Talk:Cherry ice cream

Cherry Garcia

What relevance does a single brand have to cherry ice cream? Why is it more notable than the thousands of cherry ice creams by other manufacturers? Why is the start of production in the US noted and what relevance does that have to cherry ice cream? Was it the first country to mass produce? Was it the only to do so at the time? What years did other countries start mass production? Seems rather odd to highlight one particular brand anyway in a way that can only be described as a totally useless and tacked on factoid to have something for DYK. Sorry to say but the entire mass production section should go because it does not really say anything about mass production the way it is. Or at least drop the second totally irrelevant sentence and expand the first by stating why the US mass production start in 1917 was special. 91.49.70.65 (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

• This aspect of the topic has been covered extensively in reliable sources, to a very high degree; per this, its omission would make the article incomplete. The Ben & Jerry's flavor/brand has received significant coverage, so it merits inclusion.

Feel free to expand the article about other aspects of the topic that is covered in reliable sources. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I am not complaining about it not being covered in reliable sources(and frankly it is delicious ice cream lol), its inclusion seems to give undue attention without any explenation as to why it is important. And how would it make the article incomplete? Seems to give one particular brand undue weight by giving it percentage wise a massive amount of article space. Especialy in context of mass production having started in 1917, in the us at least. So why is a 1987 product relevant? Has it revolutionised cherry ice cream somehow? It just seems to give that particular brand way too much WP:UNDUE weight in the article. 91.49.77.110 (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Mind, the rest of the article i like and find interesting, as much as one can find an article about ice cream flavours interesting i guess. Just the last section, to me, gives undue weight and seems very short without any context. As i said, something like the first country to mass produce, if it was not the US. If it was, mention it specifically. Perhaps the brand of the first mass produced cherry ice cream. But how does Ben & Jerry's 1987 product stand out in mass production when it was mass produced for at least over 70 years at that point? 91.49.69.208 (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

And lastly, even if Ben & Jerry's ice cream is relevant, what does having been named after Jerry Garcia have to do with mass production? And in regards to the sources, the Daily Telegraph source is not linked to anything other than the wikipedia article of the it, the second just mentions that it is in fact named after Jerry Garcia and the third is the trademark assignment, basically confirming that it even exists. Neither of the two sources availible through the references seem to be giving any special weight to the importance of Cherry Garcia in the world of cherry ice cream. So at the very least the Jerry Garcia bit should be removed as it really is totally irrelevant, just leave the production start of Ben & Jerry's in if it that important for some unexplained reason. Maybe make a trivia section and move the Jerry Garcia bit into there. In the mass production section it is very much WP:UNDUE weight and does not even have anything to do with mass production... That i would ever argue with someone about the merrits of nuances of cherry ice cream hahaha... 91.49.69.208 (talk) 20:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

It would be better to simply expand the article with more content about brands of cherry ice cream. There's not a lot of sourcing out there, though. See below:

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Regarding the Ben & Jerry's matter, I still disagree. Furthermore, a total of four users involved in the DYK process also had no problems with this content being in the article, myself, who composed the hook, the reviewer, the promoter, and the administrator who moved the hook into the final dyk queue, also including an image of Cherry Garcia ice cream on main page to accompany the hook.

Lastly, the page received 9,308 page views when the article was on main page, and nobody else has complained or taken issue with the matter here. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

But it still makes no sense and your explanation that no other person raised it, and hence there is nothing wrong, does not satisfy me either. And it passing DYK... yea sorry, that seems exactly the reason for this "issue". Paraphrasing here, "in 1917 cherry ice cream started to be mass produced in the US" (fine, encyclopedic, on topic for the section). Then it goes on to "oh and in 1987 some company started to make cherry ice cream and gave it a funny name"(no relevance established in the article, totally disconnected from the previous sentence, not on topic of the section and trivia at the end). How is it not WP:UNDUE to dedicate about two thirds of the mass production section to ben & jerry's and about a quarter just about it being named after Jerry Garcia? And again, i have no issue with it being in the article. I have an issue with its current location and way of presenting it. I get that you would like it to stay as is, but don't you see at least a little bit where my criticism is coming from? 91.49.68.87 (talk) 02:07, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

So any answer to why it is not undue or even remotely on topic for mass production? If not i will remove it per WP:UNDUE within the next week or so. Unless of course it was moved into a trivia section or the like. Have a good day anyway and sorry to make an issue out of something quite trivial but the way it is just bothers me for some reason as it just does not fit into the section as is, has nothing to do with mass production and is trivia . 91.49.94.182 (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I moved the content (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Cheers for that, i cannot even say why it bothered me so much to be so annoying about it... So, i am truly sorry for bothering you so much about such a minor matter. 91.49.94.182 (talk) 03:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)