on various site forums under an assumed name but everyone
including the thread organiser knew whom the author really was! , what a waste of the previous
year and a half!!!!
The reaction of the fans was amazing and they were queuing up to lambaste the dirty deeds
perpetrator, a one ‘Albertnemesis’ in the bands defence, so much so that the troops had to be called
off in the end. If ever the band needed confirmation of their fans loyalty this was it!
Terry had long requested the Pagan Altar website be updated as it was looking decidedly drab and
dated compared to what was on offer elsewhere. No action had been forthcoming in this
department so he had taken it upon himself to organise and set up a new version; with hindsight it
was lucky he did as the old one was closed down immediately and a stupid childish message left in
its place as a direct result of the necessary personnel changes. As I have said before, from a
drumming point of view you need to have your Pagan Altar head on to play their music otherwise it
just doesn’t work! The photo opposite
depicts the main members of Pagan Altar
who finally completed the ‘Lords of
Hypocrisy album and I suspect will be the
line-up that will record the remaining
albums. In saying main members this
term in no way demeans the input of the
supporting cast whose contribution has
made the album the total success it has
now become!
At that time all bands and music of that ilk were joined together under the one banner with
the fans loyalties usually divided by their own personal liking for one particular band or group as
they were called then although they would still go to watch and support certain other bands they
considered Heavy! The scene is far more fragmented now and bands that do not fit into a certain
small category are usually considered of no account or dismissed, not for their ability but for the
music they play! To me this has an underlying tendency to weaken the field of Metal music as a
whole, united we stand divided we fall springs to mind!
Val The intro to the 'Lords of Hypocrisy'
As far as I am aware there seems to be a consensus of opinion that there is no place for
female vocals within the true Doom genre but I really don’t concur with this theory. If used to their
full potential as and when required they could be as versatile as another instrument and far more
haunting. I believe Pagan Altars introduction and utilisation of Val within the production of their
material has achieved this effect to perfection. It would not surprise me in the least if after the
release of the ‘Lords’ album to find other bands of a similar ilk following suit and expanding their
horizons in the same manner! As the youngest member of a large family growing up in Glasgow in
Scotland at a time when all the shipyards were closing Val is probably more aware of what the reality
of doom feels like than the majority of people reading this bio and I think this is self-evident in the
depth of feeling she puts into her performance! The recording of the album in July 04 was
interrupted by the need to produce a previously unknown song for a U.S radio station ‘The Old
School Metal Show’. The album is of a collection bands from around the Pagan Altar period so they
should be in good company. For more information you could do worse than contact Mike Grindstaff
the DJ whose baby it is at grinder@nwobhm.net . The band weren’t too sure exactly what was
required so two Pagan Altar tracks were submitted ‘The Witches Pathway’ and the ‘Flight of the
Witch Queen’ both from the ‘Mythical and Magical’ album and both different in their own way. After
much deliberation and soul searching by the producers it was finally decided to use the ‘Flight of the
Witch Queen’.
The intro chant at the beginning of the first album was always going to be a hard act to follow so
the best thing to do was to go for realism. The first track on the ‘Lords’ album being the ‘Lords of
Hypocrisy’ and one that deals with all the double standards that exist within the church of today you
wouldn’t think it would create too much of a problem to get realism seeing as how there are numerous
churches dotted all over the place, but it does rather depend however on what you intend to do there!
Having previously tried and failed to get the right atmosphere in the studio our intrepid bunch toddled off
to St Mary’s church in Cobham, Kent via ‘Ye Olde Leather Bottle’ public house to try their luck in the right
surroundings to match the song. Jazz pianist Jack (Jazzy) Carter (No relation to Lynn of Oracle) went along
to try his luck with the church organ and tickle the ivories if he was given half a chance! The usual
entourage were there flower arrangers, wardens and general busy bodies and hangers on who think you
should know how much the roof cost to repair, the exorbitant cost of the upkeep of the church and of
course their infallible knowledge of the church and its history, for Christ sake they’re the biggest land
owners in the World surely they can pay for their own new roof? They viewed our little bunch with a
certain amount of interest but were too full of themselves to ask what the song was about or what its
implications were! We lost Val for about half an hour while she was frog marched around the church on
an enforced guided tour of the windows? She would have been much happier if Quasimodo had offered
her a guided tour of the bars in the old Tudor pub opposite. When things were set up and ready to go and
‘Jazzy’ had had a little plonk around on the organ they were quite happy to let a woman of obvious
devout Catholic upbringing sing Latin in an angelic voice and settled down to watch. Not so happy though
when a longhaired individual in shades started replying in Latin from the pulpit about the day of Satan! I
think it was about then that the penny dropped and questions were asked as to the name of the band and
the album. Terry just couldn’t resist this and gave them the full SP, the faces and stammering that
followed was a joy to behold but they didn’t argue too much when we put about a tenner (£10) in the
poor box, still that should buy them a couple of tiles for the roof!
Below Terry reciting Isaiah chapter 36 verses 12 to 13 and Val admiring Jack’s Big Organ
After finally surmounting all the obstacles with regard to the recording of the album you would
think that the final simple aspects of pressing and
printing would have been a mere formality, but I’m
afraid not with this band! The whole artwork had to be
converted into Quark format before it could be printed
which of course delayed the proposed release date for
some three weeks and then a fault was found with the
jewel cases that creased and distorted the covers which
in turn delayed it even further. The whole lot had to be
reprinted and done again, typical! That said, all the crap
that had preceded the release was soon forgotten once
it finally saw the light of day and started to circulate. The
mood had obviously been kick started and set in motion
by an excellent review of the album written by Rich Walker (Miskatonic Foundation) for the U.S
based ‘Hell Ride Music’ site, which certainly stirred up a considerable amount of initial interest
from many respected quarters, which has continued and is still accelerating up to the time of
writing. Many excellent reviews followed, the Literary standard and grasp of expression of the
various authors is of such an extremely high standard and calibre that rather than let them be lost
forever after only a few short weeks to languish in the various Zine
and website ‘reviews archive sections’ they have been collected,
with the consent of the composers, and installed on the bands
website for all to read for the foreseeable future! If just a fraction
of this positive reaction had been forthcoming all those years ago
who knows what would have transpired! The upshot of this surge
of activity has led to a further fortuitous widening of the bands
horizons with Pagan Altar now being accepted in other areas of our
favourite music. For example a considerable amount of albums
have been circulated through many sites that deal mainly with
other Genres i.e. Stoner rock etc which probably would have been
unthinkable before the release of the ‘Lords’ album! The new
release has also generated a resurgence of interest in the first
album, which has now almost moved into the realms of folklore to
some. Many new bands openly admit that this album and Pagan Altar in general for that matter
had greatly influenced their early musical beginnings and I feel there is no greater compliment one
musician can pay to another! The question of supply and demand also applies to I Hates ‘Time lord’
vinyl with Oracle receiving many requests with regard to where and how to obtain it but having
been a limited edition it is now becoming increasingly rare! Perhaps with hindsight Ola of I HATE
RECORDS should have initially upped the ante and had considerably more pressed before it
eventually finds its way onto E BAY at a ridiculous price or some bright spark decides to bootleg it!
To be truthful I don’t think he and most certainly Pagan Altar themselves had the remotest inkling
that the demand would reach the level it did!
End of an Era
I suppose the only thing left to add is what happened to the various band members after the
demise of Pagan Altar.
By end of 1984/5 the NWOBHM was well on the wane with other genres of music taking its
place. There were a few half-hearted attempts to rekindle what had once been but it all now
seemed rather a pointless exercise. To the band, they had given it their best shot and whatever way
you look at it at the time of the bands dissolution to them they appeared unsuccessful, it was time to
move on. John Mizrahi had previously left and the chore of finding a replacement was a daunting
prospect. A couple of drummers fitted the bill including Brian Cobbold and things picked up briefly,
but the soul had gone from the band. Alan decided enough was enough and disappeared off to
Wales to play in a band called XYZ that was touring and laying some tracks down in The Enid’s
recording studio in Cambridge, he returned some two years later. He then formed various bands
again in an effort to put across his own music, which by now had evolved into Rock music with a
more Celtic feel. The more notable being ‘Iceni’ and a band that I consider to be of outstanding
quality in their particular field ‘Malacs Cross’ soon to have their first album out on Oracle, Perhaps
like Pagan Altar it will take 20 years before anyone recognises their potential as well? Trev’s fortunes
followed a similar pattern, in an effort to produce his own music he formed a number of bands with
little or no impact, probably ‘The Goon Squad’ being the most successful. He still carried on
recording bits and pieces of his own material but it was more for personal satisfaction than serious
intent.
