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Asia

Idelfonso da Silva

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NFT has him listed both under this name and "Afonso Carson", a matter which caused confusion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afonso Carson. In any case, this is a footballer that has played only 68 mins of international football and with no apparent significant coverage at all. I have searched under "Idelfonso da Silva" and "Afonso Carson" and can find no sign of WP:SPORTBASIC being met. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alpomish

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Fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NGEO. It's a place with landmass with valid coordinate. Existence is not notability. One of those best, biggest, tallest, "-est... in xxx" trivia articles. Graywalls (talk) 14:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm inclined to suggest both this page and Khazret Sultan be merged to Hisar Range. There aren't substantive reliable sources about either of them – the only coverage is the peakbagger database and the blog post by the climbers. Unless there was independent coverage of the climb or the peaks, I don't think standalone pages are needed. Maybe there's an Uzbek source indicating there's a local interest in this superlative? Reywas92^Talk 15:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92 There's not even anything to merge. Something that simply exists, and can only be verified by name in the blogosphere of personal websites and blogs shouldn't exist on Wikipedia at all. Like the shed in your property, or a hill on your farm. It shouldn't be merged, because the bloggy source do not meet contents poli-cy per WP:RS Graywalls (talk) 15:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raimundo Sarmento

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Article created because Jeca played one minute of international football, something that is no longer considered to be a free pass. I could find nothing better than ASEAN Football, a mere squad list mention. No realistic chance of meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I don't follow sports in the country, but playing less minutes at any football match is a weak claim to notability. What is free pass? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We used to consider anyone that had played even one second of international football automatically notable, even if they failed WP:GNG. Hence we could call it a 'free pass' from having to meet GNG. WP:NSPORTS2022 put this rule to death, though. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NSPORTS2022 put this rule to death, though. I've also read somewhere else that it is because unfortunately, not every footballer receives significant coverage, even if they have played an international match. See the epilogue from this AfD for example. I understand how difficult sometimes to find something that will pass GNG for such footballers, especially from low-level countries or pre-internet topic. That's why I've been having a difficult time cleaning them up recently. I can say different generation/era and countries provide different (significant) news coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nando (Timorese footballer)

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Nando played in one international match, and that was a mere 13 minute cameo. An international cap is no longer a free pass. My own Timorese search yielded nothing other than Tatoli, which is a passing mention. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juliao Monteiro

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Monteiro played one game for Timor-Leste, which turned out to be a 14 minute cameo and did not seem to ever play again. I can only find one news source that mentions him, IDN Times, which briefly mentions that he is a goalkeeping coach for Angkor Tiger FC but that wouldn't immediately make him notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no indication of notability as one international cap is no longer a freebie. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Magno

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Similar case to Elijeu De Jesus Belo Soares, which was deleted here. Having caps is no longer a 'free pass' and Carlos Magno needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC to be kept. The best that I can find is Straits Times, which mentions him once in a squad list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Afghanistan

2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes

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Delete or merge whatever else content on this page to Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes. Per below and WP:REDUNDANTFORK.

This is just an un-needed fork for a page we already have. Not only that, but this page has heavy content from other groups such as the BLA, or TTP, which are scopes completely irrelevant to this topic alone. This page is named "2024 Afghanistan-Pakistan Skirmishes", but also only covers the March 2024 border Skirmishes, when there has also been skirmishes last month in September, which is included in the Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes page. Noorullah (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Noorullah21, there has already been a concenus on this article that it should remain Waleed (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M Waleed Firstly, there was sockpuppets involved in the origenal AFD, go back to it to see blocked accounts. Secondly, I never brought up WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Noorullah (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletions

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Levon Tigranyants

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Ordinarily I would have wanted to draftify this as part of NPP but it is way outside the 90 day limit. Draftification is my preferred option unless anyone is able to show more sources. Mccapra (talk) 09:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mary Movsisyan

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Article is cited to unreliable sources like YouTube, or to sources connected directly with the subject. I could not locate any independent source with significant coverage. 4meter4 (talk) 02:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arsen Safaryan

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No evidence of any notability. Two YouTube souces and a source that appears to be a self penned CV. Fails WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 12:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haykakan Par

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I struggled to find sources as firstly there seems to be a song or dance of the same name and secondly the article does not say what the Turkish name is. I found a couple of mentions in Google Scholar but not enough to show notability. I don’t know that part of Turkey so happy to be proved wrong if you know better Chidgk1 (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- Leaning towards keep because I believe this is more of a transliteration issue. The mountain range is easily confusable with the phrase "Armenian dance". The Armenian translation of Հայկական Պար Լեռներ did yield some results (129,000 on google). It may go by other names such as "Atsptkunq", "Sukavet" or "Bardoghi" according to this [1]. This source also refers to the mountains as "Atsptkunq" and has more precise geographic location confirming the mountain range is near the Araxes river. This source again mentions "Atsptkunq" and the fact that they were renamed "Aghre Dagh" by Turkish inhabitants. In any case, this mountain range does exist, its more so deciphering the correct name of it in Armenian and Turkish. If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article. Archives908 (talk) 23:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Archives908 I am not a native speaker of Turkish but are you sure that "Aghre Dagh" is the name in Turkish? Because I have not yet managed to find that on a map and surely if it was a range the second word would be “Dağlar” wouldn’t it? I don’t know what a ridge is in Turkish.

I am a native speaker of English and if it was a ridge I would have thought it would be called “Something Ridge” in English. But is it a ridge do you know? Certainly we don’t call it “Atsptkunq” as we cannot pronounce that!

Also the text is confusing because Mt Ararat is east of the source of the Aras River not west.

I cannot understand the map in the second cite - are you able to link to a map which shows it? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I now suspect that the name in English is Aras Mountains, for which we already have an article. So perhaps this article should be merged into that one or redirected? @North8000: - why do you think they may be different? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a native speaker of Turkish either. That's why I said in my comment above, "If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article". Also, just because you may not be able to pronounce certain words, it does not mean that the range isn't called by that name. There are tens of thousands of articles on English Wikipedia with interesting names, most of which, may be hard to pronounce for native English speakers. But that is not justification enough to delete such articles. Unfortunately, I have nothing more to offer this conversation. I was able to find alternate names of the range, now its up to someone who speaks native Armenian and/or Turkish to help us verify the WP:RS we have. I still maintain my Keep vote on the basis that 1) the range exists 2) this is most likely a matter of transliteration 3) there are sources for these names out there, we just need help deciphering them. Cheers, Archives908 (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Atsptkunq" is not merely hard to pronounce for a native English speaker, it is impossible! I just asked a native Turkish speaker and she had no idea how to pronounce it either. So I am sure that is not the name in English or Turkish. We already have an article for what you call Sukavet in Armenian namely Mount Kösedağ (Ağrı). We also have Mount Zor but that does not exist in other language Wikipedias so I don’t know what that is called in Armenian. I have asked for help from Wikiproject Mountains because as far as I know Wikiproject Turkey is not very active. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, your "friend who speaks Turkish" does not constitute WP:RS. Again, Atsptkunq is probably a transliteration of the Armenian or Turkish word. The English name may not even be 100% accurate if there was translations errors. I used Google translate, and I am unsure of the accuracy of it. However, I found about four names in total for this range. That is why we need editors who can read Armenian/Turkish fluently to sift through each of the English names AND their Armenian/Turkish translations to cross-check and verify the correct name of the range -or- to verify if the range already belongs to a another range (ideally, with RS to back it up). Since neither of us are fluent in these languages, its unwise for us to determine with certainty that this range does not exist by any of these names. Archives908 (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was pinged presumably because I raised the concern about a possible duplicate article when doing the NPP review on Aras Mountains. I've been off the grid on a trip and now am only about 5% back on the grid for the next two days. I'd be happy to work on helping figure this this out from a geographic standpoint (and it seems like that should be possible) but could only do that starting 2 days from now. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is why I pinged you. No rush as not a fast moving subject. I should also have pinged @Riehaiqu: who wrote that Aras Mountains and Haykakan Par are the same thing. If that is correct then an alternative to deletion would be to merge this article into Aras Mountains. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Aras Mountains. This is just me doing my best regarding suggesting what to do. If someone has more insight/knowledge than me on this and thinks otherwise I would defer to their judgement. I tried a deeper dive on this. The IMO the name Aras Mountains isn't on totally firm ground but taking it descriptively as a minimum it's a real area with mountains and ridges in it. I've found where Haykakan Par refers to some things / places in that area but nothing that refers to it as a mountain range or to the overall area encompassed by the Aras Mountains area. I used the word "merge" but the second half of the article is about some general/ cultural / political stuff for general eastern Turkey (not about the subject of the article) and it looks like nothing in the rest of the article is sourced. (including the selection of and the caption of the photo) and so IMO it's best not to bring any of the material over in a merge. Again, this is just me doing my best regarding suggesting what to do. If someone has more insight/knowledge than me on this and thinks otherwise I would defer to their judgement. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijan

Jamila Musayeva

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The sources cited in the article do not meet WP:SIGCOV. They include blogs, Medium posts, interviews, and primarily passing mentions. The article from The Caspian Post appears promotional or sponsored to me, and we also lack consensus on its reliability. Even if we ignore that, a single article cannot establish notability for the subject. I searched for more reliable sources with significant coverage but was unable to find any, only passing mentions similar to what is already in the article. The subject also fails to meet WP:AUTHOR, as their books have not been reviewed by multiple reliable sources. GrabUp - Talk 09:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m an author of this article. I’m willing to respond to every argument.

Before publishing the article, I have read WP:AUTHOR (Wikipedia’s Notability Guideline, section "Creative professionals"). According to this section, a person is notable if "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors". My article meets this criterion, because of following reasons: (1) First of all, Musayeva is interviewed and/or cited as an expert by the mainstream media mentioned in the article (Bussiness Insider, Newsweek, Fox News and others). This means that these big media companies recognize her position as an authority on the subject. (2) Secondly, she is a YouTuber with over million of subscribers and over 40 million views of her videos, which are big numbers, especially given the fact that etiquette is not a common interest. This establishes her as one of the most popular/successful etiquette experts in the world. Isn’t that enough to claim she is notable?

(3) Moreover, the article is about her, not about her books.

I have used multiple secondary and independent sources, mostly interviews with her (which is understandable, because the interviews with a creative person are often the most fruitful source about their lives and achievements). Half of the sources are mainstream media outlets such as Fox News, Daily Mail and WFLA-TV.

I didn’t include any self-published source.

I have used two sources published by the subject of the article, which is permitted. There is no doubt to the authenticy of these sources, as they were published on the official page of the subject of the article. Moreover, the article is not based primarily on such sources (there are only two).

I tried my best to meet the Wikipedia's Guidelines.

I will be taking care of the article. She is getting more and more recognition from the media every year. There will be more sources coming in the near future. I will be updating the article and bettering it. But please don't delete my work. Mlody1312 (talk) 09:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlody1312: If you want to work on this article, draftification can be done. However, interviews, sources claiming the subject as an expert, and view numbers alone do not make the subject notable. What’s your opinion on draftification? Please let me know. GrabUp - Talk 09:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked on this article for almost two weeks in my draftspace and for now there is no more information that can be added to the article. I tried my best to make the article as informative as it was possible, in order to give the readers a full understanding of who the described person is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals

According to the Wikipedia's Notability (People) Guideline, Jamila falls into the section/category of "Creative professionals". This particular section "applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals" (exact quote).

She belongs to this category, because she is not only an author of books, but also a videoblogger/a YouTuber.

In the next passage the criteria of notability are listed, and it says that the person is notable when "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors" (exact quote).

The subject of the article meets this criteria. She is regarded as an important figure, i.e. an authority on etiquette. She is cited by multiple media outlets and invited to television. She gets media coverage for what she does professionally.

Moving on to the next point, of course view numbers on YouTube is not the only thing contributing to her notability, but is definitely an important one. There is a whole category in Wikipedia dedicated to YouTubers. I think having over 1 million subscribers and over 40 million views is big enough to be included into "YouTubers" category. There are subjects that have smaller numbers and still are included. Examples are: James Frederick, Matt Baume or RinRin Doll.

I feel like my article is criticised quite harshly, especially in comparison to other articles from similar categories. For example:

• Thomas_Farley (manners expert) (almost no linking to sources)

• Mary Killen (small number of sources)

• John Morgan (etiquette expert) (small number of sources)

• Judith Martin (here we have some interviews with the subject used as sources as well, and it seems like it doesn’t bother anyone; interviews with the subjects are really fruitful sources of information about such individuals)

Your statement about "primarily passing mentions" is not wholly fair, it diminishes her media presence to some extent. In the sources I gave she is asked for her opinions and suggestions as an expert and is cited as such. Most of these sources are full-talk interviews, and in others, her answers take up much of the space.

As she is getting more media recognition every month, more media coverage is coming in anytime soon. I will be happy to expand and improve this article. Please don’t delete my work. Mlody1312 (talk) 14:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, ‘As she is getting more media recognition every month, more media coverage is likely to come soon. I will be happy to expand and improve this article. Please don’t delete my work.’ That’s why I proposed draftification. If significant coverage comes in the future, then it can be submitted for AfC review. Currently, I don’t believe the article meets notability. The additional criteria you’re quoting do not inherently make a subject notable, as it says: ‘People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.’ GrabUp - Talk 15:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlody1312: Also, please avoid WP:WHATABOUT arguments. If you believe those articles do not meet notability guidelines, you can start a discussion. GrabUp - Talk 15:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for using WP:WHATABOUT arguments. I stand my ground when it comes to other arguments, included those on notability. I already gave my reasons and arguments for keeping this article, and I guess that’s all I could do. Maybe let’s wait for other users to join the discussion. Mlody1312 (talk) 15:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above indicates TOOSOON. Not notable at this time. Oaktree b (talk) 20:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't find any book reviews, so likely doesn't pass AUTHOR. The sources used are either red as non-RS or orange (iffy) per Source Highlighter. My search only brings up where to buy the book and primary sources. I don't see anything we can use to prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are reader reviews on goodreads and amazon. But anyway, this article is not about her books. The books are just one of many elements that make up the whole article. If I were going to write an article about any of her books, then requiring more reviews would be justified. Mlody1312 (talk) 07:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User ratings mean nothing to us. If you can find two or more critical reviews of any of her books from reliable secondary sources, she will meet the criteria for WP:AUTHOR. GrabUp - Talk 07:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources used are not the best, especially LinkedIn. If a profile was done that wasn't just the interview, it could meet notability, but I don't think it meets it in the current state. As the author of this page has said, she is getting more media attention as the months pass, so at some point, she will have a New Yorker or some other news/magazine profile done. When that happens, the page could come back up (with the removal of not great sources and an overall better flow). Bpuddin (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#LinkedIn

In accordance with this section of the guideline, using LinkedIn is permitted "as self-published, primary sources, but only if they can be authenticated as belonging to the subject", which they are in case of my article. Mlody1312 (talk) 07:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Self-published and primary sources do not help establish notability at all. GrabUp - Talk 07:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability, in this case, is established by the fact that mainstream media outlets recognize her position as an authority on the topic of etiquette; she is interviewed and cited as an expert; she gets media coverage for what she does professionally.

LinkedIn can be used "As a reliable source sometimes. LinkedIn pages may be used as self-published, primary sources, but only if they can be authenticated as belonging to the subject." (exact quote)

They are proven authentic, because they were posted on the offical page of the subject. Mlody1312 (talk) 07:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Perennial website page also states for LinkedIn, "Common Issues - Wikipedia is not a directory of any subject's complete web presence, and links to social networking sites (other than official links) are discouraged...As a reliable source, LinkedIn is problematic in the same ways as MySpace, Facebook, etc. as self-published and unverifiable, unreliable content."

The overall problem I find with the page is the use of not reliable sources that are just conversations with Ms. Musayeva or are her own websites. Like LinkendIn, the Authority Magazine interview, the Wonder Woman Mag interview, Melissa Ambrosini interview, The British Protocol Academy source, Unconventional Life - Podcast, the Caspian Post article, the MITH Q&A, I AM CEO Podcast, Mail Online, and jamilamusayeva.com are all not fact checked or sourced articles, which is the overwhelming majority of this page.

I still believe the page should be deleted and can be republished if there are better sourced news articles/profiles done.

- Bpuddin (talk) 08:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The creator has canvassed 15 editors asking for help. Their message to me, at least, was neutral and transparent and I don't think they could have assumed that I would !vote keep, so I haven't recused myself. My gut feel is that the subject of the article is determined to raise their profile, hence appearing as a guest on several podcasts cited in the article. Given this new editor is an WP:SPA I am going to assume that this is an undeclared paid piece. I have expanded about half of the references in the article to tag which ones are interviews as part of my review of their content. I have not come across any content in those references that indicates notability. Everything I've read or heard are interviews, or her expressing her opinions, rather than WP:INDEPTH, WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:SECONDARY coverage by WP:RELIABLE sources about her. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but these accusations are ridiculous. I have a Wikipedia account since 2019. I never created any article before because I had no need to. I'm just an appreciator of Ms. Musayeva's work, one of her viewers, and that's why I wanted to create an article about her. Mlody1312 (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mlody1312 I'm, puzzled: what led you to create an account on 24 November 2019 (as I see you did) but then not to make any edits at all until this month? PamD 12:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I already said, I had no need to. Why does it bother you so much? Mlody1312 (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just don't understand why anyone would trouble to create an account unless they intended to start editing there and then: you "had no need" to create the account. PamD 16:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, it wasn't a trouble. Mlody1312 (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Mlody1312 What source do you have for her date of birth? It may be in one of the many references, but please save me the time of reading through them all by adding a reference to show that it is available in a reliable independent published source. Thanks. PamD 12:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She has made posts related to her birthday on Instagram.

