Wikidata:Property proposal/Cambridge University Press ID

Cambridge University Press ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Cambridge University Press ID (P12847) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier of a book from Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Represents	Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344), book (Q571)
Allowed values	[0-9A-Z]\d*
Example 1	The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125563950) → 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161
Example 2	The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125636500) → A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E
Example 3	Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125620665) → D41279E1C128C2100E024BF2DADD7E52
Example 4	Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125620946) → BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115
Example 5	Sufism and Theology (Q125620351) → ECB706A62A37EC7196C427660AF06F07
Source	https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/
Number of IDs in source	more than 40,000 entries
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/$1
See also	Book publishers properties
Applicable "stated in"-value	Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Books (Q8487081)

Motivation

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Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (URL: https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

 Comment The slug ("cambridge-companion-to-american-islam") is not needed, the actual id is the string following. You can replace it with '_' in the formatter URL, so they don't need that prefix string at all. So we can have 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161 as the ID example. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: Thanks for the excellent clarification which allowed me to remove the unnecessary prefix string, and here we are now with an alphanumeric identifier. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

•  Support by the way. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
•  Comment The examples given here are not in conformance with the WikiProjects Books policy (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books) of creating an item for a work, and then other items for each edition. This proposed identifier identifies a particular edition/manifestation, since it is an ISBN. It belongs on items that have instances of version, edition or translation (Q3331189) on them. I would support this proposal and others like it if it followed the WikiProjects Books guidelines. Also incorrect: these items listed as examples have instance of book (Q571) but they should be instance of written work (Q47461344). AdamSeattle (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

  @AdamSeattle: Thanks for the clarifications, and I've just added the written work instance (written work (Q47461344)) to the property proposal. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

  @AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

  The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

  @AdamSeattle:, thanks for your opinion. @Soufiyouns:, could you please clarify/rearrange as suggested by @AdamSeattle:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

 Comment @AdamSeattle: Thank you for your advice and guidance. I have removed examples that have not been published by Cambridge University Press (Q912887). I think that only the links for version items remain in this property proposal. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

No that is not the case. All the Cambridge items I looked at are still for the work. They have instance of "written work" or "book" or "book series" and they don't represent the version, edition, or translation. AdamSeattle (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@AdamSeattle: Try to suggest me a sample item from the website of Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

This is an example of how books are described in Wikidata. There is supposed to be an item for the work that is independent of any particular edition or publication of it. And then there are supposed to be items for every published edition or version of that work. For example, this is the item for Toni Morrison's novel The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye (Q1069956). The work item cannot have ISBN or catalog numbers for a specific edition. That goes in the items for editions. Here's the item for the first edition of The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye: A Novel (Q125910691). The same should be done for each of the Cambridge Press books - an item for the work, and then an item for a specific edition that has information about the date of publication, publisher, place of publication, and ISBNs for that edition. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@AdamSeattle: Thank you for these clear and precise explanations. If I understood correctly, Wikidata properties should only refer to editions and versions of basic literary works. This requires careful reflection on my part in order to reshape my proposals. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's another example that I just created for a subject dictionary: The Drama Dictionary (Q125931504) (the work) and The Drama Dictionary (Q125931727) (an edition, version, etc. of the work, which we also call a manifestation). I hope this also helps. And don't forget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. AdamSeattle (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@AdamSeattle: Thank you for the courteous and pleasant educational follow-up. I now present to you the following reference works: The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125995834), The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125995655), Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125995939), Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125996242) and Sufism and Theology (Q125996428). Is the property proposal acceptable after this content improvement? Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I corrected instance of (P31) on the items in the proposal. They should have been version, edition or translation (Q3331189). I think the proposal is OK now. AdamSeattle (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Support If the IDs for all Cambridge University Press publications are 32 characters in length, the regex could be revised as [A-Z0-9]{32}. AdamSeattle (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• @Soufiyouns, ArthurPSmith, AdamSeattle:  Done as Cambridge University Press ID (P12847). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)