Bill Carter, Terry’s father-in-law, who had always believed in Pagan Altar, insisted on
supplying the initial financial backing to launch the Oracle project and after a few teething problems
it is now on an even keel. With the forthcoming issues of the re-recorded Pagan Altar albums later in
the year the band feel that perhaps it will in some small way repay the loyalty and patience shown
by so many, which to be perfectly honest is actually the main reason the band are doing it. As
someone once said “There you have it”.
I think now is about time to carry on with the story of the band. Unfortunately Ivor T Harper
is not around anymore to finish off the last part so it is left to me (Alan Jones) to try and put it all
down the best I can and mention some of the things that happened offstage as well as onstage.
Before I go on I would just like to thank my two sisters Jen and Rachel who without covering for me
every time I went away I would never been able to have done any of this.
Jen Rachel
I will start this from after Mark and Trev had departed from the band, mainly because it is a good
starting point and apart from a photo shot we never really got anything going.
Diccon had joined after Rich Walker had put us on to him and we did have a second guitarist
for a while called Matt who wasn’t really with us for that long and never actually played a gig with
us, but it was worth giving him a mention because he was a nice guy and we all liked him. He
defiantly won first prize for the most inventive and outlandish excuses for not turning up for
rehearsals .He was a fantastic player while playing on his own, but just couldn’t seem to get it
together playing with a band. I think the last straw came when we had a rehearsal in front of about
fifteen friends and he virtually fell to pieces.
Total Rock Interview Spring 2007
I haven’t got a precise date for this but we was invited to do a radio interview for a DJ called
Greenz for Total rock radio up near Demark Street London in the spring of 2007.We had never done
anything like this before and we probably seemed like a bunch of kids. It is funny because you are in
this little soundproof room talking and totally forgetting that people are listening to what you are
saying.
The first line up for playing live was Pete Dobbins on Drums and Rich Walker on guitar who had been
championing our albums for a while and was quite familiar with the music and Diccon Harper on
bass. My Dad had asked Rich if he would like to play live with us after Matt had left and he was more
than happy to step in.
After a couple of months rehearsing we were ready to play our first gig. Most people think
the ULU London was our first gig, but it was actually the Fenton pub in Leeds on the 9th of September
2007 which we used as a warm up for the ULU a week or so later on the 19th of September.
From the airport it was a four hour drive to the venue split between two cars. Although
Peter was a lovely lad he could talk the hind legs off a donkey which for me a Diccon who had to
share the car with him was mind numbingly tedious. I have never known anybody talk for so long
about nothing. When we got out of the car at the other end we were both absolutely knackered.
On the night of the gig we were about half way down the bill which at festivals is quite a nice
place to be because you go on at a reasonable time and get to talk to people after you have come
off. We put on a good show that night and got a great response back from the audience. We still
found it hard to get our heads around the fact that these songs we had written in our house in
Brockley were being sung along to by people in Germany.
The time the gig had finished and we had got back to the hotel it wasn’t worth going to bed
because we had to be ready for the train at five A.M for Rotterdam and the Dutch Doom day. We
stayed up with the guys from Hyrax until it was time to go. Unfortunately Peter had gone a bit far
with the drink and we had to virtually carry him to the train station. The train went through
Germany and Holland with him snoring and farting all the way while the Germans on the train gave
him plenty of room because he was beginning to get a bit whiffy. Once we had got to the venue
Peter was still the worse for wear and for quite some time had disappeared off the face of the earth.
We finally found him still sleeping it off behind the stage.
Just before going on stage I thought I would go to the toilet. It was behind the stage and was
part of the kitchen so it was for the bands use only. I had been a couple of times before and thought
I would just go before going on stage. As some people know my eyesight is really bad so when some
bright spark put the white seat with a scratched circle in the middle down I was never going to see it.
What made it even worse was that I was actually looking at what I thought was the basin and
wondering why my legs started to feel wet. Five minutes before going on stage I was on my hands
and knees clearing up a large puddle and trying to dry the legs of my jeans under to hand dryer.
The gig itself went quite well, but there was trouble looming and a bit of an atmosphere.
Peter was the first to receive the Black spot (Treasure Island) and we were left to find a new
Drummer.
It took a while to find another drummer and we tried quite a few people. You need a person
to have the right mix of personality, ability and to be able to fit in with the rest of the band. Diccon
on the off chance phoned an old friend he knew from South Africa who was living in London and had
played in bands in South Africa, Germany and England.
At the rehearsal it only took a few bars of Pagan Altar to know Andy Green was the right
man for the job and it didn’t take long before we asked him if he was interested in playing with the
band.
The guys that looked after us on this show did a great job for us it was a pleasure to play in
that lovely old place. I also got a chance to see the two cranes that built the Titanic at the Harland
and Wolf which was a real thrill for me.
If ever there had been a world record for snoring my dad would have been undisputed
champion. We were in the same room at the B&B for this gig and although I have been away with
him before it’s never been in the same room. It normally takes a while for me to get asleep and
although it doesn’t have to be dead silent I was never ever going to get asleep that night with the
equivalent of a jumbo jet taking off in the next bed. The thing is as soon as his head hits the pillow he
is out like a light. At about four in the morning he got up to go to the toilet and found me on the
floor with the covers wrapped round me, and still awake. Sometimes for a brief while he would stop
snoring and that was worse because it seemed like he had stopped breathing and that kept me
awake as well. Rich was snoring in the next room as well just to put the whole thing into stereo. By
the next day I was completely spaced out and it took the whole day to wake up.
I don’t know where they had come from but someone gave one of the band members their
lucky Irish Pants which we had a bit of fun with. I put them on my guitar for the first song Pagan Altar
for a laugh but one actually noticed.
There is so much history in Athens and some of the guys took the band up to the Acropolis
where we spent a few great hours looking around. We went in this little museum next to the
Parthenon where I read this sign in English that said “here is a copy of the Elgin Marbles, the real
Marbles are in the British Museum London “What, I’ve just bloody come from there!!. Me and
Diccon also found the Athens museum and in there were the bronze arrows that killed the last of the
300 Spartans. I loved the film of the 300 Spartans when I was a kid and never dreamed I would ever
get to see any of that for real.
The gig itself was totally mad. If we could take ten Greeks to all our gigs I would be happy
because they would make enough noise and emotion for about 50. We actually run out of songs and
had to do a couple from the set and we had been on for well over two hours before that. There
were also people from all around Europe as well and at one point I looked up and saw Christian (the
flying Swede) floating past six foot in the air on everybody’s hands.
I think we have probably played better, but it really didn’t matter, the air was electric and I
don’t think I have ever played one since with that intensity.
Bradford 12th July 2008
This one must have been the day after my 46th birthday. All I can remember about it is Grim
up North and a bit run down and Grey. I think the gig was actually in an old cotton factory and it
looked like it. It was quite a surprise when we went inside because it wasn’t that bad and the stage
even had a carpet which was quite a novelty.
The band Forsaken from Malta was on the bill with us and we had an opportunity to play the
demo track Room of shadows to Albert Bell for whom the song is about. My dad had asked if
anybody on the Pagan Altar Templar’s website had any ideas for subject matter and Albert had come
back and said there was always a room in his childhood home that he was frightened to go in, and
the Room of Shadows was born.
The whole night was very enjoyable and all the bands played really well which inspired us to
play very well that night as well.
Pagan Altar, The Lamp of Thoth and Warning all went together as a package and that was
great fun because we had all played on the same bill several times before together and knew each
other quite well. It is funny because people probably have the impression that these guys are really
serious and sombre but that couldn’t be further from the truth, we all had a right laugh.
This festival was traditionally for Black metal or Death metal bands I’m not sure what the
difference is but everybody behind the stage looked like Gene Simmons. I think the promoters had
decided to mix the festival up a bit that year and gave everybody a rest from just one type of music
which seemed like a good idea.