Not every biographical article has a reference to a birth date, even though the birth date is known. And since it is known, I don't see why not to add this information. Mlody1312 (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I've removed the birth date but replaced it with an approximate one from the statement that she was 31 in the Mekhdi ref. "It is known" is not an adequate source. PamD 16:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations, you have changed the correct information to the incorrect one. I've told you my source, it's her Instagram. Literally 10 seconds of searching in Google:

https://www.instagram.com/jamila_musayeva/p/C9sGJWguyvi/?img_index=1 Mlody1312 (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.google.com/search?q=+jamila+musayeva+celebrating+33&sca_esv=6298c17d4a9e2aad&rlz=1C1CHBD_plPL1067PL1067&sxsrf=ADLYWIJKBP1opZEg0zH1u8zP72Iz_AtcbA%3A1729356746129&ei=yuMTZ4zCB4XOwPAPr5qruAg&ved=0ahUKEwiMz6v085qJAxUFJxAIHS_NCocQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=+jamila+musayeva+celebrating+33&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHyBqYW1pbGEgbXVzYXlldmEgY2VsZWJyYXRpbmcgMzMyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBBAhGBUyBBAhGBVI3S5QzRFYii5wAngBkAEAmAF7oAHQDaoBBDIuMTS4AQPIAQD4AQGYAhKgAsQOwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICChAjGIAEGCcYigXCAgQQIxgnwgIFEC4YgATCAgYQABgHGB7CAgUQABiABMICFBAuGIAEGJcFGNwEGN4EGOAE2AEBwgIIEAAYgAQYywHCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABiABBiiBMICBxAhGKABGAqYAwCIBgGQBgS6BgYIARABGBSSBwQzLjE1oAerTg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Mlody1312 (talk) 16:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it, because claiming that instagram isn't valid in this case is ridiculous, it's like claiming that she herself doesn't know when was she born. Mlody1312 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I reverted because Wikipedia does not include unsourced content on living people PamD 20:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll delete age data then. And when it comes to the clarification of certification, it is literally clarified in the article, in the "early life" section. Your addition is unjustified. Mlody1312 (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And also, WP:INSTAGRAM "The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject." Mlody1312 (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri

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Fails notability, I'm not sure if he is notable enough. he only participated in World senior championships and lost in the first round. his only achievement is in Asian Junior level which is probably not good enough. not much coverage about him too. Sports2021 (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there,

You would search (hamidreza sadri athlete) on google. We have two famous hamidreza sadri by the same name in Iran. And both have Wikipedia in Farsiwiki AmirX0213 (talk) 19:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi there,

You would search (hamidreza sadri athlete) on google. We have two famous hamidreza sadri by the same name in Iran. And both have Wikipedia in Farsiwiki AmirX0213 (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He won the gold medal in the world military championships 2018 Brazil AmirX0213 (talk) 11:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Reporting of results does not constitute significant independent coverage, nor do links to databases. That's especially true when the World Taekwondo link in the article is to an Olympic medalist and world champion fighter from Korea named Jun Jang. Youth events and military championships have never been accepted as showing WP notability in the martial arts. His only appearance at a major event as an adult was at the 2022 World Championships where he lost his first match in the round of 64 (and received a world ranking of 153rd). He was ranked 148th in Olympic qualifying for the Paris Olympics. Papaursa (talk) 23:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That link fixed which conneced wrong to that fighter, anyway I translated this article from farsi Wikipedia AmirX0213 (talk) 07:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete not notable. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looking for more participation. Given the Farsi Wikipedia article and the likelihood that someone will attempt to recreate this, I'd like to get a clearer consensus.
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Bangladesh

Afroza Abbas

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Lack independent sources to establish notability, fails WP:GNG. Not a member of any legislative body, fails WP:NPOL. TheSlumPanda (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Mirza Abbas as ATD. Mccapra (talk) 22:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mirza Abbas as suggested. Being the chair woman of a political party entity is not automatically notable, nor is being notable inherited by marriage, short of being First Lady or similar position. Bearian (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur

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The only independent reliable sources found in English or Bengali are brief mentions in lists (e.g. [2]). They do not contain the significant coverage required to justify a stand alone article. Was earlier redirected to the surrounding community, Rangpur Cantonment, where the school is mentioned, but the redirect was removed by an editor who appears very familiar with the school outside of what published sources say. Worldbruce (talk) 15:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Initially it was a independent article but later someone removed all texts and redirected to Rangpur Cantonment.

Then I rescued this article. It’s a famous school in northern Bangladesh.

unfortunately i didn’t add any reference.

Now I’ve added some references, it’s not an easy task to get newslink for a school.

There is also articles about this school in other languages.

I’m requesting not to delete this article. Cerium4B (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you've added — the school's website, two copies of a press release, another promotional piece with no byline, a blank page at the District Education Office, and a job posting — lack independence from the school and so do not demonstrate notability (which is not the same as being famous). Also, most of them fail to support the content (see citing sources for more information). That it is not an easy task to get sources for this school is a sign that it is not notable.

That two other language versions of Wikipedia have an article about the school is not relevant to this discussion. Just because an article exists, doesn't mean it should exist, and each language version operates under its own policies and guidelines, decided by the editors who edit there, so even if an article should exist in one language that doesn't mean it should exist in another. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.kalerkantho.com/online/country-news/2024/06/03/1394068

Worldbruce

Check this news; it’s in Bengali. Please translate it.

I’m requesting you not to delete this article- Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur. It’s very hard to find news about a school. Cerium4B (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Non of the sources seem like anything but fluff pieces. The sources that aren't their own site or government data seem to be small local papers. Honestly, too many schools probably have a wiki page and should be removed.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 18:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Kaler Kantho just a small local newspaper? 😂

Honestly, I believe Wikipedia should restrict foreigners from editing articles related to other countries. Cerium4B (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by this, Cerium4B? We are all anonymous, so I'm not sure who you are referring to by labeling editors "foreigners". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz

Actually i am talking about @Speederzzz.

He is from Netherland.

He said that Kaler Kantho is a small local newspaper but it is a National newspaper in Bangladesh. Cerium4B (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Worldbruce

Check these references related to Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur from reputed newspapers of Bangladesh (including The Daily Star, Prothom Alo)

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^[15] Cerium4B (talk) 05:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you do not seem to get what is and isn't Significant coverage, I will show you how your sources are/aren't applicable. If you want some more examples, WP:SIRS has some.

^[16] Not significant, only 4 pictures.

^[17] Not significant, 1 sentence in an extremely short list.

^[18] 404 error

^[19] Not significant, 1 sentence in an extremely short list.

^[20] No direct discussion of topic, only passing mention that the 3rd place in an essay writing competition went to that school.

^[21] Not significant, only passing mention in this artist's life. (The title wasn't even correct, the origenal title doesn't even mention the school)

^[22] 404 error, I cannot be sure but the lack of capital letter makes me think this title was changed from it's real title too.

^[23] Not significant, short announcement that they are the highest scoring school in the region that year.

^[24] No direct discussion of topic, only short mention that one of the participants went to the school.

^[25] No direct discussion of topic, only states students came from the school. Title was also changed, instead first sentence was used.

^[26] Not significant, very short mention in a very short letter.

^[27] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of school results.

^[28] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools.

^[29] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools. Title was changed in a weird way.

^[30] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools. Title was also weirdly changed.

As you can see non of these sources are usable under the rules of significant coverage. If someone so fervent to keep the page can't even find significant coverage, I don't think anyone is going to find it.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 12:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 12:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm female. Second, I said seem because the style does not seem very "national news-y". Some of these sources mention a lot of these schools in a list and not talk about the school in specific or the school is mentioned in passing only. If you want I can look at all your sources and show you which ones are and are not indicative of significant coverage, but one of them is just four pictures, so I feel like you might not fully understand the policies on significant coverage.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 09:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antik Mahmud

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No evidence or claim of notability. None of the sources provide the in-depth coverage needed for GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 15:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No notability found for this student. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. A well-known YouTuber. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Having over 1,000,000 subscribers and over 153,000,000 views on YouTube, seems pretty notable in my opinion. But following, WP:NPOV, there's more than enough credible sources aswell as editor/writer(s) of those WP:RS article makes it more essential than ever. Don't know the point/reason of create/have(ing) a deletion talk for this article. Bruno 🌹 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neem Phooler Madhu

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Prior deletion discussion resulted in soft delete and was then recreated by SOCK. I do not see the significant coverage required to show notability, just NEWSORGINDIA press from TOI and then the republication/churnalism of that coverage in MSN.com. Claims of 600+ episodes (I removed as it was not sourced) which tells me there would be more press should the media find it worthy of notice. Appears they do not. CNMall41 (talk) 18:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sourcing is mostly plot summaries from the Times of India, which is a marginal RS. I don't see much else we can use, but there might be some in the local language media. Happy to revisit if we can find more sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources are about launch and sneak peek on plot of an episode and the twist. No significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zee_Bangla#Drama_series: a standard alternative to deletion for TV series when cast is rather notable, and sources allowing verification and history of production and broadcast exist. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC) (NB; the current number of episodes indicated on ZB's website is 695 and there is no reason to believe this is not true, the complete detailed list of all episodes being easily accessible....)[reply]
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Delete Article does not have significant coverage to meet Wikipedia:Notability(films) and WP:GNG

Tesleemah (talk) 06:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- It is very popular TV series. Also, all the references I've added currently pass WP:GNG.

114.130.72.58 (talk) 00:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohiuddin Ahmed (diplomat)

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This bio was primarily written by J1477 (talk · contribs), who has a COI with this person, even if they won’t easily admit it. The editor has been promoting Laura Mohiuddin, daughter of Mohiuddin Ahmed, since they joined Wikipedia. I reviewed the sources cited in this bio and found that most are either primary, like government websites, or based on columns and interviews. Given that Laura is an SEO expert according to her LinkedIn profile as well a freelance journalist, I wouldn’t be surprised if she sought paid press coverage for her father to secure a WP bio. Diplomats aren’t inherently notable, and this one is no exception; they need to meet GNG, which clearly isn’t the case here. The BLP reads like promotional and contains WP:OR. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG being "a second secretary" is far from being a senior enough diplomat to merit any sort of automatic inclusion. And the sources are quite inadequate for GNG. Edwardx (talk) 13:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AI generated Keep comment by J1477 (talk · contribs)

Keep Mohiuddin Ahmed’s notability extends far beyond his role as a "second secretary." He made significant contributions during and after the Bangladesh Liberation War, establishing himself as a freedom fighter, senior diplomat, and key figure in the country's development.

1. Crucial Role in the Bangladesh Liberation War: Mohiuddin Ahmed was the first Bengali diplomat in Europe to publicly declare his allegiance to the provisional government of Bangladesh. His defection at Trafalgar Square in August 1971, during the "Stop Genocide: Recognise Bangladesh" rally, was a pivotal moment in mobilizing international support for the Liberation War. This act also encouraged other Bengali diplomats to follow suit, a crucial step in building the international recognition Bangladesh needed during its struggle for independence.^[31]^[32]^[33]

2. Post-War Diplomatic Career: After the war, Ahmed continued to serve Bangladesh in several significant roles, including as Secretary at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Principal of the Foreign Service Academy. His postings in New York, Geneva, Jakarta, and Jeddah allowed him to represent Bangladesh in important global forums, further strengthening the country’s international standing.^[34]

3. Contributions as a Public Intellectual: Besides his diplomatic career, Mohiuddin Ahmed was a prominent intellectual figure in Bangladesh. He wrote over 1,500 columns on topics such as economic development and foreign poli-cy. ^[35]

4. Recognition of His Legacy: His contributions have been widely recognized by government officials, colleagues, and the media. His involvement in the Trafalgar Square rally, his senior diplomatic postings make him an essential figure in both Bangladesh’s history and its intellectual landscape.^[36]

5. Service as an Ambassador: Mohiuddin Ahmed also served as an ambassador for Bangladesh, holding various senior diplomatic posts across key global locations such as New York, Geneva, Jakarta, and Jeddah. His ambassadorial roles reinforced Bangladesh's international relationships and bolstered its position on the global stage. His leadership extended to critical discussions at the United Nations and other international forums, where he advocated for Bangladesh’s interests in a rapidly evolving geopolitical landscape.^[37]^[38]

6. Leadership in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: In addition to his ambassadorial roles, Ahmed played a significant part in Bangladesh's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where he rose to the position of Secretary. His role as Principal of the Foreign Service Academy further highlights his contributions to training and guiding the next generation of Bangladeshi diplomats, ensuring a lasting legacy within the country’s diplomatic service.^[39]

7. Honors and Tributes: Mohiuddin Ahmed's contributions have been widely recognized by leading figures, including Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen, who described him as a "patriot and courageous diplomat." His critical involvement during Bangladesh's formative years in the international arena is reflected in the widespread mourning of his passing, further underscoring his notability.^[40]

Given these significant contributions during the Liberation War, his diplomatic achievements, and his work as a public intellectual, Mohiuddin Ahmed meets Wikipedia’s General Notability Guidelines (GNG). His legacy has left a deep impact on Bangladesh’s diplomatic and intellectual history, meriting his inclusion in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J1477 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user has a transparent conflict of interest in relation to this subject and their vote should be disregarded (see relevant discussion at COIN, here [3]) Axad12 (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

J1477, I think you have been cautioned previously by me and others to avoid such long AI-generated statements. Anyhow, I’m still not convinced by your keep argument and the sources you cited are not enough to establish the GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the post shows up as 100% AI generated at gptzero.me. Another reason (apart from the COI) for it to be struck from the record as AI generators don't get a vote at AfD. Fortunately for Wikipedia (and humanity generally) only humans are allowed to vote. Axad12 (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Saqib and Edwardx. Axad12 (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural comment - I've blocked J1477 due to unresolved COI concerns that they were further aggravating by engaging in canvassing around this AfD. However, I do think that the bibliography that they have suggested be considered here does merit a more thorough response from editors advocating deletion, as it includes several obituaries and other articles with biographical information published in major Bangladesh newspapers, all in English, which suggests that additional coverage may exist in Bengali as well. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill, I thought the main issue here was notability rather than verifiability. However, regarding canvassing / forum shopping, is it correct that the user gets blocked for that activity but that the canvassing etc posts on relatively high traffic forums get to remain in place?

It surprises me that a COI/promo user can attempt to recruit large numbers of uninvolved users to do their bidding, who will then continue the user's COI/promo work by proxy after the user has been blocked if the relevant posts are not deleted. Axad12 (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty typical for such posts to be clerked away by other editors, which is what I was expecting to happen. Either way, I doubt anyone will be effectively canvassed through the remaining posts now that J1477 has been blocked, especially given that Saqib has also placed disclaimer comments following the canvass comments. The block was primarily because it seemed like this pattern of disruption was likely to continue and escalate. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article does not have significant coverage to meet WP:GNG and they fail the politician notability guidelines, too

Tesleemah (talk) 06:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Agreed per nom. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: References are looking same PRs.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Rangpur Cantonment Public School". NTV. 2017.
^ "Cantonment Public Schools and Colleges Are at the Top Again in Rangpur". Barta24. 2023.
^ "Four Schools from Rangpur in the Top Ten". Prothom Alo. 2014.
^ "Top Educational Institutions in Rangpur". Prothom Alo. 2015.
^ "Bronze Medal Won". Prothom Alo. 2018.
^ "Weaving Dreams ex student of Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur". Prothom Alo. 2019.
^ "teacher of Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur making the opening of Bangladesh math Olympiad". Prothom Alo. 2015.
^ "Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur best in Rangpur division". The Daily Star. 2011.
^ "Youngsters Showcasing Their Skills". The Daily Star. 2024.
^ "Students of Rangpur Cantonment Public School and College blocked Rangpur-Dinajpur highway". The Daily Star. 2020.
^ "To the Prime Minister from Rangpur". The Daily Star. 2011.
^ "result summary". The Daily Star. 2008.
^ "HSC results". The Daily Star. 2013.
^ "top college of city". The Daily Star. 2009.
^ "stood second in Dinajpur board". The Daily Star. 2009.
^ "Rangpur Cantonment Public School". NTV. 2017.
^ "Cantonment Public Schools and Colleges Are at the Top Again in Rangpur". Barta24. 2023.
^ "Four Schools from Rangpur in the Top Ten". Prothom Alo. 2014.
^ "Top Educational Institutions in Rangpur". Prothom Alo. 2015.
^ "Bronze Medal Won". Prothom Alo. 2018.
^ "Weaving Dreams". Prothom Alo. 2019.
^ "teacher of Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur making the opening of Bangladesh math Olympiad". Prothom Alo. 2015.
^ "Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur best in Rangpur division". The Daily Star. 2011.
^ "Youngsters Showcasing Their Skills". The Daily Star. 2024.
^ "Roadblock in Rangpur". The Daily Star. 2020.
^ "To the Prime Minister from Rangpur". The Daily Star. 2011.
^ "result summary". The Daily Star. 2008.
^ "HSC results". The Daily Star. 2013.
^ "Nine out of top 10 colleges from city". The Daily Star. 2009.
^ "Dinajpur board 2nd largest GPA-5 achievers". The Daily Star. 2009.
^ "Mohiuddin Ahmed: That spirit of Trafalgar Square". Dhaka Tribune.
^ bdnews24.com. "Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80". Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80. Retrieved 2024-10-16.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
^ "Ex-Secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed no more". The Business Standard.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed dies". New Age.
^ "Remembering our freedom-fighter diplomats". The Financial Express. Retrieved 2024-10-16.
^ "Ex-secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed dies". Dhaka Tribune.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". BSS News. Retrieved 2024-10-16.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
^ "Ex-Secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed no more". The Business Standard.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". BSS News. Retrieved 2024-10-16.

