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|example 1 = {{Q|125563950}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161] |
|example 1 = {{Q|125563950}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161] |
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|example 2 = {{Q|125636500}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E] |
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|example 3 = {{Q|125620665}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/D41279E1C128C2100E024BF2DADD7E52 D41279E1C128C2100E024BF2DADD7E52] |
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|example 4 = {{Q|125620946}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115 BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115] |
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|example 5 = {{Q|125620351}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/ECB706A62A37EC7196C427660AF06F07 ECB706A62A37EC7196C427660AF06F07] |
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|example 9 = {{Q|125620946}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115 BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115] |
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|example 10 = {{Q|125636500}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E] |
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|example 11 = {{Q|125636919}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/355E383FB8CDA5403A450F7774F54E2B 355E383FB8CDA5403A450F7774F54E2B] |
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|example 12 = {{Q|125689723}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/76D7F1C73E8D4A95EBCF6A45284B368D 76D7F1C73E8D4A95EBCF6A45284B368D] |
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|example 13 = {{Q|125689852}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/1559222639A97EA8DAC4A042B1FCA882 1559222639A97EA8DAC4A042B1FCA882] |
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|example 14 = {{Q|125690354}} → [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/7E75B4277F1D26566B4685922D51635C 7E75B4277F1D26566B4685922D51635C] |
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|source = https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/ |
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*:::The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC) |
*:::The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*::::{{re|AdamSeattle}}, thanks for your opinion. {{ping|Soufiyouns}}, could you please clarify/rearrange as suggested by {{re|AdamSeattle}}. Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''ZI Jony'''</span>]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 03:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
*::::{{re|AdamSeattle}}, thanks for your opinion. {{ping|Soufiyouns}}, could you please clarify/rearrange as suggested by {{re|AdamSeattle}}. Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''ZI Jony'''</span>]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 03:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{comment}} {{re|AdamSeattle}} Thank you for your advice and guidance. I have removed examples that have not been published by {{Q|912887}}. Regards. --[[User:Soufiyouns|Soufiyouns]] ([[User talk:Soufiyouns|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
: {{comment}} {{re|AdamSeattle}} Thank you for your advice and guidance. I have removed examples that have not been published by {{Q|912887}}. I think that only the links for version items remain in this property proposal. Regards. --[[User:Soufiyouns|Soufiyouns]] ([[User talk:Soufiyouns|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::No that is not the case. All the Cambridge items I looked at are still for the work. They have instance of "written work" or "book" or "book series" and they don't represent the version, edition, or translation. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|AdamSeattle}} Try to suggest me a sample item from the website of {{Q|912887}} (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). Regards. [[User:Soufiyouns|Soufiyouns]] ([[User talk:Soufiyouns|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::This is an example of how books are described in Wikidata. There is supposed to be an item for the work that is independent of any particular edition or publication of it. And then there are supposed to be items for every published edition or version of that work. For example, this is the item for Toni Morrison's novel The Bluest Eye: {{Q|1069956}}. The work item cannot have ISBN or catalog numbers for a specific edition. That goes in the items for editions. Here's the item for the first edition of The Bluest Eye: {{Q|125910691}}. The same should be done for each of the Cambridge Press books - an item for the work, and then an item for a specific edition that has information about the date of publication, publisher, place of publication, and ISBNs for that edition. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::{{re|AdamSeattle}} Thank you for these clear and precise explanations. If I understood correctly, Wikidata properties should only refer to editions and versions of basic literary works. This requires careful reflection on my part in order to reshape my proposals. Regards. [[User:Soufiyouns|Soufiyouns]] ([[User talk:Soufiyouns|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Here's another example that I just created for a subject dictionary: {{Q|125931504}} (the work) and {{Q|125931727}} (an edition, version, etc. of the work, which we also call a manifestation). I hope this also helps. And don't forget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{re|AdamSeattle}} Thank you for the courteous and pleasant educational follow-up. I now present to you the following reference works: {{Q|125995834}}, {{Q|125995655}}, {{Q|125995939}}, {{Q|125996242}} and {{Q|125996428}}. Is the property proposal acceptable after this content improvement? Regards. [[User:Soufiyouns|Soufiyouns]] ([[User talk:Soufiyouns|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::{{ping|AdamSeattle}}, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''ZI Jony'''</span>]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I corrected {{P|31}} on the items in the proposal. They should have been {{Q|3331189}}. I think the proposal is OK now. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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* {{s}} If the IDs for all Cambridge University Press publications are 32 characters in length, the regex could be revised as [A-Z0-9]{32}. [[User:AdamSeattle|AdamSeattle]] ([[User talk:AdamSeattle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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* {{re|Soufiyouns|ArthurPSmith|AdamSeattle}} {{done}} as {{P|12847}}. Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''ZI Jony'''</span>]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|<sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup>]] 13:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 13:20, 25 June 2024
Cambridge University Press ID
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control
Motivation
