Kramnik-Topalov News
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(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)miket
(<mailto:miketwyble@hotmail.com>):
i perhaps have slightly more sympathy for the topalov case than the author though
agreeing that the case has been poorly put by the toplaov camp.
kramnik would have to be accepted as world champion de facto after the kasparov match
and provided a qualification cycle which culminated in the frankly disappointing leko
match. since then kramnik has done nothing to produce a legitimate cycle of qualification
matches and there seems little or no prospect of one.how long can he go on claiming to
be world champion in these circumstances?
the problem is that he has now opted out of the fide cycle which was in a format that was
both enjoyable and seemed to provide a legitimate champion??[ i realise the issues with
that last statement].
the truth is that top class chess desperately needs a recognised champion in the post
kasparov era and i concur in the hope that a topalov-kramnik match is on the cards.
11.17.2005 4:39am
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)supergrobi:
i think one of the main problems is that fide wants to skip matches entirely. personally i
can accept a tournament for qualification purposes but not directly for the title.
exceptions might be the more or less sudden disappearance of the reigning champion in
one way or the other (alekhine, fischer), but we still have a (classical) world champion
with kramnik who is willing to play. maybe danailov wants to enter the chess books as
the man who ended the classical line of world champions—who knows if ponomariov
would have played kasparov without him...
(i don't know why kasparov says that kramnik is history and topalov the new champion.
maybe he is tired of writing books on that topic and doesn't want to make more money
with a "my great successors" series? this is of course a rhethorical question. everybody
knows how frustrated kasparov is because he didn't get a rematch vs. kramnik. sadly
enough this is his own fault by relinquishing the rematch clause. btw, sorry for my poor
english, i'm not a native english speaker.)
11.17.2005 5:16am
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)acirce
(<mailto:ulfhamm@hotmail.com>):
"since then kramnik has done nothing to produce a legitimate cycle of qualification
matches and there seems little or no prospect of one."
people putting this argument forward never explain why kramnik would produce a cycle
of his own while unification is still an issue. that would be an act of sabotage.
11.17.2005 9:15am
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)bret helm:
topalov is correct. kramnik needs to get over himself!
11.17.2005 3:44pm
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)dennis
monokroussos:
there are many people who need to get over themselves - maybe all of us sometimes! -
but i don't see either how that's relevant to the negotiations or any coherent way in which
that's argued in the passage i cited. like kramnik, dislike him; that's fine. but a lousy
argument is still a lousy argument, whether it supports your side or not.
11.17.2005 7:14pm
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)bret helm:
i don't find it a lousy argument, dennis. if kramnik weren't given a chance to play in san
luis, then that is one thing. but, the way i understand it, he was. he apparently thought that
a legitimate competition against his peers was beneath him and that he was entitled to a
match against topalov. that sounds sort of prima donna to me. i find it admirable that
topalov turned down some serious money just on principle. don't get me wrong. i do not
dislike kramnik. however, i believe that he was being very presumptious to think he was
entitled, as if by fiat, to challenge the winner there to a championship title.
11.18.2005 11:03am
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)dennis
monokroussos:
hi bret,
two quick responses. first, topalov isn't qualifying for kramnik's half of the title, either,
which is the main point. it's not because kramnik is tall or popular that he's got a stake in
reunification, but because he's a title-holder. both topalov and danailov have recognized
kramnik's title as legitimate, and not once in the history of chess has a title been stripped
based on "recent mediocre results". second, even if there is a good argument to be had in
this neighborhood, it wasn't made by danailov in the passage i cite.
the current system, as you describe is akin to professional boxing where the challenger
has to fight a slew of opponents before getting a chance to fight the current title holder.
the way i describe is more like the tough man competitions where no matter who wins
what, for each competition every competitor starts at point zero. i view that as the more
correct way to do it as it results in a more robust determination of the winner.
11.18.2005 2:40pm
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)dennis
monokroussos:
bret,
your desire to see the title determined by tournaments is reasonable. it also has nothing to
do with either the topalov/danailov argument against kramnik nor their proposal to
defend the title by matches with 2700s willing to pony up the dough. the attacks on
kramnik are also misplaced: if avoiding competition makes one a "weenie", as you put it
in a comment i deleted, then it may be time to wrap topalov in a bun.
finally, topalov recognized the legitimacy of kramnik's title when he competed in that
cycle, danailov repeatedly recognized it, even after san luis, before topalov induced his
current state of amnesia. further, fide had intended reunification for at least the last three
years. so whatever virtues san luis had, it doesn't make kramnik's title magically
disappear: it never rested on that event, and participation therein was never part of any
agreement.
on the other hand, kramnik has allowed that the title will be unified under fide after such
a match takes place, when fide will decide if the title will be awarded via a tournament,
match, or a bake-off with the iron chef. so the only impediment to a happy ending is
topalov, who would rush to play such a match, i think, if his career score vs. kramnik
wasn't so horrible.