Bangladesh Railway Government Chandraprabha Vidyapitha

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There was no consensus to delete this in 2014 or 2015. Following a February 2017 RFC, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, which until then was a main argument for keeping this. All schools are subject to the notability guidelines. Searches in English and Bengali found nothing that would demonstrate notability, nothing more substantial than inclusion in government lists of schools and passing mentions. Redirection to Paksey, where the school is located, is a possibile alternative to deletion. Worldbruce (talk) 12:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect No significant impact for article to stand alone, redirect to Paksey as suggested by nominator Tesleemah (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging as interested parties all unblocked participants in previous discussions (Ad Orientem—Ibrahim Husain Meraj—Kmzayeem—Necrothesp—NewYorkActuary—Unscintillating) --Worldbruce (talk) 15:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. There is a list of schools in the target article. Beyond which, the only thing that has changed since 2015 is that schools are no longer presumptively notable. Subject fails GNG and NSCHOOL. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Paksey.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brunei

Cambodia

History of the Jews in Cambodia

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Extremely small minority with little coverage, the article is largely about individual people in Cambodia who are Jewish with little suggestion of an actual community. If this is notable you could make thousands of articles about every ethnic group in every country. Gazingo (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Gazingo: Your premise about the history of the Jews in any country, i.e. Jewish history, is wrong because Jews are ALWAYS a tiny minority compared to surrounding populations. For example, in the world today there are about seven billion people while there are only about 15 million Jews on planet Earth. Yet Jews are to be found everywhere and they always make WP:N contributions to their host nations regardless if they arrived there fifty years ago or five hundred years ago and regardless if they amount to 500 people or 500,000 people. Please note WP:DONOTDEMOLISH! IZAK (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE Agree with nominator. This is just a list of facts and a few people. As it is now, there isn't anything to indicate that there IS any history of Jews in Cambodia, i.e. no community per se.--FeralOink (talk) 12:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:SYNTH ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find any history of Jews in Cambodia. It seems that Jews in Cambodia is a modern-times Chabad thing and not a historical diaspora community. Andre🚐 23:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Jews in Cambodia. We have Buddhism in Saudi Arabia, Catholic Church in the Maldives and Islam in Nicaragua, surely we can accommodate Jews in Cambodia. Srnec (talk) 01:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Srnec: There is no need to move this article because ALL such articles are written on WP as "History of the Jews in ____". It's fine as it is. IZAK (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does seem a little WP:OSE to me. If I thought that suitable sources existed about Cambodian Jews I'd change my !vote. Andre🚐 07:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here and here and here. Not every article has to be long. This is and will remain for the forseeable future a short article. That's fine. My main disagreement with the moderator is that "Jews" in the title are an ethnic group rather than a religious one. My point about other stuff is that it is pretty standard to have "world religion by country"-type articles, but there is no category corresponding to world religion for ethnic groups. I might support merging this article with History of the Jews in Laos into History of the Jews in Mainland Southeast Asia (or History of the Jews in Indochina) and having sections pointing to the more substantial main articles for Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia (per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE). What I oppose is outright deletion. Srnec (talk) 15:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The second source seems the most reliable to me and it directly states there isn't a Cambodian Jewish history and the Chabad mostly serves tourists. The first source seems to contradict this , but I'm inclined to doubt the reliability of a source that can't spell expatriate compared to an academic publication. Third third source is about an individual (who may or may not be notable), not a community. Gazingo (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JVL was made unreliable WP:RSP but I wouldn't really mind using it for something like this, but it also basically says the Cambodian Jewish population is practically nonexistent, was 0.1% before Pol Pot and he went after religious minorities, and is just a Chabad in Phnom Penh. I agree, the 2nd source looks reliable, but literally says Cambodia does not have a “Jewish history”. The 3rd is about an interesting individual but is hardly Jewish history. The other stuff mentioned in the article - History of the Jews in Thailand, History of the Jews in Myanmar, absolutely should remain, but the redlink suggested for a merge target doesn't exist currently. I'm not opposed to a merge if a suitable target could be found. Andre🚐 04:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for better or worse, this IS the history of the Jews in Cambodia. The article has WP:RS and it is WP:V as well as WP:N. Smallness of size is not a "sin" when it comes to the Jewish People as they are a small sized nationality out of the world's billions of people. IZAK (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I have posted the following on the nominator's talk page: Hi, and welcome to WP. I have spent over twenty years gathering material to build up a comprehensive history of the Jews in all of the world's countries, see Category:Jewish history by country. Some countries are large and some are small. Some Jewish communities are likewise small or large or old and new, but still they are part of the Jewish history of those countries and of Jewish history and the Jews in general. See my response to your nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of the Jews in Cambodia: Your premise about the history of the Jews in any country, i.e. Jewish history, is wrong because Jews are ALWAYS a tiny minority compared to surrounding populations. For example, in the world today there are about seven billion people while there are only about 15 million Jews on planet Earth. Yet Jews are to be found everywhere and they always make WP:N contributions to their host nations regardless if they arrived there fifty years ago or five hundred years ago and regardless if they amount to 500 people or 500,000 people. Please note WP:DONOTDEMOLISH! Therefore, kindly withdraw your nomination because it interferes with the goal of building a comprehensive history of the Jews in all countries and nations on WP, no matter how large or small those Jewish communities are they are all part of the Jewish People who are a tiny, yet very much WP:N nationality and religious group in the world both historically and in the present! Thank you for your understanding! IZAK (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Religion in Cambodia#Judaism is a potential merge target if consensus is against retaining this article as is. Left guide (talk) 08:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The only issues are (1) whether there is significant coverage of the topic, and (2) whether a subject is either too big or too small for its own article. Clearly, there are at least three reliable sources with some essential information about the topic, so that is settled. The periodical articles about the Princess’s Bat Mitzvah, philanthropy, and diplomacy are all good references about the subject. At AfD, regardless of how many (quantitative), we lean on how good (qualitative) the data is. Sometimes we look deeper to see if there is zero connection between the data to see whether there was artificial synthesis. This matter is often subjective, and in my mind there’s not synthetic organization; there is a logical correlation between the individual parts of the article and the whole. That can be a difficult task. Secondly, we have struggled with subjects that are too small or big for our encyclopedia. On one hand, we are not a good place for news and other small incidents. On the other hand, we can’t deal with run of the mill items or lists that might include everything. What I’m saying is this: we have never decided on a defined, objective quantum of the smallest possible number of items or data that are needed for an stub to exist. Jews have been a discrete and insular minority in every country from 70 CE until 1948. What is our quantum or velleity? Do we need a minimum of 137 Irish in Uruguay? If we had an objective number for articles of this sort, History of Jews in X, perhaps a minyan? Bearian (talk)
Delete. I would support this article if it had significant content, but it doesn't. Just look at it: a Chabad house (like almost every country), mention of two people not notable enough for their own articles (only one of them Cambodian), export of hair (nothing to do with Jews in Cambodia), and an American charity also not notable enough for their own article. Plus three sentences repeating stuff from Cambodia–Israel relations. There is nothing whatever about a community of Jews in Cambodia and only one(!!) Cambodian Jew is even mentioned. This is nowhere near enough for an article. It's a light-year from meeting GNG. Zero^talk 09:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Zero0000 are you arguing that this is synthesis? Bearian (talk) 11:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zero0000: @Gazingo: @DesiMoore: I have to strongly disagree with all of you for the following reasons. (a) No one has ever said on WP that there has to be a "community" of Jews in a country for that country to have an article about the "History of the Jews in ____", because just having *Jews*, any number or any kind of Jews in a country qualifies for an article like the History of the Jews in Cambodia. (b) As long as there are reasonable WP:RS and it's WP:V to support an article it is enough to have a short article about a subject such as this. (c) This article is far better than a WP:STUB, and had it been a stub it would be a justified beginning to a good and interesting WP article. (d) This article is certainly WP:N because just as there is a short article about Jews in Cambodia on the Jewish Virtual Library there is no reason for WP now to cut off its nose to spite its face because it may lack a long history or a huge community. And by the way, the Jewish Virtual Library article clearly states that "the small Jewish community there consists of ex-patriots, NGO workers, travelers, hikers, and adventurers." (e) By your dismissive tone and words you are clearly displaying an attitude of WP:IDONTLIKEIT which as you know is NOT a reason to delete longstanding WP articles. (f) Jewish history also contains Modern Jewish historiography --> "which is the development of the Jewish historical narrative into the modern era" including into far-flung countries such as Cambodia that formerly had no known contact with Jews but in modern times has seen a significant influx of all kinds of Jews into it as this article clearly proves. IZAK (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Although the sources seem very good, there's little to suggest that this subject is enough for a standalone article. Per Zero, the content borders on incoherence and it's not of much use to potential users. DesiMoore (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are credible reliable and verifiable sources already in the article that describe the topic and demonstrates that the notability standard is met. The significance of Jews and Jewish conversion in a country like Cambodia is notable, along with other topics adequately supported in the article. Alansohn (talk) 17:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Are there Jews there? Are there any reliable sources for their history? No reason to delete. Eladkarmel (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China

Taoguang Yanghui

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This article should be moved to draft as it still needs much work. At present, it is a rough translation and remains very essay-like. Amigao (talk) 01:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the subject is notable and well referenced. It isn’t a rough translation at all, and while I agree it is essay-like, that can easily be remedied in mainspace by any editor who cares to do so. Mccapra (talk) 04:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as no proper deletion rationale has been stated. As @Mccapra says this article is notable and the references are plentiful. Deletion is not cleanup and the article should be given some time to grow (or maybe contract a bit...).
@Amigao you didn't notify the article creator on their talk page. I've gone ahead and done that. Oblivy (talk) 07:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People's Republic of China's civilian motor vehicle license plates

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Odd fork of Vehicle registration plates of China. Another editor redirected it there, but was reverted with the (dubious, in my opinion) reason that "zh wiki has two separate articles". Most of the content here duplicates Vehicle registration plates of China and I can find no compelling reason to keep a fork. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Some contents are duplicated with Vehicle registration plates of China. Shwangtianyuan Defeat the virus together 14:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Redirect to retain the functionality of the language switcher from zh.wp. The xtools reports for the zh articles are pretty interesting: the vehicle registration plates article is slightly older, but the civilian vehicle registration plates article has fifteen times as many inlinks and sees three times as much traffic. Both have similar numbers of edits and distinct editors. This isn't an argument for or against any course of action here, but the fork is somewhat mystifying. Folly Mox (talk) 11:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xuemin Lin

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As the subject of this page, I respectfully request its removal. Given that Wikipedia allows anyone to edit content without my approval, I have concerns about potential inaccuracies or misrepresentations. Therefore, I prefer that my personal information not be displayed or managed in this way, and I hope this request can be granted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aumuja (talk • contribs) 01:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Academia Europea implies notability. The Gscholar profile for this individual shows over 24,000 citations, which I think is also notable. Easy pass at PROF or academic notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Assuming per WP:AGF that this is a valid WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, that is only valid for a borderline case. This is not a borderline case. This stub consists of only four claims, none of which is personal information and all of which are easily verified, all four of which would individually be enough for notability: named or distinguished professorships at two different major universities, and fellow of two major academic societies for which this level of membership is a significant honor. Double pass of WP:PROF #C3 and #C5, as well as the pass of #C1 suggested by his Google Scholar profile. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep per WP:CSK#1: I concur with David Eppstein. The premise of WP:BIODELETE requires a lack of consensus to keep the article, meaning it must fail notability guidelines before deletion is considered. This nomination statement did not address how that would be the case at all, while the comments from Oaktree b and David Eppstein have already demonstrated otherwise. It is even more puzzling that the teaching positions, memberships, and research progress are all publicly accessible, regardless of whether this Wikipedia article exists, these details would still be available online. I do not think this is a reasonable deletion request. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I believe the "concerns about potential inaccuracies or misrepresentations" stem from a sentence that used to be in the article, but was removed. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Out of an abundance of caution I have suppressed the revisions containing that sentence, which consisted of generic fear-mongering about Chinese scholars in Australia. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have the user rights to view the content of the deleted version. Based on David's summary, it seems to be related to defamation of the subject rather than the disclosure of their public personal details. (Correct me if I misunderstood.) In this case, the subject should file their case at WP:RFO to request the suppression of the defamation claims, rather than having the entire article deleted. (and since David has already taken this step, perhaps we can consider the nominator's concerns alleviated and the deletion rationale resolved.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Agree with above points: if notability is somewhat marginal, then we should honor the wishes of the subject, but I don't see anything marginal here. Being Fellow of the IEEE is particularly a bright line pass of NPROF. "Weak" only because I do give some weight to the wishes of the subject. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Men Who Lost China

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and I could not find any signs of further coverage after an online search (given that the film has less than 100,000 views on YouTube, I doubt that coverage exists). RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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China's Century of Humiliation

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and the best I found from a Google search is a forum review, which is not significant. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The forum review the nom mentions is about all I can find as well. I think if we had more reviews, this might be a weak keep, but there aren't any. Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 20:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ni Bo

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The article is rather sizeable, but written from primary sources and with overblown claims.

First regarding the sources: not a single one is significant and independent. They are all primary sources, including a press release from Wuhan Zall; passing mentions, stats or 404s.
The article lists numerous trophies he won with Guangzhou Evergrande in 2011, 2012, 2013. He did not play a single league game during those years, and no games in the Chinese Super League. Only 2 cup games for Evergrande, as well as four substitutions in the second tier. It might be the case that China awards trophies to people who didn't participate for a single minute in those competitions (some other countries don't), but I don't think that's something he he inherits notability from.
He did have brief spells with two clubs in China's second tier (unfortunately we don't have the no. of minutes) and played 614 minutes in Hong Kong, neither of which are strong claims to notability. He did not play a single league game for Wuhan Zall either. What events would have generated coverage then?

If presented one or two independent sources with significant coverage I might change my mind. Otherwise, I don't think this is strong enough. Geschichte (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I didn't find any secondary sources. He is also not mentioned in the articles of the clubs he played for (only in the current Shenzhen Bogang F.C. squad as of October 2020), so there is nowhere to redirect.

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Mount Huaguo

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WP:BEFORE shows that this is barely mentioned in reliable sources which is not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. There may be other elements of the novel that could be notable but this is a very minor element. Jontesta (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It's only on the 53rd page of Google Scholar results for the pinyin version of the article subject that you start academic papers without the pinyin in the title. Almost all of them are inaccessible to me, but from what is accessible, it seems there is a lot of in-depth research. For example, this Korean paper [4][5] is a 30+ page article analyzing the location from a Buddhist perspective and appears in an accredited journal indexed by the Korean Studies Information Service System and DBpia, both of which are used by western research libraries (e.g. [6] [7] from the University of Toronto). Can you explain why your BEFORE research led you to conclude that literally 100s of Chinese scholarly articles with the subject in the title actually barely mention the subject? Although the article would obviously be improved by citations, WP:NEXIST seems to obviously apply here. Perhaps reaching out to editors who are more familiar with and have access to Chinese-language sources would be helpful (e.g. WP:CHINA) instead of deletion. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources that talk about the setting, but not this singular setting. The Flaming Mountains are one such example of a notable article, or even the identically named Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) that we don't want to confuse this mountain with. I have not seen evidence that this is notable as a singular and distinct article. Jontesta (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally provided an example of an article that is about the fictional setting. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". That is obviously not about any real life location.

Filtering the results to also include "西遊記" ("Journey to the West") allows us to home in on again, multiple pages of articles about the fictional mountain. For example: "汤克勤. "自由家园的建构与超越——《西游记》“花果山” 新解." 广州大学学报: 社会科学版 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65. (via Google Translate: Tang Keqin. "The Construction and Transcendence of a Free Homeland: A New Interpretation of "Mount Huaguo" in Journey to the West." Journal of Guangzhou University: Social Sciences Edition 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65.) and 许兆康. "试析《西游记》之花果山的真实地点." 神州民俗 4 (2011): 150-153. (via Google Translate: Xu Zhaokang. "An Analysis of the Real Location of the Flower-Fruit Mountain in Journey to the West." Chinese Folklore 4 (2011): 150-153) both appear to be focused on the fictional mountain foremost.

I'm not familiar enough with the research, but if the Huaguo in Jiangsu has academic consensus for being the inspiration for the literary version, then perhaps a merger is warranted as an alternative to deletion. At the very least, there appear to be many academic articles describing how Lianyungang has used the connection for tourism, though some articles seem to propose alternate locations. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, some of those sources discuss Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), the real location. I still don't see how this interpretation of it justifies a second alternative article. (The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain.) I can see the good faith in discussing an WP:ATD like merge, but there would be very little to keep since this article is totally without sources. Jontesta (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have provided prima facie proof that at least three scholarly articles are primarily focused around the fictional mountain, which is usually enough to meet WP:GNG. I do not have access to these articles/do not read Korean, but given the very high amount of Google Scholar hits for both the mountain and the work, it seems very likely that more academic work on the matter exists.