This was an open air festival and the weather had looked as if it had wanted to rain all day. I
just knew that it was going to wait for us. Just before we went on stage the sky started to go Black
and there were a few rumbles of thunder in the distance. When our intro started I thought I could
see a lot of photos with flashes going off but it was not photo’s it was lighting with a big clap of
thunder shortly after. The Irish contingent that were always fantastic to have at festivals were well
oiled by now and after we came off they said they thought it was part of the stage act. I don’t know
how they all stayed out there in that rain. As we came off, one of the other band members from one
of the death metal bands was watching from behind the stage. He was swaying about and extremely
drunk. He said “wow that was great man” just as he fell forward straight onto my guitar hard case
and folded it in half. It was so lucky I hadn’t put my guitar in it because he wouldn’t have just looked
like a corpse! The three bands came back home to London before going our separate ways.
Metal Brew North London 26th July 2008 Open Air
After Hells Pleasure we had a run of gigs in London. The first being Metal brew on the
outskirts of North London. It was a strange sight for a south Londoner to see the city in the distance
in the wrong direction. Rich couldn’t make this one for some reason so we played with just the four
of us. The stage was a sort of Metal gazebo with lights and speakers which lucky enough were not
subjected to a lot of wind because I think it may have taken off. We went on stage just as the sun
was going down and got a really nice reaction from the audience. I really enjoyed this one.
I had decided to grow a beard to look a bit more rock n roll and I thought it was coming on
quite nicely which is quite relevant to the story as you will see.
It is very hard to park around that area and there is always parking attendants ready to slap
a ticket on your car window. We had been there before and my dad had got a parking ticket so he
wasn’t too keen to park too close to the venue and had parked the car quite a way away. We had
spotted a parking space quite close that did not have a yellow line so my dad told me to stay at the
space and wait until he brought the car around. After about five minutes what looked like a down
and out comes up to me and starts talking. He starts off with asking had I just come out of the pub
and then moved on to world events .After a while he says,” If you haven’t got anywhere to stay
tonight I know somewhere where you can get some sleep.”He thought I was a bloody tramp! After
that I shaved my beard as soon as I could.
2009
Breakfast was like a king’s banquet with just about everything you could want and I felt a bit
like Oliver Twist going back up for more. This place even had a glass lift inside. I don’t know if there
was a miss world competition on in Oslo because there were a lot of stunning looking women
everywhere wondering around the hotel.
While we were in Oslo we had the chance to go to the famous Viking Museum which was
absolutely wonderful. I think if Diccon could have got away with it he would have lived in the ship
inside the museum.
The band had started to get into its stride by now and we were playing well on every outing.
I had a slight problem when my Euro plug went off in one song, but it was just a loose connection
and we taped it together just to hold it.
After we had played we went outside and had a chat with some people that had come to see
us. We have always thought that is the least we could do for people who have travelled miles to see
us play. Being Norway in January there was quite a bit of snow around and it was quite slippery in
places. I was talking to someone and out the corner of my eye I saw a pair of feet go up in the air. I
looked around and Diccon was a big heap in the snow. It did look quite comical but I think he hurt his
shoulder quite a bit and landed on his jaw.
The Weather in Norway had been quite good to us and although it was about minus five it
never felt that cold. As we come out of Gatwick airport back in Kent England it started to snow....And
snow and snow. By the time we got to Diccons car it was more like Norway than Norway. Diccon
being Diccon had not got around to getting his heater fixed in his car so the drive home was
absolutely freezing because we had to keep the windows wide open to stop the condensation. We
could only go about about 15 miles an hour on the motorway and the car felt more like a sledge. I
don’t know how we managed to get home in one piece.
The venue for Doom shall rise is in what used to be a church and probably had more people
in it now than it ever did in the past. We were there for the two days of the festival so we had a day
off to watch the bands on the day we weren’t playing. I had a plan that if I had one of the suspicious
looking hotdogs every time I had a beer I wouldn’t get too drunk while watching bands and talking
to people. This worked very well all the time the hotdog stand was open but toward the end of the
evening I did start to get slightly bladdered, but not as bad as Barry from Ireland who was face down
in a puddle the last time I saw him that night.
On the day of the gig I thought it had all been sorted out with all the warring factions
because everything seemed pretty normal and everybody seemed to be getting on well again and
the mood was good.
We were in the changing room waiting to go onstage and there was a mix of musicians that
had either been onstage before or were waiting to go on later. There was one guy from a band from
south America who was so out of his face on god knows what, had nosed dived to the floor and had
not moved. We all thought he was dead and tried to revive him but he still wasn’t moving. After
what seemed like an age he sat up bolt right and looked about not quite knowing where he was. I
saw him later in the evening wandering around like nothing had happened.
We went onstage and I think that was the best we had played up to that point. Andy had a
bit of trouble with a snare halfway through but we had Sharnie ready so that me and Diccon could
play it as a backup if anything like that happened. It was not long before we managed to get playing
again. I remember playing the Black Mass and everybody singing along” this is the age the age of
Satan” and thinking we are in a church. It just felt a bit surreal. Just before the last song my dad
announced that this was Rich’s last show and I knew that it would be me having to go through
teaching someone else the same old songs all over again.
We all seemed to part amicably enough but as soon as everybody got home and got out
their computers they all started acting like a bunch of five year olds. That is all I will say on that.
Dublin 20th May Belfast 21st may 2009
Line Up Terry Jones, Alan Jones, Diccon Harper & Andy Green.
This gig felt like playing in someone’s living room. It was upstairs from the main bar
downstairs which before we went onstage had a Irish Dancing act (for the tourists I expect). I nipped
downstairs to watch these three girls hammering the hell out of this wooden floor and couldn’t help
but be impressed. Watching it on the Telly isn’t the same thing as feeling that sound go through your
body with the Irish in me not to far up the family tree it was probably the Celt trying to get out in
me.
We went onstage and it was so imamate it felt like we playing in front of family and friends.
At one point through Sentinels of hate there is a gap and the audience made so much noise we
couldn’t hear my dad who we used to wait for to lead us in. It was quite funny because he had to
quieten them down and then bring us in. It was a unique moment.
The next day we were off on a coach for the next show with several of the guys that saw us
at Murrays the night before. It wouldn’t have been Ireland if it wasn’t accompanied by a large crate
of beer and probably a few other doggy substances. We went on the main motorway from Dublin to
Belfast and it felt more like the end of the film the Italian job. We finally got to Belfast in one piece
(without hanging off a cliff) and had to wait about an hour before we could get in.
During the evening I remember that the Eurovision song contest was on in the bar of the
pub part of the venue. I kept sneaking in there to give my Brain a rest from the very loud music and
just to try and chill a bit before going onstage (Ireland or the UK never won). We went onstage to
quite a lively audience and towards the end of Judgement of the dead we couldn’t hear what we
were playing. What made it worse was the audience were singing along to the wrong bit. It was like
having two Radios on at the same time on different channels. We managed to get through it and by
the end of the song they were back singing the right bit again.
We stayed overnight at one of the promoters house and because there was a lot of us we
made do where we could. Andy’s wife Michelene had come with us to these gigs and was pregnant
with their first baby and quite rightly they had the bed. The rest of us had a Lillo (Air bed) each and
as you can guess they all went down during the night. I did make an attempt to blow mine up at
about three AM in the morning and gave up because we were leaving at five AM anyway and I
couldn’t find the foot pump.
The Metal Magic festival was a new festival at the time and had not quite got established yet
so it was quite small compared to some of the other festivals we had played in the past. It had a
really nice atmosphere to it and the stage was built around an old railway platform. We were on in
the daylight which in one way is good for me because I can actually see what I’m doing, but is not
great for the band because somehow it just doesn’t seem to work. The occult works better in the
shadows.
After the gig we took some promo pictures around a lake where we spotted a bottle nose
dolphin swimming around. I never got a picture though.
