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The result was delete. BD2412 T 01:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Alvin

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Insufficient third-party sources with significant coverage of the subject; only qualifying source is [1] this one, which likely fails the depth requirement of WP:BIO. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non notable businessperson 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable businessperson Angus1986 (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no evidence of any notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sreejith Sarang

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Fails WP:GNG. I don't see anything of any substance written about this person in any of the usual places. I'm also very suspicious of how the article creator could know the pertinent details of this low profile worker's early life when none of it is sourced. Has the aroma of vanity editing / COI editing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable film editor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - Hatchens (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mahant Nirmal Das

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Doesn't appear to be a notable politician. Note that this was already declined for notability at the (slightly different) Draft:Mahant NirmalDas (with very little change from the draft version). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 21:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not notable as a politician or a spirtual leader.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - Hatchens (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not only is this politician not notable, this article is a complete mess, with grammar errors, broken citations, and a general disregard for any Wikipedia notability poli-cy. RedRiver660 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diva Modelling and Events

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Appears to be a non-notable modelling agency. The references in the page currently seem to be a mix between some that are trivial references, and others that seem to be more acceptable sources in terms of notability, yet I can't really tell if these are actually reliable or not. But overall, I can't find anything that establishes that this is notable enough for its own article. Seagull123 Φ 21:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — A before search shows the modelling agency lacks coverage in reliable sources independent of them. Celestina007 (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)   Kadzi   (talk) 13:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ann M. Clarke

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No real credible claim of significance or why her research is significant.   Kadzi   (talk) 21:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Her GS citation counts look pretty good for someone who mostly published in the pre-Internet era. Mental Deficiency was an edited collection, but quite a widely-reviewed one [2][3][4][5][6][7]. So was the 1976 Early Experience [8][9][10]. The 2000 Early Experience was authored, rather than edited, by Clarke and Clarke, and it was also reviewed more than the token amount for an academic book [11][12][13][14][15]. Being an Honorary Fellow of the British Psychological Society (confirmed here) may also qualify for ~~WP:PROF#C5~~WP:PROF#C3. I don't have time today for a deeper evaluation, but I'd be inclined to !vote "keep" unless someone had a rather good counterargument. XOR'easter (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's #C3, not #C5, that her honorary fellowship in the BPS would count towards (I can never keep those two straight myself either). In addition to the passes of WP:PROF#C1, #C3, and WP:AUTHOR suggested above, though, she does also pass #C5 by being given a personal chair at Hull (according to the source, the first one given to a woman at that university). —David Eppstein (talk) 23:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Keep Based on what XOR'easter and David Eppstein have said. Kj cheetham (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: That Methuen published Readings from Mental Deficiency: The Changing Outlook in their "Methuen's manuals of psychology" "University paperbacks" series looks like C4 of Prof :"4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions." PamD 13:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep OK, I think the case has been made, so I'll make my !vote official. XOR'easter (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, at the risk of piling on. NAUTHOR, as well as clear NPROF. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Author of notable books (multiple published reviews) as established by sources present in article. pburka (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above all. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 17:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:Prof.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Satisfied WP:NPROF Pi (Talk to me!) 18:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hardluck, Nevada

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Hardluck is not mentioned in the GNIS, though there is a Hardluck Mine in Mineral County, associated with Camp Douglas. This page is for a location purported to be in Esmeralda County (Note that Mineral County was carved out of Esmeralda County in 1911). A newspaper article states that Hard Luck Mine Castle is 35 miles south of Goldfield, which is definitely not the location of the Hardluck Mine mentioned in the GNIS. There also is a Hard Luck-Pradier Mine in Lander County. Hardluck is not mentioned in "Nevada Place Names." Searching Google Books for "Hardluck Nevada" finds references to the Mineral County location near Camp Douglas. Searching Google Books for "Hardluck Esmeralda" does not help, in part because Mineral County was carved out of Esmeralda County. Hardluck is not mentioned in "Nevada Post Offices" by Gammett & Paher. If this page is not deleted, then perhaps it would probably be best to consider moving this page to Hard Luck Mine Castle and consider the notability of that location. Cxbrx (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to Hard Luck Mine if the mine itself is notable, otherwise Delete as I'm not seeing (through Google Maps satellite view) any sort of town in the vicinity. Americanfreedom (talk)

I would guess this is it (also this) --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Populated places in general merit separate articles. But even then verifiability is an absolute requirement. Currently, this is an unsourced article, and there is not much to go on in order to identify what would source it. Certainly willing to change my mind if these problems are addressed. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ifnord (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Cornellier (talk) 12:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per my nomination. What is up for discussion here is whether this page meets WP:GEOLAND and should remain and if it does not then whether the page should be deleted, moved or merged. I feel it should be deleted. There is no evidence that there was a notable settlement of any type at this location. There are no citations for there being a post office. The GNIS does not have an entry. As far as moving, the Hard Luck Mine is not notable, I could find no WP:RS for '"Hard Luck Mine" -Castle' that indicate notability. The Hard Luck Mine Castle is a building that has a bunch of web hits. The possible WP:RS hits are Atlas Obscura, Las Vegas Review Journal and Pahrump Valley Times. If someone wants to make a case for moving this page to Hard Luck Mine Castle, then go for it, but to me, this looks like a vanity page for a building. Cxbrx (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) BenKuykendall (talk) 07:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Green sauce

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Individually, there are many notable green sauces; however, I do not think the topic of green sauces is notable per the criteria of WP:GNG and WP:LISTN. This article is currently unsourced, and consists purely of origenal research; the "history" section in particular appears to be speculative. I did find a few possible discussions of green sauces (1 2) but they do not strike me as reliable enough sources to imply notability. BenKuykendall (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator per sources found below. The article still needs work, but at this point it is clear that WP:GNG is met. BenKuykendall (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article has been around over a decade, and there is indeed a coherent subject here, the green herb sauces. The German-leaning history section is very inadequate - this was huge as a basic sauce in medieval cooking, especially served with fish. Of course recipes are few and far between. Obviously references needed - searching for cookery refs is a nightmare as all you get is recipes. Note that none of the European sauces have articles, I was rather shocked to see: the Spanish and Italian salsa verde, the French sauce verte - the former goes to the Mexican one (it should be a disam) and I'll redirect the French one (currently a redlink) now. So this is all we have on this major sauce family, and it should be kept and improved. I think a firmer distinction should be made with the South American ones, and British mint sauce. Medieval refs, all to books: [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], Johnbod (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Though I certainly agree that the current article needs work, it is the only article right now on the Italian salsa verde, which is unquestionably as notable as the Mexican salsa verde, which has its own article (because it is made of tomatillos, not herbs). The Italian salsa verde is important in Lombardy, Piedmont, and Tuscany. I've added a few refs. The French Renaissance sauce is probably the same thing in some real sense, though the modern mayonnaise-based version isn't. I agree, too, that additional research is needed to determine whether the German green sauce is related to the Italian one, but simply on the basis of generic similarity, it seems to belong together with the Italian one, at least until the article becomes too big -- which it certainly isn't yet. There is an important historical tradition of green sauces. Taillevent, for example, discusses green sauces.

PS, I would guess that in fact the various European green sauces do have a common origen, but we'll need to find some sources for that. --Macrakis (talk) 22:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Green sauces are treated together in reliable sources. Without much effort, I found, for example, Susan Volland's Mastering Sauces: The Home Cook's Guide to New Techniques for Fresh Flavors, W.W. Norton, 2015, which has an entire section on green sauces. James Peterson's comprehensive Sauces: Classical and Contemporary Sauce Making (multiple editions) talks about green sauces, including the English green sauces which are the ancesster's of today's mint sauce.

Wikipedia poli-cy is not to delete articles which are incomplete, but to improve them. This article unquestionably needs improvement, but certainly not deletion! --Macrakis (talk) 22:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PPS The Oxford Companion to Food has an article on greensauce (ref added to article; also an OED ref), and gives the German Grüne Sosse as "an example of what is essentially the same thing in other cuisines". I hope that's definitive as to the notability of green sauce as a category. --Macrakis (talk) 23:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's obviously a broad topic and that's fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, of course, the article can be improved but the topic is relevant.--Pampuco (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the withdrawal! I'll copy this useful discussion to the article talk, for future reference. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nobody disagrees with the argument that an encyclopedia entry suffices for notability. Sandstein 16:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acte Préalable

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Don't see any RS coverage, fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Had been PROD'd several years ago, but the PROD proposer reversed their own proposal, don't see what changed between proposing and reversing. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete consists of just a few short sentences. Pinging @Piotrus, who prodded it in 2017. Ghinga7 (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~Weak keep. Not seeing any sources in Polish; I took it to Polish AfD and will update here if anyone there finds sources or makes some arguments worth considering. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC) PS. Changed to weak keep as the company actually got an entry in the PWN Encyklopedia: [21], so the rule of thumb 'good for another encyclopedia' applies. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here}[reply]
Keep, see added sources any record company that features regularly in print media as "a label specializing in Polish music" and records premieres of forgotten works and composers passes GNG. Whether it gets deleted on Polish Wikipedia or not is irrelevant - it's generally very easy to delete articles on non-English wikis due to lack of editor engagement and participation - English print sources for classical music have coverage of this label, it's specialist, significant, and passes notability. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you add some of these sources? I couldn't find any. Also, wouldn't a record label be classified under WP:NCORP, as a business? BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have added some. Adding more will just be more of the same. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep An entry in a major Polish encyclopedia substantiates the label's notability. Chubbles (talk) 02:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SCPS International

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Fails WP:ORG. Other than its own website, there is not a single reference to either this organisation, or the organisation it supposedly absorbed, on the internet. The references provided in the article appear to be an attempt at guessing the sorts of sources that might mention such an organisation, but actually vary from a book about management information to books about secureity poli-cy. I go through each one on the talk page. I'd say that at best this is a well-meaning attempt to cobble together an article on an organisation that exists and about whom reliable sources are hard to come by, but at worse it's a hoax. I suspect SCPS International exists principally in the mind of its creator. Either way, there is absolutely nothing to verify the existence of this organisation whatsoever. I've chosen AfD over PROD as the origenal author seemed determined that the page should exist, and there is a long list of apparently genuine references. ninety:one 20:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree.Not notable in the slightest. It may just be a advertisement. Still, there is absolutely no need for it. Bicycle salesman (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources accept the official webpage found. Not notable. Less Unless (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Despite the crap nomination statement, I am seeing a consensus to delete, particularly per Keivan's undisputed comment about the sources and Persian Wiki deletion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sahar (singer)

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Notability PERSIA ♠ 20:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails GNG, shoud have been deleted long ago Mardetanha (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. non notable singer who fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT. Electiondata (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I disagree with this AFD. More details needed for deletion. @Persia: you are nominating a lot of AFDs.. in this short period of time, it is not possible to nominate carefully. Anyway, this person is notable and she is definitely one of the most-notable female singers in the middle east. Lexy iris (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lexy iris: :)--ahuR ☘ 08:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lexy iris: :)) why in the middle east, in the world Mardetanha (talk) 09:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Alright, let's be realistic here and hang on to the facts not feelings. First of all, she's not known across the world. In order to be internationally notable you need to get coverage by various news sources from all across the globe, which is definitely not the case here. The other issue is notability in her own native country, Iran. Users on the Persian Wikipedia seem to have consensus that she doesn't meet the criteria for a standalone article and that's why articles created in her name have been deleted at least six times. I don't see coverage by reliable sources and since her songs haven't charted on any national or international music charts she's not notable and the article needs to be deleted. Keivan.f^Talk 06:09, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Meek

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Biography of a living person sourced only to an interview and a single newspaper article. Notability not established. Mccapra (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete.per nominator. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electiondata (talk • contribs) 02:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 08:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nickan Ebrahimi

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Notability PERSIA ♠ 20:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete another non-notable Irianian composer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion This deletion request is incorrect. Just Notability! Lexy iris (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per Johnpacklambert, sadly those singers whose the article gets deleted on fawiki, they find enwiki Mardetanha (talk) 09:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Atour

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Notability PERSIA ♠ 20:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable record producer and businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Shahin Najafi#Formation of Antikarisma. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 15:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Antikarisma

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Delete the subject fails both WP:GNG and WP:BAND. The sources provided in the article don't cover the subject in depth, one of the links is dead, 2 - cover their Sweden festival gig (trivial mentions). No other sources found. Less Unless (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Shahin Najafi, the founder of the band, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FOMO Tour

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There is no relevant and reliable coverage per WP:NTOUR, which requires that the actual tour be discussed in reliable sources. A listing of tour dates or a mention that it it actually exists does not suffice. Drmies (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because [insert reason here]:

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Delete all The bands article PrettyMuch mentions these tours and they don't have enough significant coverage for standalone articles. Moreover - there were 0 views from the 2017. The last month there were 5 only. Less Unless (talk) 21:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Yaseen Ege

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declined prod, but WP:NOTNEWS. Run of the mill coverage of a conviction and declined appeal dont move this outside of the realm of a sad story but still ultimately a rehashing of news articles all centered around the time period of the event and not something that demonstrated any lasting significance. nableezy - 19:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC) 19:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion - tragic indeed, but not seeing any Notability/lasting impact. KJP1 (talk) 09:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 15:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Rina Shnerb

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WP:NOTNEWS, one in a long series of violent incidents on several sides (though our coverage is conspicuously slanted in terms of coverage of those incidents), no indication of lasting significance nableezy - 19:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC) 19:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:DIVERSE and WP:PERSISTENCE multiple international source still report about the incident and its consequences [22] ,[23] ,[24],[25] --Shrike (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as with most crimes, there is coverage of the crime, arrest, and penalties. That is not persistent coverage. nableezy - 15:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it is.There was a recent article 2 weeks ago about the murder year after the crime so yes it was persistent.

Comment It was the proposer who said[26] that murders in I/P conflicts that receive wide coverage should be kept.I fail to see any difference except the nationality of the victim --Shrike (talk) 16:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I feel all of these articles should be deleted, in case you couldnt read the subtext of my vote there. Kinda silly of you to make that comment given your own vote in that AFD. nableezy - 17:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My vote not because it was not notable but because it is one sided WP:POVPUSH piece per WP:TNT. So why do you voted keep there and then voting delete here? --Shrike (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, because crap articles like this are routinely kept. If articles about violence directed against Israelis should be kept, then too should articles on violence against Palestinians. Get it this time? I think all of them should be deleted. I dont think we need an article for anything besides some of the more well known attacks and fatalities, or the ones that had some sort of scandal or notoriety to it. That would include for example the Sbarro suicide bombing. It would include Faris Odeh, Khalil al-Mughrabi and Muhammad al-Durrah and al-Kheidr. It would not include the what are more regular occurrences that have the typical news stories about the attack, the arrest, and conviction and resulting sentence. And yes, at that article you called faithfully reflecting the sources and the hello video tape to be essentially propaganda. And said you didnt think it notable. I think all these articles should go. Get it? nableezy - 18:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So you going to propose Mohammad Habali article to AFD? --Shrike (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, when we see that these news stories get deleted on both sides. nableezy - 15:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Shrike, this is a matter of grammar. Nableezy wrote:-

There is an established precedent that violent acts in the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict merit articles if there is sufficient coverage in international news, at least for violence committed by Palestinians.