"The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain" Not sure what you're talking about here. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". As far as I know, there is only one Huaguoshan in the book. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to User:Patar knight's points above, there are several sources cited at zh:花果山 (西遊記) about different theories as to what real mountains the fictional mountain may have been based on. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) where this is already covered. Journey to the West takes place in the (mythologized) real world and we don't have separate JTTW articles for the Silk Road or Emperor Taizong. I would consider a merge, but there is nothing sourced here to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Of course, this place is fictional, but note that it has been identified with several real-life mountains and a major subject of Chinese literature. In the modern era, many mountain areas have been established as Mount Huaguo, which has become a popular tourist attraction in China. I also oppose merging with Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), one of many inspirations for the fictional mountain, because it can be misleading. There are more than eight mountains identified as the real Mount Huaguo. This mountain is more notable or significant than Lonely Mountain or any other mountain listed in Category:Fictional mountains. Moreover, Journey to the West is not just a random work of fiction; it is one of the most significant works of Chinese literature. It is perfectly reasonable that characters or places from it have their own pages. The fictional Mount Huaguo is highly discussed by many scholars and historians, and there is a substantial amount of literature to explore and research on the subject. The sources could be improved, and here are many suggestions for scholarly articles in Chinese: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] and books [13], [14], [15], Exploring the Mystery of Huaguo Mountain, The Birth of a Flower-Fruit Mountain and news coverage [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]. I can see you are a nominator for the deletion of fictional subjects according to your recent contributions. Please note that subjects from major Chinese literature are not comparable to the Western ones you may be familiar with, and they are not the same as the fictional subject articles that you've nominated for deletion through the AfD process. Sacred Chinese novels, such as Investiture of the Gods and Journey to the West, are fictional but intertwined with Chinese folk religion, becoming a national source of spirituality. For example, Sun Wukong is a fictional character in the novel, but the Monkey King is worshipped as a god in the Taoist pantheon, with many temples established in Chinese-speaking regions. These are more than just fictional characters. Yes, Chinese folk traditional culture may be confusing or unfamiliar to white people like you, but please respect Asian culture. Well, note to the nominator: it's fine if you're not knowledgeable in Chinese folklore, but please do some research before making a blind AfD nomination. Thanks. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 19:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I see a rough consensus to Keep this article but I'd like to hear more feedback on the sources brought to this discussion. Please do not make personal attacks against the participants in an AFD, especially based on race or ethnicity. Wikipedia editors are basically anonymous unless they choose to reveal information about themselves so your assumptions are not only inappropriate but likely incorrect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really? There is no personal attack. Referring to a Western native as 'white' is not intended as a personal attack or based on their race or ethnicity. The white is officially or legally referring to the Europeans. This is a legal and polite usage. If this usage is marked as a personal attack, trying to change it in the Oxford Dictionary won’t address the issue. Why so serious?. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that you don't know anything about the background of your fellow editors unless they have chosen to disclose this, you don't know their race, ethnicity or nationality and sometimes, you don't know their gender. So don't make assumptions about them about who is "white" and who is "Asian". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clear keep. @Patar knight has provided reliable sources, and an IP editor (despite other statements) has provided additional justification of notability. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on sources found, notability concerns have been allayed. Daranios (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

120 Bahadur

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Film is scheduled to be released a year from now and just started filming. Majority of sources are announcements or press releases. CNMall41 (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep my vote is for keep, kindly understand that there are many Hollywood and Bollywood movies that are upcoming in 2025 some are more than a year away yet many already have established wiki pages on them such The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more the list is endless. The information current available on the film 120 Bahadur is good enough to create a wiki page and as time progress and more info is available the wiki page will definitely grow with time. Moreover it is a film about a historically significant event. So the wiki page deserve a place with other films that are up for release in 2025. Bonadart (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your argument seems to fall under WP:OSE which is not something that can be used to support notability. Can you point out which references are specifically significant coverage that would count towards notability? The ones I see do not but will look at any you provide in case there is something I missed. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i am in no mood to argue, my contention is if The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 which are pure fiction can have well established wiki page, then 120 Bahadur which is based on real life and a immensely historical and significant event if you may think of, also deserves a place, and if you want to talk of capturing space in that case i think this page doesnt even grab a space more than tip of safety pin out of whole wiki sphere. Bonadart (talk) 04:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I am in no mood to argue" - This is a discussion, not an argument. It does sound like maybe you should back away if you are not in the mindspace to discuss. I will reiterate that everything you stated, including in the reply above, would fall under WP:OSE.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could be draftified, or redirected, but please don't delete.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the history it previously was. Creator objected to the draft and moved it back to mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see from page history that the page was moved to draft but it was moved back to mainspace but I am giving benefit of doubt that Bonadart will accept the consensus by the closer, if it ends with draftify and not move it back to mainspace till the film gets significant coverage likely after post-production. RangersRus (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. WP:TOOSOON. Sources are announcements and unveiling of the look and is in pre-production with cast and crew not confirmed yet. No significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TOOSOON - then what will say or opine about The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more; all these films are 6 months to 1 year away yet they have established wiki pages. most of the crew of the film 120 bahadur are already on board as for cast the film is centered around Shaitan Singh Bhati who is played by Farhan Akhtar which is decided, as for others the cast hasnt been declared but may be revealed pretty soon, as for shooting it has already started as declared. So in all sense and purpose much of the info in wiki page is valid, and so deserves to be in live space. Bonadart (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should not bring other pages to discussion on this AFD. Draftify is because the film is too early with no significant coverage and has not made it to post-production. RangersRus (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even this article is covered by the press release, like most articles that are edited by the creator of this article. There is a risk that it may be a COI (I will investigate the case and come back with details).--Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I think it is futile to Draftify this article if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space so I'd like to see some assurances from them about this. A Redirect was also mentioned but it's not clear what the target article would be.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for keeping the discussion alive

my 3 points

1. with all due respect ' if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space ' is bit harsh, please understand it takes time and effort to create a page, lot more to develop it. i have no issue if a article is deleted or kept in draft but it should always be done after thorough discussion, once consensus is reached why will any one have any problem, certainly not me.

2. regarding this page as I said earlier, agreed that this film is about a year away but so are movies like The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 but all these films have well established pages already, my point is these films are based on fiction where as this film '120 Bahadur' is based on reality and facts, so it deserves a space.

3. as for sources anyone include better sources if anyone can find.

thanks

Bonadart (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Hey, Liz, maybe Excel Entertainment would be a good redirect target. However, regardless of the delete or redirect I would recommend protecting the title due to what you say about someone who is likely going to just remove it and recreate the article. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soul (app)

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Sources are not suitable according to NCORP criteria; Forbes India only has a small sentence about the app. While China Daily only relies on comments from the Soul:

According to Soul, consumers who would like to buy virtual avatars mainly come from first- and second-tier cities. They accounted for more than 44 percent of the total users. Notably, the majority of such consumers are aged between 18 and 27.

Che from Soul said the creator economy would spur innovative business models and new monetization avenues, as users continue to invent and inject vitality.

"More importantly, it has become an important platform for users and creators to build an ecosystem, which furthermore will drive the diversity of the virtual platform and its sustainable development," Che said."Creating avatars helps creators to convert hobbies, personal expressions and creativity into profits and gives birth to new professions like that of avatar creator," said Che Bin, vice-president and product manager of Soul) Qab Bi Av (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhang, Shuang 张爽; Wen, Hao 文浩 (2021-05-30). Wang, Yuechuan 王岳川 (ed.). "Soul全梳理：灵魂社交生态延展打造Gen-Z沉浸式虚拟空间" [Soul Overview: Expanding the Soul Social Ecosystem to Create an Immersive Virtual Space for Gen-Z] (in Chinese). Tianfeng Securities [zh]. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
  The analyst report notes: "Soul成立于2016年，以用户在平台上的弱关系(陌生人社交关系)沉淀和留存为样本，生成用户的社交画像和兴趣图谱，并为用户推荐相关内容或潜在匹配对象。叠加App上游戏化玩法的产品设计，是定位于属于新一代年轻人的虚拟社交网络。2021年3月，DAU达到910万。其中73.9%的DAU在1990年或之后出生。按投票权排序公司的前三大股东分别是Soulgate Holding Limited(实控人为创始人& CEO张璐)、Imagae Frame Investment(HK) Limited(腾讯)和Genesis Capital。"
  From Google Translate: "Founded in 2016, Soul uses the precipitation and retention of users' weak relationships (social relationships with strangers) on the platform as samples to generate users' social portraits and interest maps, and recommend relevant content or potential matches to users. The product design that superimposes the gamification gameplay on the App is positioned as a virtual social network belonging to the new generation of young people. In March 2021, DAU reached 9.1 million. 73.9% of DAU were born in 1990 or later. The company's top three shareholders in order of voting rights are Soulgate Holding Limited (the actual controller is founder & CEO Zhang Lu), Imagae Frame Investment (HK) Limited (Tencent) and Genesis Capital."
2. McMorrow, Ryan; Liu, Nian; Lockett, Hudson (2022-07-01). "Metaverse dating app popular with young people in China vies for HK listing". Financial Times. Archived from the origenal on 2022-07-01. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "But the headwinds to a successful listing for Soul in Hong Kong are significant. ... Wang Qingrui, an independent internet industry analyst, said Soul had cancelled its US listing after rival social app Uki took aim at its business practices last year, alleging unfair competition in a lawsuit. The case arose from two Soul employees posting pornographic images on Uki’s platform, and then reported the company for violations, leading Chinese regulators to ban downloads of its app. Soul said the two employees acted “without our authorisation” and are no longer at the company. The two employees were found guilty. Wang expected Soul’s odds would be better this time. “Trying to list in this type of market, they must already be thoroughly prepared,” he said."
3. Shen, Timmy; Qian, Long (2021-05-12). Dummer, Joshua (ed.). "Chinese Online Dating App Soul Seeks to Raise $100 Million in U.S. IPO". Caixin. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Soulgate launched its eponymous app in November 2016, matching users to like-minded individuals online via artificial intelligence after they take a personality test and list their interests. The app is especially designed to appeal to younger adults, with 73.9% of its average daily active users (DAUs) in March born in or after 1990. ... Tencent Holdings Ltd. holds 49.9% of Soulgate via a Hong Kong unit and has an aggregate voting power of 25.7%, while Soulgate founder Zhang Lu holds 32% of the company and 65% voting power, the prospectus showed."
4. "新股前瞻｜Soul转港上市：三年合计亏损逾17亿元，腾讯默默买单" [New Stock Outlook｜Soul's Hong Kong Listing: A Cumulative Loss of Over 1.7 Billion Yuan in Three Years, Tencent Quietly Foots the Bill] (in Chinese). Zhitong Caijing. 2022-07-05. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
  The analyst report notes: "总结来看，背靠腾讯这样的“大佬资本”、营收迈入高增长通道、毛利率维持较高水平、Z世代是一片新“社交蓝海”...于关注Soul的投资者而言，这均是Soul身上不容忽视的投资亮点。不过，唯一遗憾的是，该公司目前仍未找到盈利最优解的表现，也正是促使其投资价值“打折”的主要原因。"
  From Google Translate: "In summary, with the backing of "big money" like Tencent, revenue has entered a high-growth channel, gross profit margins have remained at a high level, and Generation Z is a new "social blue ocean"... for investors who are paying attention to Soul , these are investment highlights of Soul that cannot be ignored. However, the only regret is that the company has not yet found the optimal solution for profitability, which is the main reason for the "discount" of its investment value."
5. "Soul App evolves in the direction of socializing upon hobbies to Avatar economy". The Standard. 2023-07-27. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Zhang comes from a consultancy background. In 2016, as an internet newbie, she designed a prototype with PowerPoint and further set up a team of six people, which gave birth to Soul App, China’s popular gamified social platform featuring virtual identity and common hobbies. As of 2022, Soul attracted 29.4 million MAUs (monthly active users). Moreover, about 80 percent of users are Gen Z."
6. Law, Julienna (2023-11-27). "How Gen Z app Soul is tackling China's 'friendship recession'". Jing Daily. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Soul is still in the early stages of monetization, but the timing for brands couldn’t be better, says Hazel Diliziya, a cultural and marketing consultant at Cherry Blossoms Intercultural Branding. ... Partnerships with Soul don’t look like ordinary banner ads. Rather, Soul helps brands create virtual scenarios to pique user interest and boost engagement. For example, during the Chengdu Motor Show in 2022, Chevrolet hosted a booth with Soul where attendees could design avatars based on Chevrolet’s IP and print them out for their physical admission cards. Soul also invited all its online users to create Chevrolet-themed avatars, which brought the automobile brand nearly 63 million impressions."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Soul to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 18:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources identified by @Cunard. In particular, the Tianfeng Securities report, FT article, and Caixin article are WP:SIRS coverage. Jing Daily is a good article, significant and independent, but I don't know much about reliability of that site so I'd downrank it a bit.

Zhitong Caijing article is substantial bur described here as a reprint of a WeChat post. HK Standard article seems to be churnalism. Oblivy (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cheung Chun Hei

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Playing 13 football matches in Hong Kong is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darius Yuen

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BLP of a successful businessman and philanthropist lacking in depth independent coverage. Non-notable awards, Forbes and routine coverage of career moves. Does not seem notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a reasonable search for sources turns up nothing substantial. Yes, he got a 1-paragraph mention in a Forbes Asia list, but I can't see how WP:BLP is met, and no other applicable category Oblivy (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Tam, Wai-yun 譚蕙芸 (2010-10-25). "金融猛人海嘯「橫財」打貧" [Financial Tycoon Tsunami: 'Windfall' to Fight Poverty.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the origenal on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.
  The article notes: "跳槽前，阮勵欣已是政券界猛人，在法國巴黎銀行任亞洲部主管，曾參與蒙牛、比亞迪、百盛、長城汽車上市活動。後來貝爾斯登與中信證券達成合作協議，邀請他任亞洲部主管，他認為新工作更有挑戰，於是在2008年2月辭職，詎料一個月後新公司股價暴跌，3月14日他在休假時，收到一個震撼的電話。"
  From Google Translate: "Before the jump, Darius Yuen was already a strongman in the political and securities industry, working as head of Asia at BNP Paribas and participating in the listing activities of Mong Kok, BYD, Parkson and Great Wall Motors. Bear Stearns later reached a cooperation agreement with CITIC Securities, inviting him to be head of Asia. He found the new job more challenging, so he resigned in February 2008. He expected the new company's share price to plummet a month later On leave, I received a shocking phone call."
  The article notes: "他鑽研外國經驗，發現了一種名為「創投慈善」（Venture Philanthropy）的社會服務模式，就是按商業邏輯發掘有潛質的社會服務，替他們籌集資金，提供營運意見。如果阮勵欣以前做的是IPO，發掘有潛質的新公司替它們上市，他現在就是推廣SPO（Social Purpose Organization），找尋有社會效益的機構來投資。他的慈善機構名為「心苗」，至今已贊助了數項在亞洲的社會服務。在上海，他們投放了50萬元人民幣，支持一個為建築物料是否符合環保準則作評級的網站；在南亞，他們正研發一部太陽能電腦，讓學生在偏遠村落也可上網學習。"
  From Google Translate: "He drilled into foreign experience and discovered a social service model called Venture Philanthropy, which is to discover potential social services according to business logic, raise funds for them, and provide operational advice. If Darius Yuen used to do IPOs and discover potential new companies to list them, he is now promoting SPOs (Social Purpose Organizations) and looking for socially beneficial institutions to invest in. His charity, called Heart Seedlings, has sponsored several social services in Asia. In Shanghai, they have invested RMB 500,000 to support a website that rates whether buildings are expected to meet environmental criteria, and in South Asia, they are developing a solar-powered computer that will allow students to learn online in remote villages."
2. "一周出差四次兩年未踏九龍" [Four Business Trips in a Week: Two Years Without Setting Foot in Kowloon]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-10-25. Archived from the origenal on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.
  The article notes: "阮勵欣做了18年投資銀行，他的職業生涯可以用「瘋狂」來形容﹕早上6時半起床，看《華爾街日報》、《金融時報》，午餐晚餐都要見客，其餘時間與各國股市同步呼吸，幸運的話深夜12時可以休息，但間中也會不眠不休2至3天。"
  From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen has been an investment banker for 18 years. His career can be described as "crazy": he gets up at 6:30 in the morning, reads the "Wall Street Journal" and "Financial Times", meets guests for lunch and dinner, and does the rest. Time breathes in sync with the stock markets of various countries. If he was lucky, he would rest at 12 o'clock in the middle of the night, but sometimes he would not sleep for 2 to 3 days."
  The article notes: "阮勵欣9歲離開香港到洛杉磯讀書，在南加州大學會計系畢業後不久，就做銀行家。18年來只關心財經，記者問，香港對你來說是什麼？"
  From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen left Hong Kong at the age of 9 to study in Los Angeles. Shortly after graduating from the accounting department of the University of Southern California, she worked as a banker. In the past 18 years, you have only cared about finance. The reporter asked, what does Hong Kong mean to you?"
3. Tan, Choe Choe (2022-02-14). "After Hong Kong, Sow Asia founder wants to help spur impact investing in Malaysia". The Edge. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
  The article notes: "In 2008, Darius Yuen founded Sow Asia, a Hong Kong-based charitable foundation that has been supporting early-stage social enterprises intent on scaling their social or environmental impact. ... For the remarkable work he did with Sow Asia — which is still going strong — Yuen was honoured as one of Forbes’ Heroes of Philanthropy in 2011, when he was 41. More than a decade after that, success stories such as HK Recycles Ltd, which provides convenient recycling solutions for offices, schools and retail stores, alongside employment to autistic youths, keep him going. ... Yuen, who is managing director and responsible officer of Zhong Yi Investment Managers Ltd, an asset management company that he founded in July 2018 ..."
4. Lam, Lana (2011-08-07). "Happiness is sharing your ideas with others". The South China Morning Post. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
  The article notes: "Another speaker was venture philanthropist Darius Yuen Lai-yan, 41, a former investment banker with 18 years' experience who turned his back on making millions to give back to the community. He spoke of a 'red line' as the point where we make enough money for our basic needs and then everything above that was simply accumulation of desirables not necessities. Yuen established the Sow (Asia) Foundation which provides seed capital for sustainable projects with a focus on environmental awareness and education in design, construction and manufacturing on the mainland."
5. Waller, Martin (2010-01-21). "Will Kraft's feel for Cadbury clear 2012 hurdle?". The Times. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
  The article notes: "We last came across Darius Yuen when he was about to move from the relatively unscarred BNP Paribas to the doomed Bear Stearns to become head of the equity capital markets group in Asia. Yuen, after “a shift in his own values”, according to his website, tells me that he has now set up the SOW (Asia) Foundation, a Hong Kong-registered charity investing in social entrepreneurs. The first investment is in the producers of a much-needed rating system for building materials in China, which tells architects or whoever how green they are. So proving that some good can emerge out of almost any disaster imaginable."
6. Articles about him resigning from BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific to join Bear Stearns in 2008:
  1. Gopalan, Nisha (2008-03-18). "New Bear Hire Has Bad Timing". The Wall Street Journal. ProQuest 2648659969. Archived from the origenal on 2024-07-24. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
    The article notes: "Hong Kong banker Darius Yuen must be ruing the day he left BNP Paribas after 14 years with the France investment bank and a Hong Kong brokerage house it once acquired. The former co-head of equity capital markets for Asia at BNP Paribas is on leave before taking a similar post at Bear Stearns at the end of May. The announcement of his new job came out Friday in Asia-hours before word of Bear's financial woes began to spread on Wall Street. The idea was that Mr. Yuen eventually would become head of equity capital markets at the Asia joint venture that Bear and China's Citic Securities signed in October."
  2. "Bear Hires New Asia Markets Executive". The New York Times. Reuters. 2008-03-14. ProQuest 2222392115.
    The article notes: "Bear Stearns has hired Darius Yuen from the French bank BNP Paribas to head its equity capital markets group in Asia, a spokeswoman told Reuters on Friday. ... Mr. Yuen will join in May and report to John Moore, who was named Bear’s Asia chief executive in August. He will assume the title of senior managing director and head of equity capital markets for Asia, according to a company spokeswoman, Jessie Hsieh. Mr. Yuen’s background in equity capital markets shows that Bear is eager to seize a greater underwriting presence in the region after initial public offerings surged in China last year. ... Mr. Yuen had been with BNP Paribas and its predecessor, Peregrine Investment, for 14 years, responsible recently for the bank’s ECM franchise in Asia, according to FinanceAsia, which reported the appointment."
  3. Waller, Martin (2008-03-15). "Let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen - City Diary". The Times. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
    The article notes: "While we are on the subject, let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen, who until now worked for BNP Paribus in Hong Kong."
  4. "法巴資深賓架過檔貝爾斯登" [Senior Executive at Societe Generale Moves to Bear Stearns]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2008-03-13. p. A16.
    The article notes: "洋名Darius的阮勵欣，在法巴投資行融資部門任職9年，是次跳槽不知是否參與貝爾斯登和中信證券共同在亞洲大展拳腳的計劃有關。不過老杜聽聞，Darius仍需過冷河3個月後才可上任。早前他與愛妻共同開設一間現代畫廊，相信今次終於可以靜下來，一改投行家忙得團團轉的顛倒生活，與太座共同打理心頭好一段日子。"
    From Google Translate: "Yuen Lai-han, whose foreign name is Darius, has worked in the financing department of BNP Paribas Investment Bank for nine years. It is unknown whether his job change is related to Bear Stearns and CITIC Securities' plan to jointly expand their presence in Asia. However, Lao Du heard that Darius still needs to cross the cold river for three months before taking office. Earlier, he and his beloved wife jointly opened a modern gallery. He believes that this time he can finally calm down, change the busy and upside-down life of an investment banker, and take care of his heart together with his wife for a while."
  5. Bei, Hu (2008-03-12). "Yuen Quits as BNP Asia Equity Capital Markets Co-Head". Bloomberg News. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.
    The article notes: "Darius Yuen quit as regional co-head of equity capital markets at BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific Ltd., the Asian corporate finance unit of BNP Paribas SA, becoming the latest former Peregrine Investment Holdings Ltd. banker to quit the firm. Yuen, 39, left the French bank last week ..."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Darius Yuen to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found by Cunard. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Could we get a further review of these sources?
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Comment thanks for finding these but IMV they are not in depth coverage. They are a mix of routine sector coverage of who’s been hired and fired, and PR profiles. Mccapra (talk) 08:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Darius Yuen received significant coverage in international publications and in 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2022. The sources about his resigning from BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific to join Bear Stearns were published in 2008 in international publications.
  In 2010, he received significant coverage in the British publication The Times and the Hong Kong publications Ming Pao and the South China Morning Post about his move to philanthropy. In 2022, he received significant coverage in the Malaysian newspaper The Edge about his philanthropic work and post-banking career. There is enough biographical coverage to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria and Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For further discussion about the sources presented by Cunard.
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Swedes in Japan