Lusitanian Mass Lisbon Portugal 10th June 2009
Lisbon is a lovely place and luckily we got a good chance to have a good look around. My dad
always used to say to the promoters that we always like to have a look around the places where we
are playing. One of our promoters (Francisco, I think that was his name) on this occasion took my
dad’s word to the letter. We had virtually got off the plane when we were whisked off for a history
and cultural tour on foot of the city. In Lisbon they have these little shops that are more like holes in
the wall with a little stalls squeezed in-between. The only things they sell are these little plastic cups
of something very similar to port for one Euro. The problem was that these shops were about every
30 or 40 meters apart and Me Andy and Diccon couldn’t seem to get past them without buying just
one more. After about three hours we were virtually staggering around and half asleep half-drunk
trying to get Francisco to get us back to the hotel.
The gig itself looked like a converted cinema and had a gallery upstairs which all the bands
had used a separate area. When we got to sound check I must admit I was panicking a bit. Normally
most of the amps were A Form of Marshall or something quite similar which you can fiddle about
with and get sort of the same sound. This amp sounded like a wired up corn flake box. I don’t know
what the PA guy did but when we played that evening that sound he got was absolutely fantastic.
We had a really good night and what the audience lacked in size they made up for in enthusiasm.
Hammer of Doom Wolfsburg Germany 17th October 2009
Line Up Terry Jones, Alan Jones, Diccon Harper, Andy Green & Luke Hunter.
This was Luke’s first gig with us and he couldn’t have picked a bigger venue. We have always
loved going to Germany. It was the first place we played outside the UK and it is the Country we
have played at the most. At the hotel me, Andy, Diccon and my dad thought we would have a look at
the venue while Luke wanted to take a shower and stayed in the hotel. When we got there our eyes
nearly popped out of our heads. This place was Hugh. When we got back to Luke we told him that
the place was so small, once you got the drums on the stage none of us would have any room to
move. We got to the venue and Luke still never realised that this enormous building we had gone in
was the place we were playing. It wasn’t until he walked past an upstairs window and literally run
back to look at a band playing downstairs did it dawn on him what was going on, which prompted
him then give us a few choice words about our parentage.
The gig itself was quite hard work. The onstage sound wasn’t that great because unless you
are the headline band you get just a line check which is a quick run through then you’re off. It
normally sorts itself out by the second or third song but this time there was an awful booming sound
that seemed to be set off by a note, then it was all over the stage. I found out later that a few of the
bands suffered the same thing. Even so I did enjoy this gig.
Metal Forces Lorrach Germany November 28th 2009
For some reason I have no photos for this gig at all. The one thing that really sticks out in my
mind was Luke’s amp catching fire and everybody running over to try and put it out. We had been
having a bit of trouble with the amps going off in the sound check and we were both a bit worried
that by the time we got to the stage they would be knackered. One of the guys from one of the
other bands said I could use his Marshall just before we went on and that really saved my bacon
because I had no trouble. Luke on the other hand had a lot of trouble with his amp going off
completely in one song. We finally changed the amp to a spare and that started going wrong as well
and in the end caught fire. This festival was in Germany but it was also on the border of France and
Switzerland and on the way to the show we crossed three countries in ten minutes.
This was Andy’s Last gig with us. Moving to Wiltshire, having a young baby and not getting
anything out of the band was just too much for him and he reluctantly had to leave. He was one of
the few people not to get the black spot.
2010
We now had the problem, how do we get another Drummer in the same class as Andy. This
was pretty hard because I consider Andy as a world class drummer. We asked our friend Ian Winters
who I had known since I was a kid and our dads used to work with each at the GPO (British Telecom)
did he know any drummers that fitted the bill. We knew that Ian was already doing music with his
own band Kill the Machine which was going well at the time so we was quite surprised when he said
he could play with us and do the Kill the Machine stuff as well. I have played in bands with Ian and
once again I consider him as world class. He is a very different style of player to Andy but one that
can fit into Pagan Altars music very well so I was over the moon to be playing with him again.
Finland Mini tour Turku, Oulu, Jyvaskyla, Helsinki 1st to 5th April 2010
Line Up Terry Jones, Alan Jones, Diccon Harper, Luke Hunter & Ian Winters.
This was our mini tour of Finland which started in Turku, went North to Oulu then down a bit
to Jyvaskyla and finally back down to Helsinki. On the tour with us was a nice bunch of lads from
Sweden called Isole.
The first night we stayed at the promoter’s house and I think his wife was not keen on the
idea of a bunch of foreigners sleeping on her living room floor if their heated discussion in Finish was
anything to go by. The next morning we had to wait at a parade of shops for our tour Bus. The coach
that was standing at the stop was like Pink Floyd’s tour bus, it was fantastic. We started to put our
guitars in the bus when we heard a voice from behind us say “that is not you coach, that is your
coach”, we looked behind and this bus from the late 50’s early 60s emerged out of the smoke. I
didn’t think it would even get to the end of the road let alone hundreds of miles away. To all our
surprise it did actually go and as long as it stayed at a steady 50 MPH nothing fell off.
Our first stop was Turku where we visited a Castle during the daytime. It was a fascinating
place and looked more like a stately home with a dungeon. Both bands had some photos taken in
some serious poses and then had some taken with all of us together.
Although this was our first gig together it wasn’t as bad as I thought at the time. I never
enjoyed this one much because the stage guys put the two guitar amps at the front of the stage and
pointing across the stage .I don’t know who came up with that idea but is complete nonsense and it
just blew everybody’s ears out. We only got caught out the one night and insisted they go behind at
the back.
Back on the road the next day and we had a long drive up towards Oulu which was probably
further than the whole length of England and Scotland combined. The whole of Finland seemed to
be frozen but we stopped for a break and it felt so warm we went outside in our t-shirts.
We stopped off at a few service stations along the way and at one I had the biggest burger I
have ever seen. This was a Man V food size burger. I shared it with Ian because there was no way I
would have done it on my own.
When we finally got to the small town of Oulu it felt like we were at the North Pole. None of
us had been this far North before. After we got our gear safely in the club the guys from the club
took the band out for a meal at an Indian restaurant (of all things) a couple of hours before we went
onstage which could have been dangerous, but thankfully none of us had any trouble.
One of the guys that was something to do with the gig at Oulu worked in a funeral home and
knew where he could get hold of a spare coffin. My dad straight away wanted to be brought onto
the stage in the coffin through the audience. I really didn’t like this one bit, but my dad being my dad
just went with it regardless. The only problem was that the coffin was a lot longer than my dad was
and when they picked the coffin up, they never picked it up evenly and my dad shot forward inside
the coffin. When they got to the stage and to the steps he went backwards banging his head and
when they finally stood the coffin upright and opened the lid he fell forward out onto the stage. I
really enjoyed this show. It was a tiny club and the atmosphere was great and very loud. I think we
played really well that night helped by the audience.
Back on the road and towards Jyvaskyla. This was not as far as the first journey to Oulu so it
wasn’t that bad, and the scenery out of the coach window was stunning. Once we got to the venue
we had to take the gear in a very slow lift. Ian and the guys from Isole went up first and we waited
until they came back down. After a couple of minutes we could hear the lift slowing coming back
down. All of a sudden we could hear a commotion and a lot of agonised shouting in Swedish. The
door of the lift opened and the guys from Isole ran out of the lift holding their noses and I think
cursing in Swedish followed but Ian sniggering. It was a funny sight; Ian had farted in the lift which I
know from experience is not a pleasant thing.
This show was a strange one. Most of the night it was absolutely empty with the odd person
bobbing his head around the corner. Then about five minutes before we went on everybody seemed
to come out of the woodwork and the place seemed to fill up. We played the gig and ten minutes
after we came off the whole place was deserted and seemed like no one had been there.
The two bands stayed in what was like a school dormitory upstairs from the stage area. That
night it was like animal farm with two bands half cut snoring like there’s no tomorrow. It was a very
long night. The next morning we were off again to Helsinki. This journey seemed to take longer than
the others put together, probably because of the lack of sleep the night before. It was quite a relief
when we finally got to Helsinki and arrived at the venue. We had a little look around the city for a
while and got something to eat then returned in the afternoon to get ready. Ian did another one of
his famous sound checks by doing a rendition of Shirley Bassey’s big spender which made everybody
laugh. On the night of the gig there was another band on the bill as well who went on first. They
played very well and Isole played the best show out of all the nights I had seen them so we really
needed to be on our game that night. This was one of those nights where everything seemed to go
right and we had a blinder of a gig. The audience was fantastic that night as well and it crowned a
very enjoyable mini tour. We could have done with a few more gigs because we were really starting
to jell as a band by Helsinki and could only get better.