[edit]Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (URL: https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Comment The slug ("cambridge-companion-to-american-islam") is not needed, the actual id is the string following. You can replace it with '_' in the formatter URL, so they don't need that prefix string at all. So we can have 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161 as the ID example. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: Thanks for the excellent clarification which allowed me to remove the unnecessary prefix string, and here we are now with an alphanumeric identifier. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support by the way. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The examples given here are not in conformance with the WikiProjects Books policy (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books) of creating an item for a work, and then other items for each edition. This proposed identifier identifies a particular edition/manifestation, since it is an ISBN. It belongs on items that have instances of version, edition or translation (Q3331189) on them. I would support this proposal and others like it if it followed the WikiProjects Books guidelines. Also incorrect: these items listed as examples have instance of book (Q571) but they should be instance of written work (Q47461344). AdamSeattle (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thanks for the clarifications, and I've just added the written work instance (written work (Q47461344)) to the property proposal. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle:, thanks for your opinion. @Soufiyouns:, could you please clarify/rearrange as suggested by @AdamSeattle:. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 03:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thanks for the clarifications, and I've just added the written work instance (written work (Q47461344)) to the property proposal. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @AdamSeattle: Thank you for your advice and guidance. I have removed examples that have not been published by Cambridge University Press (Q912887). I think that only the links for version items remain in this property proposal. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- No that is not the case. All the Cambridge items I looked at are still for the work. They have instance of "written work" or "book" or "book series" and they don't represent the version, edition, or translation. AdamSeattle (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Try to suggest me a sample item from the website of Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is an example of how books are described in Wikidata. There is supposed to be an item for the work that is independent of any particular edition or publication of it. And then there are supposed to be items for every published edition or version of that work. For example, this is the item for Toni Morrison's novel The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye (Q1069956). The work item cannot have ISBN or catalog numbers for a specific edition. That goes in the items for editions. Here's the item for the first edition of The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye: A Novel (Q125910691). The same should be done for each of the Cambridge Press books - an item for the work, and then an item for a specific edition that has information about the date of publication, publisher, place of publication, and ISBNs for that edition. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thank you for these clear and precise explanations. If I understood correctly, Wikidata properties should only refer to editions and versions of basic literary works. This requires careful reflection on my part in order to reshape my proposals. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here's another example that I just created for a subject dictionary: The Drama Dictionary (Q125931504) (the work) and The Drama Dictionary (Q125931727) (an edition, version, etc. of the work, which we also call a manifestation). I hope this also helps. And don't forget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. AdamSeattle (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thank you for the courteous and pleasant educational follow-up. I now present to you the following reference works: The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125995834), The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125995655), Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125995939), Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125996242) and Sufism and Theology (Q125996428). Is the property proposal acceptable after this content improvement? Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I corrected instance of (P31) on the items in the proposal. They should have been version, edition or translation (Q3331189). I think the proposal is OK now. AdamSeattle (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thank you for the courteous and pleasant educational follow-up. I now present to you the following reference works: The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125995834), The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125995655), Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125995939), Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125996242) and Sufism and Theology (Q125996428). Is the property proposal acceptable after this content improvement? Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here's another example that I just created for a subject dictionary: The Drama Dictionary (Q125931504) (the work) and The Drama Dictionary (Q125931727) (an edition, version, etc. of the work, which we also call a manifestation). I hope this also helps. And don't forget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. AdamSeattle (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Thank you for these clear and precise explanations. If I understood correctly, Wikidata properties should only refer to editions and versions of basic literary works. This requires careful reflection on my part in order to reshape my proposals. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is an example of how books are described in Wikidata. There is supposed to be an item for the work that is independent of any particular edition or publication of it. And then there are supposed to be items for every published edition or version of that work. For example, this is the item for Toni Morrison's novel The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye (Q1069956). The work item cannot have ISBN or catalog numbers for a specific edition. That goes in the items for editions. Here's the item for the first edition of The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye: A Novel (Q125910691). The same should be done for each of the Cambridge Press books - an item for the work, and then an item for a specific edition that has information about the date of publication, publisher, place of publication, and ISBNs for that edition. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AdamSeattle: Try to suggest me a sample item from the website of Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- No that is not the case. All the Cambridge items I looked at are still for the work. They have instance of "written work" or "book" or "book series" and they don't represent the version, edition, or translation. AdamSeattle (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support If the IDs for all Cambridge University Press publications are 32 characters in length, the regex could be revised as [A-Z0-9]{32}. AdamSeattle (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Soufiyouns, ArthurPSmith, AdamSeattle: Done as Cambridge University Press ID (P12847). Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)