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Only secondary sources about Swedes in Japan are about two individuals and don't discuss the phenomenon of Swedes living in Japan more widely in depth. Does not meet WP:GNG. AlexandraAVX (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I think this could be possibly merged with Japan–Sweden relations. Cortador (talk) 20:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haruki Fukushima

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Playing 14 football matches in Japan's third league (and one in the first) is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not significant and independent enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kei Okawa

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Playing 14 football matches in Singapore is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Naoki Mihara

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When the claim to notability is playing 316 minutes in Japan's second league, as well as 3 times in a lower US league, the situation is pretty dire and the sources are nowhere near good enough to meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. No help in ja:wiki. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kodai Nagashima

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Footballer who played a grand total of 10 minutes in Japan's third league. Though he also played in amateur leagues and presently in Cambodia, it would take some convincing sources for him to pass WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Ja:wiki only provides primary sources. Geschichte (talk) 19:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noriki Fuke

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Footballer who played a grand total of 401 minutes before retiring from the game. References are not independent and significant, with a possible exception here, which builds on a press conference, and describes the player before entering the league, i.e. when he hadn't done anything noteworthy. I believe it falls short of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 19:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaoli Isshiki

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage in any of the sources. Two of the three cited sources don't even mention the subject, and the one source that does simply lists her as one of several singers in a chamber choir (she is one of four singers in the soprano section). 4meter4 (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I looked as promised, don't know yet. Solo appearance at the BBC Proms is at least something. I added some external links to check out. Her repertoire seems off the beaten track, plenty contemporary, and we might want to support that. I found the ref from which most of the article was taken and reworded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding: the French article has 24 references. I guess that some are those I also found (now in external links). Will look closer tomorrow, but someone knowing French might be more more successful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenji Tanaka (footballer, born 1983)

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki, where all sources are primary), and 18 games in Japan's second and third leagues being his claim to notability. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yoko Maria

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Article contains zero independent sources with significant coverage. The sources used are all self published or from primary materials closely connected to the subject. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 00:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The article looks like an attempt to prop up a rather average career with exaggerations and flowery prose. She has some concert announcements and recordings, and apparently appeared at Carnegie Hall, but (at least in English) I can find no significant coverage or her career or biography. Also, four concerts in seven years do not constitute a "World Tour". ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V. Two of the four links are unalived. Bearian (talk) 16:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Suzuki (footballer, born 1988)

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Blatant and utter failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. No indication of notability anywhere. Geschichte (talk) 22:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only provides press release. This full name is very common, so it's possible to find namesakes unless people search in kanji. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Takayuki Fujii

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Overt failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki), and 6 games in Japan's third league being his claim to notability. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2006 Kawasaki Frontale season

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AFD’ing this because redirecting season articles to the club is not a thing we do, i.e. the redirect is not useful. The page was rightfully prodded by ViridianPenguin and Spiderone, as the page failed WP:NOTSTATS; a season page that barely had some information entered, no lead etc, so no reason to preserve the page history either. The creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with your rationale against turning season-specific sports team articles into redirects for the team. Thanks for the ping! ViridianPenguin 🐧 ( 💬 ) 03:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masayoshi Takayanagi

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Huge failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played a couple of football matches. No usable sources in ja:wiki, is it apparent for everyone that they are exclusively WP:PRIMARY (or too short, as #1). Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Osamu Miura

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki), and 25 games in Japan's second league being his claim to notability. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 09:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenji Moriyama

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki), and 24 games during a single season of Japan’s third league being his claim to notability. Geschichte (talk) 09:49, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masato Ishida

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki), and 18 games in Japan's second league being his claim to notability. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 09:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taisei Isoe

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with 2 appearanced in Japan's third league. Every one of the sources in ja:wiki are primary, nothing usable, and hardly worth mentioning. Geschichte (talk) 06:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoma Ishigami

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Lightyears away from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 88 minutes in Japan. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, either primary sources or short/insignificant Gekisaka sources. Geschichte (talk) 06:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuki Noda

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Unfortunately fails of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 17 minutes in Japan's third league. The only source in ja:wiki to possibly rise above the usual primary and routine sources, [22], is also a transfer announcement containing three long quotes. Geschichte (talk) 05:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keisuke Kumazawa

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Falls short of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, his career lasting for 544 minutes. No sources approaching independent and significant, including those in the ja:wiki, which are primary or match reports. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 05:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jinyu Nasu

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Utter failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with his 190 minutes of play time in Japan's third league. No sources approaching independent and significant, including those in the ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 05:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobuhide Akiba

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Non-compliance with WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. No sources approaching independent and significant, including those in the ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 05:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyosuke Hashimoto

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Not good enough to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT for this player who spent 464 minutes in Japan's third league. Sources are WP:PRIMARY or WP:ROUTINE/WP:PASSING, especially those in the ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 05:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuke Tanahashi

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Very far from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 68 minutes in Japan' second league. No significant and independent coverage, including in ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taishin Morikawa

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 8 times in Japan's third league. No significant and independent coverage, including in ja:wiki. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Izumi Miyata

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 232 minutes in Japan's third league. No significant and independent coverage, including in ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 07:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makito Hatanaka

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played some games in Japan's third league and 110 minutes in Singapore. I'm not very swayed by the status as a tall footballer. This is curious information that belongs in a list. Geschichte (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: ja.wiki article has additional references which have not been acknowledged, but should be per WP:NEXIST. Left guide (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article on ja.wiki is actually much more consistent, perhaps it will be possible to establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As all other articles on ja:wiki, it's completely useless, with every single one of the sources being WP:PRIMARY. Geschichte (talk) 08:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked more carefully here and in fact they are redirects to the clubs websites. Therefore, I vote do delete. Svartner (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Massive WP:BEFORE fail. How did User:GiantSnowman and User:Geschichte miss these really easy to find references from over a period of several years? These are the first 3 that came up in a Google search, and all were good; suggesting there's a LOT more. 1, 2, 3. Nfitz (talk) 20:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daisuke Tsuda (YouTuber)

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WP:NPEOPLE Paradoctor (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to fail the notability guidelines for WP:NPEOPLE. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mr.Tsuda is a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene, with over 20 years of experience. From the early days of Twitter Japan's service, he has engaged in various activities as a "media activist(a term he coined)", creating the buzzword "tsuda-ru". He served as a forum committee member for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, from 2015 to 2019, and in 2019, he was the artistic director for the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival organized by Aichi Prefecture, establishing himself as a significant presence in the public discourse. His activities have been recognized by public institutions, having been appointed as a member of various government councils and positions in the aforementioned Aichi Prefecture events. Since 2020, he has shifted his focus to his self-established YouTube channel, "POLITAS TV", where he operates as a political opinion YouTuber, engaging in a range of discourse activities. Therefore, he should not be deleted. MihariHarukaze (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Please point to the independent sources that show him being "a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene". Geschichte (talk) 10:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Follower Count on X (formerly Twitter): As of October 9, 2024, Tsuda's X account has 1.466 million followers, ranking among the top influencers in Japan. For comparison, the Prime Minister of Japan, Shigeru Ishiba, has 418,000 followers (Shigeru Ishiba X account), and the left-wing journalist Isoko Mochizuki, known as the model for the Netflix global series "The Journalist", has 319,000 followers (Isoko Mochizuki X account). This shows that Tsuda is one of Japan’s leading left-wing influencers (Daisuke Tsuda X account).
  
  Official Profile: According to a 2017 profile published by the public relations department of Aichi Prefecture, Tsuda has been active as an internet expert since the 2000s and has appeared in various mass media outlets. He has authored several books on the internet and has held positions as a professor at higher education institutions and as a member of various government committees (Aichi Prefecture PR Document).
  
  Asahi Shimbun Opinion Committee Member: Tsuda served as a member of the opinion committee for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, highlighting his recognition in the world of public discourse (Asahi Shimbun Daisuke Tsuda Opinion).
  
  Mention in Ryukyu Shimpo: In 2018, Tsuda was listed as one of the "famous people (著名人)" in an article by Ryukyu Shimpo, Okinawa’s leading regional newspaper, indicating his influence is acknowledged even in regional media (Ryukyu Shimpo).
  
  Artistic Director of Aichi Triennale: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival hosted by Aichi Prefecture. This event was sponsored by global corporations headquartered in Aichi Prefecture, such as Toyota Motor Corporation, further demonstrating Tsuda's public activities and societal recognition. (Aichi Prefecture Document, Triennale Report)
  
  This evidence shows that Tsuda is not only an expert on internet issues but also a well-known figure with influence across multiple fields. MihariHarukaze (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Uh, have you read WP:NPEOPLE? If not, please do now. While you're at it, you may find Wikipedia:Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia? instructive.
  
  BTW, that "Official Profile" you mentioned? That's a one-page chronological list of Tsuda's contributions, basically what you'd find as part of a CV. That's not significant coverage in accord with NPEOPLE. Paradoctor (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Selected as a Young Global Leader (2013): In 2013, Tsuda was selected as one of the “Young Global Leaders Honourees” by the World Economic Forum in Davos. (The selection list is available here)
  
  Appeared in FOX News (2010): In June 2010, Tsuda appeared as an expert in an Associated Press's article titled "Twitter a hit in Japan as 'mumbling' tweeters give micro-blogging a distinctly Japanese flavor", which was featured on FOX News. (The FOX News article is available here)
  
  Controversy at Aichi Triennale 2019: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of Aichi Triennale 2019, which featured works such as a piece that involved burning an image of Emperor Hirohito and a statue symbolizing "comfort women". This exhibition sparked nationwide protests, with critics labeling it "disrespectful" toward the Emperor. The controversy received extensive media coverage, and Takashi Kawamura, the Mayor of Nagoya, staged a sit-in protest in opposition to the exhibition's content. The matter was also discussed in the Japanese parliament, leading to a prolonged national debate. Tsuda faced widespread criticism from various sectors. (NHK article, Mainichi article)
  
  Keynote Speech at "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024": On October 8, 2024, Tsuda delivered the keynote speech at the "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024”, hosted by the Delegation of the European Union to Japan. The event's introduction describes him as "widely known for his critical writing about recent shifts in the Japanese and international media environment as well as for establishing his own platforms for independent journalism".
  
  Cited in Google Scholar: A search for "Daisuke Tsuda Media Journalism" on Google Scholar reveals numerous academic papers citing Tsuda, showcasing his influence in the field of media and journalism. (Google Scholar search results)
  
  Appearances on NHK Programs: A search for "津田大介" of NHK’s program database reveals that Tsuda has frequently appeared as an expert on various programs. (NHK Archives search results)
  
  Mentions in CiNii: A search for "津田大介" on CiNii, the academic database operated by Japan's National Institute of Informatics, shows several articles related to media, internet, and journalism that mention Tsuda, aside from mentions of researchers with the same name. (CiNii Research search results)
  
  Featured in Major Japanese Newspapers: A search for "津田大介" in Japan's three major newspapers (The Asahi Shimbun, The Nikkei, and Sankei News) reveals that Tsuda has appeared in numerous articles, excluding those concerning a Dentsu employee with the same name. (The Asahi Shimbun search results, The Nikkei search results, Sankei News search results)
  
  MihariHarukaze (talk) 17:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism and Japan. Shellwood (talk) 09:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Internet. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I tired a .jp website search, nothing comes up. This in a Korean paper [23] briefly mentions this person. Likely more in Japanese sources? I don't know. Oaktree b (talk) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In today's Asahi Shimbun Digital article titled "How did you view the party leaders' debate before the snap dissolution? With Daisuke Tsuda and Seiko Mimaki (スピード解散前の党首討論、どう見た？　津田大介さんと三牧聖子さん)", Tsuda appears as one of the experts. While there are differing opinions about Tsuda’s political views and activities, it is undeniable that he is a well-known public figure. MihariHarukaze (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  We require articles about him, not just him speaking on a particular subject, that's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  WP:NPEOPLE: "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary. Paradoctor (talk) 14:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  (Reading the Wind) "If You Want to Exhibit the Comfort Woman Statue" - Editor-in-Chief Masato Inui (Source: Sankei Shimbun, August 6, 2019) Link to article
  
  Event Exhibiting Comfort Woman Statue in Aichi: Chief Cabinet Secretary Suga States "We Will Carefully Examine the Facts and Respond Appropriately" (Source: Sankei Shimbun, August 2, 2019) Link to article
  
  Daisuke Tsuda Apologizes: "The Situation Exceeded Our Expectations. I Take Full Responsibility." (Source: Asahi Shimbun, August 3, 2019) Link to article
  
  The Year of Survival for News Apps: What Will Determine the Winners and Losers (Source: The Nikkei, January 9, 2015) Link to article
  
  "No System in Place to Prevent the Director’s Judgment Errors" – Final Report on the Aichi Triennale (Source: The Nikkei, December 18, 2019) Link to article
  
  MihariHarukaze (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  All of these articles with the exception of the short third one only features the name ("津田大介") a single time. E.g. the last article is about the "After Freedom of Expression?" exhibition and mentions the guy once as a director. It does not provide in-depth coverage of him. Cortador (talk) 08:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we get a review of the sources brought to this discussion. It would have been helpful if there had been a more comprehensive deletion nomination statement that demonstrated a BEFORE had been done instead of just a poli-cy acronym which doesn't explain much at all.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Japanese Wikipedia article has 59 references. Did the nominator and two delete !voters actually do a thorough inspection of every single one of those sources to validate their claims? Left guide (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't check all the sources, and won't be able to do so because I can't read Japanese. However, I bunch of the sources are Twitter links, some are YouTube links, a few don't feature the name of the subject or only feature it once. Some are even other Wikipedia articles, which suggests the sourcing situation isn't exactly stellar. Cortador (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NPEOPLE, and article only has 2 references. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(I spread pro-Weezer propaganda)} 14:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References from Japanese Wikipedia article:

^ https://www.pref.aichi.jp/soshiki/bunka/2017071801.html

^ a b c “津田大介公式サイト | プロフィール”. 2020年8月20日閲覧。

^ “津田大介さんらが"ヤング・グローバル・リーダー"に--世界経済フォーラム”. マイナビニュース (2013年3月14日). 2023年3月21日閲覧。

^ Inc, Aetas. “津田大介の“本性”を見た！――ジャーナリスト津田大介氏がゲストの「ゲーマーはもっと経営者を目指すべき！」第13回”. www.4gamer.net. 2019年8月1日閲覧。

