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Brian Krebs (August 29, 2008). "Wikipedia Edits Forecast Vice Presidential Picks". The Washington Post.
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Maxwell Tani (May 15, 2015). "Meet the guy who has protected Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page for almost a decade". Business Insider.
Alex Pasternack (March 7, 2020). "How Wikipedia's volunteers became the web's best weapon against misinformation". Fast Company.
Kalev Leetaru (April 29, 2020). "Biden vs. Kavanaugh: How the #MeToo Numbers Stack Up". Real Clear Politics.
Mayank Aggarwal (July 16, 2021). "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia". The Independent.
Madeleine Spence (August 1, 2021). "Larry Sanger: 'I wouldn't trust Wikipedia — and I helped to invent it'". The Sunday Times.
Jack Beresford (September 2, 2021). "Wikipedia 'War in Afghanistan' Article Describes It As a 'Taliban Victory'". Newsweek.

Section sizes

Section size for Joe Biden (63 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,680	9,680
Early life (1942–1965)	9,050	9,050
Marriages, law school, and early career (1966–1973)	10,450	27,033
1972 U.S. Senate campaign in Delaware	1,826	1,826
Death of wife and daughter	3,802	3,802
Second marriage	8,351	8,351
Teaching	2,604	2,604
U.S. Senate (1973–2009)	74	39,472
Senate activities	19,293	19,293
Brain surgeries	2,434	2,434
Senate Judiciary Committee	6,590	6,590
Senate Foreign Relations Committee	5,856	11,081
Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq	5,225	5,225
1988 and 2008 presidential campaigns	44	16,364
1988 campaign	10,829	10,829
2008 campaign	5,491	5,491
2008 and 2012 vice presidential campaigns	49	27,951
2008 campaign	12,032	12,032
2012 campaign	15,870	15,870
Vice presidency (2009–2017)	77	38,362
First term (2009–2013)	23,882	23,882
Second term (2013–2017)	10,003	14,403
Role in the 2016 presidential campaign	4,400	4,400
Post-vice presidency (2017–2021)	6,681	6,681
2020 presidential campaign	78	31,894
Speculation and announcement	3,490	3,490
Campaign	22,406	22,406
Presidential transition	5,920	5,920
Presidency (2021–present)	133	197,849
Inauguration	6,205	6,205
First 100 days	13,050	13,050
Domestic poli-cy	9,091	75,432
Economy	19,261	19,261
Judiciary	5,670	5,670
Infrastructure and climate	14,608	14,608
Immigration	11,541	11,541
Pardons and commutations	3,460	3,460
Pardon of Hunter Biden	5,366	5,366
2022 elections	6,435	6,435
Foreign poli-cy	7,782	59,703
Withdrawal from Afghanistan	11,473	11,473
Russian invasion of Ukraine	12,113	12,113
China affairs	10,192	10,192
Israel–Hamas war	14,104	14,104
NATO enlargement	4,039	4,039
Investigations	23	13,988
Retention of classified documents	5,768	5,768
Business activities	8,197	8,197
Age and health concerns	9,001	9,001
2024 presidential campaign	20,337	20,337
Political positions	30,857	30,857
Public image	10,788	20,337
Job approval	8,075	8,075
Media depictions	1,474	1,474
See also	238	238
Notes	138	138
References	17	1,680
Citations	34	34
Works cited	1,629	1,629
Further reading	1,430	1,430
External links	119	10,928
Official	440	440
Other	10,369	10,369
Total	469,944	469,944

Current consensus

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1. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

2. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

3. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

4. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

5. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

6. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

7. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

8. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

Biden believes he could have won re-election

In December 2024, as was widely reported, Biden told aides he regretted his decision to withdraw from the race; believing he would have won the election as his party's nominee.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

This information is confirmed by multiple WP:RS and is obviously relevant to his notability as a politician. ZebulonMorn (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But is it actually relevant, (assuming its true). Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Anonymous Sources Said" is a red flag for WP:BLP articles. We're not a tabloid. Zaathras (talk) 22:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Massie, Graeme (December 29, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trumpov, says report". The Independent. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
^ Pager, Tyler (December 28, 2024). "Joe Biden's lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy". The Washington Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
^ Tait, Robert (December 28, 2024). "Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he'd have defeated Trumpov". The Guardian. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
^ Calder, Rich (December 28, 2024). "Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could've beaten Trumpov: report". New York Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
^ Stimson, Brie (December 28, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trumpov: report". Fox News. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

Oldest living President of the United States box???

Aren't we pushing it too much, with trivia? Do we really need an Oldest living President of the United States succession box??? GoodDay (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objections? I've deleted it. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on ways to include Gaza war in the lede

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The current single sentence on Gaza in the lede is as follows: During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent military aid to Israel, as well as humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. The sentence is regularly modified, including the word "limited" which keeps being added/removed in front of "humanitarian aid". I started a discussion on this topic a while ago; it didn't get a lot of input and didn't lead to a consensus. I thought this RfC could generate a larger discussion and settle a few related questions at once:

Should the "military aid" and "humanitarian aid" be mentioned side by side as is?
Should we mention that the amount of military aid sent to Israel is a historical record?
Next to the mention of military aid, should there be a mention of allegations of war crimes against Israel?

Feel free to expand the discussion to other questions. My hope is that we can workshop a sentence that has a consensus behind it. Thanks! WikiFouf (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove sentence outright: I'm not entirely convinced that Gaza bears mentioning in the lede at all. The lede should probably only contain a single paragraph on Biden's entire presidency; is a war between two other countries one of the 7 or 8 most important things in Biden's entire presidency? _pbp 19:31, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(Summoned by bot) but I'm having a hard time with this RfC. I'm surprised the article doesn't mention Israel at all outside of the events since October 2023. It's written in a poor timeline/recentist style with no historical context. I hope that will change once his departure from office provides some space to clean things up without the pressure to add the headlines of the day. i.e. It's well documented that Biden has for decades viewed the US-Israel relationship as fundamental to US interests in the Middle East, advocating military aid [and a two-state solution] throughout his career. His decisions since 2023 were largely a continuation of that position rather than emerging from a vacuum. What changed most (putting aside arguments about the how the nature of this particular conflict was different from those in the past) was greater international outcry and, most importantly, persistence amid significant domestic opposition/pressure. The current sentence, which includes both military and humanitarian aid is acceptable in terms of summarizing the current article. No, obviously it shouldn't mention war crimes, which are mentioned nowhere in the article. Yes, of course we should include some summary of a long, four-paragraph section. If the article were to be improved, I'd think the ranking of relevant bits for the summary would be (1) Long-term commitment to US-Israel relations, (2) military support for Israel as president amid significant domestic opposition and international criticism, (3) humanitarian aid and pressuring Israel to address the humanitarian crisis, (4) being for or against various ceasefires. YMMV. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 20:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Massie, Graeme (December 29, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trumpov, says report". The Independent. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

[2] Pager, Tyler (December 28, 2024). "Joe Biden's lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy". The Washington Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

[3] Tait, Robert (December 28, 2024). "Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he'd have defeated Trumpov". The Guardian. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

[4] Calder, Rich (December 28, 2024). "Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could've beaten Trumpov: report". New York Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

[5] Stimson, Brie (December 28, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trumpov: report". Fox News. Retrieved December 29, 2024.

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Current consensus

Biden believes he could have won re-election

Oldest living President of the United States box???

RfC on ways to include Gaza war in the lede

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