On the day of the gig we had to get a ferry over to the other side of the river which took
about half an hour because it was quite a way to the other side. Luckily enough the venue was right
by the river and looked like a little riverside pub. When we got inside it was a lot bigger than it
looked.
There were some really good bands on the bill that night including Drakkar who we had
played with before the last time we came to Lisbon. I really couldn’t work out why they wasn’t an
international band by now because I thought they were one of the most talented bands we had ever
played with.
Like most gigs with more than two bands it over run quite badly and as the night wore on I
thought there is not going to be anybody left in the place by the time we got onstage. We went on
stage at about 2.30 am in the morning and everybody was still there. It’s funny how getting up on a
stage can soon wake you up and we played roughly a two hour set. At the end of our set everybody
stood there and applauded which had never happened before or since. By the time we had packed
away and left the building it was light outside.
We decided to go by ferry over to Ostend Belgium and drive to Rotterdam this time and for
once this band we had had a bit of luck. Thousands of miles away a volcano in Iceland had decided to
blow its top and was spewing large amounts of ash into the atmosphere and blowing straight at
mainland Europe. At first it was not a problem but after a couple of days it started to cause chaos.
We had bought a return ticket which was just as well because they were selling tickets at five times
the price back to England. Also what happened was any bands that hadn’t already arrived from
America were not able to come and the ones that were in Holland were stranded there for quite
some time after. We played ok that night but for some reason the spark wasn’t there. It wasn’t one
of my favourite gigs and I was glad to get back home.
The festival was in a converted barn on a farm and a world away from the French town
about two miles down the road. Although this festival wasn’t that big it had a lovely laid back
atmosphere to it and it was a pleasure to be there.
This was five years to the day before my dad’s death on 15. 5. 15. You just cannot see
anything like that coming and he just seemed so fit and alive back then.
We had a good night and played really well. The double leads sounded fantastic and me and
Luke were really on form that night. The atmosphere in that place was fantastic as well and it gave
us a big lift.
We was a bit late getting back to Ostend and had to watch the ferry sailing away in the
distance as we pulled into the port. We had a couple of hours to wait so we had a walk around
Ostend which is a lot nicer place that it sounds. The ferry finally arrived and we got home safely back
to England.
The festival in Sweden was to be Ian’s last show with the band. His other band Kill the
Machine had a date in England the day after we had the next show in Finland and he was quite
willing to go out with us and fly back home the next day. This never happened and we managed
muddle through, but at a price.
Ian managed to get the black spot without even knowing about it and under the pretext of
not being well enough to carry on and go to the states for a festival. Diccon was not happy with this
and had the luxury of being able to leave because he knew what was going to happen. For me it was
hell of a lot more complicated.
Barcelona Malta
2013-2015
There are no photos of us in the studio while my dad was doing the album because he didn’t
want anybody to see him without his hair and did not like any photos being taken of him.
From the years 2013 - 2015 we attempted to record the new album which was originally
called Never Quite Dead. Firstly at the studio at my Dad’s house at Gravesend which was initially
built for the project and then at Banana Road Studios with Ani. We spent a lot of time and effort on
it but it just lacked any drive or power and just sounded mediocre. Neither of us was happy with it
although we did everything we could to make it work.
On the 15th of May 2015 my dad lost his fight with Cancer and the album got shelved. I had
really had enough of it by then and never listened to it for a long time after.
2016
I still had no intentions of even listening to the album at that point and it wasn’t even
mentioned at our stay at Andy’s. It wasn’t until after a jam with Diccon at my place did I put the
album on for Diccon and said I wished I could get you and Andy to have a go at the album from
scratch. That is the point where the second half of the album started.
We got in touch with Andy and at first he was not sure but it did not take that much
persuading in the end to get him on board. This was the line-up that actually started the album on
my 16 track potable in 2008-2009 with Andy’s electric drum pads to use as a demo before starting it
properly
We contacted Ani again and had a look at what we had to do but it was getting late in the
year and none of us was too keen to start this properly until the New Year. The album did not start
for real until January 2017.
As this was starting to happen in late 2016 our friends from Canada Annick and François
were in England on a tour with their band Cauchemar. They were in London for a couple of days and
I had the chance to meet up with them and take them on a tour of sunny Greenwich then back to
my sister’s house in the evening. I knew they were just starting up their new label Temple of Mystery
Records and thought I would be cheeky and I asked if they would like to bring the album out.
Down by the Catty’s Sark Middle of the Planet Rock older than Pagan Altar
I was the next to put the rhythm down on the tracks Andy had started about a week before.
I thought I would start with the easiest track Dorian Gray and do the harder ones after. It never quite
worked out like that. Banana Road for about eight months of the year is like Narnia (Bloody freezing)
and I just couldn’t warm my hands up. It took a good half an hour before I could string two chords
together. I gave up with Dorian Gray and started on the harder two and did them in one take each
then went back to Dorian Gray and did that in one take.
Diccon came in to Banana Road in February and worked on Dorian Gray and Rising of the
Dead. I think Diccon had the hardest task on this recording because he had listened to every phrase
Andy had done and worked the bass in accordingly. Once again he did the same thing as I did and
chose to record Dorian Gray first being the easiest song to do, and once again he could not get his
fingers going straight away and had more trouble with that song than the rest. After Dorian Gray
Diccon flew through Rising of the Dead and finished both songs in a couple of hours. The tracks were
really starting to sound how I imagined they could sound when I first wrote the music.
Andy was back in Banana Road around about March to put down the final three drum tracks.
Putting the drum tracks down at different times can be tricky because no matter how you try to get
the microphone’s in the same place it never sounds exactly the same. It took Ani a bit longer to
fiddle around with the sound until we were happy we had got the sound right and then we were
ready to go.
Dance of the vampires, Dance Macabre and the Room of Shadows did not take long to
record at all. Andy had changed the drums on The Room of shadows and I loved what he had done
with it. It just drove the song so well. All three songs sounded great even though we had not put our
parts on yet we could tell how it was going to sound.
It was my turn to come in the studio and it was towards the end of March early April. We
had to work it around when we could get in the studio and when Ani had any space for us.
Sometime it was a few weeks before we could get in the studio to do anything but that meant we
had a few weeks to really nail the songs we were working on. I managed to get the songs down in
one or two goes but we had all done that. It made them sound a lot more live. I also re-did a couple
of the double leads I wasn’t happy with and tidied up a couple of leads. The majority of the solos I
left from the first attempt because they were fine.
Can I do that just one more time Ani hearing the song for the 8,000,000,000,000 time
Diccon was back in the studio late April maybe early may to work on Dance of the vampires
and The Danse Macabre. Thankfull the studio was warming up slighty and you didn’t need snow
boots to get to the door of the mixer room. I know it sounds a bit boring but it never really took that
long before Diccon had recorded the tracks. For Danse Macarbre Diccon had put a great bass line in
that weaved in and out of the rhythm and transformed song and really highlighted my guitar solos.
Diccon came in again at the start of June and we were running out of time a bit because we
had set a release date with Annick for the 24th of August (my dad’s birthday). He had the Room of
Shadows and the Ripper to do. For the demo for the Room of Shadows I had imitated Diccon’s style
at the beginning of the song and he really liked what I had done so he copied what I had done. (So
he was ripping me off ripping him off.) The last two tracks went down in a couple of hours and they
sounded fantastic even before they had been mixed. We had now finished the recording side of the
album.
We went into another room and there were reel to reels of the Who, Eric Clapton and Phil
Collins and many more just lying around all over the place. It felt like being in Santa’s grotto.
Andy arrived a little later and we started to do the job in hand. We had all the files what we
had done at Banana Road on a memory stick and that took much of the first night sorting out what
files we needed to use even though Rohan had done a lot of work on that before. We had a big scare
a few weeks earlier when Ani had a problem with file corruption on his computer and our tracks had
gone tits up for a while but he had managed to sort it out for us. Doing the mixes with Rohan was
the best part of the album for me. It finally felt like fun and we had a great laugh together and just
seemed a bit more dethatched from the first few years watching my dad getting worse and
struggling to get through the songs. I don’t know how Rohan did it because while he was recording
with us through the night and not finishing until about 3am in the morning, he was then recording
with an orchestra for Gary Barlow in the day. By about 12.30am I would start to wilt and I wasn’t
doing anything.