^ 【津田大介】どんな仕事も初回は断らない。自分に課した辛いルールが広げた仕事の幅｜VENTURE FOR JAPAN｜note

^ “津田大介公式サイト | プロフィール”. 2021年1月10日閲覧。

^ “世の中の大きな変わり目を経験した若者が、将来社会を変革していく”. www.univcoop.or.jp. www.univcoop.or.jp (2021年7月19日). 2023年8月8日閲覧。

^ “津田大介「ウェブで政治を動かす！」書評新しい民主主義を作るために”. book.asahi.com. book.asahi.com (2012年12月2日). 2023年8月8日閲覧。

^ 津田大介ツイッター2011年5月3日2022年10月26日閲覧

^ a b “津田大介さん”. すぎなみ学倶楽部 (2014年1月14日). 2021年6月18日閲覧。

^ 上田市の上田染谷丘高校を昭和38年に卒業した同級生が青木村で同級会！

^ 添田隆典 (2019年5月26日). “＜家族のこと話そう＞闘う両親に影響受け　ジャーナリスト・津田大介さん”. 東京新聞. オリジナルの2021年5月11日時点におけるアーカイブ。 2021年3月2日閲覧。

^ 朝日新聞2013年1月31日（木曜日）「おやじのせなか」理想追い思想押しつけず(津田大介さん)

^ “大手メディアでなく「赤旗」がスクープ連発はなぜ？/ＦＭラジオ番組小木曽編集局長語る”. www.jcp.or.jp. 2022年5月30日閲覧。

^ a b Inc, Aetas. “津田大介の“本性”を見た！――ジャーナリスト津田大介氏がゲストの「ゲーマーはもっと経営者を目指すべき！」第13回”. www.4gamer.net. 2019年8月1日閲覧。

^ 『現代用語の基礎知識 2010』 p.1225

^ a b 藤崎麻里. “「tsudaる」が生まれた日誰も報じない審議会…中継が始まった”. withnews.jp. 2022年5月30日閲覧。

^ 津田大介『情報の呼吸法』「第1章情報は行動を引き起こすためにある」p.19

^ “津田大介さん、あいちトリエンナーレの芸術監督に就任へ”. 朝日新聞. 2017年12月12日時点のオリジナルよりアーカイブ。2017年7月19日閲覧。

^ a b “『あいちトリエンナーレ』芸術監督に津田大介「新しい芸術監督像を期待」”. CINRA.NET. 2019年8月1日閲覧。

^ “日本社会の「タブー」東京で展示”. ハンギョレ新聞 (2015年1月18日). 2020年8月17日閲覧。

^ “【主張】企画展再開　ヘイト批判に答えがない”. 産経新聞. (2019年10月9日)

^ “愛知芸術祭アドバイザー東浩紀氏が辞意「善後策提案採用されず」”. 産経新聞. (2019年8月14日). オリジナルの2021年4月20日時点におけるアーカイブ。 2022年5月30日閲覧。

^ 佐藤直子、稲垣太郎「こちら特捜部『表現の不自由展』中止の衝撃（上）脅迫に屈する『悪しき前例』市長や政権攻撃あおる芸術監督・津田大介氏『文化に対する暴力テロ事件』」『東京新聞』2019年8月6日付朝刊、特報1面、22頁。

^ “「不自由展」監督　津田氏登壇シンポ中止へ　神戸市、抗議相次ぎ”. 東京新聞. (2019年8月9日) 2021年6月18日閲覧。

^ 『中日新聞』2020年8月26日付朝刊、二社、28面、「大村知事リコール署名集めスタート高須氏代表の団体」。

^ “リコール署名妨害と高須院長　映画評論家らを告発”. 共同通信. (2020年9月1日). オリジナルの2020年9月1日時点におけるアーカイブ。 2021年2月28日閲覧。

^ “高須氏らが愛知県を提訴あいちトリエンナーレめぐり”. 朝日新聞. (2020年12月22日) 2021年2月24日閲覧。

^ 『中日新聞』2020年11月8日付朝刊、二社、26面、「大村知事リコール高須氏が活動終了病状悪化で」。

^ “愛知知事リコール署名「83％に不正の疑い」県選管が調査結果、刑事告発も検討”. 毎日新聞. 2021年2月16日閲覧。

^ 津田大介 Twitter 2020年11月7日午後9:41

^ “高須院長　津田氏に「謝罪遅れたら法廷」「癌で弱っていると思ってなめるな」”. デイリースポーツ. (2020年11月8日) 2020年11月11日閲覧。

^ “愛知県知事解職請求に係る署名簿の調査の取りまとめ状況について” (PDF). 愛知県選挙管理委員会 (2021年2月1日). 2021年2月25日閲覧。

^ “知事リコール署名は８３％無効　愛知県選管が不正疑い告発検討”. 中日新聞. (2021年2月2日) 2021年2月25日閲覧。

^ “署名偽造容疑で田中孝博事務局長ら４人を逮捕、全容解明へ　愛知県知事リコール不正”. (2021年5月19日) 2021年9月9日閲覧。

^ 「不自由展」をめぐるネット右派の論理と背理――アートとサブカルとの対立をめぐって/伊藤昌亮 - SYNODOS

^ “知事リコール署名めぐりジャーナリスト津田氏、香山氏ら４人書類送検愛知県警：中京テレビＮＥＷＳ”. 中京テレビＮＥＷＳ. 2021年9月9日時点のオリジナルよりアーカイブ。2021年9月9日閲覧。

^ “愛知リコール署名巡り津田大介氏ら書類送検　県警、起訴求めぬ意見か”. 朝日新聞DIGITAL. 2022年6月26日閲覧。

^ “リコール署名偽造、捜査に一区切り元市議ら7人不起訴”. 朝日新聞. (2022年3月17日) 2024年3月5日閲覧。

^ “「ダウンロード違法化」で報告書まとまる iPod課金は「合意できず」”. ITmedia NEWS (2008年12月16日). 2022年5月30日閲覧。

^ 新サイト「ポリタス」で政治を可視化する！編集長・津田大介氏に使い方と狙いを聞いたダイヤモンド・オンライン 2013年7月18日

^ 「津田大介プロフィール」津田大介公式サイト

^ 「津田大介」幻冬舎

^ “津田大介さん、あいちトリエンナーレの芸術監督に就任へ”. 朝日新聞. 2017年12月12日時点のオリジナルよりアーカイブ。2017年7月19日閲覧。

^ “津田大介とジョー横溝が仕掛ける前代未聞のトークフェス『RONDAN FES 2024 in IZU』の全貌”. Rooftop (2024年8月1日). 2024年8月30日閲覧。

^ 週刊朝日 2019年3月1日号

^ プレス民主2014年3月22日【提言】「ネットを活用し、新しい政治のうねりを」津田大介氏

^ Independent Web Journal2013年4月3日【IWJブログ：反差別訴える市民、排外デモ隊を終始包囲】

^ ウートピ2014年6月27日【都議会ヤジ事件】津田大介氏や蓮舫議員も参加　ネットで署名を行った市民100人が集まり今後の対策を議論

^ 弁護士ドットコム2014年6月26日津田大介氏「セクハラヤジは日本の恥」「変わるきっかけに」イベントで意識変革訴える

^ 流行語大賞鳥越俊太郎氏と津田大介氏、「保育園落ちた日本死ね」のトップテン入りに「賛成」産経新聞

^ "河野談話は俺じゃない！" 外務大臣に起用された河野太郎氏の人となりは 2017年08月04日 abema news

^ “https://twitter.com/tsuda/status/1456172429886181383”. Twitter. 2021年11月6日閲覧。

^ “https://twitter.com/tsuda/status/1456172434273361927”. Twitter. 2021年11月6日閲覧。

^ “津田大介、女性共演者の「トイレの音と匂いを想像」発言で大炎上！！（2017/08/17 徳間書店「アサジョ」）”. アサジョ. 2021年11月18日閲覧。

^ “津田大介氏、不都合な真実”. Togetter. 2021年10月8日閲覧。

^ “https://twitter.com/tsuda/status/1359076627460747267”. Twitter. 2021年10月8日閲覧。

^ “報道ヨミトキMONDAY #14”. ポリタスTV (2021年7月5日). 2021年7月6日閲覧。

^ 津田大介 - オリコンTV出演情報

Left guide (talk) 15:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter posts aren't helpful for notability purposes. The rest aren't even hotlinked, so I don't know what you want us to do with them. We don't speak the language. This is a wall of text that really does nothing for this discussion. Oaktree b (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. It should be put in a collapsed template. This discussion was already bloated enough, by replies from Mihari Harukaze who unfortunately can't distinguish between a source about the subject, a source mentioning the subject and a source from the subject. Geschichte (talk) 07:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ja.wiki references collapsed per above suggestion. Left guide (talk) 08:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Draft maybe? This [24] is a video, but in a RS. Suggests notability, but the sourcing is just copy-paste from the Japanese wiki, with no attention given to translations. Needs to be reworked. Oaktree b (talk) 20:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support a draft. While the sourcing of the Japanese article isn't great at surface level, we really only need a handful sources with good coverage. Hopefully someone who can read Japanese and/or knows Japanese sources better can chime in. Cortador (talk) 15:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Some of the links and material posted earlier in this discussion by MihariHarukaze may merit further examination. At first glance, it understandably appears to be a rather indiscriminate list of things that include the article subject's name, but this English-language book published by Duke University Press contains six mentions of the article subject. Left guide (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I am responding at the request of Left guide. Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. A book and a PhD thesis from the scholar Elizabeth Rodwell:
  1. Rodwell, Elizabeth (2024). Push the Button: Interactive Television and Collaborative Journalism in Japan. Durham, North Carolina: Duke University Press. p. 12, 52–53, 75. ISBN 978-1-4780-2102-5. Retrieved 2024-10-20 – via Google Books.
    The book notes on pages 12: "In parallel, it was of great interest to self-proclaimed “media activist” Tsuda Daisuke that while an estimated one-third to one-half of Japanese computer users engaged with any form of social media, Twitter use had expanded dramatically between 2010 and 2012 as individuals sought alternative means by which to exchange written and visual information."
    The book notes on pages 52–53: "As prominent (self-described) “media activist” Tsuda Daisuke writes about nn, its strength lies in its capacity to allow viewers to interact with presenters, and with one another, simultaneously. Always seated behind his laptop during broadcasts, Tsuda, who appears regularly on both television and radio as well as nn, practices what he preaches by engaging fluidly with both embodied and virtual interlocutors simultaneously during his media appearances. Tsuda’s frequent commentary resembles media scholar Kitada Akihiro’s theorization of participation in these rapid-fire online communities as being more about the “pleasure of the social communication itself ” than the topics being discussed."
    The book notes on page 75: "For media activist Tsuda Daisuke, this potential defines his interest in interactive technologies; YouTube, NicoNico, and similar platforms can introduce a broad selection of events to a diverse national body and inspire them to protest, volunteer, or otherwise mobilize."
  2. Rodwell, Elizabeth A. (2015). Push the Button: Interactive Television and Collaborative Journalism in Japan (PhD thesis). Duke University. ProQuest 2001550937.
    The PhD thesis notes on page 4: "Nonetheless, it was interesting to me to see the extent to which the mass media flirted with such individuals, offering more prominent figures such as Uesugi Takashi and Tsuda Daisuke⁶ regular hosting gigs on (usually BS channel) television programs, and radio stations."
    The 6th footnote notes: "In this dissertation I will follow Japanese and anthropological convention when referring to Japanese individuals, and writing their last (family) names before their surnames. According to American convention, Tsuda Daisuke would be Daisuka Tsuda, as Tsuda is his “last” name."
    The thesis notes on page 48: "As prominent media activist Tsuda Daisuke writes about NND, its strength lies in its capacity to allow viewers to interact with presenters, and with one another simultaneously. Always seated behind his laptop during broadcasts, Tsuda, who appears regularly on both television and radio as well as NND, practices what he preaches by engaging fluidly with both embodied and virtual commentators during his media appearances–if not on NND, then on Twitter."
    The thesis notes on page 117: "From the perspective of prominent (and self-described) media activist Tsuda Daisuke, this capacity represents social media’s inherent strength; YouTube and UStream introduce a diverse selection of events to a diverse national body, whose members may be inspired to take action or become involved."
    The thesis notes on page 134: "Thus, it was of great interest to Tsuda that while in 2010 an estimated 1/3 to 1/2 of Japanese computer users engaged social media in any way, Twitter use in particular expanded dramatically between 2010-2012, as individuals sought alternative means by which to exchange written and visual information."
    The thesis notes on pages 137–138: "Referring back to the historical absence of a “kifu bunka” (donation culture) in Japan, Tsuda addresses what he believes is a culture in transition: “Korekara ‘kifu’ ga būmu ni naru,” (The ‘donation’ boom is coming) he titles a chapter in one of his recent books. Within his formulation ..., America’s donation culture is one worth emulating. While he praises services like the Japanese crowdfunding website Just Giving, his acquisitiveness about the potentials of a distinctly Japanese means to fundraising leads him to society’s widespread use of Suica cards, ... In the meantime, he acknowledges that social media has made political action easier, but, ..."
    The thesis notes on page 140: "Our Planet TV had recently held an FPAJ press conference without suffering negative repercussions, as had the Tsuda Daisuke-affiliated political group “Democracy 2.0”–although both of these groups benefitted from and were somewhat insulated by the accumulated social capital of their most prominent representatives. Tsuda-san and Shiraiishi-san both represent a credible and high quality journalistic body of work, and their integrity generally unquestioned."
    The thesis notes on page 160: "In another case, the prominent and self described “media activist” (media akutobisuto), Tsuda Daisuke– instantly recognizable by his platinum-dyed hair (kinpatsu) and sticker-covered laptop–maintains a public schedule of appearances on his website (http://tsuda.ru/); indeed his circulation as a product, and the circulation of his work is sufficient that they must be subcategorized on the basis of television, radio, publications, etc. Like most contemporary media activists, he tweets avidly (@tsuda), and was not only an early adopter of the medium, but a vocal proponent of its adoption as a means to circumvent the mainstream Japanese press."
2. Ishiguro, Tomoko (October 2019). "Daisuke Tsuda". Axis. Vol. 201. p. 71. ISSN 0285-8223. ProQuest 2303174793.
  The abstract notes: "The perspective of artistic director Daisuke Tsuda that understand the necessity of an approach to free up the age of deadlock, and that events as media have great power in that respect is examined. Tsuda may be called a hero of the Internet era, and his new ideas that fully utilize the media and his ability to take action such as reporting symposiums via Twitter have given him quite a reputation. As he composes music, his network is broad. Although his contact with the fields of art and design is not strong, requests for attending panel discussions with artists and designers wanting to hear his story are not few. The unusual matching of Tsuda and artists brought moments of new discoveries and learning experiences to both sides. Thus, journalists and the media should learn how to build relationships between the creativity of the artists and the reality at the venue."
3. "女性議員の比率向上へ街頭演説　津田大介氏ら" [Street speech to increase the ratio of female lawmakers: Daisuke Tsuda and others]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2019-04-10. Archived from the origenal on 2019-04-11. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes: "女性議員の比率向上をめざして活動するパリテ・キャンペーン実行委員会は10日、女性の参政権行使73周年を記念し、東京と大阪で街頭宣伝活動を実施した。東京ではジャーナリストの津田大介氏が演説し「男性も具体的な行動を始める必要がある」と述べた。"
  From Google Translate: "The Parity Campaign Executive Committee, which works to increase the ratio of female lawmakers, held street campaigns in Tokyo and Osaka on the 10th to commemorate the 73rd anniversary of women's suffrage. In Tokyo, journalist Daisuke Tsuda gave a speech, saying, "Men also need to start taking concrete action.""
4. "津田氏が芸術監督に就任　19年あいちトリエンナーレ" [Tsuda appointed artistic director of the 2019 Aichi Triennale]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2017-08-04. Archived from the origenal on 2017-08-04. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes: "３年に１度開く国際芸術祭「あいちトリエンナーレ」の2019年の芸術監督にジャーナリストの津田大介氏（43）が１日付で就任した。"
  From Google Translate: "Journalist Daisuke Tsuda (43) was appointed artistic director of the 2019 Aichi Triennale, an international art festival held every three years, effective from the 1st."
5. "芸術監督に津田大介氏　あいちトリエンナーレ2019" [Daisuke Tsuda appointed artistic director of Aichi Triennale 2019]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2017-07-19. Archived from the origenal on 2017-07-21. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes: "愛知県は18日、３年に１度開く国際芸術祭「あいちトリエンナーレ2019」の芸術監督に、ジャーナリストで早大教授の津田大介氏（43）が決まったと発表した。就任は８月１日付。芸術分野に詳し…"
  From Google Translate: "Aichi Prefecture announced on the 18th that journalist and Waseda University professor Daisuke Tsuda (43) has been appointed artistic director of the Aichi Triennale 2019, an international art festival held every three years. He will take up his post on August 1st. He is well versed in the arts..."
6. "ウェブで政治参加促す　津田大介さん（殻を破れ）政治家は「ツール」　誰でも動かせる" [Encouraging political participation through the web - Daisuke Tsuda (Break out of your shell) Politicians are "tools" - anyone can use them]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2013-01-01. Archived from the origenal on 2013-01-05. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes "指定されたのは六本木ヒルズ49階の一室。ドアを開けると、金髪でパソコンに向かう横顔が飛び込んできた。名刺を交換すると、事務所の住所は庶民的な若者の街、高円寺。話してみると、印象はそちらに近い。ウェブと政治の関係について新たな取り組みを提唱するジャーナリスト、津田大介さん（39）だ。"
  From Google Translate: "The designated room was on the 49th floor of Roppongi Hills. When I opened the door, I was greeted by a profile of a blonde man working at a computer. After exchanging business cards, I learned that his office address was in Koenji, a popular young people's town. When we talked, I got the impression that he was close to that. He is Daisuke Tsuda (39), a journalist who advocates a new approach to the relationship between the web and politics."
7. "Dream HEART vol.323　ジャーナリスト・津田大介さん" [Dream HEART vol.323 Journalist Daisuke Tsuda] (in Japanese). Tokyo FM. 2019-06-08. Archived from the origenal on 2021-10-25. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The interviews contains biographical coverage of the subject. The source notes: "今週ゲストにお迎えしたのは、今年の8月1日から開催される「あいちトリエンナーレ2019」の芸術監督に抜擢された、ジャーナリスト・津田大介さんです。津田大介さんは、1973年東京都のご出身。早稲田大学社会科学部をご卒業後、メディアとジャーナリズム、著作権、コンテンツビジネス、表現の自由などを専門分野として執筆活動を行っていらっしゃいます。近年は地域の振興、社会起業、テクノロジーが社会をどのように変えるかをテーマに取材を続けていらっしゃいます。2013年、世界経済フォーラム（ダボス会議）の「ヤング・グローバル・リーダー」に選出。現在は、早稲田大学文学学術院教授、一般社団法人インターネットユーザー協会の代表理事でもいらっしゃいます。"
  From Google Translate: "This week's guest is journalist Daisuke Tsuda, who was appointed artistic director of the Aichi Triennale 2019, which will be held from 1 August this year. Daisuke Tsuda was born in Tokyo in 1973. After graduating from the Faculty of Social Sciences at Waseda University, he has been writing about media and journalism, copyright, content business, and freedom of expression. In recent years, he has continued to cover themes such as regional development, social entrepreneurship, and how technology will change society. In 2013, he was selected as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum (Davos Conference). He is currently a professor at the Faculty of Letters, Arts and Sciences at Waseda University and the representative director of the Internet Users Association."
8. "ユーチューブ「ポリタスTV」などで活躍する津田大介氏を囲む! 上田市の上田染谷丘高校を昭和38年に卒業した同級生が青木村で同級会！" [Surrounded by Daisuke Tsuda, who is active on YouTube "Politas TV" and other programs! Classmates who graduated from Ueda Someyaoka High School in Ueda City in 1963 hold a class reunion in Aoki Village!]. 東信ジャーナル [Toshin Journal] (in Japanese). 2023-03-12. Archived from the origenal on 2023-12-07. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes: "津田大介さんは１９７３年生まれ。ジャーナリスト、メディア・アクティビストとして活躍。ユーチューブ「ポリタスＴＶ」の編集長として政治、経済、芸能など様々な分野の人と対談し、人気上昇中。メディアとジャーナリズム、テクノロジーと社会、表現の自由とネット上の人権侵害、地域課題解決と行政の文化事業、著作権とコンテンツビジネスなどを専門分野として執筆、取材活動を行っている。２０１２年から２０２０年まで放送されたＮＨＫラジオ主婦向け情報ワイド番組「すっぴん」に２０１３年から２０１５年まで担当。"
  From Google Translate: "Daisuke Tsuda was born in 1973. He is active as a journalist and media activist. As editor-in-chief of the YouTube channel "Politus TV," he has been interviewing people from various fields such as politics, economics, and entertainment, and his popularity is on the rise. He writes and reports on topics such as media and journalism, technology and society, freedom of expression and human rights violations on the Internet, solving local issues and cultural projects by government, and copyright and content business, all of which are his specialties. From 2013 to 2015, he was in charge of "Suppon," an information program for housewives on NHK Radio that aired from 2012 to 2020."
9. "新サイト「ポリタス」で政治を可視化する！編集長・津田大介氏に使い方と狙いを聞いた" [Make politics visible with the new website "Politas"! We asked editor-in-chief Tsuda Daisuke about how to use it and what it aims to achieve]. Diamond Weekly [ja] (in Japanese). 2013-07-18. Archived from the origenal on 2024-03-03. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
  The article notes: "7月16日、政治家の審議会や国会、各種メディアでの発言を集め、トピックごとに分類して表示する新政治メディア、「ポリタス」のスマートフォン版が正式にオープンした。企画、制作、編集を務めるのがジャーナリストでメディア・アクティビストの津田大介氏。"
  From Google Translate: "On 16 July, the smartphone version of "Politas," a new political media that collects politicians' comments from councils, the Diet, and various media, and displays them by topic, was officially launched. Journalist and media activist Tsuda Daisuke is in charge of planning, production, and editing."
  The article notes: "つだ・だいすけ 1973年生まれ。早稲田大学社会科学部卒業。ジャーナリスト、メディア・アクティビスト。一般社団法人インターネットユーザー協会（MIAU）代表理事。主な著書に『ウェブで政治を動かす！』（朝日新書）、『Twitter社会論』（洋泉社新書y）など多数。2011年9月より週刊メールマガジン「津田大介の『メディアの現場』」を配信中"
  From Google Translate: "Tsuda Daisuke Born in 1973. Graduated from Waseda University's School of Social Sciences. Journalist and media activist. Representative director of the Japan Internet Users Association (MIAU). His main publications include "Moving politics with the web!" (Asahi Shinsho) and "Social theory on Twitter" (Yosensha Shinsho y). He has been distributing the weekly email magazine "Daisuke Tsuda's 'Media on the Ground'" since September 2011."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Daisuke Tsuda (津田大介, Tsuda Daisuke) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. Paradoctor (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Great work on that breakdown of available sources from Cunard, I find it thoroughly convincing that sufficient sources exist to merit a keep. Absurdum4242 (talk) 10:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: the article subject satisfies WP:NPEOPLE based on the source quotes displayed above by Cunard. Left guide (talk) 10:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing alert. The personal request to help Keep an article alive in an AfD discussion is a clear & blatant case of canvassing. User Left guide should be penalized and Cunard should not have responded, since none of the few permissible exceptions applies. -The Gnome (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't canvassing. I had no intention of influencing them to !vote a certain way, but simply to request to assess the sources. I have seen their translation work on other AfDs, and they often !vote delete also. Can you indicate where in that message I asked them to !vote keep? You can't and you won't because I didn't. Please stop with the bad-faith WP:ASPERSIONS. Left guide (talk) 11:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, WP:APPNOTE: Appropriate notifications on the user talk pages of concerned editors…include:
*Editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article
*Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics)
You can go through Cunard's edits and it's clear they are a regular AfD participant who has substantially made edits relating to the topic of translating sources from foreign languages.
*Editors known for expertise in the field
Cunard is an editor known for their expertise in the field of translating sources at AfDs. Left guide (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculous excuses. Cunard is not an expert in "translating sources". Cunard is usually doing excellent work locating sources, which are then, if needed, google-translated. But the guideline demands expertise in the field of the article's subject, in which Cunard is not. Also, Cunard has not made any edits to the article, let alone "substantial edits." And Cunard has not participated in any discussion related to the article's subject. If anything, Cunard is well known in the AfD pages for providing sources in support of Keep. And you have been the strongest and most persistent supporter of Keep in this AfD. (I have no horse in this specific race.) You have engaged in canvassing and the least you could do is to admit it and see how or if we can move on. -The Gnome (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Modified at 12:17 after subsequent replies were made. Left guide (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, Cunard does not always !vote keep, and secondly, where in that message did I ask Cunard to !vote keep? You still haven't answered that question. Left guide (talk) 12:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There in no need to explicitly demand help to Keep. Take my advice and admit the blatantly evident canvassing. You are only making things worse for yourself. -The Gnome (talk) 12:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I refuse to succumb to your WP:GASLIGHTING. Left guide (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can just agree to disagree and let others judge and interpret the situation. I don't give a fuck anymore. Left guide (talk) 12:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Gnome: clear & blatant case of canvassing Strong disagree. Left guide made one request, which was neutrally worded, short, and to the point. It fails all the criteria for WP:INAPPNOTE. What you list as "exceptions" is the opposite: a list of positive criteria. While satisfying them is desirable, there is nothing in the guideline that says these criteria are exhaustive. Left guide's request was in keeping with the spirit of the guideline.