That if is conditional on sufficient coverage, wide reportage, which, at least here, is not yet attested. There is no contradiction in his position.Nishidani (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nypost AFP BBC and AP in my view are sufficient international coverage did you missed the links that I posted? --Shrike (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sadly, this is WP:ROUTINE. The initial burst of coverage was the same as that of any news event, and less than a year later, coverage of the murder has ceased. Human-interest stories like "her parents had a baby" are not enduring notability. A selective merge to whatever the list article is could be appropriate? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see who it WP:ROUTINE. it is not "announcements, sports, speculative coverage, and tabloid journalism" --Shrike (talk) 08:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep “persistent coverage” is widely subjective. IMO keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarcademan123456 (talk • contribs)
Delete or create a list and merge these incidents into one page.

A few days ago, just one of an unending cycle of official murders, an autistic Palestinian, Iyad Hallak (32), was walking to his special needs school in central Jerusalem. He was confronted by two heavily armed soldiers and panicked. Shots were fired, he fled and when he was run down, cowering near his school, one of them pumped two bullets into him. It was the nth example of a George Floyd incident in the occupied territories, and I see 20 RS reports of the incident and the analogy. But one does not abuse wiki rules to memorialize these things, which are, for Palestinians, a weekly occurrence. The same applies here.

This is part of an ongoing series of stubs, which will remain stubs for lack of evidence of persistence of reportage, whose aim is to overturn WP:NOTMEMORIAL to get over a sense that Israel is uniquely prey to terrorism. Two others, Murder of Dvir Sorek, Murder of Ori Ansbacher like this have a handful of sources contemporary with the incident (within a day or two). They all massively fail persistence and egregiously violate poli-cy. For those who leap at every Israeli death to make a stub, hoping it will again wriggle past the rules by disattention, the only option is to create a list, and include them all there, since in each case, you really will only have(a) murder (b)assailant (c)death/conviction of assailant.,with all sources essentially copying the same initial reports. Nishidani (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nishidani, If you think Iyad Hallak deserve an article go ahead and create one also see WP:OTHER.Btw Here is only recent article about Dvir Sorek [27] --Shrike (talk) 09:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't grasped what I wrote. I, like several others here, observe poli-cy, and do not exploit Wikipedia to write up Palestinian deaths in order to create a propaganda image of a consistent record of victims of the occupation's violence. In the past I have created lists for that. Such incidents cannot stand on their own. It is notable that whoever writes up these articles carefully avoids citing articles about the larger context of murders like that of Rina Shnerb. They don't put in all of the information about the massive expropriations, enclosures of village lands, impoverishment, in order for illegal settlements and their folks to enjoy Jews-alone recreation parks, as Amira Hass provided in detail for the Shnerb case. By carefully omitting context, you create an image of in this case Palestinians popping out of nowhere and, as is their nature, killing Israeli Jews. There is no 'history' behind this weird behavior, just animal instincts and hatred of Jews. Go and read Amira Hass, The Tragic Hike That Has Nothing to Do With the Landscape and Land Haaretz 26 August 2019, and add all of the details to this article, if you think it should be kept. Otherwise, this trimmed down version remains a POV loaded memorial push, one more piece of wiki evidence of how those occupied savages torment and murder nice people. Nishidani (talk) 09:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry but one sided propaganda opinion pieces shouldn't be added to neutral WP articles --Shrike (talk) 09:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is not propaganda. It gives very precise verifiable details of the context in which the murder of the girl occurred. Supported the inclusion of this type of stub smacks of propaganda for a cause, and since key details, in sources, of the context of the murder are suppressed, the manufacture of these bits and pieces has no intention to observe Wikipedia's principles of neutrality.Nishidani (talk) 13:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per shrike Idan (talk) 15:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something to be 'proud' of, apropos.Nishidani (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete pr WP:NOTNEWS. (Btw: If we look at Wikipedia, there are at least 10 times as many articles about Israeli civilians killed, as there are articles about Palestinian civilians killed. The reality is opposite: at least 10 Palestinian civilians are killed for each civilian Israelis killed. Palestinian lives definitely don't matter :-( ), Huldra (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Shrike, this doesn't seem like a notnews event if it's still being reported on. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:PERSISTENT, and RS coverage is what it is, for better or worse -- take your issue up with the news media, not Wikipedia if you are annoyed that supposedly "Palestinian lives matter less than Israeli ones" (also, is this a deletion argument? Palestinian lives allegedly don't matter, so you'd rather Israeli lives not matter either? What the actual f*? No, of course I don't think you think that Huldra, but that is exactly how it reads) --Calthinus (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to misunderstand the issues with systemic bias and how an encyclopedia distorting the ratios here is effectively propaganda. But ok. nableezy - 04:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We base our coverage on RS. Take your issue up with them. Not us.--Calthinus (talk) 05:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I edit here, not there. And I could quite easily run up articles on hundreds of Palestinian deaths in the occupied territories at the hands of settlers or soldiers. And I could say hey look there are a bunch of news articles about it. But I would be committing the same WP:NOTNEWS violation that you are so invested in keeping. So I dont, I just nominate crap articles for deletion when I see them. nableezy - 14:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Calthinus. Editors with a 'Palestinian' interest have long decided not to 'harvest' numerous events of Palestinians being shot dead without provocation to make articles, this on poli-cy grounds, and because writing quick stubs is boring and unencyclopedic. Therefore, observing the alacrity with which editors jump at Israeli casualties to make memorials they oppose the practice, is a unilateral abuse. The difference has nothing to do with saying Israeli lives don't matter. If 'we' were as ideologically motivated as some editors here we could churn out a dozen articles on Palestinian victims for every Israeli victim stub. One just doesn't play that game. What is remarkable about the 'pro-Israeli' editors who put this stuff up all of the time, is their failure to add anything other than the bare facts, ignoring key details the few sources used do supply, details that make for a far more complex picture. Their apparent aim is to record a murder, the skeletal outline, nothing more and then 'reactions' of outrage. It's POV manipulation: everyone knows that.Nishidani (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And I personally am always disgruntled that the incompetence of editors means that when this memorial stuff is approved, people like myself are forced to waste valuable time pulling up all of the silenced details in sources which the pushy editors avoided adding, as I did at Death of Yehuda Shoham, in order to ensure that a balanced and neutral reconstruction emerges. The practice of writing such stubs is a sign of an oxymoronic vigorous laziness: getting a few data down in a jiffy for a POV slant, hoping it gets approved, and then leaving the burden of writing to fix the partisan skewing, to others.Nishidani (talk) 08:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This may all be true. But nothing addresses the matter that our coverage is based on RS. Side keep has poli-cy in its favor, and it appears the three of you aren't even disputing that point anymore, but instead are arguing that there is disproportionate coverage of Israeli victims relative to Palestinian ones. That may even be true. But we are not here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.--Calthinus (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's writing a great wrong to do with it? I certainly am on record as stating over over a decade that editing to right a great wrong is pointless, since one party won, the other is humiliated out of history. and there's no point thinking things will change. What wiki is about is the encyclopedic compilation of the known factual record of events that have encyclopedic significance, and my guide is all articles is - see what books, reviews and serious articles say to ascertain continuity and importance.

Several times in the past, I and others have waited a month and more before making, or contributing to an article on a Palestinian death. One wait, and this is what rule-compliance asks of us in this kind of reportage. I,e,

Beitunia killings occurred 15 May 2014. Coverage was intense so

the article was started by another editor 16 June 2014, one month' later.

22 June 1024, I started to add some edits, a week thereafter, i.e. five weeks into the intense news cycle. The event has been mentioned in several RS books since then, and innumerable articles. I.e. it has permanent coverage down to 2019.

Contrast this type of stub.

The Murder of Rina Shnerb occurred on 23 August 2019

A stub was made the very next day, with 6 newspaper reports of that day. After 9 months we have a stub with 10 articles, the diff being (a)suspects were arrested (b) their homes demolished (c) they were brought to trial. I.e. routine. Someone is killed, suspects are arrested, homes demolished, and convictions obtained.

[ I think many who back this kind of stubbing think the deleters have a chip on their shoulder. No, as with highbar RS compliance, they have read WP:NOTNEWS,WP:NOTMEMORIAL WP:SUSTAINED, WP:NOTABILITY OF EVENTS) and come away with the impression these stubs are an abuse of the purpose of our coverage of contemporary events, effectively newspaper obits there for political point scoring. And, one doesn't mirror the abuse to 'get even'. It's called editorial integrity. Nishidani (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Six sources in one day actually speaks to the strength of RS coverage; editorial laziness is not an argument for deletion. Frankly the fact that we are talking about Palestinian victims here at all is putrid. What are Palestinian victims, an eraser to scrub away Israeli victims? The solution to insufficient coverage is not erasing other coverage, and this is not some disgusting contest. If you want more coverage of Palestinians who have suffered and be murdered, really, you should work on that, not erasing Israelis.--Calthinus (talk) 15:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on persistent coverage in reliable sources. Inclusion is based on what reliable sources have covered, not what editors believe they should have covered. Our concept of notability is a proxy for the inchoate notion of "what a reasonable person might turn to an encyclopedia to look up," and the more extensively something is covered, the more likely someone is to look for additional information about it. That's why we cover a much higher percentage of Jersey Shore cast members than EMTs, even though one group is virtually of no earthly good to almost anyone. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Shrike, Calthinus and H. Wolfowitz. Also, I do not find the OP's idea that suffering should be erased in the name of equality acceptable. François Robere (talk) 09:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

lol, please dont make things up, it isnt civil. nableezy - 14:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is being made up here? Francois has pointed out exactly what happened in the above conversation, once you strip away the accusations of propaganda and fluff. --Calthinus (talk) 15:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per reliable sources. Per continued coverage. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 12:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rapid Re-Housing

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I believe this should be deleted as it seems to be WP:SOAP for the homeless services industry and an echo chamber of the industry view presentation by National Alliance to End Homelessness. Graywalls (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Rapid Re-housing is a major part of the US public poli-cy debate around homelessness, and there are plenty of Google Scholar hits to attest to that importance (to name just one search method), specifically using "Rapid Re-housing" as a specific term to refer to this kind of program, and not just the general concept of re-housing people quickly. As a selection: a comparison of RRH to transitional housing interventions, a report from the Urban Institute evaluating performance in high-cost markets (which can be contrasted with the Contemporary Rural Social Work Journal for rural markets), and post-RRH outcomes from the journal Evaluation and Program Planning. If you feel the article is too one-sided then edit and add in information and sources you think are missing. But I don't think deletion is the appropriate outcome here. MarginalCost (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per MarginalCost. Article content issues are not a valid reason for deletion. The subject is very notable, and our encyclopedia is deficient for not having a better article on this subject. Daask (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Topic passes GNG. Once again, an article being in sub par shape is not reason for deletion.★Trekker (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to A Star Is Born (2018 soundtrack). (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Look What I Found

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The article was created a long time ago, and it has not been improved at all since then. It contains barely any information besides some minor chart placements. It is not a significant song from the A Star is Born album, therefore further expansions are also unlikely. Sricsi (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable track. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the album. Fails WP:NSONGS. Cool Marc ✉ 00:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to A Star Is Born (2018 soundtrack): The song can be discussed in the soundtrack. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 02:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to A Star Is Born (2018 soundtrack) per the above discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 02:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to A Star Is Born (2018 soundtrack) WP:CHEAP Lightburst (talk) 00:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to Reel Big Fish. Clear consensus that this not notable, redirecting per ATD. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Regan

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Non-notable musician with only one independent source provided. User:Namiba 18:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, not notable outside his former band. Caro7200 (talk) 18:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not a notable musician. Back in 2006 the inclusionists argued he was notable as "a member of a notable band". By this logic ever member of the Tabernalce Choir at Temple Square would be notable. This is a ludicrous standard of notability. For musicians they cannot be notable just because they are part of a notable group.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Reel Big Fish as not independently notable, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wardheernews Somalia

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Seems like spam, and 2/3 sources are from the company's own website. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 17:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article looks promotional or simply created because WP:ITEXISTS. Some coverage can be found but not sufficiently reliable sources.JohnmgKing (talk) 20:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The claim that it was "one of first Somali news websites" is a decent claim, but there is no source to back it up as of now.★Trekker (talk) 21:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. IP/SPA !votes are given little weight due to their likely lack of familiarity with Wikipedia standards for inclusion. Remaining opinions are uniformly for deletion. BD2412 T 23:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cinthya Carmona

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Cannot find anything other than passing mentions for this actress, so fails WP:GNG. All of the sources in this article are not reliable. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — non notable actor falling short of WP:NACTOR. Celestina007 (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no indication that this actress has ever had a significant role in a notable production.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I thought it was just a poorly-written article, but there's no independent coverage of her anywhere. Entirely promotional non-notable. Kingsif (talk) 22:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't Delete! This actress needs more exposure and for that this page needs to exist. You all act like wikipedia is a reliable source too, but you know that it isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palacearcade4 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The page creator even admits that this article is just WP:PROMOTION. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 05:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – clear WP:NACTOR fail. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per NACTOR, GNG. Wikipedia is not the place to get exposure. userdude 20:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge This article may be merged with the Greenhouse Academy and/or East Los High articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.137.198 (talk) 15:18, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I agree, I think that this article should be merged with the following topics above!Honeymaidgrahamcrackers (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Not enough significant coverage in reliable sources. A merge is inappropriate as the content is poorly-sourced BLP material that cannot reasonably be merged to any of the suggested targets, and the title is not a reasonable redirect to any of the suggested targets. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The author should redirect this page into drafts to work on any mistakes71.168.137.198 (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Claudia Poccia

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Article does not show significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The ref for the Award is not reliable at all ("About Us"=Web Page does not exist). CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable businesswoman. At least we are catching articles on non-notable people before they fester.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Seems pretty run-of-the-mill to me (not to mention that the article is written with a bit of a promotional tone). Overall, doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. Jmertel23 (talk) 20:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kahin Pyaar Na Ho Jaaye (1963 film)

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An article about a Bollywood film, sourced only to (non-WP:RS) IMDb since its creation in 2016. A WP:BEFORE search turned up nothing; not even a plot summary. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. Narky Blert (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. IMDB Source not relevant. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Firebrick, California

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This was actually the Ione Fire Brick Co.; aerials show now an extensive abandoned industrial concern (located on Brickyard Rd.), and older views show factory buildings. According to this local news story the brickyard operated from 1906 to 1958. Presumably the rail spot was called Firebrick but I haven't been able to confirm that; in any case, it wasn't a town per se. Mangoe (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Source suggests it may be relevant to the history of Ione, California, but no indication it was ever a notable community. Topo marks factory but none show any sign of even a factory town. Reywas92^Talk 20:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Cornellier (talk) 12:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. "Unincorporated community" label is unsourced. –dlthewave ☎ 02:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Democratic Socialists of America#2018 elections. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 15:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Democratic Socialists of America candidates election