The last session we did and what would be the final mix was on my 55th birthday on the 11th
of July. This meant the album would be finished on my birthday and released on my dad’s birthday
24th of August which was quite a nice touch.
After Rohan had done some final touches on the mix he sent it to Bart Gabriel for Mastering.
If it wasn’t for him this album would have probably taken another six months or more to have come
out. He has done a fantastic job and we are all very pleased with it.
Annick had been working really hard on her side of things and had commissioned a work of
art from the artist Adam Burke. It had been taken from some pictures of potential covers we had
given Annick of my niece (Terry’s Granddaughter) Ellie in Victorian dress that related to the songs.
Annick had liked the one that eventually ended up as the cover.
I don’t know how we managed it but after 5 years the album finally came out on time and
was released on my dad’s birthday on the 24th of August. I couldn’t have been happier with how it
has been received and am really proud of the final result. I think all the right people were involved at
the right time and I think my biggest achievement on this album is what I managed to keep off of it.
2017
We thought it would be a good idea to stay at the Travelodge the night before we flew. It
was five minutes from the airport and took all the stress out of rushing around trying to get to the
airport at the last minute like headless chickens. It worked a treat and we met up at the Travelodge
and had a relaxing night. The next morning we got a hopper bus that went from the Travelodge
straight to the airport with of time to spare
Heathrow Airport
We had to go to Paris first which was odd because we were going in the wrong direction.
Then pick up a connection flight to Montreal. The Flight to Canada was with Air France and we all got
a glass of Champaign on the flight, it felt like we were in first class.
The last time I had been to Montreal airport there had been some sort of cock up with the
work permit or something like that I am not really sure but we got pulled into Immigration for about
2 hours while our guitars were going round and round on the conveyer belt for anyone to pick up.
This time thankfully it was a lot more straight forward although waiting to show our
passports I was thinking to myself “don’t happen again, don’t happen again”.
Annick had arranged for us to meet her friend Sandi who would pick us up at the airport and
take us to her place where we would be staying for the next few days. We met Sandi as we came
outside of the airport and crossed the road to the indoor car park where her car was parked.
Unfortunately Sandi had forgotten where she had put her car and that’s when it started to turn into
a sitcom. We were walking up and down the car park for ages looking for her car. I thought it was
really funny and the longer it went on the funnier it got. We started to wonder if the car had been
stolen when she finally found it right at the front of the car park not far from where we had first
walked in.
We stayed at Sandi’s for a couple of hours and freshened up, and then we all went over to
Annick and François house. That is when we got a look at the finished CD of The Room of Shadows
for the first time. When we got to their house I thought we were just meeting Annick and François
.As we entered there were a lot more people there than I was expecting which was a nice surprise.
Brendan was there but Andres had to work that night so we would not meet him until the rehearsal.
While we were there we signed some posters, had a look through the art work on the
album, listened to Rush, did a lot of talking and generally had a good time.
The next day we were off to rehearse for the first time. I think we were all a bit
apprehensive to how it was going to sound and we hadn’t even met Andres yet. Funny enough the
room we were rehearsing in was the same room as I had rehearsed in seven years before. Well if it
wasn’t the same room it certainly looked like it. Brendan was already there as we got there and
Andres arrived shortly after. We took about 10-15 minutes setting up and chatting to get to know
each other then decided to go through the set in order. I was expecting to go through the songs one
at a time and stop it when something was not right. A few bars into the song I knew it was going to
work and we played through the whole set and I never had to stop it once. I was so impressed with
Brendan and Andres they had leant the songs to the letter. My dad always liked a lot of words and if
you don’t know what you are doing vocally with our songs you can find yourself at the end of a line
with two words you couldn’t fit in. They sound easy when you are singing along to the record but try
it without the vocal line on and it is a different matter. There is also a guitar section in the middle of
Sentinels of Hate that although other guitarists have played that bit only Andres has got the timing
right without me having to go through it with them.
We came back to the rehearsal room the next day and it wasn’t just a fluke the first time
because it sounded just as good the second time. We had a guest Sarah that sat in at the rehearsal
on the second day who works for a magazine and had been trying to interview me for quite a time.
Having no internet myself I had to go over to Diccon’s house and go onto his computer and his Skype
account. The time difference made it really awkward and we kept missing each other but eventually
she managed to do the interview with Me, Andy and Diccon together so it worked out well in the
end.
That night we went to the festival and watched one of Andres’s bands who were on the bill
that night. This time he was playing drums and he really impressed Andy who said he had a great
technique. We also popped out and went to where Sandi worked at a pinball bar quite close to the
venue. That was great fun although Me Andy and Diccon was absolutely useless at pinball and the
more we tried to keep the balls from going down the hole the more colourful our language got.
Our stay with Sandi had really put the three of us at our ease and she had really looked after
us. When we first got to her flat she had asked us what food we liked and what food we didn’t like. I
had lost a bit of weight recently and didn’t really want to go on a eating a drinking binge while I was
away and I think Andy and Diccon felt the same so we plumped for more healthy options. She did
some lovely meals for us and I think we felt better for it.
Wings of Metal 9th September 2017
We went back to the venue with about an hour to spare and caught a bit of Diamond Head’s
show but we were on directly after and I don’t like watching a band before we go on.
Soon enough it was our turn to go on and I don’t know about the other guys but I was a bit
nervous of how it was go. After the first few chords the adrenaline takes over and you start to enjoy
it. I cannot remember too much about it, I never can but I remember thinking my dad would have
loved all of this and what a great job Brendan and Andres were doing with our songs.
Brendan checking for woodworm
Before I knew it we were playing the last song and then we had finished. A while after we
had come off stage a guy comes up to me and starts chatting about the show and how he had
enjoyed it. He said he was something to do with a radio show and could I do a jingle for his show on
this little tape recorder he had with him. My dad was always the one for these sorts of things and I
am not. All I had to do was remember my name and the name of the show and the frequency and I
couldn’t do it. I think I even forgot my name at one point. In the end I had to say look I’m sorry but I
cannot do it.
We stayed at the club until it finished at about 3.30am in the morning then we all went to an
all-night cafe where we had this strange meal at about 4.00am. I am not sure but I think it was rat on
a stick. We got back to the flat and got up late the next day. We got to the airport and made our way
home. There were no interesting events on the way back and we finally got back to London the next
morning and went our separate ways.
After the success of the Montreal show in Canada founder member of the band Alan Jones
along with 2008 members Diccon Harper (Bass) and Andy Green (Drums) along with Magic Circle’s
vocalist Brendan Radian and Cauchemar bassist Andres Arango (Guitar) are planning to play some
selected dates in 2018 as Pagan Altar in conjunction with the bands 40th anniversary and will include
songs from the new album The Room of Shadows. There may be dates after 2018 depending on
commitments and whether the band wishes to carry on or not.
Hammer of Doom
Wurzburg Germany 18.11. 2017
After the great time we had in Montreal it was going to take something special to get anywhere near
the high that lasted for quite some after for all of us.
Diccon had now moved over to Ireland so we were even more spread over the globe than before so
rehearsing for this gig consisted of playing along to the CDs and having a rehearsal on the day before
we played the show in Wurzburg.
The best thing for me was to go to Wiltshire and stay at Andy’s house overnight so we could go
together from Bristol Airport the next day which would take all the stress out of rushing to the
airport. As usual I managed to get to Clapham Junction in London two and a half hours early for the
train to Wiltshire and waited in the waiting room for what seemed like forever.
The train finally arrived at 5.55pm and it did not seem long before I was in Salisbury where I had to
change for the short journey to Trowbridge .I got to Trowbridge in Wiltshire at about 7.15 pm where
Andy met me at the Station. Just before that I thought I was at the Station and tried to get off the
train and could not get out the door. After a small panic I realised the train was still moving and had
not yet got to the station. We arrived back at Andy’s and relaxed for the evening and had a lovely
meal which Michelene had made.