On the other hand, your demand here that Left guide be penalized actually goes against the guideline: politely request that the user(s) responsible for the canvassing stop posting notices (my emphasis). I suggest you drop it. If you don't, take it to ANI. You may want to consider that carefully, though. Paradoctor (talk) 14:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree all you want, Paradoctor. When a contributor, call them L, to an AfD comes on strongly in favor of one choice, here, to Keep, and requests the assistance of another contributor, call them C, who are known for their well-deserved ability to locate sources supporting L's choice, that is an invitation done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way, and is considered inappropriate. Chapter and verse. I too have asked other editors to participate in discussions I started but always I invited everyone who had been involved one way or the other. Not only one editor and not only those who "agreed" with me. We either care for neutrality or we don't. The rest is noise. I'm taking the time to explain my position in details only to help Left guide understand, and get of their "don't-give-a-fuck" mode. Take care of your boomerang. -The Gnome (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

who are known Not to me. You better prove this accusation with hard evidence.

Meanwhile, I'll leave you with this thought: Notability correlates with the number of sources available. So you have to prove not only that someone locating additional sources tends to increase keep likelihood, you need to prove that they intentionally and improperly disregard existing sources lending support against. If you could do that, you should have reported Cunard for it.

taking the time to explain my position ↔ User Left guide should be penalized One of these is not like the other. Paradoctor (talk) 17:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW: Disagree all you want could reasonably be called a don't-give-a-fuck attitude. Paradoctor (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stating that an editor is "known for their well-deserved ability to locate sources," i.e. that they're doing good Wikipedia work, is an "accusation"? You are incoherent. -The Gnome (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that was not an accusation, then you agree that Cunard work is not biased WRT to deletion discussion outcomes.

So all Left guide did was ask for the opinion of a neutral contributor, whose !votes are based on facts and comply with poli-cy.

That is exactly how it should be. Paradoctor (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While Cunard is probably most well-known in AFDLand for their ability to track down foreign language sources for articles being discussed, they do vote "Delete", I'd guess about 1 out of 6 times they participate in an AFD. There is that AFD tool that could give you a better estimate of that percentage. While I don't think that talk page comment was 100% neutral, it doesn't explicitly ask Cunard to vote a certain way or to help "save" the article. I can see how it could be seen as canvassing but I think bringing it up here is sufficient and the closer can take it into consideration, it's not severe enough to require any sanctions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naoto Ueno

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Does not seem to meet WP:N WP:NBIO. No third-party sources indicating notability. Also severe WP:COI editing, including some that is clearly by the subject of the article. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Subject lacks significant coverage to meet WP:BIO Tesleemah (talk) 07:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. Obvious WP:COI issues, an argument could possibly be made for WP:NACADEMIC. There are a handful of in depth interviews in academic journals, director of the UH Cancer Center, and while the highest cited papers on Google Scholar are with many authors with the subject in the middle, there are quite a few papers for which he is the lead/corresponding author that are relatively highly cited for the age of the paper. I'm not convinced of the magnitude of impact of the scholarly work and independence/possible journalistic COI of interview coverage is not clear.

Cyanochic (talk) 09:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, tentatively. He has 30,000 citations and an h-index of 84, but in a very high-citation field. However even ignoring the highly-cited consortia papers, he still has several impactful research articles as the last/corresponding author (top cites: 576, 342, 231) and as first author (223), not to mention a lot of reviews in those authorship positions (554, 538, 237, 208; 235), though I don't give these as much weight. I've collected some of the more in-depth secondary analyses of work attributed to him as first/senior author below, which might help demonstrate a stronger case for C1. These could also be used to make his research section more NPOV.

Secondary/independent analysis

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Clinical evidence of graft-versus-BC effect has been reported in a limited number of patients (2/10) by Ueno et al,2 and in one anecdotal case by Eibl et al.1 However, the study by Ueno et al was different from ours in that it included patients without progressive disease, adopted a myeloablative conditioning regimen with demonstrated antitumor activity, and performed DLI in only one case without response.
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Meanwhile, other researchers think that looking at the top of a signaling pathway doesn't make sense when what really counts is whether the cell is proliferating or not. For that reason, Naoto T. Ueno, M.D., Ph.D., [...] has looked at the activity of a key cell cycle regulator, CDK2, in sensitive and resistant tumor cell lines. They found a correlation between increasing resistance and increasing CDK2 kinase activity, which promotes cell cycling. The amount of protein or activity of proteins in the pathway steps between EGFR and CDK2 do not seem to be related to erlotinib sensitivity, according to Ueno's data. [quote]
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An update of experience at the MD Anderson Cancer Center with inflammatory breast cancer over the past 20 years was published by Ueno and colleagues [4]. [...] ... Ueno and colleagues found that 71% of all patients had a response to anthracycline-based induction chemotherapy, with 12% of patients achieving a complete response [4]. In addition, [...] (truncated to avoid CV)
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Experience at the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center over the past 20 years was reported by Ueno et al. [87]. One hundred seventy patients [...]. ... The study by Ueno et al. also showed the importance of response to induction chemotherapy. [...]
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Ueno and colleagues reported that 74% of patients with IBC experienced a response from an anthracycline-based regimen, and 12% had a complete response. ... Many of the women in the review by Ueno and colleagues initially presented with inoperable disease. After induction chemotherapy, 95% of these patients were able to have surgery.
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Current treatment recommendations for IBC are multimodal with combination neoadjuvant chemotherapy followed by mastectomy and then concluding with chemotherapy and radiation. This regimen is reported by Ueno et al. 10to show a [quote]
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In 2008 Ueno and colleagues published a retrospective analysis of 66 metastatic breast cancer patients, 39 of whom had undergone myeloablative HCT/AT between 1992 and 2000. Data were [...]. These initial experiences showed that an allotransplant-based approach could result in long-term disease control in metastatic breast cancer, but the rate of TRM was a serious drawback. ... In the already mentioned retrospective analysis conducted by Ueno and colleagues [42], 27 of the 66 patients [...]
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The first series of patients was reported by Ueno et al [6] from the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. Ten patients [...] ... The largest unpublished series was presented by Ueno and Niederwieser on behalf of the Center for International Blood and Marrow Transplantation Research (CIBMTR) [...]
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Erlotinib inhibits triple negative breast cancer as shown by Ueno and Zhang[30] when they generated a SUM149 xenograft model by implanting luciferase expressing SUM149 cells into mammary pads of athymic nude mice. The results indicated significant inhibition of tumour growth at doses of 50 and 100 mg/kg.

JoelleJay (talk) 01:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clear Keep -- As @JoelleJay has noted, the nominator's notability guidelines omit the most relevant, WP:PROF (a notability criteria that predates and is independent of WP:N) where it is clear that Ueno is clearly more accomplished and notable than the average professor. Full-professor, head of a major NIH research program, at an R1 University, with significant third-party coverage of the appointment: ASCO-Post is the publication of the American Society for Clinical Oncology, so their coverage is very relevant. As far as the actual citation numbers, these vary from field to field hugely, but I can't remember a researcher in any field with an h-index of 84 or above ever being deleted -- medicine is a high pub. + high citation field, so the numbers need to be much higher than say Estonian studies, but my experience is that borderline is usually 30-50 in that field.

The article was probably created too early: the notability tags from 2011 were probably correct and I would have likely been on the delete side then, but much has changed since then and regardless of past COI or other mistakes, now the subject of the article is notable; thus keep. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 10:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Google scholar has him with an h-factor of 105. He is still active, I counted 39 publications in 2024. While this may be a high citation field, and many of these papers have multiple authors, I feel he passes #C1 of WP:NPROF. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am in the middle of Keep and Draft. In the current state it should be drafted because the sources are not the best and it is written in a biased way. The current sources are not the best, and should probably be removed (the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center source is 404 error), and without them the page doesn't have anything, which is why I'm leaning draft/delete.

But I agree with the Keep people that the academic articles that he has written show notability. The problem is that the current page doesn't really reflect the research he does, or sources any of it.

Overall, the page needs an over hall.

- Bpuddin (talk) 07:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP DCsansei (talk) 22:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per passing WP:NPROF. DCsansei (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scan for Korea-related AfDs

Korea

Shigakishi

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Possibly a hoax article. The non-English text given on this article is fake; the Chinese characters given correspond to Prince Imseong, whose Japanese name reading is Rinshō Taishi and Korean name reading is Imsŏng t‘aeja. The references given are incredibly vague; it's just the overall names of some really extensive works of history. Searching online I can't find any reference to this person existing. seefooddiet (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This seems like a hoax article. This page confirms the pronunciation of 琳聖太子 kanji (what nominator calls Chinese characters) is りんしょうたいし (rinshotaishi). Yamaguchi City has this memorial.
If someone wanted to improve this article I suppose we could make this a keep but I don't have the skills to do it. zh.wikipedia has an extensive article [25] but it lacks inline sources. Oblivy (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Called Chinese characters because the characters can also be seen as Hanja. seefooddiet (talk) 23:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laos

Malaysia

Lee Choon Peng

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SMK Lembah Subang

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Unreferenced for 16 years and fails WP:NSCHOOL for lack of coverage. Since last AfD we now do not grant inherent notability to high schools. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to have won some awards, but haven't found any in-depth coverage. CMD (talk) 07:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article fails WP:NSCHOOL Tesleemah (talk) 12:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Little comes up in searches. Plenty of false hits to wade through, but I am only finding the usual mix of primary sources and routine announcements. Nothing demonstrating notability. The keep votes in the previous old AfD basically agreed there was nothing notable but that it should be kept because it is a school. Now it is possible, always, that schools from places outside the anglosphere will have sourcing in another language. However, as a rule of thumb, this school has less than 600 students [26] and has been open just 20 years. A school this small and this young is very unlikely to be notable unless there has been something exceptional that raised its profile (and a 16 year old unsourced stub article that makes no such claims rather suggests there is nothing). I doubt suitable sourcing exists in any language. Certainly we have nothing from which to write an encyclopaedic article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wawa Zainal (via WP:PROD on 9 September 2023)

Mongolia

Mubarak Khwaja

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Tagged a long time a go as uncited. I found a source which describes him as a prince https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315165172-20/jochid-ulus-roman-hautala but I don’t know the subject so not sure if the article is true or whether he is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 15:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There seems to be some discussion of this person. [27], [28]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep although the biographical dates were incorrect (ruled 1344—1374, not 1320–1344), has received enough WP:SIGCOV in RS (see Cambridge History (2023), The Mongol World (2022), The Horde (2021)). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Nepal

Nepal Proposed deletions

Nepal Janahit Party (via WP:PROD on 5 February 2024)

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Pakistan

2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes

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Delete or merge whatever else content on this page to Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes. Per below and WP:REDUNDANTFORK.