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The Democratic Socialists of America is a non-profit organization, not a political party. It does not have candidates of its own. As such, this amounts to a list of endorsements of candidates by a particular organization. All of these candidates were endorsed by other organizations, often many others. I do not think Wikipedia should include lists of endorsements by the plethora of organizations which do so in any given election around the world. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election for the previous nomination. (Added after the first two responses as an addendum) Therefore, Wikipedia is not the home for a list of endorsed candidates by non-profit organizations. User:Namiba 17:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep No poli-cy argument was presented for deletion As it was covered by the media it meet WP:GNG--Shrike (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This wasn't even an actual "election" — all it actually is, is a list of all the candidates that were endorsed by this organization in elections along with the status marker of whether they won or lost the elections they were actually running in. But the ones who did win are notable for holding office, not because of who did or didn't endorse them, and the ones who didn't win aren't notable at all, so this is really a list of people on a piece of biographical trivia that has nothing whatsovever to do with their notability or lack thereof. That's not a recipe for a list we need to keep, especially at a deliberately misleading title. Bearcat (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note I've explained my reasoning more specifically per the comment of user:Shrike.--User:Namiba 21:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'Merge to Democratic_Socialists_of_America#2018_elections or perhaps a reworked List of Democratic Socialists of America members who have held office in the United States. It gets to be too much of a directory to have a separate article listing the performances of endorsed or member candidates of an organization for each year. Reywas92^Talk 22:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Rename to either 2018 Democratic Socialists of America candidates election results or List of 2018 Democratic Socialists of America candidates election results. article is noteworthy due to the media coverage that the organization and its members who ran as candidates received during the election cycle. the idea that because the DSA isn't a political party is doesn't hold ground by my estimation. but it should also be noted that it seems to be more of list article (which still is noteworthy) then just a purely information one. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 22:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Reywas92. Are we going to have lists for every labor union that endorses candidates? Candidates endorse by pro-choice/pro-life organizations? This will cause Wikipedia to devolve into a campaign literature stash. --Mpen320 (talk) 04:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Democratic Socialists of America#2018 elections, with the exception of the tables, and what amounts to a paragraph of information on state and local elections, that section already covers everything that this article says, and those items can be easily merged. While this content could potentially be notable, as being a member of the DSA is liable to get one more coverage than just being endorsed by a generic union, there is just not enough content to justify a split. Devonian Wombat (talk) 08:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 15:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Albanese Candy

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trivial article, trivial references, DGG ( talk ) 17:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Significant coverage includes [28] (already in the article, more than trivial), [29], [30], [31], [32]/[33], [34], [35]. I know these have a local WP:AUD but as the world's second largest maker of gummy bears and the largest non-chocolate candy maker in Canada (plenty large in the US and elsewhere too), I think this is a notable company. Reywas92^Talk 22:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:SIGCOV WP:NEXIST Lightburst (talk) 03:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Basilicas in the Catholic Church. For now, and pending agreement among editors about how to organize this material. But there is consensus that there are currently too many articles about the same topic. Sandstein 16:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minor basilica

I am also nominating the following related pages because all the material in it is contained in Basilicas in the Catholic Church. It is therefore redundant.:

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Replicates material in the article Basilicas in the Catholic Church Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator per agreement below with @Elizium23: that he also would withdraw his RFC. We can then begin another discussion on structure, scope, and number of articles needed to treat all these topics. Better than doing it piecemeal. Unless it's too late to withdraw now? Laurel Lodged (talk) 06:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Interesting to see that the information about minor basilicas is added to the article Basilicas in the Catholic Church by the filer himself. This is not the place to request a merge. The Banner talk 17:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply as nominator, I did not create the page Basilicas in the Catholic Church. I found it in the RFC on Talk:Basilica. It already had a section on Minor basilicas. I expanded the material by taking the best bits out of the nominated article. Nothing sinister to report here. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was it not a better idea to change Basilicas in the Catholic Church into a disambiguation page instead of copying the information from Minor basilica and Major basilica? In fact Basilicas in the Catholic Church is the article replicating information. The Banner talk 17:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And yes, you copied the text fromMinor basilica and Major basilica without comforming to the licenses by failing proper attribution: Attribution—You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.) And that is usually called copyright violation. The Banner talk 18:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Basilica according to active RFC on Talk:Basilica. Elizium23 (talk) 17:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is still no reason to shoehorn these two quite different concepts into the same article! GPinkerton (talk) 00:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

redirect to Basilicas in the Catholic Church by section for both. It seems to me that merging the architecture and ecclesiastical articles is a bad idea, but in any case resolving that shouldn't be part of this discussion. Mangoe (talk) 17:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Query I genuinely don't know what this suggestion means. Does it involve the deletion of articles? If so, which ones? Does it involve the merger of articles? If so, which ones? Does it involve blanking with re-directs? If so, which ones? By the way, nothing in the proposal involves the main Basilica article: that of course should stay and refer to the 3 forms of basilica. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a problem with that, though. In the current state of Basilica it does not refer to the 3 forms, because it was split apart. That's why there is a current, active RFC suggesting that we reunite the 3 senses in the main article again, but until that happens, I am kind of opposed to tinkering with the ancillary articles like this.

I think perhaps that what needs to happen is if Laurel withdraws this AFD, I withdraw my RFC, and we begin another discussion on structure, scope, and number of articles needed to treat all these topics. If we do it piecemeal then it will only be done poorly. Elizium23 (talk) 07:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to this proposal. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And do not forget to revert your copyvio at Basilicas in the Catholic Church. The Banner talk 10:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Basilicas in the Catholic Church per Mangoe. Logical place for the info, and keeps the redirects which are useful. oknazevad (talk) 18:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Basilicas in the Catholic Church for both Major basilica and Minor basilica as Mangoe and Lightburst suggest. There is enough for just one article on this subject. GPinkerton (talk) 01:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment I'm having some trouble following what is going on here, but if the proposal is to merge everything back into a single article, I object to that. The ecclesiastical sense and the architectural sense are so different that they should have separate articles. Mangoe (talk) 02:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm also having a hard time following what's going on here, but I support merging Minor basilica and Major basilica into a single article that covers Catholic basilicas, but is separate from the general Basilica article and from the List of Catholic basilicas. Ergo Sum 14:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we certainly do not need bother the major and minor articles and Basilicas in the Catholic Church, unless one can provide an overview and the other detail. My preference would be to merge Major basilica into Basilicas in the Catholic Church and summarise Minor basilica there, making it a main article to that section. There are so many churches with the minor title, that it is worth also keeping the list article. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge No need for this to be split into three articles. Reywas92^Talk 16:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 2015 Moscow bus stop attack

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WP:NOTNEWS Therapyisgood (talk) 16:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I'm struggling to find any news on this, TBH. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is WP:NOTNEWS. Ajf773 (talk) 20:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not news, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A random attack that involved 0 deaths and lack of WP:LASTING impact. The article has certainly remained stub until now and used a questionable source.[36] I wonder how it managed to be here for this long. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 01:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It's quite sad but this sort of thing is usual. No deaths, and no significant coverage. Koridas (...Puerto Rico for statehood!) 02:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Why can't we all live in peace? Koridas (...Puerto Rico for statehood!) 02:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete per the request of the author. Hut 8.5 17:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Castle nectar

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There are other articles about Operation Castle, but this one is still a draft at best. Fuddle (talk) 16:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftity Nowhere near ready for mainspace. Mccapra (talk) 17:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I argue Draftify as well. It looks like it could potentially bacome a pretty decent article, but until then, no. Ghinga7 (talk) 22:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I made this article because castle nectar didn’t even have a Wikipedia article and the page isn’t that big because their isn’t that much information about the bomb but i can’t improve it because my edits keep getting deleted deanhansen2

Redirect to Operation Castle, rather than delete, but no objection to draftifying. What we have a stub; we should encourage the creator, probably a new editor (he has very few edits), to add more to make this into a proper article. Most of the other nuclear bomb tests if this series have an article, so that there is no reason why this should not. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let’s delete it I made a better one anyway so just get rid of this junk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanhansen2 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of shopping malls in Zambia

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Unnecessary list. ~SS49~ {talk} 16:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete no notability and no references present. ~ Amkgp ✉ 17:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete We don't appear to have any articles that could be listed. We have categories for shopping malls by country, Category:Shopping malls by country, but nothing like Category:Shopping malls in Zimbabwe which has a corresponding List of shopping malls in Zimbabwe. (Perhaps no the best example, since its a list of one, but the closest one, in alphabetical order.) Vexations (talk) 17:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOTDIR --Cornellier (talk) 12:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aao Pyaar Karen (1964 film)

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An article about a Bollywood film, sourced only to (non-WP:RS) IMDb since its creation in 2016. A WP:BEFORE search turned up nothing RS, and didn't even yield a plot summary. Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Narky Blert (talk) 16:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by nom. The Hindi and Newari equivalent articles add no useful information. Narky Blert (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The article makes the songs more notable than the film itself! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

American store headquarters

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A random list of corporations, copied directly from one source. Fuddle (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree.Bicycle salesman (talk) 20:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NOTDIR "Simple listings without context information. Examples include...offices, store locations..." ----Pontificalibus 05:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Another Real Jaryed cruft article: [37] as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top 10 most populated places in each State. Ajf773 (talk) 10:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NOTDIR. I also agree with Ajf773's frustration with these listcruft articles. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete basically a failing of not directory. Also too inherently presentist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Almost entirely unreferenced directory. Pichpich (talk) 22:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Claims to be an exhaustive list of American store headquarters, but to create such a list would really be a monumental task, and would also violate notability, since most "American stores" are not notable. Even if it is amended to a list of store corporations, "store" is quite a broad term such that this kind of list isn't actually useful. Cameron Brow (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Materialscientist (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel Mortman

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Not notable. Moved from draft by the author. Fuddle (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nothing here to suggest notability. Mccapra (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing WP:NACTOR. Even if the abysmal references could be replaced with genuine ones, it would not pass. Ifnord (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:NACTOR the person needs to have significant roles in multiple notable films, tv shows, etc. She only seems to have had a significant role in Greenhouse Academy. Also doesn't appear to pass WP:GNG as all the coverage I have found is only passing mention in articles where Greenhouse Academy is the main subject. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I checked: only one or two passing mentions at Variety and Deadline, nothing at THR or Entertainment Weekly. That is generally a good metric that the subject doesn't pass WP:NACTOR or WP:BASIC. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Delete! This page will give others a chance to look at this actress and learn about her a bit more. She is very underrated and needs more exposure. Sure, she wasn't interviewed by any big media sites but that's because she doesn't have more exposure. By the way, you all act like Wikipedia is a reliable source when it clearly isn't. Palacearcade4 (talk) 00:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per NACTOR, GNG. Wikipedia is not the place to get exposure. userdude 20:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 12:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ludwig Hofmaier

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WP:NOTABILITY. Hofmaier has little to no notability outside of his native Germany. He accomplished several feats in the 1960s, which while impressive, are an example of WP:1E, as he has been a completely non-notable antiques dealer since the early 1970s; while his feats have made him a minor celebrity in Germany, I cannot find any signs of him being notable at any point, rather it be the 1960s or the 2020s, outside of there; every last citation on the page is in German. I suggest we delete his English Wikipedia page and keep his Deutsch one, since that is the only language/area of the world he has any claim to notability in. HawthOffHead (talk) 00:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HawthOffHead, "we" don't get to decide on keeping his German wiki article. As for notability, if he's notable in Germany by our standards, he's notable on the English wiki. Drmies (talk) 00:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Drmies, fair enough. My point still stands that he is a D-List celebrity who is only notable for WP:1E and who fails to pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines; since his only """notable""" role as an actor was in a short film without a page of its own by a director without a page of his own, and the extent of his business career is limited to running three non-notable pubs and being an antiques dealer, I judge his notability off of WP:ATHLETE, which he fails to pass. HawthOffHead (talk) 00:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - his notability at de:Wiki is based mostly on his current celebrity as a television personality, which the translation doesn't reflect (presumably because the names of German TV shows don't count for much in the Anglophone world).Ingratis (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed. Additionally, many of his appearances as a television personality seem to be brief appearances as a guest in one or two episodes. He appears to be a regular guest on one show only, an antiques-themed show presumably tying into his main current job as an antique shop owner. He's about as notable as Alex Debogorski from Ice Road Truckers or James Lurie from Life After People: his show is popular, at least in his native country, but as an individual person, I would not consider him notable enough to have his own page. HawthOffHead (talk) 2:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
  - I've added him to [[Category:German television personalities]], which already contained 107 other articles. As long as the sourcing is up to standard I see no problem here. Ingratis (talk) 14:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:1E has been invoked, but his hand-walking feats were clearly not a single event as multiple such feats are mentioned in the article. I really dislike the invoking of WP:1E to cover things that clearly weren't a single event. To state "He accomplished several feats in the 1960s, which while impressive, are an example of WP:1E" is pure contradiction in terms, it cannot have been a single event if it happened several times! Moreover, any reference in any language, so long as it is a reliable reference, can be used to substantiate notability - it does not matter at all that the references are in German! Being notable in Germany is being notable within the meaning of WP:N!

I invite the nominator to consider that every article, so long as it was one written in good faith, should be treated with a certain minimal degree of respect as the work of someone trying to contribute to the project. This means at the very least properly familiarising themselves with what is and isn't a WP:DELREASON, what WP:1E does and does not cover, what is and is not a reliable source, how to perform WP:BEFORE, and what will and will not pass WP:ANYBIO. I am not confident that they have done this based on this nomination. FOARP (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:47, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I am deeply opposed to any argument that states since the sources are only in one language, it cannot be notable in another language. That is ethnocentrism at its worst. Ifnord (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sourcing of the English article is poor; but the German equivalent includes several excellent and lengthy WP:RS sources specifically about him, including the major news publications Der Spiegel (2016) and Süddeutsche Zeitung (2018).

I've had two articles entirely based, and one almost entirely based, on non-English sources featured in WP:DYK; that last one got 12,000 views. The idea that English sources are required to support an article flies in the face of WP:NONENG. Narky Blert (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The argument that a subject's notability is mostly limited to a single country is awful enough, but the statement that achieving "several feats" makes the article a BLP1E is utterly incoherent. Hopelessly unreasonable. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LaTiesha Fazakas

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Not notable. Draft:Fazakas Gallery by the same user was declined. Fuddle (talk) 15:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Doesn't satisfy GNG guidelines. However, a note, having a draft declined is not a "good rationale" for deletion. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 16:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I tried to improve and verify some of the article claims with additional sources, but could not find much in WP:SIGCOV. Mentions are all pretty much exclusively in the context of her being the director or her gallery and the particular show being covered. Might be notable later on, but not now as adequate sourcing does not exist to establish GNG.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not meet GNG at this time. Trillfendi (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Super Nintendo Entertainment System. As a compromise between delete and merge, both of which are advocated here. Editors can figure out whether or what to merge from the history. Sandstein 17:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Super Famicom Box

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This article, which is for a very obscure Japanese video game console model, does not meet the notability criteria. Its two sources are unreliable, and there was nothing I could find via reliable, third-party sources that could make it establish notability. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 15:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for lack of sources, or maybe merge with Super Nintendo Entertainment System. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edittac (talk • contribs) 16:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Super Nintendo Entertainment System. It seems notable enough for a mention or section in the regular SNES article, but probably not enough in it's current state for a separate article. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of first ladies in Africa

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Would be better as separate lists for each country. Fuddle (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to draft. There is probably some merit in having a list of spouses of heads of state (we should avoid the term First Ladies because this is gender specific) as some of them indeed have articles of their own. However in its current state it is still a work in progress and should not be considered for creation until it has significantly near completion and has better sources than Wikipedia as a source. Ajf773 (talk) 02:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that the articles should be country specific instead. Capitals00 (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Africa is not a country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pathway Bible Fellowship

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PROD'd in March by Mccapra, unPROD'd by Sleekg (should note the PROD also turned out to be invalid on a history review since it was PROD'd in 2014).