The next day was quite an easy day for us because the flight wasn’t until the early evening and we
could take our time. We set out at about half two and met with a bit of traffic on the way but had
plenty of time to spare. We had to travel to Amsterdam first then get a connecting flight to
Frankfurt. This is always risky because of delays. Luckily for us we had a big gap between flights
because we had a 55 minute delay and many people on our flight missed their connections. When
we got to Amsterdam we had to run from one side of the airport to the other carrying our luggage
on the moving walkways bouncing people out of the way as we went. When we got to our gate the
woman on the desk told us” this plane is going to Bolivia, your plane has been moved to another
gate”. It was only two gates down so we were o.k. We got into the queue and Diccon appeared
behind us. He had been waiting for hours.
Once we arrived at Frankfurt we had an hour and a half drive to Wurzburg. Because Germany is two
hours in front of Britain in the winter it was about midnight when we finally reached the hotel. There
was a bar just around the corner and we had a quick nightcap before the bar shut.
Brendan arrived at the hotel around about lunchtime the next day and we caught up over
coffee before going to the venue. We had a Rehearsal booked in one of the rooms inside the
complex. The plan was to meet Andres at the rehearsal after he got to the hotel and freshened up,
but unfortunately it took him about two and a half hours to get from the airport through traffic and
he had to come straight to the rehearsal. Considering Andres must have been absolutely knackered
he played great and the rehearsal went really well and it gave me a lot of confidence for the next
Day.
Denis Schneider popped into the rehearsal as well to meet the band and hang out with us. We
haven’t seen Denis for quite a few years and it was great to see him again. He is also an important
part of the new Pagan Altar set up.
After we had finished rehearsing, the bands had already started playing upstairs so we had time to
go and see some of the bands on that night. On the bill was a band called Lucifer’s friend where the
singer was ex Uriah Heep member John Lawton. He had long white hair, sun glasses and a black shirt
and was the double of my dad. From off of the stage the likeness was uncanny. All of his mannerisms
were the same as my dad and it was quite a spooky experience for me. At certain times he just
seemed to have morphed into my dad. With my dad’s voice on some of our intros and someone who
looked just like my dad onstage it really did feel like he was there in spirit ,and had turned up at his
own tribute.
At the end of the night we watched the headline band Warning and that felt like old times as well. It
was nice to catch up with Patrick again after the show.
We headed back to the hotel and ended up in that little bar around the corner from the hotel again
with about 10 minutes before it shut. I think the girl working in there was starting to hate us because
we kept the bar open an extra half an hour for the second night in a row.
The next day Brendan and Andres needed to catch up on some much needed sleep, so me and Andy
and Diccon had a walk up to the venue to sort out the merchandise and just to have a look around
before the evening. When we got to the venue we went around the back where on a previous
occasion we had got in. The door was locked so we tried to find another entrance which turned into
another Spinal Tap moment. We spent about 20 minutes getting lost and turning up in the same
palace as we started. We found an open door and went upstairs only to find ourselves outside a
Tattoo parlour with a guy needles in hand waiting for the next customer. We decided to give up and
go back to the hotel before we both ended up with a Tattoo.
Later we all went out on a quest for schnitzel. (When in Germany)We found a little restaurant that
had mainly schnitzel on the menu and shared a table with a bemused German family who wasn’t
quite sure what to make of us. After the meal we had a look around Wurzburg and looked at some
of the beautiful churches that were scattered around the town that all seemed to go off at the same
time every hour.
Just try to look natural Brendan and Andres waiting for schnitzel
It feels like I have known the new guys in the band for ages and we all get on great. I think that it is
starting to show when we play live now as well because I can feel an energy that hasn’t been there
for quite some time and it feels like there is no weak links in this band now.
We went back to the hotel and chilled for a while before going back up to the venue. The bands
were now playing and people were now in the hall so it wasn’t long before I started bumping into
friends I had not seen for years. It was lovely see them after all this time and it was nice to hear what
they have been up to over the years and that they were all still into the scene.
Chris George and Spiros Andy from mirror of deception Leo from Forsaken
We all got to the changing room about half an hour before we were due onstage and prepared
ourselves in our own way. I normally have a little go on the guitar but not the songs we are playing
because it generally makes my mind go blank if I try to remember the set. Before we knew it we
were on the stage getting ready to go. I never remember much about playing onstage, I sort of go
into Mr Hyde mode while I am up there onstage my and character changes into a complete show off.
I don’t know if the other guys go through the same thing but if it goes well like on this occasion it
takes quite a time to come back down to earth and change back to Dr Jekyll.
Brendan is so big on that stage and completely owns it. He kept a fine balance between being
respectful to my dad’s memory while showing everybody what he could do. The other guys just
make it so easy for me and also make me sound a lot better. I couldn’t stop smiling all the way
through.
After the whole night had finished there was a rumour that there was an after show party. We
spent a good half an hour trying to find it and in the end gave up and had our own after party in
Nina’s camper van (our first real Manager) where she introduced us to Rum and apple juice which is
a lot nicer than it sounds.
Nina planning our next adventure Andres finding the JD Diccons Rose coloured specials
We finally got back to our hotel by about half four in the morning and me Diccon and Brendan
thought it wasn’t worth going to bed so we stayed in the communal room drinking coffee with some
of the Irish that came to the show earlier and were staying in the Hotel. Sleeping really gets in the
way for the Irish when it comes to drinking and they were still there when our transport arrived at
6.00 A.M
When our transport arrived for the airport at 6-00am sharp and we were off on a 90 minute journey.
So far so good and everything was running to plan. When we got to the airport the band said our
goodbyes and went our separate ways to catch our own planes.
I had travelled to Wiltshire before we had left and flew out with Andy from Bristol airport so we
were going back home together as well. We first had to catch a plane to Amsterdam then fly to
Bristol from there. The flight to Amsterdam wasn’t too bad and it was going better than when we
flew out. Getting to Bristol was the turning point because when we got to the conveyer belt for our
luggage, about 4 bags came out for the whole flight. There had been a massive computer failure and
most of the bags were still in Amsterdam including my Guitar. We had to stay a while to fill in forms
so that they could return them to us when they eventually found them.
Michelene picked us up from the airport and Andy drove the hour drive back to their house in
Wiltshire. We got back by about 3.15pm and I had just over an hour to wait for my train. This was
supposed to be a straight forward journey from Trowbridge to Clapham then a train home to New
Cross. When we got to Trowbridge station there was no sign of any train going anywhere near
London. We found out from the information desk that quite a bit of track was out of order and no
trains were going the straight route. I had to get a train for three stops then get a coach the railway
had put on to Salisbury. That coach took an hour to get to Salisbury through pitch black country
lanes and little villages. If I wasn’t so knackered and panicking about picking up the connecting train
at Salisbury I probably would have enjoyed it. When we finally got to Salisbury station I had about 5
minutes to get to platform 3.When I got to the platform the notice board said the train had been
delayed for an hour because of more trouble further up the line. After about 20 minutes and a lot of
angry people standing in the freezing cold trying to find what the hell was going on a train arrived
from the depot especially for Waterloo. After an extra 30 minutes which wasn’t too bad because at
least it was in the warm. The train finally going and we got to Clapham junction after about an hour
and a half. Once at Clapham I tried to find the right platform for new cross. There are 17 platforms
on Clapham Junction and by the time I found the platform that went straight to new cross I had just
missed it. I then had to wait another half hour for a train to Crystal Palace. Once I got to Crystal
Palace I had to run to another platform to just catch the train for new Cross. Once at new cross it
didn’t take too long before the 53 bus came along and a ten minute trip to Deptford Bridge where I
got the Docklands railway one stop to where I live. I started the day at 6.00am in the morning and
got home at 9.30pm most of that either hanging around or travelling. All I can say Is it was all worth
it.
Discography
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Danse Macabre
The Ripper
After Forever
TEMPLE OF MYSTERY
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Danse Macabre
The Ripper
After Forever
TEMPLE OF MYSTERY
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SPLIT SINGLE Released October 2011 (Vinyl Single)
Pagan Altar - Portrait Of Dorian Gray
Mirror Of Deception - Beltaine's Joy
SPLIT SINGLE with MIRROR OF DECEPTION
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SPLIT SINGLE Released October 2007 (Vinyl Single)
Pagan Altar - Walking In The Dark
Jex Thoth - Stone Evil
SPLIT SINGLE with JEX THOTH
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Daemoni na hOiche
The Sorcerer
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Daemoni na hOiche
The Sorcerer
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Armageddon
The Interlude
The Aftermath
The Masquerade
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Night Rider
Reincarnation
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Highway Cavalier
Reincarnation
I Hate Records
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Satan's Henchmen
Armageddon
The Interlude
The Aftermath
The Masquerade
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Pagan Altar
Night Rider
Reincarnation
Oracle Records
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PAGAN ALTAR Released December 1982 (Tape Cassette)
Pagan Altar
Night Rider
Reincarnation
No Label
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THE AFTERMATH.