11.18.2005 5:38pm
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)capatal
(<mailto:brentwood 1 @ cox.net>):
we think your statement that topalov would rush to play
a kramnik match-if his career score vs. kramnik wasn't
so horrible-is exactly right dennis.( chicken feather
syndrome ? )
11.20.2005 1:55am
(link <http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1132198097.shtml>)acirce
(<mailto:ulfhamm@hotmail.com>):
trying to read topalov's mind can be tough. i don't think it has to be about being afraid to
lose more than about being so loyal to fide. if kasparov or anand challenged him through
fide's new "interim world championship match" rules (according to which you can simply
buy a shot at the title as long as you're rated above 2700) he'd probably accept. (we'll,
he'd have to, since it seems to be fide that decides according to the published rules.)
11.20.2005 6:24am
bulgaria's topalov suffers 2nd narrow defeat from kramnik
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70115> veselin
topalov, 31, the
bulgarian grandmaster
who is the top-ranked
player in the world,
was defeated again in
the second game of
the match against
vladimir kramnik.
photo by
www.fide.com
sports: 24 september 2006, sunday.
veselin topalov, 31, the bulgarian grandmaster who is the top-ranked player in the world,
was defeated again in the second game of the match against vladimir kramnik, a russian
grandmaster, ranked no. 4.
the third game in the 12-game match is scheduled for tuesday, 2 pm bulgarian time.
experts commented that the second game, where the bulgarian played with white and
missed a precious opportunity to take the lead, has been one of the most exciting ever.
vladimir kramnik won the first game in 75 moves lasting six and a half hours. in a
drawing position, topalov refused to repeat moves, pressed for a win and blundered on
the 57th move.
topalov and kramnik vie to be crowned the true and only world champion. they will also
share the prize of usd1 m.
the two players inspire reminiscences of kasparov and karpov, who first started the
schism in the chess world back in 1993.
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the first game of a match to resolve rival claims to the world chess championship ended
in victory for vladimir kramnik
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ml?inline=nyt-per> of russia after his opponent, veselin topalov of bulgaria, pressed too
hard for a win in a position in which he was at least certain of a draw.
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the new york times
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.nc3 nf6 4.nf3 dxc4 5.a4 bf5 6.e3 e6 7.bxc4 bb4 8.0-0 nbd7 9.qe2 bg6
10.e4 0-0 11.bd3 bh5 12.e5 nd5 13.nxd5 cxd5 14.qe3 bg6 15.ng5 re8 16.f4 bxd3n
[16...rc8 17.g4 f6 18.bxg6 hxg6 19.nf3 qc7 20.qd3 nf8 21.f5 gxf5 22.gxf5 fxe5 23.nxe5
exf5 24.qxf5 bd6 25.nf7 re7 26.nxd6 qxd6 27.qxc8 qg6+ 28.bg5 qxg5+ 29.kh1 1-0
pelletier,y (2624)-deviatkin,a (2487)/moscow rus 2003/the week in chess 433]
17.qxd3 f5 18.be3 nf8 19.kh1 rc8 20. g4 qd7 21. rg1 be7 22. nf3 rc4 23. rg2 fxg4 24.
rxg4 rxa4 25. rag1 g6 26. h4 rb4 27. h5 qb5 28. qc2 rxb2 29. hxg6 h5 30. g7 hxg4 31.
gxf8q+ bxf8? 31... kxf8 was forced. 32. qg6+?? [32.rxg4+ bg7 33.qc7 qf1+ 34.ng1
wins.] 32...bg7 33.f5 [33.rxg4 qf1+ 34.ng1 re7] 33...re7 34.f6 qe2 35.qxg4 rf7 36.rc1
[36.qh5] 36...rc2 37.rxc2 qd1+ 38.kg2 qxc2+ 39.kg3 qe4 40.bf4 qf5 41.qxf5 exf5
42.bg5 a5 43.kf4 a4 44.kxf5 a3 45.bc1 bf8 46.e6 rc7 47.bxa3 bxa3 48.ke5 rc1 [48...rc3!
looks the best.; 48...b5] 49.ng5 rf1 50.e7 re1+ 51.kxd5 bxe7 52.fxe7 rxe7 53.kd6 re1
54.d5 kf8 55.ne6+ ke8 56. nc7+ kd8 57.ne6+ kc8 58.ke7 rh1 59.ng5 b5 60.d6 rd1 61.
ne6 b4 62. nc5 re1+ 63. kf6 re3 0-1 a complete disaster for topalov, he should have been
at least level in this match on chances, but instead he's gone 2-0 down.