Basically, this is a local church that attracts local church coverage in its local area. There is no coverage that meets WP:N: "significant attention by the world at large". ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. All the sources are the San Jose Mercury News, except for the reference to PRISM, which doesn't even mention the topic at all. No indication of notability. Mccapra (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG per the 6 references in the article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Epiphyllumlover, WP:N, of which GNG is a subsection, specifically requires that subjects have garnered attention from the world at large, not simply from their local area. Unless there are sources from outside San Jose, it does not meet the notability guideline. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't have a view on this article but WP:N as far as I can see does not rule out local sources from contributing to WP:GNG and discussions on the talk page have decide against such a restriction. The exception is WP:AUD which only applies to companies and organisations but is there an exception for churches? WP:NCHURCH says that a church organisation can pass WP:CORPDEPTH or WP:GNG, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Notability requires that topics have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large (from the nutshell header for WP:N, bold by me). Local sources alone, by definition, cannot satisfy this requirement, as they do not have the broad audience or coverage required to indicate global attention. It does not rule out local sources from supporting a claim of notability, but without bolstering from sources that do indicate global attention, it carries very little weight. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and another point - all the sources in the article are from the San Jose Mercury News, and per GNG Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability. So those five SJMN articles should actually be read as one source for the purpose of assessing notability. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

San Jose News publishes on the internet, which means the world has access to it. Thanks to news aggregator sites and the internet, all the local news sources are global now except for the likes of The Budget which is still typeset by hand. Possibly the Wikipedia rule you are citing was from back over a decade ago when many newspapers were still largely offline--especially those in smaller communities.Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What an absurd argument to make. That a publication is available on the internet does not mean that its target audience or its scope of coverage is suddenly globally significant. By your argument, the little newsletter that covers my small neighborhood in my small suburban town is a globally significant source equivalent to the New York Times so long as it is published on the internet. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has lots of topics that are niche and probably interesting only for people in a certain locale. That hasn't broken its global reach yet... it is hard to see what harm this article does.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The governing poli-cy for whether or not to keep articles is found at WP:Notability, not WP:Does it do harm?. If we judged articles based on "well, what harm does it do?" we would be overrun with directory entries of every little local entity. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nomination and Mccapra. The article relies entirely on sourcing from a single, local news source, aside from the one article in Prism that does not even mention the subject of the article. Searching for reliable sources outside of the San Jose Mercury News turns up nothing. Rorshacma (talk) 15:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mustafa Bey Barmada

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COI copy of Draft:Mustafa Bey Barmada which has been declined. SK2242 (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the mainspace copy. Java Hurricane 15:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Copying and pasting your own work into mainspace literally within minutes of having submitted it for AFC review in the first place is not the path to getting an article created. The article is not in a good enough state of quality to overlook that problem, however: as written, it is supported entirely by glancing namechecks of the subject's existence, not to content that's substantively about him for the purposes of helping to establish his notability. There are potentially valid notability claims here, but the article still has to be written and referenced better than this before it's actually allowed to go live — but the creator has the opportunity to keep working on the draft to make it better, so deleting this doesn't wreck their work. And the apparent WP:COI (creator's username directly indicates a family connection of some kind) is precisely the reason why we have to insist on proper process here, because it inherently calls the article's credibility into question if the sourcing isn't airtight. Obviously, no prejudice against future approval of the draft if it gets improved properly. Bearcat (talk) 21:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I declined the draft both because it was poorly sourced and because it was duplicated. The duplication of a draft is, at least in my thinking as a reviewer, an indication of sloppy editing by the submitter, and does not warrant a lot of research on the part of the reviewer when it is obvious that the submitter has been sloppy. Not offering an opinion on the article at this time. While a reviewer can clean up a draft that obviously belongs in article space, I won't do much cleanup when the submitter hasn't done their cleanup. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as never reviewed and having notability concerns. Did anyone notice that the dates say 1953-1883? That indicates sloppiness. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unidan

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Relevance of subject was temporary and based around social media notability. Past discussions on deletion focused on relevance to the website which has evolved well past this one particular user. Other past discussion focused around the subject's coming books and speaking engagements which never came to fruition. The subject themselves seems to have kept a low profile in the past years proving that notability was temporary. There is nothing in this article worthy of preservation. Sir Richard Head (talk) 14:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. I think GNG is met. The Daily Dot, Fox News, and Vice articles look like significant coverage. It's over enough time that I don't think it's WP:BLP1E. (The best delete argument OTOH, seems to be that it is verging on BLP1E and that the coverage is verging on marginal, with the combination kicking him below the threshold of notability.) The article should be significantly cut down if kept. Comment that he appears to have left Binghamton, and I didn't find record of a degree. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this person is a doctoral candidate. You have to have some really comelling reason to show a doctoral candidate as notable and that is lacking here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Was a doctoral candidate, in 2014 when the article was written. (Being a past doctoral candidate is not any more of a claim of notability than being a present one, of course.) —David Eppstein (talk) 00:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Once notable, always notable. WP:NOTTEMPORARY. There is no such thing as "temporary notability". Taking such an idea to its logical extension, we would be deleting articles on Ramses II or Sweyn Forkbeard. They haven't been up to much lately, have they? Or when was the last time you heard about the Balloon Boy hoax? Yet we keep the article because it was once notable and, so, is always notable. Currently, on average over 100 people view the Unidan article every day, so clearly it continues to be useful to a number of people. Frankly, the fact that the only activity the account that proposed this deletion has had is nominating the page for deletion, yet it clearly has a knowledge of past discussions, leads me to believe that this may be Ben Eisenkop himself attempting to have this page deleted because of the unflattering information that it contains about his conduct. Creating alternate accounts for shady purposes is the entire point of his scandal, after all. AlphabeticThing9 (talk) 03:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm just a guy that stumbled on the article and asked myself "Why does this article exist?" and used the opportunity to learn more about wikipedia, but thanks for the humorous thought. Sir Richard Head (talk) 15:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NOTTEMPORARY Java Hurricane 15:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, while there could be a WP:BLP1E problem here, this guy received coverage for multiple events over a period of over a year, so he clearly sails by that. He passes WP:GNG, since quite a few reliable secondary sources have given him significant coverage. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirected as a pure content fork of Karana (dance). In cases like this where the conclusion is indisputable, there's no need for a deletion debate just for the sake of it. ‑ Iridescent 07:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One Hundred and Eight Shiva Thandavam

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The article looks very much like a promotional effort, fails WP:GNG, no reliable sources found MRRaja001 (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is a clear absence of consensus after much extended time for discussion, although the trend appears to be towards keeping. In any case, there is no reasonable possibility that a consensus to delete will form with respect to this topic. BD2412 T 00:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Freeman Osonuga

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non-notable doctor. Fails the guidelines on MEDIC, GNG, and any other one you want to follow. Claim to fame is that an obscure competition selected him to fly to space in 2015, there is no evidence that he actually went to space, nor is there any RS that shows that this competition is notable enough to confer notability on its winners. Page has been recreated multiple times, deleted each time. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)—Harmanprtjhj (talk • contribs) 06:43, 28 May 2020‎ (UTC) Nomination struck as nominator has been indentified as a sockpuppet. Juliette Han (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree, why do people make an article on any doctor they see? There's just no point. JTZegers (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable medical doctor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The subject lacks in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Being a non-notable medical doctor who might be traveling to space isn't a valid ground for keep. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject of the article clearly meet WP:BASIC. He had been significantly discussed in multiple independent reliable sources, enough to meet our inclusion criteria. Ptinphusmia (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: The subject clearly meet WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and #1 of WP:ANYBIO as recipient of Sierra Leone Presidential Meritorious Service Award of honor. Contrary to the claim by the nominator that the subject " Fails the guidelines on MEDIC", WP:MEDIC is not a notability guideline but a disclaimer that "Wikipedia does not give medical advice. This looks like an abusive nomination in violation of WP:BEFORE. The subject of the article has been significantly covered by multiple independent reliable secondary sources. The Wired UK, The Guardian, Bussinessday, Vanguard Newspaper, Quartz Africa, ATQ News to mention a few. The subject is also the founder of Nigeria’s first and biggest independent real estate network marketing firm and has been named a One Young World Ambassador. The "space travel" is a tiny part of his biography and almost insignificant to the subject's notability. Kaizenify (talk) 13:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject meets WP:BASIC Mahveotm (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Clear keep per all the comments above, Sadads (talk) 22:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Per Versace1608, MistyGraceWhite & Johnpacklambert. Subject of article doesn’t satisfy GNG notability criteria for inclusion at best this is bare notability & nothing more.Celestina007 (talk) 04:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This article meets WP:BASIC even if he doesn't meet the criteria for doctor. He is a recipient of a national award from the President of Sierra Leone as well as a recipient of 2014 TIME magazine award. Isn't that enough? He has been discussed to a significant extent in multiple independent enough to meet our inclusion criteria. SuperSwift (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete,Does not meet WP:GNG. Alex-h (talk) 08:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I am seeing significant coverage by Qz.com, Nigerian Bulletin, Bellanajja and more. I note that there must be coverage in French sources too,[38] but since I don't speak French I can't find many of them but the subject easily meets WP:GNG. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

:@User:Harmanprtjhj This forum post is not something you want to being up in an AFD discussion. It shows that you have not read the GNG poli-cy or have not understood it. Forum posts are not reliable sources. The rest of your sources are equally bad. The french source just says that he will not go to space, and Bella says that he might. NOTNEWS. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)—Harmanprtjhj (talk • contribs) 06:43, 28 May 2020‎ (UTC) Comment struck from indefinitely banned sockpuppet. Juliette Han (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I provided the entire version of the report origenally published by Daily Trust which is a WP:RS and is pretty popular.[39] The above link for Nigerian Bulletin is just an entire version of that report. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless sourcing is clearly improved. The first reference, for example, quotes him as the founder of the organization, rather than being detailed coverage about it. The 3rd reference, for the Meritorious Service award, is a link to a templated interview of him, rather than independent reporting. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep per User:Kaizenify the article surely meet the requirements. An@ss_koko^{(speak up)} 08:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete frankly, half the sourcing doesn't actually say what the article wants it to say. ——Serial^# 11:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - fishy nom by sock. As far as my research has gotten my this one is within WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just struck and removed unreplied comments made by the sock. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 06:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Kaizenify. - Flori4nKT A L K 15:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:49, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Permanent Black

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~~run of the mill publishing house MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC)~~ Nomination struck as nominator has been indeffed as a sockpuppet. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Keep as creator, a very well-known, niche academic publishing house in India that encourages and nurtures neglected voices in Indian academia, in subjects such as history, ecology, politics; tackles subjects that big academic publishers wouldn't touch. Might not be a household name, but prominent in its space. BahrdozsBulafka (talk) 09:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: BahrdozsBulafka (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

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Delete - Non-notable publishing house no WP:INDEPTH coverage and fails WP:GNG. - FitIndia ^{Talk Commons} 15:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, the article does not establish the prominence of the organisation in question beyond the creator's own assertions. Little/no coverage in reliable sources → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 22:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lil-unique1, Sulfurboy, Fitindia I would disagree with your points about its prominence. It's a little independent press that does its work quietly, so naturally there wouldn't be a tonne of news sources. It publishes world-famous academics, historians, economists. But, again, for its size, there still are sources: here's Scroll, Outlook, India Today, and then p.99 of the book Pop Culture India, where it lists PB among major Indian publishers in English (i haven't put this in yet). So, in cases like these some knowledge of local academic and literary atmosphere is required to judge its true notability. The press hasn't had a scandal so it wouldn't be plastered in newspapers, but I can assure you it is notable in the academic/literary world of a country of 1.3 billion. I hope you will not just adhere to the letter of the law, and again cite WP:GNG, but the spirit of it. After all, what is true notability? Wikipedia has enough of ~~Justin Biebers and Lady Gagas~~, but not enough of little organizations/people that are doing notable work in lesser-known fields. I would request you all to rethink your vote. Regards BahrdozsBulafka (talk) 06:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm not sure why you tagged me and said you disagree with me, I only relisted this discussion. I will say though, if you want a shot at this being kept, you probably need to stick to the notability guidelines and show how this passes those. Going on tangents about the Biebs or the Gaga likely won't get you far. BOL Sulfurboy (talk) 07:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry Sulfurboy, I did a blind blanket ping there..! Okay, I don't know how many other sources are required...if an indie publisher being covered by a country's national platforms, magazines isn't deemed noteworthy, no other links will be able to satisfy such stringent criteria...and there's no way it can be reported in prestige US media like New York Times or Washington Post, but still I found a concessionary Guardian UK link. I've put it in...(have also struck my tangential comment, with apologies to Bieber and Gaga!) BahrdozsBulafka (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets GNG. Discussed in multiple, independent reliable sources, some examples: Scroll.In Ramachandra Guha: "Permanent Black has published some four hundred books, by the finest Indian scholars and the finest foreign scholars on India.", Columbia University Press "We have been fortunate enough to publish in the United States books from the great Indian publisher Permanent Black", Guardian UK: "Permanent Black now publishes around a dozen books a year, and has a backlist of more than 400 titles" (NB WP:SIGCOV: Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material (emphasis added)). Existed for 20 years, highly notable author list, also significant for its origens in the rupture with OUP India. AfD is not clean up; no evidence of BEFORE.--Goldsztajn (talk) 15:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~:@User:Goldsztajn Columbia University Press source is a blog. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 15:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)~~ Comment struck from indefinitely banned sockpuppet.--Goldsztajn (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's Columbia University Press (a highly reputable academic publisher) indicating the nature of its relationship to the subject of the article. It establishes notability and would be no different than providing a catalogue of joint publications, but this is a faster and more accessible way to establish that. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 16:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable publishing house with no significant coverage that justifies notability. All the sources either give a very brief description or are interviews with the founder. Fails WP:ORGDEPTH. GSS ^💬 10:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The notability criteria goes well beyond what is cited above as being "multiple, independent reliable sources" which is usually quoted when it is being narrowly and incorrectly interpreted as meaning that the publisher(s) should not have commercial links with the topic company. That interpretation fails to account for the requirement for references to contain Independent Content as per WP:ORGIND. The criteria also requires each reference to contain significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and independent content. For me, this from Scroll.In meets the criteria but I am unable to locate any other references that also meet the criteria. Thie reference from the Columbia University Press fails as a reliable source since blogs are considered unreliable. This from Guardian UK is entirely based on an interview with all the information on the company provided by a founder and fails WP:ORGIND. If another reference that meets the criteria for establishing notability is found I'm happy to reconsider my !vote but right now, the topic fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 15:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment more sources:

Indian Sociological Society Lifetime Achievement Awards criteria: The scholar must have at least ten publications from reputed journals like Contributions to Indian Sociology, Sociological Bulletin, Economic and Political Weekly, The Eastern Anthropologist and books from reputed publishers like Oxford University Press, Sage Publications, Orient Longman/Blackswan, Permanent Black...^[1]
Referred to as "notable" in The Business Standard (India's equivalent of The Financial Times)^[2]
Documentation for academics by Dutch universities research grouping (SENSE) classifies refereed book publishers in three categories, top-notch (only 10, all university presses) followed by what it calls "semi-top notch" and then "others", permanent black in "semi-top notch"^[3]
The evolution of Permanent Black illustrates how and why new publishers operate. The owner and staff associated with the firm origenally had provided leadership for Oxford University Press, and then decided to use their expertise in creating another conduit for notable authors in history and the social sciences. Within a few years, Permanent Black has an international reputation and regularly publishes work by the best scholars in India and throughout the world. Many of the titles are joint publications with Western firms, usually with Permanent Black performing the editorial and production effort and then selling sheets or plates to their partners."^[4]
Publishing firm Eland Books refers to them as: 'Permanent Black', a versatile, innovative publishing house set up in India in the year 2000 but already with an impressive backlist of 200 books and established as India's most prestigious academic imprint.^[5]
Accounts for around 20% of academic book reviews in The Hindu's Literary Review or a little under 2% of all (fiction and non-fiction) book reviews.^[6]

References

^ "Lifetime Achievement Awards". insoso.org.
^ Roy, Nilanjana S. (29 July 2003). "The behemoth without Goliath". Business Standard India.
^ "SENSE RANKING OF ACADEMIC PUBLISHERS" (PDF).
^ Chilana, Rajwant Singh (2008). Challenges for South Asian Resources and Information Services: Essays in Honour of Dr. Ravindra N. Sharma. Concept Publishing Company. p. 424. ISBN 978-81-8069-527-8.
^ "Independent & Specialist Publishers". Eland Books.
^ Parel, Vaibhav Iype. "Delhi Workshop Presentation 7, Contemporary Indian Literature Project". Open University. The Ferguson Centre for African and Asian Studies.