Charred trees, reaching skywards, like hands held limply in the air.
Scorched fields, barren landscape, no one left alive to care.
Now that the fires have gone
There’s no one to right all the wrong,
No one to right all the wrong!
ARMAGEDDON.
“It has been predicted there will be three world wars, two have already past”.
“The third is to be the end of life on this planet as we know it”.
“The place or battle site for the final conflict between good and evil is called,
ARMAGEDDON”!
People are coming from all over the World heading for Armageddon,
Building themselves a ‘man made Hell’ starting at Armageddon.
They don’t know that their time is running out’
Can’t they see it’s the Worlds lifeblood that’s comming out!
Warlords are plotting all over the world, planning for Armageddon,
Waiting in trenches for the opening bell, rung out at Armageddon.
They don’t know that their time is running out’
Can’t they see it’s the Worlds lifeblood that’s comming out!
“Down through the centuries man has had his warnings, but still he took no heed”!
Blue velvet shrouds the altar, black candles pierce the dark,
The skulls of the unbelievers peer sightless, bleached and stark.
The inverted cross of burnished gold the burial urns of light,
The pungent smell of incense wafts out into the night.
This is the age, the age of Satan, now that the twilight is done,
Now that Satan has come.
A & T. Jones.1980.
Although the black mass received much notoriety due mainly to the
outrageous antics of the French aristocracy in the 17th century, it is, as it always has
been to the true follower, one of the highlights of the Satanists calendar. Anything
else, although largely exaggerated, is common knowledge. Except to add that the
third verse of the track describes the bands own altar as used in the stage act.
“Beware the Raven that stands alone, the one that watches and waits,
Beware that unguarded moment, that subtle twist of fate.
It may just be the eyes of the Crow man”.
Over mist covered hills and valleys, across lochs and lonely shores.
Through fields and rain drenched forests and dark and desolate moors.
Screaming……….
A keening wailing cry
No living soul ever made that sound, stalking those about to die!
The cry of the Banshee
Some say the living cannot hear her, only those about to die,
But many swear upon their lives, they’ve heard that mournful cry.
The cry of the Banshee!…….
A & T. Jones 2004.
Trees like old men stand and stare and reach towards the sky,
Faces that are etched with age where time has passed them by.
Branches argue with the wind and juggle with the light,
Ghostly mental cages that play havoc with your sight.
The Black mass holds no fears for those who don’t believe
And of the dark side that lies beyond.
But this leaves them no protection to the terrors of the night
When all faith in their beliefs has gone!
The Black mass holds no fears for those who don’t believe
And of the dark side that lies beyond.
But this leaves them no protection to the terrors of the night
When all faith in their beliefs has gone!
Like ghostly phantoms on the wind, they glide across the mire.
Their white hair flows like silver webs, framing eyes of fire.
The gentle throb of an ancient drum, no human ever made.
Music only gods should hear, no human ever played.
From where they come and where they go, or why they have to be.
Mans mind cant hope to comprehend the sheer complexity.
Stonehenge has been their meeting place, as far as man can tell.
Birth of myths and legends, the gateway to Hell.
Mans fate assured his conscience clear in the eyes of other men.
His slate is clean the bill was paid by the death of one of them.
Guide me and lead me help me through this night,
Take me and show them but let them see some light!
FATHER
SON
SON
FATHER
HIGHWAY CAVALIER.
THE INTERLUDE.
Candlelight is shining,
Judgement of the dead.
A & T. Jones.1979.
The return of the soldier, or cannon fodder, resurrected from the dead by
Satan to pass judgement on the religious leaders, politicians etc, past and present,
who over the centuries have for their own glorification or beliefs, needlessly ordered
their supposed inferiors to their deaths.The sentence after conviction is the eternal
damnation of their souls into Satan’s own keeping. The pious righteous ones, who
throughout their own useless lives, although powerful in a material sense, brought
nothing but pain and misery to the rank and file while improving their own status,
The courtroom setting is the tombs and catacombs of a cemetery. The staccato riff in
the lead breaks represents Satan’s hammer bringing the court to order. The track
ends fading into the distance, depicting the return of the jury and gallery members,
their need for vengeance satisfied, to their own respective resting places……
Death will come to even the righteous only the good die young.
So live your life the way that you want to,
Don’t let them think they’ve won!
Can you hear them?
Can you see them?
Don’t believe them don’t believe what they say!
A & T. Jones.1978.
THE MASQUERADE.
A & T. Jones.1981.
NIGHT RIDER.
The goddess Persephone, usually depicted riding through the night on a great
black stallion, the bringer of dreams, the dealer in nightmares. She exchanges a
daytime hell into a nocturnal one. Beautiful in the extreme matched only by her
cunning, in as much as she can play on the slightest deficiency or flaw in a person’s
mental or physical make up and by the medium of sleep, turn it into a chasm a mile
wide….
PAGAN ALTAR.
As the title suggests the bands theme song and opening number to the live
set. It describes the end of religious hypocrisy and the beginning of an age of
enlightenment. The breaking down of inhibitions brought about by centuries of moral
dogma. Paganism rising to the fore and the return to all, the mental and physical
freedom they were originally endowed with at their conception by the elemental
forces from beyond our galaxy.
REINCARNATION.
The story of the rebuilding of the Earth after Armageddon, when the forces of
good and evil meet for the final conflict. The earth being turned into a sun to give life
to other planets after its destruction by the nuclear holocaust that followed. The
immortals, during their reconstruction of the world, bury gold and other precious
mineral deposits in the hope that man, after his rebirth, will withstand the temptations
that were his predecessors undoing, resist the temptations that material wealth offers
and concentrate on cultivating a spiritual awareness or inner strength, without the
option to choose, man cannot shape his own destiny, so becoming a mere puppet to
be guided at every turn instead of being the master of his own fate….
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SAMHIEN.
SATANS HENCHMEN.
Dark riders with flowing robes, the power of death within them flows.
Riding out across the sky
Satan’s henchmen flying by.
Black stallions with silent hooves glide gracefully across the roofs.
Flared nostrils and fiery eyes,
Satan’s henchmen ride the skies.
Spread out to all four winds, to leave their curse wherever they’ve been.
Nightriders hunting souls,
Satan’s henchman, Witches dolls.
Horse and rider appear as one, to disappear before the rising sun.
Fading shadows in the morning light,
Satan’s henchmen rule the night
A & T. Jones. 1981.
People often now stand and stare and wonder who could they be,
That would leave such a lasting tribute to their lives.
But they never look down in the undergrowth at the pile of broken stone.
Or spare a thought for all the young men who have died.
Ruined Chapels and neglected graves have masked the truth for years
Only mangled limbs bear witness to their pain.
Their lord and masters pampered lives are marked by a granite tomb,
But in death the bones will always look the same.
The hooves of black plumed horses are silent on the cobbled streets
And a rusty lock secures the cemetery gates.
The age is long since dead and gone when they ruled in our domain
All that’s left are these sentinels of hate.
Stone and marble pillars reaching higher, pointing ever upward to the skies
Looking down on the rank and file beneath them in the cold dark ground,
As they’d done throughout their selfish lives, all through their lives!
Evening falls to cast shadows ever longer, to slowly move across each soul again.
As if to say look up to me I’m still your master as I’ll always be
Even in death our roles are still the same, they haven’t changed! Ashes down to ashes, dust
down to dust,
It was the children born with a silver spoon and dealt the kind hand of fate,
Created these monoliths to power, built these sentinels of hate!
Their pious names cut deep into the marble, clear for all to see down through the years.
The means to their success lies buried in crumbling vaults with broken headstones,
No reflection left of all the tears, shed down the years.
THE SORCERER.