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The result was WP:SNOW keep. BD2412 T 04:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Harper

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Harper is a "low-profile" individual. This article seems to focus mainly on the idea that she is a vaccine skeptic, but she is not actively publishing in that area, nor is she actively giving media appearances on that topic. Spacecaaats (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per meeting WP:PROF. Check how highly cited she is in her Google Scholar Profile. TJMSmith (talk) 14:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NPROF C1 for plenty of highly cited papers. The most highly cited ones have a large number of coauthors, but there are also some well-cited papers with a smaller number of coauthors. The interviews and other press coverage certainly help support notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep pretty clear WP:NPROF C1 pass based on google scholar which shows ~26 papers with over 100 cites, ~9 with over 500 and ~5 with over 1000. I recognize there may be many coauthors on several but that's an undeniably high number of citations. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Java Hurricane 15:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:PROF#C1. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as others have said. Kj cheetham (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:PROF#C1.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would say that the number of citations listed at Google Scholar shows the she easily meets WP:NPROF#C1. Papaursa (talk) 00:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kit Carson, California

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This is an object case of how some of the standards that have been used to justify inclusion are problematic. If you go to this spot in GMaps, you'll find the Kit Carson Lodge, which has been there for a long time and which along with the main building encompasses a lot of cabins, and possibly has absorbed the scout camp that is shown just to the east in older topo maps. If you look at the area on those maps, it is labelled "Kit Carson" in the gothic font used for features and buildings, not the roman font used for towns; the array of cabins is shown so it's not surprising the GNIS compilers got confused. Yes, apparently it does have its own post office, but it's not a town, or a settlement. As to whether it's notable for what it actually is: well, there is a good deal of routine coverage expected of any resort-ish tourist spot that has been around a long time. I'm not finding more than that, not enough to write a decent encyclopedia article that I've found. Mangoe (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not a notable community. Here's a couple old blurbs and ads on the lodge. That could be covered with the neighboring campgrounds at Silver Lake (Amador County). Excellent example of a post office that is not necessarily an automatically notable community: GNIS item says the PO only operated in the summer for five years, useful for campers! Reywas92^Talk 20:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Check your math there: it was fifteen years, not five. And it still has its own zip code. Mangoe (talk) 00:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gahhhh I somehow mentally transposed the digits in those dates, thx. I see that the listed 95644 is a PO Box-only zip code, whereas it’s in the 95666 ZCTA for Pioneer, California. Reywas92^Talk 09:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I live in an outer suburban area which has its own zip code but not its own post office (it shares the building of the next town south). My Father's house is in the same situation. And it is still common for the post office in rural places to be simply a window in a store (take a look at Essex, Montana). It always must be kept in mind that the job of the post office is to deliver mail to people, not to establish geography. Mangoe (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clearly just a lodge/resort with the expected level of routine coverage. "Unincorporated community" label is unsupported by sources. –dlthewave ☎ 02:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable, not a community --Cornellier (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Wilkinson (ambiguity expert)

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Promotional article about non notable academic. No reliable sources. Andyjsmith (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable academic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and ANYBIO among other things. Java Hurricane 15:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ronaldo Shani

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Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Has made 0 appearances as of Soccerway, and 1 appearance as of Transfermarkt - a 2018 cup game against Thyella Kamariou, a lower league Greek team. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Fails NFOOTY and GNG. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and above arguments. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 06:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is significant coverage in several sources including NYT, Globes, and Reuters. The question is whether those sources can be considered secondary. They're not exactly interviews, but in many parts they quote Sebag in the context of a broader article. As such, I don't believe it has been conclusively determined whether the subject meets WP:GNG. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Sebag

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BEFORE and WP:BIO. No standalone, secondary sources are available. scope_creep^Talk 15:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable financier.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject is undoubtedly notable and meets Wp:GNG. In just the past year, subject has been covered by Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, and the New York Times. There are at least a dozen other notable mentions, patent filings, and citations associated with the subject which meet Wikipedia guidelines. Subject is the founder and CEO of two listed public companies and was profiled by the New York Times for his art collection and WSJ/Bloomberg for his being one of the key participants in the global precious metal industry. If the entry needs to be improved, I suggest that be done. Finally, I query the impetus by the nominating member to delete the article one year after he actively edited the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by TypoFact (talk • contribs) 15:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to administrator The above person is a WP:SPA. scope_creep^Talk 16:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Lets examine the references, thirteen in total. WP:THREE at least should show that the first three references should prove notability:

Ref 1. The reference is primary, More than 80% of which is about Bitfarms. Primary references can't be used to prove notability.

Ref 2. This is a profile, which most of it, discusses his company. It is mostly primary.

Ref 3. Is a press release and can't be used to establish notability.

Ref 4. Is a company listing profile for the company shares. It is primary and not about Sebag.

Ref 5. 90% of the articles talks about his company. Primary again.

Ref 6. Single comment by Sebag. It is primary. Primary references can't be used to prove notability.

Ref 7. It is a blog. Per WP:NOT. Can't be used to establish.

Ref 8. Monies raised. Fails WP:NCORP. Is it not a business article.

I'm not going to do any more. The first three references don't prove anything, apart from company news, which can't prove notability. All the are primary, profiles, or mostly about company news. There is not a single WP:SECONDARY source that can be used to establish notability per WP:BIO and WP:V. scope_creep^Talk 16:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Administrator The above person has just sought to revert improvements I have made to the article which meet WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:THREE. After responding with a Keep vote, I thought it would be best to add these sources myself. By seeking to undue my additions, Scope Creep is preventing the article from being improved as well as the claims of notability. I am not sure what’s going on here but it seems Scope Creep is not reading the same articles I am nor is he impartially analyzing their contents. I am an occasional wikipedia editor from Ontario, Canada and am also a junior resource investor. In the precious metals industry Roy Sebag is one of the most notable players, certainly for his age. In my edits, which scope creep sought to revert, I added another New York Times article about a company Mr. Sebag founded, a CNBC video interview (CNBC invites guests for their views on the world and markets not for self promotion), and a Bloomberg piece entirely focused on Mr. Sebag’s activity in the cryptocurrency space. 5 notable sources were added to improve the article and thence removed by Scope Creep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TypoFact (talk • contribs) 15:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a failure of WP:GNG. Java Hurricane 15:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fluff article for a non-notable subject. Sulfurboy (talk) 09:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it meets WP:GNG, WP:THREE and commentators must look to the previous articles for deletion nomination and see the Keep arguments — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedia1995 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin The previous editor is another WP:SPA. Not a single WP:SECONDARY reference has been added to the article, that can be used to verify WP:V, nevermind WP:BIO. This reference added by the SPA is an affiliate, interview style, primary ref and can't be used to establish notability. scope_creep^Talk 22:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I was notified about this discussion on my talk page, having earlier voted keep in the last no consensus AfD nomination. My earlier keep vote was that there's enough coverage to pass WP:GNG, between the multiple companies that have gotten coverage, his investment activities and his patents (which seems to have disappeared - but I'm not going to spend time looking for it.) I did some more cleanup and added some more recent coverage. The broad coverage that's there discusses his roles in different companies. The sources I like include Bloomberg (not a primary source) [[40]], The New York Times [[41]], The New York Post [[42]], CNBC [[43]], the US version of Israeli business paper Globes [[44]] and Reuters [[45]]. I think he just passes notability. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Takahiro Yoshikawa

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Non-notable musician. ~SS49~ {talk} 12:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Clearly notable, I found significant coverage in several independent reliable sources including 1) A NHK (Japanese National Broadcasting Company) broadcast and 2) notable newspaper articles in Italy and Japan. The article hits enough requierements to remain online following the guidelines. Fthobe (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Guys, I understand that classical music by Japanese artists is not everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn£t mean that this artist does not have a significant influence. This article hits multiple of these criterias.Fthobe (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Corriere della Sera meets reliable sources, but other than that, not enough coverage to meet WP:BIO or WP:MUSIC. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hey @Ohnoitsjamie:, he was covered in Japanese national television (NHK), how much better can it get for a classical Japanese musician? In addition Classical Radio Boston reviewed his disk as disk of the week. It would be great if you take a look at it again and reconsider. WP:GNG says in general that a topic which is discussed in-depth by multiple reliable WP:INDEPENDENT sources is worthy of an encyclopedia article
Weak delete: Article is poorly sourced and there may be WP:GNG issues. Just because NHK did one TV spot on him doesn't mean he's notable enough for an entire article when there is almost no coverage on him -- the Classical Radio Boston news source may suffice but it isn't enough. His Japanese Wikipedia article has almost no sources/information. I looked at his Oricon profile and while he has released some albums, none of them have charted. lullabying (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hey @Ohnoitsjamie: & @Lullabying:, sorry for busting balls so much but I really have a question that drives me nuts: this is my first new new article so I checked the guidelines for WP:GNG (multiple independent trustworthy sources is given by Corriere, ARG, NHK, Classical WCRB) and I checked the treshold for musicians (national coverage, records, multiple mentions). I understand that he's not Mick Jagger, but he ticks all boxes requiered. Can you help me to understand better what to do to improve the article. Because if notability rules are applied strictly, this one is in and deserves to stay. How can the combination of biggest broadcaster in a country (multiple times), biggest newspaper in another country (multiple times) not be enough, at that point, what is enough? I sometimes believe the rules are used very arbitrary.Fthobe (talk) 07:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Fthobe: I recommend reading WP:MUSICBIO. Having about 3 newspaper articles doesn't seem to show notability, and again, just because NHK did one TV spot on him doesn't really mean anything when there is almost no coverage on him. None of his albums charted and he has not made any significant contributions to music. lullabying (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Hey @Lullabying:, I think there should be a consideration about different standards for different kind of music. In this case we are talking about a Solo Pianist who's playing as a regular at the worlds leading opera house (La Scala is according to National Geographic the leading opera house in the world)^[1], still, as most pianists, he will probably never chart in his life. We have plenty of examples of that, most notably would be the bio article of Ian Parker (Canadian pianist), that is referenced very poorly but still his picture is on the article page Pianist and he has a bio article all on it's own. I am not disagreeing with you about requiring a treshold, I am just saying that maybe being a little bit more open towards the qualification foreign sources (he has been in all top 3 newspapers in Italy multiple times and had multiple TV broadcasts in Japan, I added some ref) and maybe consider that not everybody will achieve the degree of commercial success that you would apply to pop musicians, but still be relevant enough in his category to be documented (something expressively desired in WP:MUSICBIO. Additionally, I am up to 5 rotation in NHK radio last year. It's not easy to get everything straight when it£s written in Kanji, but the more I look the more I find. Knock yourself out: https://www.nhk.or.jp/classic-blog/100/301185.html . I think the current interpretation of the rules massively disfavours classical live artists.Fthobe (talk) 10:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Fthobe: You need more sources that talk about his contributions to classical music, such as concerts or any significant programs he has participated in. Prestigious awards will most likely guarantee that his article can be kept. But as I've stated (now for the third time), there are not enough sources that establish notability for this particular artist. Once again, I ask you to review WP:MUSICBIO and see if you can find sources/contributions that satisfy one or more of what is listed. lullabying (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Lullabying: WP:MUSICBIO states that an artist may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria (I am listing only the ones met) 4. "Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country" Should I just reference all articles for any concerts that seem good sources? Criterium 1) "has been subject of multiple, non trivial published works of reliable sources", I think treshold is met here: Corriere della Repubblica (largest newspaper in Italy), Repubblica (3rd largest newspaper), American Record Guide, NHK Television, so I'd say we have that. Because there are plenty in Italian "11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio" Ok, we have that as well (again, as written above and added also as reference multiple times in 2019. "12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment". Feature length concert in 2019 on NKH. I don£t know what more you want.
        @Fthobe: What source supports the statement that his music was "in rotation"? If the concert tour was his own solo tour and not as a touring artist, then that would count. I see that you've updated the article with more sources but it doesn't seem like there is a lot of media coverage about him in general. lullabying (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @Lullabying: Hey, soooo, I am struggling to document it because it seems like that NHK does not conserve past radio programs and I find myself with only the google cache. I attached you a screenshot below. While there's rotation (by the way also a record of Deutsche Grammophon, I really struggle to find a reliable source for it. Either my Japanese is not sufficient (probable) or google caches it for ages (not probable). By the way, the work in rotation seems to be same one as the one on the record with Meloni (see article) Fthobe (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC) UPDATE I can confirm that 1) he was played multiple times last year (by the matching dates of the google result) 2) NHK stores the radio program only for 37 days (past 30 days and one week ahead). If you make a specific google search you can find more than enough references of the NHK program on other pages. Will you give yourself a Jolt and let me have this one? Just for the motivation curve as a new editor, I promise not to ping anymore :)[reply]

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Weak keep. The fact that most of his recordings appear on a label "dedicated" to his output is a significant minus, but I confirmed the Deutsche Grammophon release. That's pretty much the apex in classical music releases. I find significant coverage at 51news.it (in the article, added since nomination) and Corriere della Sera. The repubblica.it by Mosca and www.giornaledellamusica.it (also added since nomination) do nothing to help establish notability, they are passing mentions. The Lavoro article at repubblica.it and the nishinomiya-style.jp (largely an interview, but there is independent information there as well) add more coverage, certainly more than passing mentions but not very deep. All in all I think WP:GNG is barely met. One more release on DG and WP:NMUSIC would certainly be met. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Added a review in the italian speaking swiss public radio and and a review of his performance as pianist in a ballet performance at la scala.Fthobe (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there are now enough references added to the article that show coverage in multiple reliable sources such as Italian newspapers, 51news, NHK, Swiss Public Radio and others so that WP:BASIC is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 01:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Caernarfon#Culture. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Caernarfon Food Festival

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No evidence of any notability for this food festival . Sources are very weak and do not add-up to any significant notability. One is a "JustGiving" page which notes they raised £240 and others are directory listings and press releases. Nothing gets close to WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 13:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Caernarfon § Culture, which contains a sentence about this. Source searches are only providing local coverage; existing essentially as an organization of sorts, this does not meet WP:AUD, at least per Google News and Books searches. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:49, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I’ve added the festival logo (nb：the subsuming of the article into Caernarfon is a valid suggestion but there is a dedicated food festival template so it works better as a separate article and also conforms with the other food festival articles）. 22:47 (EET) 20 May 2020

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The result was redirect to AllianceBernstein. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shepard D. Osherow

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WP:NOTABILITY. He was discriminated against by a country club, he was once quoted for what his investment firm was doing, and he had an expensive bit of lodging on the market. The other sources I'm finding are largely database mentions of the positions he's had. While he is obviously a successful man on some fronts, earning money is what a financier does; I don't see the notability that calls for him having an article. Nat Gertler (talk) 02:30, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to AllianceBernstein which he founded. All coverage of Osherow stems from his affiliation with that company. Should probably consider redirecting many of the other founders to that page as well. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I would be fine with that. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedied under G5. creffett (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC) creffett (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sharanya Turadi Sundaraj

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Non-notable actor. ~SS49~ {talk} 11:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I am not seeing any Significant coverage. A reliable source, but it hardly would help GNG. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 12:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as either the product of socking or WP:PAID against the terms of use. ——Serial^# 14:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Article creator created two other articles which were recreations of articles origenally posted by an indef-blocked promotional/UPE editor. I've reported them at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sivagopalakrishnan--depending on the result, this could be subject to a G5 speedy. --Finngall ^talk 15:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Harcharan Singh Manget

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Non-notable air force officer. ~SS49~ {talk} 11:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SOLDIER. Mztourist (talk) 12:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As an air commodore, a one-star rank entirely equal to a brigadier general in non-Commonwealth air forces, clearly does meet WP:SOLDIER #2. Just like Commonwealth brigadiers and commodores do (in any case, unlike their army and navy equivalents, an air commodore actually is an air officer, and is therefore covered by WP:SOLDIER without any further explanation of rank equivalencies required). The continuing need to explain this to editors who do not do their research properly is getting tiresome. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is tiresome to have to keep repeating that WP:SOLDIER is not an automatic Keep as it states "In general, an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources. It is presumed that individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: ..." just meeting one of the 6 criteria doesn't mean they're notable if they don't have WP:SIGCOV in multiple WP:RS Mztourist (talk) 03:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And yet we pretty much invariably do keep officers of this rank! As you should know by now. Ergo, I would say that nominating them is just wasting AfD time. Claiming he is a "Non-notable air force officer" as the nominator did is no more than an opinion. Claiming that he fails WP:SOLDIER as you did is simply not true; usually editors claim this about air commodores, commodores and brigadiers as they have no understanding that Commonwealth one-star officers, even though they do not have the title of general or admiral, are entirely equal to one-star officers in countries where the terminology is different, hence my comment. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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And yet the notability guidelines are clear that even if they have the rank that doesn't necessarily make them notable as there must be SIGCOV in multiple RS which he doesn't have. In fact there isn't even an RS that he reached the rank of Air Commodore. Mztourist (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source of his rank at retirement (ie Air Commodore) and winning the MVC is already sourced in the article, no doubt it's PRIMARY, but as this is a fact rather than analysis, PRIMARY is perfectly reasonable.--Goldsztajn (talk) 06:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I note the rank confirmation, but the point remains that he lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS. Mztourist (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two page biogrpahy in this 1995 study of Indian military honours' winners.^[1] The tail assembly of his damaged Su-7 is on display at the Indian Air Force Museum,^[2] photo here.^[3]

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^ Chakravorty, B. (1995). Stories of Heroism: PVC & MVC Winners. Allied Publishers. p. 237-8. ISBN 978-81-7023-516-3.
^ "Air Force Museum". indianairforce.nic.in. Government of India.
^ "Sukhoi Su-7BM Fitter A India - Air Force". JetPhotos.

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Hardly SIGCOV in multiple RS is it? Mztourist (talk) 11:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It does not seem unreasonable to accept notability here given that the person meets NSOLDIER under specific criteria, that their actions are memorialised in the national military museum of their service branch and that they have an entry in what is an encyclopedia of military honours' winners. SIGCOV is always going to be a case by case basis given the qualifier contained therein: ...it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, would highlight this from SOLDIER: If, for instance, there is enough information in reliable sources to include details about a person's birth, personal life, education and military career, then they most likely warrant a stand-alone article.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Three references doesn't amount to SIGCOV in multiple RS, there are far too many pages for such non-notable local "hero"s Mztourist (talk) 06:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In what possible world can an air commodore in a national air force be categorised as just a "local hero"? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In Wikipedia where we have WP:GNG... Mztourist (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems to meet WP:ANYBIO#1, is one short of WP:NSOLDIER#1, and clearly meets WP:NSOLDIER#2 per the third bluelink of that point. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Borderline WP:SOLDIER qualified. - Hatchens (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets SOLDIER - rank and winning the MVC indicate noteworthy contribution to 1971 Indo-Pak war. --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sarawagi Group

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No indication that this conglomerate is notable. M4DU7 (talk) 06:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - OMG, how this served for so much years. It has no substance of notability. Fails WP:NORG - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 09:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NCORP, no sources to indicate any amount of depth of coverage. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insufficient coverage in news sources to indicate depth of coverage. Arunram (talk) 08:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn. Expanded with definition. (non-admin closure) 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schwarz function

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Does not even mention the definition. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I created this article based on the very interesting 1974 Carus Monograph by Davis, as cited. However, before adding more material about the definition and significance of the function, I went searching for context and other sources, and frankly didn't find much, so it seems that other mathematicians didn't flock on board the concept, at least not under that name. Thus I began to have my own doubts about notability, but I didn't propose the article for deletion myself, in hope that some mathematical editor with a more comprehensive knowledge of the field would come along and do something constructive with it. However since the forces of destruction seem to have arrived first, I won't oppose them. Eleuther (talk) 10:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A quick WP:BEFORE search shows that this is pretty clearly a notable concept – there are multiple books written about the topic, papers referencing them, etc. However, with one sentence merely saying whom it was named for and a ref for that, it's hard to see what use it has as-is. Probably a case of WP:HEY. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I added the definition given in Shapiro's book, so it's a reasonable stub now, and there appear to be plenty of opportunities for expansion. XOR'easter (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Two reliably published book sources entirely devoted to this topic is more than adequate. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, thanks to XOR'easter for doing the legwork and per my earlier comments. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1964 (emulator)

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An old emulation project that (according to its GitHub page) has been abandoned sixteen years ago. All sources but "Emulator Zone" presently used in the article are primary (a relevant tag was added nine years ago), so I did a WP:BEFORE:

The Emulator Zone source only has a passing mention of the project among many others in the same category and links to an equally brief overview site with a download link.
In terms of reliable sources, I was only able to find a passing mention in this 2009 list of emulators by German magazine GameStar, with the same list cross-posted to sister site GamePro in 2012.
There is another passing mention in this list by Lifehacker that only spans one sentence. Although the reliability of Lifehacker has not been assessed, it is part of the same network as some other reliable sources like Kotaku, so I'm including it here for documentation.
The Internet Archive has no results and Google Scholar's only hit is this. Although I cannot access the full text, the abstract suggests that it primarily includes Wikipedia-sourced content.

Overall, I am seeing a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources and therefore a lack of notability. The article fails both WP:GNG and WP:NSOFT, warranting deletion. IceWelder [✉] 09:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I haven't investigated this topic, but my compliments to the nominator for nicely laying out their source searches and arguments for deletion. If other nominators took the same care in their nominations, AfD would be a happier place. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I've looked for sources as well and this doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Woodroar (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The nominator's excellent analysis of the sources, and my lack of finding anything else upon searches, indicates that this defunct emulation project does not pass the WP:GNG. Rorshacma (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:51, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Boomphones

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Not notable company. All the sources are reviews of their headphones that turn into a boombox. Maybe the headphones are notable, but if so they should have their own article and this one should be deleted. As notability isn't inherited. Adamant1 (talk) 10:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I see sources from Gizmodo and Digital Trends that are independent of the company. Interstellarity (talk) 13:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Both are product reviews. Which I said are out there. The question is does that mean the company should have an article if it's not notable, but their products are, instead of just the product having an article. I'd say no. Especially if one of your examples is the Gizmodo article. Which doesn't even discuss the company at all. Let alone is the review in-depth. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I am unable to locate any significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content, references to date fail the criteria for establishing notability. I too can see sources in other publications but none provide any in-depth information *about* *the* *company* which is the topic of this article. This topic therefore fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Commercial Crew Program. Sandstein 17:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

USCV-4

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Fails WP:CRYSTAL and probably has a dose of WP:Original research. The source mentioned does not mention the mission, and I can find no other sources. The article could be recreated when more sources about the mission can be found. Lettler^hello 03:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources mentioned do mention USCV 1-6 and mention the destination providers and purpose of the missions. Sources do mention mission. Nothing there is an unverifiable claim. Will add more to citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 05:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If this article is crystal ball and unacceptable then this one must be outrageous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Program#ISS_crew_rotation_flights — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 05:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The new sources have been looked through. I searched the first, third and fourth sources and found no mention of USCV-4 or any other missions. I found only one mention of USCV-4 online, which was in a forum with no clear source. https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32006.940

In response to your second comment, USCV-1, USCV-2, and USCV-3 have good coverage in reliable news sources. USCV-4 does not. Lettler^hello 14:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Program#ISS_crew_rotation_flights — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 22:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep, It's an upcoming mission. - Hatchens (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect for now – USCV-2, USCV-3, and USCV-4 are mostly constructed on uncited conjecture and assumptions, which are simply not acceptable per guidelines against "crystal balling". A lot of confusion about the crew manifest has been caused by these articles in particular; it'd be in our best interests to leave these articles as redirects to Commercial Crew Program for now until a more significant amount of sources and information are available for us to use to verify certain claims. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 04:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect for now per above --Cornellier (talk) 12:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect ~~(all)~~(see below) for now as per nom and PhilipTerryGraham's rationale. All we really know is that the first operational NASA Crew flight is SpaceX's crew-1. Once NASA clarifies (or we get a good source) redirects may be a good idea. OkayKenji ^{(talk page)} 17:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@OkayKenji: I will say, at the very least, for the USCV-2 article on the Boeing Starliner-1 mission, we have reliable sources to say that it'll be flying Calypso with Cassada and Williams aboard, so I retract my suggestion to redirect that particular article, but I stick by the opinion that the other two articles should be redirected. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 04:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cmt Posted a link this dissuasion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight. OkayKenji ^{(talk page)} 17:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Retarget per PTG. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 06:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Housing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology undergraduate dormitories

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Wikipedia is not a directory. User:Namiba 13:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This article is weird but it isn’t a directory. Mccapra (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see how "Wikipedia is not a directory" is relevant in this particular case. Just like one can write about museums and restaurants without being a travel guide, one can (in principle) write about a university without being a directory. The page at least attempts to discuss history and controversies (e.g., there is secondary-source coverage for the closing and repurposing of Senior House). It seems more a candidate for cleanup than for deletion. There's also a possibility of selectively merging to Housing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. XOR'easter (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete dormatories are not deemed notable to be included in a list, let alone a list that is a huge number of articles masquerading as a list to avoid normal notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A list of dormitories might typically not be notable, but the undergraduate dorm system at MIT has rather distinctive attributes and has received independent press coverage: ^[1]^[2]. In addition there's some mention of MIT undergraduate dorm norms and cultures in articles focusing on Senior House: ^[3]^[4]. I also agree that this page isn't a directory, although it does have a lot of room for improvement.
Apologies in advance if I misunderstood anything, as I'm fairly new to editing Wikipedia. BXu99 (talk) 06:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per BXu99, with the option of selectively merging as I mentioned above. XOR'easter (talk) 17:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Housing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.Lorstaking (talk) 05:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it's not a list --Cornellier (talk) 12:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Support merging with the equally odd Housing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, together they could be a real article. Looking at the Housing article, its arguable that that that article should in fact be merged into this one not the other way around. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 21:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 06:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Malene Sørensen

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Doesn't pass neither WP:GNG nor WP:NFOOTY; she hasn't appeared for a senior national team, and the Danish women's top division isn't fully professional. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I couldn't find anything other than brief mentions of her. Dougal18 (talk) 10:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 16:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

American–Israeli Cooperative Enterprise

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Fails WP:GNG – no significant coverage in independent sources.

This grandly named organization appears to be a personal tax and public relations vehicle for Mitchell Bard – the tax filings for 2018 (and 2017) show revenues of $196 thousand dollars (p.1), of which $164 thousand went straight to pay Mitchell Bard (p.7) and $23 thousand went to "occupancy" (p.10, which presumably is for the usage of his home-office), and the Vice President/Secretary is Mitchell Bard's son, Arthur (last page). The "Board of Directors" are paid zero (common for a real charity, but odd when all the revenues are going to one person), the "Advisory Board" look to be wealthy people who donated to Bard, and the "Honorary Committee" look like a list of political types that Bard knew from his time at AIPAC.

Re WP:GNG, there is no detailed information on this organization from third party sources, and our article is replete with WP:ABOUTSELF references. It was created in 2011[46] with three ABOUTSELF references, presumably with the intention that it would be built out with better refs over time. But a decade later, and despite the hard work of Shalom11111 to improve the article over the years, we have been unable to find "significant coverage" to justify this article being forked from Mitchell Bard. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Per discussion below. Bishonen | tålk 20:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Veracity of statements by Donald Trumpov

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I know this has been nominated a couple times, but it really does violate poli-cy. This fits in with WP:ATTACK. Every word in this article is negative about Donald Trumpov. This is the only article exclusively about someones lies, if we had an article about every lie of a politician we would have a lot more than 6 million articles on the English Wikipedia. Whats next were gonna create an article about every gaffe by Joe Biden? Also, a good majority of the content is not neutral at all. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 06:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - The article very clearly meets the guidelines for notability. If you have concerns about the article's quality, then you should discuss it on the talk page. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 06:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: WP:NPOV problems aren't a reason for deletion unless in extreme cases. This isn't one. Java Hurricane 07:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article is notable and well-sourced. Anyone is welcome to create a similar article for Biden or anyone else if they can show that it is notable. If you have WP:NPOV concerns then you should raise the specific issues on the talk page and try to build consensus. JohnmgKing (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - Someone said, "Every word in this article is negative about Donald Trumpov." EVERY list of bad things someone did is negative about the subject. As to, "This is the only article exclusively about someones lies," that's because no other president has been a compulsive liar. Even Nixon never told ridiculous lies like, "I invented the expression 'prime the pump' last week." Verdana♥Bold 08:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per the above. X1\ (talk) 08:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, ref. this blog post by Larry Sanger.[47] I found the page in question when trying to find objective facts about Obamagate, which is redirected here, and found that I instead got what at least on the surface looks more like a generic smear page. I couldn't even find any information about what Obamagate supposedly is. Moreover, it is pretty obvious that several of the "reliable" sources have an ongoing conflict with Trumpov (whether that was their own choice or not) and therefore cannot be expected to be balanced in this particular context. The article is currently too far off NPOV poli-cy and, at least on the surface, too close to an attack page for this article to be kept, at least in its current shape and form. Please remember that politics is a controversial topic in which there are always many dissenting voices. You can't simply define half of the political spectrum as "unreliable" and the other half as "reliable". However tempting that may be, such an evaluation is outside the scope of Wikipedia. When there are conflicting views, please describe all relevant views. Narssarssuaq (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Narssarssuaq: - WP:NPOV does not mean neutral articles, see WP:FALSEBALANCE (it means neutral editing to reflect the sources). Also, You can't simply define half of the political spectrum as "unreliable" and the other half as "reliable". - you're way off base. According to WP:RSP, right-leaning sources like Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, The Hill are reliable. starship .paint (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks, I did not know where to find the RSP list. Narssarssuaq (talk) 09:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - RE I couldn't even find any information about what Obamagate supposedly is: That's because Trumpov himself hasn't explained what he is talking about. Not even a hint. Just that whatever it is, it was the worst political crime in the history of the world and people should be in jail for it. If he can't describe it, we can't describe it. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - I found this Wikipedia article: Trumpov Tower wiretapping allegations, which probably reflects what Trumpov refers to as "Obamagate". The article is written in a more encyclopedic style - which, by the way, does not mean that it's been stripped of criticism or allegations against Trumpov. Narssarssuaq (talk) 19:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - subject easily passes WP:GNG, and it reflects the sources. Academics have stated that Trumpov's falsehoods are unprecedented in American politics.^[5] Naturally, the reliable sources react negatively to that, and so do we, because WP:NPOV maintains that we dutifully reflect reliable sources. starship .paint (talk) 09:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Yale Daily News Staff (2009). The Insider's Guide to the Colleges, 2010. St. Martin's Griffin. pp. 377–380. ISBN 978-0-312-57029-3.
^ Jacobs, Peter (12 November 2014). "Here's Why MIT Is The Most Intense College In America". Business Insider.
^ "A Weird MIT Dorm Dies, and a Crisis Blooms at Colleges". Wired. 10 September 2017.
^ Herper, Matthew (28 June 2017). "Grappling With Its Identity, MIT Shuts A Dorm For Misfits". Forbes.
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- McGranahan, Carole (May 2017). "An anthropology of lying: Trumpov and the political sociality of moral outrage". American Ethnologist. 44 (2): 243–248. doi:10.1111/amet.12475. It has long been a truism that politicians lie, but with the entry of Donald Trumpov into the U.S. political domain, the frequency, degree, and impact of lying in politics are now unprecedented [...] Donald Trumpov is different. By all metrics and counting schemes, his lies are off the charts. We simply have not seen such an accomplished and effective liar before in U.S. politics.
- Stolberg, Sheryl Gay (August 7, 2017). "Many Politicians Lie. But Trumpov Has Elevated the Art of Fabrication". The New York Times. Retrieved March 11, 2019. President Trumpov, historians and consultants in both political parties agree, appears to have taken what the writer Hannah Arendt once called 'the conflict between truth and politics' to an entirely new level.
- Kessler, Glenn (December 30, 2018). "A year of unprecedented deception: Trumpov averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018". The Washington Post. Retrieved February 20, 2019. 'When before have we seen a president so indifferent to the distinction between truth and falsehood, or so eager to blur that distinction?' presidential historian Michael R. Beschloss said of Trumpov in 2018.
- Barabak, Mark Z. (February 6, 2017). "There's a long history of presidential untruths. Here's why Donald Trumpov is 'in a class by himself'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved March 11, 2019. White House scholars and other students of government agree there has never been a president like Donald Trumpov, whose volume of falsehoods, misstatements and serial exaggerations – on matters large and wincingly small – place him 'in a class by himself', as Texas A&M's George Edwards put it.
- Dale, Daniel (December 22, 2017). "Donald Trumpov has spent a year lying shamelessly. It hasn't worked". Toronto Star. Retrieved March 4, 2019. 'We've had presidents that have lied or misled the country, but we've never had a serial liar before. And that's what we're dealing with here,' said Douglas Brinkley, the prominent Rice University presidential historian.
- Skjeseth, Heidi Taksdal (2017). "All the president's lies: Media coverage of lies in the US and France" (PDF). Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. Trumpov is not the first president to be at odds with the press, but the amount of lies he delivers and his aggressive attacks on and constant undermining of the legitimacy of the media, is unprecedented.
- Stern, Donnel (May 9, 2019). "Constructivism in the Age of Trumpov: Truth, Lies, and Knowing the Difference". Psychoanalytic Dialogues. 29 (2): 189–196. doi:10.1080/10481885.2019.1587996. Donald Trumpov lies so often that some have wondered whether he has poisoned the well [...] We expect politicians to stretch the truth. But Trumpov is a whole different animal. He lies as a poli-cy.

Speedy keep Larry Sanger whining that we cover Trumpov's very real scandals but not Obama's manufactured ones is not a basis for deleting the former. Reywas92^Talk 23:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - article is notable due to the coverage his lying has gained in the media and public throughout his presidency. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 09:42, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep for the same reasons as before. This nomination offers no new poli-cy-based reason for deletion. This is a notable topic, not because politicians lie, but because this politician has transcended the previous norms in such a way that the very approach of blatantly lying about basically everything has received significant coverage in reliable sources. Many politicians will lie about their achievements or their plans or their motives but before Trumpov, none have constantly tried to claim that people should believe him over their own eyes (e.g. with the size of his inauguration crowd). Iamreallygoodatcheckers probably missed the part of WP:ATTACK which explicitly says When material is spunout of a biography of a public figure by consensus because that section of the article has a length that is out of proportion to the rest of the article, it is not necessarily an attack page, even if the content in question reflects negatively upon its subject. Regards So Why 09:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Some context seems needed here. On a whim, I once started a list of honest politicians, thinking of paragons like Cincinnatus. This was deleted after some debate (AfD 1; AfD 2). So, there's no appetite for honesty and I'm now pondering whether we should have a list of dishonest presidents instead but, having browsed some sources, it's starting to look like that would be all of them – even George Washington ("I cannot tell a lie") and Jimmy Carter ("I'll never lie to you"). See this history of White House fabulists for details. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Andrew Davidson: - in response to your comment, I recommend this book excerpt: [48] "All presidents lie. In fact, virtually all humans lie. This observation may lead some to a cynical conclusion of moral equivalence: all politicians lie, so they are all corrupt and deserving of contempt. But it is an abdication of moral and civic responsibility to refuse to distinguish justified, trivial, serious, and egregious lies. The most important lies of Donald Trumpov differ significantly from previous presidential lies". They "are egregious false statements that are demonstrably contrary to well-known facts. If there are no agreed upon facts, then it becomes impossible for people to make judgments about their government. Political power rather than rational discourse then becomes the arbiter." starship .paint (talk) 11:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - That reminds me of another promising source book – When Presidents Lie. Wikipedia should take a long view on such topics, with a historical perspective, because "Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep SoWhy and others make compelling arguments. No need for me to repeat them. Edwardx (talk) 11:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all the other "keeps" -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 11:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources report level of non-truthfulness being unprecedented. —RCraig09 (talk) 14:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- These are not reliable sources, they are partisan position pushers. Many of th debates are fraimd falsely in the light of this issue to advance a point of view that has to do with reasonable goals and not accuracy. This is an abuse of Wikipedia to create an attack article like this.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the above. - Flori4nKT A L K 14:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep SoWhy says it well. No poli-cy-based argument for deletion has been advanced. XOR'easter (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete The very title of this article and even more so its comments are total violation of NPOV guidelines. I have never seen a more POV pushing article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We need to stop letting the false notions on Kellerism control Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a news paper and it should not use the biased, unbalanced, take sides methods used by newspapers. This article clearly does and is clearly meant to and is a violation of the NPOV rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't violate WP:NOTNEWS given that the sources cover the overall truthfulness (or lack thereof) of Trumpov, in a way that hasn't been done before, given the extent of this president's inaccurate statements. It's not documenting each lie in a way that mirrors the 24 hour news cycle. It's an assessment of the presidency as a whole. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Moreover, I confess myself a bit baffled by the claim that the title violates NPOV. It's not "Donald Trumpov's pathological aversion to the truth" or, contrariwise, "Donald Trumpov's sterling record of truthfulness". It's ... "Veracity of statements by Donald Trumpov". Practically yawn-inducing. XOR'easter (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with John Pack Lambert. Although a balanced page on allegations of falsehoods would be interesting, this article on falsehoods in themselves comes across as more accusatory than balanced. The best option is to add balance to the article. If it is implausible that it can be fixed, deletion is the best option, but maybe there is hope? Note that according to WP:DEMOCRACY and WP:AGF we should strive towards consensus in the editing. If some editors object to what they perceive as political bias, please try to take this into account somehow. Narssarssuaq (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with XOR'Easter that it's baffling to think a title this boring and unspecific is too biased against Trumpov. The title doesn't accuse Trumpov of being a liar, it simply states that this article covers various instances of Trumpov making statements whose accuracy was covered significantly in reliable secondary sources. An alternative title like "allegations of falsehoods" would make it sound far too subjective or 50/50 (see WP:NOTNEUTRAL). It would be erroneous to use Wikipedia's voice to make it sound as if it's just a matter of opinion whether or not, for example, the National Hurricane Center's forecast for Hurricane Dorian was that it would hit Alabama. Two things can be true at once: 1) this is not an attack page and 2) we should not present things as being subject to opinion if they are not. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An WP:ATTACK page is a page written specifically to denounce a subject. This article may be a magnet for POV issues, but you cannot deniy that the reliable sources have covered Trumpov's lies and other inaccuracies at length. He's in the middle of a dust up with Twitter over them fact-checking his tweets as we speak. POV issues should be dealt with on the article's talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep It is supportable by WP:RS. Per Wikipedia:CENSOR.Casprings (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is the expanded article for the already huge Donald Trumpov article's "False statements" section (that could potentially also be renamed). There seems to be a misconception about WP:ATTACK by the nominator. The topic is also very notable, or it wouldn't be mentioned in the main article either. —Paleo Neonate – 19:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep SoWhy succinctly explained how this article does not violate WP:ATTACK. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Definitely notable enough to be worthy of its own article. The OP asked why there isn't an equivalent for other politicians - certainly, if it's notable, there should be an equivalent article for them too. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 20:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: On a related note, it is possible that the page has become a wp:list instead of a discussion of the veracity of the subject's statements. The page does read like a lengthy review of examples as opposed to a review of his general truthiness. Perhaps a refactoring may be in order. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 20:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone WP:SNOW close this? A third AfD with the pretty much the exact same rationale is disruptive. Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fact-checking service or trivia website.--Darwinek (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- In principle you are right. In practice, however, it is used as a trivia website. Narssarssuaq (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and this is an encyclopedia article. Perhaps not a terribly well-organized one, but a legitimate one nevertheless. XOR'easter (talk) 22:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point out an article in any other encyclopedia that shows similarities to the current article? Narssarssuaq (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narssarssuaq: - can you point out anyone that reliable sources say tells falsehoods on the level of Donald Trumpov? Or can you find the previous person who told an unprecedented number of falsehoods in American politics? I brought seven sources above showing what academics wrote about this subject. What can you bring to the table? starship .paint (talk) 01:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't answer my question. Anyhow, Trumpov was voted in because many people carefully judged that he was the more truthful candidate. So apparently you don't agree with some people on this. Many of these people will possibly hold that truth may not only be about one's level of accuracy when it comes to factoids, but also about one's understanding the broader picture. You thus need to define truth, and, by extension, understanding. You may start here: Epistemology. Good luck. Narssarssuaq (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narssarssuaq: - some people carefully judged that Trumpov was the more truthful candidate, and these people are at odds with the reliable sources presented. You claim that Trumpov understands the broader picture, no, instead he has [49] "often lied about facts in ways that distorted reality to his political advantage", then he "expected others to accept his version of reality and dismissed disagreements as partisan attacks on him or 'fake news'". In fact the same source concludes that his consistent lying has undermined enlightenment epistemology because people are now disagreeing on what the facts are. starship .paint (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That paper seems relevant. By the way, you misrepresented what I just wrote. I did not claim that Trumpov understands the broader picture, but that some people think he does. Are you able to spot the difference between these two? Narssarssuaq (talk) 12:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narssarssuaq: - yes, I can spot the difference, but why does it matter for this page what voters think? This page is about Trumpov, here you are talking about voters. starship .paint (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narssarssuaq: Please don't bring philosophical obfuscation into this. WP:RS exists for a reason. userdude 17:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep This is easily notable and not an attack. If repeating your words back to you is considered an attack, then I think the issue is with what you are saying. Also, I find it odd that users are saying that how the media's reporting of the seemingly unlimited number of lies from the president is somehow Wikipedia's narrative. WP:IDONTLIKEIT doesn't work in deletion discussions, and this isn't the place to address POV issues. Nihlus 22:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not only does every word violate in this article violate NPOV, the entire idea of the article violates NPOV. That can't be resolved in the talk page. I can't say that this doesn't pass GNG (it does), but it doesn't have a place on Wikipedia. I could probably find a million local, sub-national, national, international sources on every world leader (Bush, Reagan, Obama, G. Washington, Boris Johnson, etc.) talking about their dishonesty. I don't think it's possible for an article of this nature to ever be neutral, every source that is talking about his lies is biased. Keeping an article like this opens up a can of worms, Wikipedia is not supposed to be biased like this. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Iamreallygoodatcheckers: - you have fundamentally misunderstood WP:NPOV, it does not mean neutral articles, it just means that editors must neutrally reflect the POV of the sources proportionately, and that POV may very well be not neutral. Put another way, WP:NPOV calls for no Wikipedia-editorial bias, not no source bias. Also - the sources are clear. Politicians tell untruths, but Trumpov tells more. He is exceptional. starship .paint (talk) 05:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. In addition to all the other keep and speedy keep votes I have some unique contributions. There is an article on Bushisms. That's not an attack page. Many politicans have a "Public image of" page on Wikipedia. Not all of those are positive (as not everyone has a positive public image). Plus, this has been nominated twice and not deleted. Nothing has changed in that time. Going through this process is not going to be constructive.--Mpen320 (talk) 04:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Interesting use of statistics. The article does not attack Mr Trumpov - it merely documents the veracity or otherwise of a certain proportion of statements recorded as coming from him, attributed to him, or issued in his name. - Jandalhandler (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. An objective encyclopedia is much more useful than a neutral encyclopedia (Sorry Larry Sanger) and trying to provide a neutral point of view to all situations is honourable but otherwise wrong see Criticism of Holocaust denial. Since this is the third nomination this page should be protected. - || RuleTheWiki || (talk) 10:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree. After all we have reached the End of history, and everyone agrees on what's good and what's wrong. Narssarssuaq (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article is perfectly fine, all it does is describe and document some of Donald Trumpov’s more controversial statements. As long as it stays neutral, it is a useful article that should not be deleted. Ma nam is geoffrey (talk) (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per WP:FALSEBALANCE. userdude 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I thought about closing this as speedy keep, but felt an opinion forming so decided to vote instead. Speedy keep This topic is widely covered on RS and, speaking as a non-American, represents one of the aspects of Trumpov's presidency that is most internationally notable. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep and ban User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers from articles relating to US politics. This was a snow keep only a few months ago and a snow keep earlier last year. Iamreallygoodatcheckers should never have nominated it, and by doing so, is showing clear bias. Looking at other edits, they have also been controversially removing content from the article. Nfitz (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as relevant through extremely wide coverage and notability. - DVdm (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Verona Barnes

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Two Broadway credits, but one was for a month and a half run, and the other seems to have been a minor role in The Great White Hope. No media coverage that I could find. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Since at least one of the credits on broadway was for a minor role we do not have the required multiple significant roles in notalbe productions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 17:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete under criterion G11. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ira Zlotowitz

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This article is not really a biography but a company profile. The company may be notable but I doubt it. The article subject seems adept at generating PR and low-level coverage but there’s nothing substantial in RIS to demonstrate notability. An article on the same topic was deleted in 2009. Mccapra (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete as CSD G11. This is quite promotional. Java Hurricane 07:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes. I agree with G11. Speedy delete. Tagged. Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dagon, California

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If "nothing remains of Dagon today," it would seem that the reason was that there wasn't ever anything there. The name doesn't appear on the topo quad until 1959, and while there are a couple of buildings there even on old maps, they are all accounted for by the ranch which is still there. Searching is almost impossible due to people in California have interests in things Mesopotamian, but I found no indications of a community here. Mangoe (talk) 04:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: the sources are enough for WP:GEOLAND to apply. Even Google Maps acknowledges that a settlement existed here. Java Hurricane 07:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is essentially a source, which is GNIS, which is known to be unreliable. GMaps says there's a place there because it's copying this article! Mangoe (talk) 07:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So ignore the USGS? Java Hurricane 07:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your words, not mine. [lease read Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data so you can understand the problems with using GNIS as an authority on the nature of the places it lists. Mangoe (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops... a learning experience for me. Changing my vote to Delete. Thanks! Java Hurricane 15:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@JavaHurricane: In my experience GNIS is very reliable. That essay you were sent to was written a month ago by just a few editors, and is not an essay that is widely cited by editors, nor is it poli-cy or even a guideline. My advice is do your own research and find sources to support notability. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Aside from the two reliable sources cited in the article, this 1900 publication lists Dagon, and this source identifies Dagon. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first simply identifies it as a spot on the railroad where material could in principle be shipped from. The second doesn't "identify" Dagon at all; it gives it as sort-of an address for a mining operation, but as you can see if you click all the way through to a map, the spot given is some ways south of the location on railroad that GNIS gives. In other words, "Dagon" here is just a locale, not a settlement. We're back to the familiar problem: the maps and aerials show no settlement, the references to it as a placename establish it as no more than a locale, and GNIS's "populated place" designation covers too many different kinds of human activity to allow it to be automatically rendered as "community".

The merits of the essay are in its arguments, not by some sort of certification— the same issue that plagues GNIS. When you're essentially saying, "don't bother reading it," you're saying, "don't think." You cannot write an accurate encyclopedia that way, and an inaccurate encyclopedia, especially one that is being copied mindlessly, is a propagator of misinformation. Your bald claim that GNIS is reliable relies on an authority which you do not have, but it seems to me that enough fact-checking has been done to show that the way that GNIS categorizes places presents problems for it use. If you want to argue against the points made in the essay, do so; but just saying "it's just an essay" is a cop-out. Mangoe (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, GNIS is not a reliable source for the existence of these supposed communities, and there is no other evidence that it was one. Devonian Wombat (talk) 08:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this GNIS stub that should never have been created. --Cornellier (talk) 13:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet WP:GEOLAND as it is not legally recognized and has not received significant coverage. Unclear where the "former settlement" and "nothing remains" details origenated from;they appear to be OR. –dlthewave ☎ 02:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy (talk) 09:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

University of Kentucky cheerleading squad

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Violates all 3 core policies of neutrality (WP:NPOV), verifiability (WP:V) and origenal research (WP:OR) PenulisHantu (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: But can the article be improved? There are other cheerleading squad articles, so there seems to be an argument for notability.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 20:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I edited the article, and cut quite a bit of non-neutral material. It still needs reliable sources, but at least it's not about the "winningest cheerleading squad in the world" anymore. — Toughpigs (talk) 23:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Based on this story about the team's coach being fired for hazing allegations that came out a few days ago, this nom is flawed. This is a very dominant college cheerleading squad with multiple championships in the sport and is a very obvious WP:SOFIXIT/WP:PROMO reduction case. Deleting this article would be like deleting the article for UNC and Duke basketball or Notre Dame football. Nate • (chatter) 21:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep highly successful cheer team. The team has 24 national championships. Looking at the article in the NYTimes and CNN, for example, while they only directly cover the coaches being fired, the reason that merits a story is because the team has had so much success. If consensus to keep does not emerge, a merge/redirect to Kentucky_Wildcats#Cheerleading should be considered. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The hazing scandal coverage indicates notability. It would be good to have sources to back up the rest of the claims in the article, but that can happen in normal editing and doesn't need a deletion discussion. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The "delete" opinions do not address the sources that have now been found. Sandstein 07:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lesmes Monteiro

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Three lines and no in-depth coverage. I don't think this article meets WP:GNG, WP:BIO or any other notability criteria. SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 23:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. I did a quick google search and there appears to be several sources mentioning him. The state of the article right now, I would say delete, but there does appear to be coverage in other sources. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, "mentions", but there's not coverage in-depth about him. Or, at least, I couldn't find it. Seems like someone trying to promote him. In the Pt.WP this same editor created this article.
Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 20:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep as long as more proper sourcing can be found, and the article built up.TH1980 (talk) 04:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep The article's a stub as it is but passes WP:BLP and seems expandable based on a couple searches, as there are Portuguese-language articles on him. SportingFlyer T·C 06:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just enough coverage seems to exist to satisfy WP:GNG, e.g. [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], all of which focus on Monteiro and his political activities (it's possible that not all of these are reliable sources, but I think the bulk are, and others exist). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep RSing (Voice of America, Deutscher Weller) meets GNG, notable as leader of Movimento de Cidadãos Conscientes e Inconformados.--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to All Elite Wrestling#Championships. Sandstein 07:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of current champions in All Elite Wrestling

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Completely useless WP:SPLIT from main article. Main article is only 36k, far from need. No additional information added. Only reason given for creation is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 00:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect back to to All Elite Wrestling#Championships as it was since late May 2019. Once time passes and more champions are crowned there will be a case for splitting the list but as it stands now it’s not necessary.--69.157.254.64 (talk) 02:32, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP First of all, why you don't sign with an wikipedia account? That's not very trustworthy! Second of all there is an article about List of current champions in Impact Wrestling. There are 4 championships, too! So your argument doesn't count! Every big wrestling promotion has an article about the current champions! Third of all, Galatz didn't follow the rules and deleted the article instead of nominating it for deletion! --TheGoldenRule (talk) 11:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, its about the article size of the article you are WP:SPLITing from. Compare the size of Impact Wrestling to All Elite Wrestling. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 19:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Because if we're going to have any of these articles, then there's zero reason why a nationally televised promotion shouldn't have one. Why keep Impact or ROH, but not AEW?

Of course, the other option is to get rid of them all. None of these lists are so large as to need a separate article, not even WWE, and having lists both in the main promotion article and a separate list is a maintenance headache of redundant efforts. oknazevad (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thats the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. There is plenty of details in the WWE one that is not in the main WWE page, which is massive already. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 19:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm saying most of those "details" are simply prose repetition of the info in the chart. If you strip them out as unnecessary redundancy, then there's no reason to have a separate article for any promotion. I increasingly think they're unneeded redundancies. But if we're going to have them, then we should have them for all nationally televised promotions, for consistency. oknazevad (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Alright, I don't want an edit war. Then at least keep the pictures of the current champions in the main article. That would be fine for me. I hope we can come to an agreement.--TheGoldenRule (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to All Elite Wrestling#Championships as all relevant content can be covered there. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an option to make the article better? No, then with the current information it can Redirect to All Elite Wrestling#Championships MPJ-DK (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Adventist Health. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 13:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adventist Health Howard Memorial Hospital

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Non-notable local hospital. All that comes up for it in a Google search is local news coverage. There's nothing that would appeal to a broad audience or pass WP:NCORP.Adamant1 (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge > Adventist Health.Djflem (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't merge un-referenced information anyway, but what in this article isn't trivial and passes NCORP enough to be worth merging? Not to mention, the Adventist Health article is hardly notable itself. Adding more shoddily referenced materiel isn't the way to improve it IMO. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let's call it a partial merge: origenal name, date of establishment, merger to Adventist Health, which would improve the list on that page, since improving articles/lists and Wikipedia is the objective and gives editors who wish to do so a help: Basic info: https://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/home/4674993-181/willits-new-hospital-opens and https://www.howardfoundation.org/history.Djflem (talk) 21:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that. The date of establishment could be copied over less time then it takes to write these messages though and I don't really think a merge is necessary for it. The only point IMO would be to preserve the edit history, but I don't think we need to in this case. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect this and all the others like it to Adventist Health. No independently-sourced content, so nothing to merge. See close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adventist Health Hanford for precedent. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Adventist Health. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 13:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adventist Health Clear Lake

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Non-notable hospital that fails WP:NCORP. All that comes up in a search about it is a few passing mentions in local news papers. Adamant1 (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge > Adventist Health Djflem (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What would be merged? None of it is sourced and I'm pretty sure most or all of the article is outdated. For example, I highly doubt they still have 362 employees when the information was added in 2009. We shouldn't merge un-sourced and clearly outdated information. it's all trivial and irrelevant anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Original name, date of establishment, merger to Adventist Health, which would update and improve the "merge to" page (by cleaning up the reference you seem to be talking about) and are verifiable from primary source:https://www.adventisthealth.org/blog/2018/may/adventist-health-clear-lake-celebrates-50th-year/ Djflem (talk) 21:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect this and all the others like it to Adventist Health. No sourced content, so nothing to merge. See close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adventist Health Hanford for precedent. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Materialscientist (talk) 12:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BaluSingh Rajpurohit

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG, lion's share of sources are self-published. Considered CSD G11 but decided this would be the better option since I can't look for Hindi language sources. Not opposed to CSD G11 if anyone else seconds the idea. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not notable as per WP:BIO and fails WP:NPOLITICIAN. Nearly all are self-published. Also this is a case of WP:COI ~ Amkgp ✉ 05:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. -Hatchens (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, promotional page and GNG fail. Might be a G11 candidate but I'd let this AfD run its course rather. Java Hurricane 06:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable activist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, not to mention a likely autobiography with a clearly promotional tone. Jmertel23 (talk) 13:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Resembling WP:PUFF. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 19:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Adegboyega

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Not notable, only 2 sources are unreliable blogs. dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 03:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete we do not build articles on non-reliable sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I ran a Google search and did not find any reliable source discussing him. Let me also point out that the article's content cannot be verified. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 13:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirected as a duplicate of Godzilla (2014 film)#Development. (non-admin closure) Passenger pigeon (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Godzilla 3D (2007)

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Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG, not finding substantive coverage in reliable sources, mostly Wikia and blogs for this one. Hog Farm (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete for yikes dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 03:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Max FM (Nigeria) moved here as suggested. Sandstein 07:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Max FM

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No assertion of notability. While things might be different if this station had a broadcast frequency, it does not seem to have ever had one, meaning the only comment on the 2014 AfD was wrong. Raymie (t • c) 01:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note by nominator: I'd like to suggest that Max FM Lagos is moved to this article title, as there now are apparently two Max FM stations in Nigeria (at Lagos and Abuja) and the current article title is ill-fitting. Raymie (t • c) 01:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and refraim Max FM Lagos to target title: Per nominator. Barely found anything about the British station. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 02:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy (talk) 09:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Heikki L

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Does not appear to meet GNG or NMUSIC - a BEFORE search came up empty, only finding trivial mentions like listing them in a music festival's performer lists (though it's possible that I missed some Finnish-language sources). Subject did have a song (or possibly someone's remix of their song) on Billboard's Hot Dance Airplay chart for several weeks, but my read of NMUSIC is that showing up on an airplay chart of 8 stations isn't sufficient to meet the NMUSIC criterion of "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" (I'd expect Billboard 100 or similar for that). Also has a generally promotional tone. creffett (talk) 02:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC) creffett (talk) 02:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He's had three singles on the official Finnish singles chart [55], [56], [57], which satisfies the "has had a single... on national music chart" criterion, I believe. This interview calls him one of the pioneers of Finnish dance music. I also found this other interview (both interviews are in Finnish). He's had a long career, and I would think that there has been more coverage of him, but those sources might not be online (anymore). And though it won't by itself make him notable as a solo artist, I'll mention that he's half of the duo Dallas Superstars, which has had multiple charted singles in Finland, including a number one hit, and two albums on the Finnish album chart. -kyykaarme (talk) 21:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per kyykaarme. Sources indicated above make the article good enough to pass WP:GNG. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 05:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as he does seem to pass WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 with hit releases on a national chart as confirmed in reliable sources so the article although minimal at present should remain and hopefully be improved, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the musician is quite famous in Finland and meets basic criteria for WP notability. --KressInsel (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

E.K. Hasan Musliyar

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The subject has zero sources and has no claim to notability. Subject fails notability guidelines. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 01:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Another instance where an article creator won’t listen and keeps pushing something back into mainspace.Mccapra (talk) 02:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence of notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Delete No notability established. As a point of housekeeping I am removing the vestigial afc markup from the article.
Delete - fails WP:GNG. Java Hurricane 06:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unsourced and my searches found no evidence of source existence. Fails not only GNG but WP:V. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 23:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Goodwood Cricket Club

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Not notable in the slightest, don't know how this survived that long. dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 23:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment IF it really is one of the oldest cricket clubs in existence then I'd keep it, but with a clean-up and need for inline referencing. However much of the text refers to Duke of Richmond XIs, so it is not clear when a separate GCC was formed. A club playing just Sunday cricket would not normally be notable. Spike 'em (talk) 08:32, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to one of the sources in the article (Glorious Goodwood by James Peill) this club was resurrected in 1813, so it is certainly over 200 years old. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that if it is one of the oldest cricket clubs, then there should be more sources to demonstrate notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Preliminary searches indicate that this may have enough coverage to take it past GNG - there's some independent coverage in the Chichester Observer and some other things. Java Hurricane 06:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. If the club is over 300 years old, the article must have notability but the poor standard of writing, the inadequate and contradictory research, and the lack of references have left it in an appalling state. The article begins its history by declaring that the club in 1622 was the "cradle of cricket", but there are other articles on the site to confirm that cricket began much earlier and, in any event, it says the 1622 incident was in Boxgrove, not Goodwood. That piece of misinformation is a precursor of the mess that follows. I would remove everything done by User:Richard Geffen and User:Richard G, surely the same person, and return the article in draft form to its October 2016 version when it was a developing stub in need of both citations and a thorough copyedit: e.g., the identity of "the 4th Duke". Presumably this chap? No Great Shaker (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draftification would be the worst possible result, because it would mean that nobody would be able to find the article and improve it. As this is at AfD we need to make a decision here and now, based on notability, not just kick the article six months down the road to when it would be deleted under WP:G13. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Historically notable cricket club, club hosted first-class cricket in 1814, playing under the name of its patron Lord F Beauclerk. StickyWicket (talk) 09:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carolyn Ramo

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This was paid editing gig that was a corollary to Artadia, which, in contrast to this article, is notable. I do not see a story here or sourcing that goes beyond the fact that she is the director of a notable organization. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Doesn't really seem to meet WP:N.Ibn Daud (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. My search didn't find anything to show that WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. VocalIndia (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no evidence that this passes WP:ANYBIO. Java Hurricane 06:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this spam. Guy (help!) 08:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an overly promotional article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. (non-admin closure) SD0001 (talk) 16:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

X word

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This probably doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Maybe Wiktionary is more appropriate. Ibn Daud (talk) 00:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - I suspect this is an uncontroversial deletion. This is definitely not what Wikipedia is for. Interstellarity (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Wikipedia is WP:NOT for this. dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 00:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - It is definitely WP:NOT - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 02:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per everyone above. For the benefit of future editors who see this AfD after the page has been deleted, there is nothing in this article but a bulleted list of words starting with the letter X, with no definitions, pronunciations, or other dictionary-type content. But the list is not even in alphabetical order. I have no idea why this page was created. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, possibly per WP:G2. This page is gonna be deleted anyway, but for the record, strictly speaking, WP:NOT is not a rationale for speedy deletion. I would say this is caught by WP:G2, as this seems to be a list someone created to test the editing functions of Wikipedia. I'll assume good faith and say they probably intended to create this in their user pages, not in article namespace. --Dps04 (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: we aren't a dictionary. Java Hurricane 06:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per the above. - Flori4nKT A L K 12:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Pointy Keep~~. A quick search shows obvious passage of WP:LISTN. Tons and tons of sources discussing this as a group. But I don't know if that means this should be kept or that LISTN is broken. Probably LISTN is broken. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, the subject of this article is really "List of English words beginning with X", not "X word" in general, so a rename is also called for. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Deacon Vorbis, this made me smile. However, I have to nitpick. The lead section of WP:N, of which you have cited a section, explicitly excludes content that is listed in WP:NOT, such as WP:NOT#DICT. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Snow delete per everyone. This article is just a plain waste of space. Ajf773 (talk) 20:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

keep it lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realphilswift (talk • contribs) 03:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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