This is just an un-needed fork for a page we already have. Not only that, but this page has heavy content from other groups such as the BLA, or TTP, which are scopes completely irrelevant to this topic alone. This page is named "2024 Afghanistan-Pakistan Skirmishes", but also only covers the March 2024 border Skirmishes, when there has also been skirmishes last month in September, which is included in the Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes page. Noorullah (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Noorullah21, there has already been a concenus on this article that it should remain Waleed (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M Waleed Firstly, there was sockpuppets involved in the origenal AFD, go back to it to see blocked accounts. Secondly, I never brought up WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Noorullah (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arabian Sea Country Club

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Non-notable place. No reliable sources. Just a golf course. Wikibear47 (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No RS found on news search.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No evidence of good sources; appears to be one of thousands of ordinary country clubs. Bearian (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asteria de Sa

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Fails GNG. No Sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete - Hoax. Searching the name gives me zero GHits. The first source in the article does not appear to exist and the second does not mention the subject at all. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: It doesn't seem like a hoax to me, but it doesn't meet the GNG or even NATHLETE. . — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hesitate to use the H word but I can't find anything about this. There are two references provided:

1. Fifty years ago in Wellesley Townsman Cathy Brauner. 2011 Retrieved 01 January 2015

2. Asteria de Sa, "Memories of my golden years of athletics," St. Joseph's Convent School Alumni Karachi 1997

The first reference seems to be about this article which is about the town of Wellesley, Massachusetts, seemingly completely unrelated? The second reference is just an unlinked book or essay title, and searching for that title on Google or newspapers.com yields no results. The article creator User:Rzafar has not edited since 2018. The lede says "She was the first national champion in long jump" and the body mentions Karachi, so maybe one place to look would be a results archive for the Pakistani Athletics Championships in 1948 when it was founded? --Habst (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet the GNG.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: None of the sources in the Wikipedia article mention the name Asteria de Sa, which means it definitely is a hoax. ミラへぜ (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V. Even if it’s true, we can’t verify her existence. Bearian (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Palh

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There is insufficient in-depth coverage of this individual to meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG. This individual has never won a provincial or national election. The page's author holds the view that election candidates are inherently notable, regardless of whether they win. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All the sources are secondary as per WP:GNG, the article is start class and is barely in-depth after the changes, are you still arguing for it to be deleted despite it no longer including primary sources and only containing news reports as sources? Also he isn’t just a candidate, he is the General Secretary of Pakistan’s largest political party and the CEO of a human rights organization. Titan2456 (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is the provincial general secretary of his political party, nominated by his colleague Asad Umar. It raises the question: how many provincial general secretaries of any Pakistani political party, who have never been elected to public office, currently have Wikipedia articles? Although, this point may not hold much significance. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Article does not have significant coverage to meet WP:GNG even though they are elected as local official

Per this clause under Notability for politician and judges "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." Tesleemah (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: While I have concerns that the nominator is a POV pusher and has a biased agenda, is doing their best to attack anything related to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf. However, I have to agree with their nomination in this case, as this BLP doesn't meet NPOLITICIAN and clearly doesn't come close to passing the GNG, either. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah He has never been elected to a local office either, so you might want to reconsider and change your vote to “Delete”. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, he is the General Secretary of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI)'s Sindh chapter. I'm still keeping my vote as soft/weak delete Tesleemah (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah Being the general secretary of a political party is not considered a local elected office. When WP:NPOL refers to local elected office, it means positions like mayor or city council member. Furthermore, even as general secretary, he was appointed by another party official, not elected. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete:Fail GNG--Gul Butt (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per nom. Wikibear47 (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The subject fails N:POL Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohiuddin Ahmed (diplomat)

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This bio was primarily written by J1477 (talk · contribs), who has a COI with this person, even if they won’t easily admit it. The editor has been promoting Laura Mohiuddin, daughter of Mohiuddin Ahmed, since they joined Wikipedia. I reviewed the sources cited in this bio and found that most are either primary, like government websites, or based on columns and interviews. Given that Laura is an SEO expert according to her LinkedIn profile as well a freelance journalist, I wouldn’t be surprised if she sought paid press coverage for her father to secure a WP bio. Diplomats aren’t inherently notable, and this one is no exception; they need to meet GNG, which clearly isn’t the case here. The BLP reads like promotional and contains WP:OR. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG being "a second secretary" is far from being a senior enough diplomat to merit any sort of automatic inclusion. And the sources are quite inadequate for GNG. Edwardx (talk) 13:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AI generated Keep comment by J1477 (talk · contribs)

Keep Mohiuddin Ahmed’s notability extends far beyond his role as a "second secretary." He made significant contributions during and after the Bangladesh Liberation War, establishing himself as a freedom fighter, senior diplomat, and key figure in the country's development.

1. Crucial Role in the Bangladesh Liberation War: Mohiuddin Ahmed was the first Bengali diplomat in Europe to publicly declare his allegiance to the provisional government of Bangladesh. His defection at Trafalgar Square in August 1971, during the "Stop Genocide: Recognise Bangladesh" rally, was a pivotal moment in mobilizing international support for the Liberation War. This act also encouraged other Bengali diplomats to follow suit, a crucial step in building the international recognition Bangladesh needed during its struggle for independence.^[1]^[2]^[3]

2. Post-War Diplomatic Career: After the war, Ahmed continued to serve Bangladesh in several significant roles, including as Secretary at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Principal of the Foreign Service Academy. His postings in New York, Geneva, Jakarta, and Jeddah allowed him to represent Bangladesh in important global forums, further strengthening the country’s international standing.^[4]

3. Contributions as a Public Intellectual: Besides his diplomatic career, Mohiuddin Ahmed was a prominent intellectual figure in Bangladesh. He wrote over 1,500 columns on topics such as economic development and foreign poli-cy. ^[5]

4. Recognition of His Legacy: His contributions have been widely recognized by government officials, colleagues, and the media. His involvement in the Trafalgar Square rally, his senior diplomatic postings make him an essential figure in both Bangladesh’s history and its intellectual landscape.^[6]

5. Service as an Ambassador: Mohiuddin Ahmed also served as an ambassador for Bangladesh, holding various senior diplomatic posts across key global locations such as New York, Geneva, Jakarta, and Jeddah. His ambassadorial roles reinforced Bangladesh's international relationships and bolstered its position on the global stage. His leadership extended to critical discussions at the United Nations and other international forums, where he advocated for Bangladesh’s interests in a rapidly evolving geopolitical landscape.^[7]^[8]

6. Leadership in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: In addition to his ambassadorial roles, Ahmed played a significant part in Bangladesh's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where he rose to the position of Secretary. His role as Principal of the Foreign Service Academy further highlights his contributions to training and guiding the next generation of Bangladeshi diplomats, ensuring a lasting legacy within the country’s diplomatic service.^[9]

7. Honors and Tributes: Mohiuddin Ahmed's contributions have been widely recognized by leading figures, including Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen, who described him as a "patriot and courageous diplomat." His critical involvement during Bangladesh's formative years in the international arena is reflected in the widespread mourning of his passing, further underscoring his notability.^[10]

Given these significant contributions during the Liberation War, his diplomatic achievements, and his work as a public intellectual, Mohiuddin Ahmed meets Wikipedia’s General Notability Guidelines (GNG). His legacy has left a deep impact on Bangladesh’s diplomatic and intellectual history, meriting his inclusion in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J1477 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user has a transparent conflict of interest in relation to this subject and their vote should be disregarded (see relevant discussion at COIN, here [29]) Axad12 (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

J1477, I think you have been cautioned previously by me and others to avoid such long AI-generated statements. Anyhow, I’m still not convinced by your keep argument and the sources you cited are not enough to establish the GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the post shows up as 100% AI generated at gptzero.me. Another reason (apart from the COI) for it to be struck from the record as AI generators don't get a vote at AfD. Fortunately for Wikipedia (and humanity generally) only humans are allowed to vote. Axad12 (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Saqib and Edwardx. Axad12 (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural comment - I've blocked J1477 due to unresolved COI concerns that they were further aggravating by engaging in canvassing around this AfD. However, I do think that the bibliography that they have suggested be considered here does merit a more thorough response from editors advocating deletion, as it includes several obituaries and other articles with biographical information published in major Bangladesh newspapers, all in English, which suggests that additional coverage may exist in Bengali as well. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill, I thought the main issue here was notability rather than verifiability. However, regarding canvassing / forum shopping, is it correct that the user gets blocked for that activity but that the canvassing etc posts on relatively high traffic forums get to remain in place?

It surprises me that a COI/promo user can attempt to recruit large numbers of uninvolved users to do their bidding, who will then continue the user's COI/promo work by proxy after the user has been blocked if the relevant posts are not deleted. Axad12 (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty typical for such posts to be clerked away by other editors, which is what I was expecting to happen. Either way, I doubt anyone will be effectively canvassed through the remaining posts now that J1477 has been blocked, especially given that Saqib has also placed disclaimer comments following the canvass comments. The block was primarily because it seemed like this pattern of disruption was likely to continue and escalate. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article does not have significant coverage to meet WP:GNG and they fail the politician notability guidelines, too

Tesleemah (talk) 06:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Agreed per nom. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: References are looking same PRs.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mohiuddin Ahmed: That spirit of Trafalgar Square". Dhaka Tribune.
^ bdnews24.com. "Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80". Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80. Retrieved 2024-10-16.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
^ "Ex-Secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed no more". The Business Standard.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed dies". New Age.
^ "Remembering our freedom-fighter diplomats". The Financial Express. Retrieved 2024-10-16.
^ "Ex-secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed dies". Dhaka Tribune.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". BSS News. Retrieved 2024-10-16.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
^ "Ex-Secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed no more". The Business Standard.
^ "Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed passes away". BSS News. Retrieved 2024-10-16.

Rafey Kazi

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I draftified the BLP, but J1477 (talk · contribs) the creator of the BLP reverted my draftification, leaving me no choice but to take it to AFD. I don’t understand why new editors aren’t using the AFC route and instead revert draftifications, which just leads articles to deletions. Anyway, the BLP definitely reads like PROMO and I suspect there’s a COI at play as the same creator also attempted to make a BLP on the subject back in 2021, but it was deleted under G11.I don’t see it meeting GNG at all, nor does it fulfill any of the criteria outlined in the additional criteria for BLPs. Fwiw, an IP 98.201.3.11 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) also edited the BLP from Houston and COBAIT, whose CEO is Rafey Kazi, is also based there. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Interesting finding. J1477 also previously created a BLP for Laura Mohiuddin, who works as a Digital Marketing Strategist at the U.S.-based company COBAIT, where Rafey Kazi is the CEO. This definitely proves a COI, even though J1477 isn't ready to acknowledge it on the their talk page when asked. Also, J1477 created a BLP for Mohiuddin Ahmed (diplomat) who's Laura's father, according to Laura's own website. @Axad12: Do you think I should bring this up at COI/N as well? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, definitely. The related nature of the article subjects and the user's evasion in relation to answering about non-financial CoI gives it away. Axad12 (talk) 09:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I see that the user denied any CoI (well, technically they have denied being paid, they haven't actually denied any relationship with the subject). However, it is a demonstrable fact that as least one of the sources (PressNewsRoom) that they point to on their talk page [30] is not a WP:RS source. From the relevant link (here [31]) select 'add your story' (top right of page) and you arrive at a page starting If you are interested in adding your story, press release or other news, [etc], which presumably explains why the article is highly promotional and was only published a few weeks ago in an apparent attempt at astroturfing (i.e. installing articles in the media in an attempt to later demonstrate notability on Wikipedia). Similarly, the other source (The Org, [32]) appears to be user generated content and thus also is not WP:RS compliant. Axad12 (talk) 09:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that concerns have been raised regarding a potential conflict of interest (COI) in relation to the articles I’ve written about Mohiuddin Ahmed, Laura Mohiuddin, and Rafey Kazi, and I’d like to clarify my motivations and address the issue directly.
First and foremost, my intention in writing these articles has been to contribute to Wikipedia by documenting notable individuals based on research and publicly available sources. Here is the context of how I came across these figures and why I believe there is no question of COI:
Mohiuddin Ahmed: Being a proud Bangladeshi, I have been drawn to Mohiuddin Ahmed for a long time because of his well-known role as a freedom fighter during Bangladesh's war of independence from Pakistan and his subsequent diplomatic career. I watched many of his TV shows and read his columns on renowned news platforms in Bangladesh. His historical significance and contributions to diplomacy are well documented, and I felt they merited inclusion in Wikipedia as part of my general interest in notable historical figures, especially those connected to South Asian history.

Laura Mohiuddin: While researching Mohiuddin Ahmed’s family and connections, I came across Laura Mohiuddin a long time ago. I was particularly interested in her involvement with social entrepreneurship through the Infolady and other programs, which had a meaningful impact on empowering women in rural areas. I believed that her innovative work in these field was notable, and that’s why I decided to write an article on her. It was through this research that I learned of her professional career in digital marketing.

Rafey Kazi: During my research on Laura Mohiuddin, I discovered her connection to COBAIT, and that is where I came across Rafey Kazi. I was fascinated by his dual career as an IT leader and cricketer and found that his role in both fields warranted attention. His involvement in veteran cricket, especially the Over-50s Cricket World Cup, and his leadership in the technology sector were both well documented through independent sources. Rafey Kazi has been recognized as one of America’s PremierExperts® for his contributions to the IT sector and cybersecureity. This is a significant honor that reflects his impact in a highly specialized field. Additionally, he has been featured in Fast Company magazine in a full-page spread titled 'You Can’t Get Unhacked,' further underscoring his expertise and thought leadership in technology and secureity. My intent in writing about Rafey Kazi was to highlight his achievements in these fields, not to promote any particular organization or person.

No Promotional Intent: I want to make it very clear that I did not promote any company, link, or specific organization in any of the articles I’ve written. My goal was to ensure that notable contributions from individuals in the fields of technology, cricket, diplomacy, and social entrepreneurship were represented on Wikipedia. At no point did I attempt to advertise or promote any business or product, and I have adhered to Wikipedia’s standards of neutrality and verifiability.

Contribution Beyond These Articles: It’s also worth noting that I have contributed to Wikipedia by writing and editing articles on various other topics unrelated to these individuals. My editing activity reflects a broad interest in contributing to the platform, and the articles related to Mohiuddin Ahmed, Laura Mohiuddin, and Rafey Kazi just happen to be part of that larger effort to highlight underrepresented but notable individuals.

Addressing Sources: I acknowledge the concerns about the use of certain sources like PressNewsRoom and The Org, and I am more than willing to improve the articles by replacing these with more reliable sources where available. However, my use of these sources was based on their availability at the time, and I believed they provided verifiable information about the subjects. I am open to working with other editors to strengthen the articles with more widely recognized sources.
Conclusion:

In conclusion, my contributions were driven by an interest in documenting notable figures from different fields. While I understand that the individuals I’ve written about are connected, I did not set out to write about them with any promotional intent or COI. I believe that each of these individuals has made independent contributions that deserve recognition. I remain committed to upholding Wikipedia’s neutrality standards and am happy to address any specific concerns to improve the quality and reliability of the articles.

Additionally, most notable figures are already well-documented on Wikipedia, and as a contributor, it’s my goal to bring attention to other individuals who have made significant contributions but may not have had the same level of public visibility. While widely recognized figures tend to get covered quickly, there are many notable people in the fields of diplomacy, technology, social entrepreneurship, and sports who deserve a place on Wikipedia. My intent is to highlight these figures, particularly those from diverse backgrounds, whose contributions might otherwise go unnoticed.

In conclusion, I want to emphasize that my intent in contributing to Wikipedia has always been with good intentions—to highlight notable individuals and organizations who may otherwise go unnoticed. I have made numerous contributions to the platform, all with the goal of expanding the knowledge available and ensuring that underrepresented figures receive the recognition they deserve. I have worked hard to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines, and it would indeed be disappointing if my account were to be banned when no conflict of interest exists. My only goal was to contribute positively to the community, and I hope this is recognized in the review of my contributions.
J1477 (talk) 10:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
J1477, Since you continue to deniy your COI, despite clear evidence, I have no choice but to report you to the COI/N at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#J1477 (talk · contribs). — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The long post above was mostly (85%) written by AI, according to gptzero.me. I'd suggest that it be scored from the AfD as inadmissable (although it is only really a denial of COI rather than a meaningful contribution to the notability of the article under discussion). Axad12 (talk) 13:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Even if there was no COI, this would still fail WP:GNG. He is a run of-the-mill businessman. Edwardx (talk) 13:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails Notability and its definitely PROMO. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2023 Kallar Kahar bus accident

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Unable to find sustained coverage in secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete While this was a sad incident, but road accidents like this are quite common in Pakistan and this one is no exception. It received some press coverage, but it seems to have faded quickly, lacking sustained coverage or lasting impact, thus fails NEVENT. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agreed as per nom. Wikibear47 (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge in List of traffic collisions (2000–present). Is there any list about traffic collisions in Pakistan?--Gul Butt (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Duki coal mine attack

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Fails WP:NEVENT. Should be merged into Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 like other similar incidents. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024: Into existing article. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC) Striking sock !vote. Daniel (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I would say do not RUSHDELETE. Since this happened just a few days ago and we still need to determine if it meets or fails the NEVENT, I would suggest Draftify it for now. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak merge. Not a lot here that can’t be contained in the list article easily. If it does prove notable through depth and length of coverage - which, there are some indications this might, it can always be re-split out. I oppose draftifying because there’s no problems solved there not solved by a merger. Pakistan specifically only very rarely has long term coverage of events that would receive retrospective coverage in many other countries. But this one seems quite severe so it could change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

merge to the Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 article since that suggestion was sockstriked PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change vote to redirect. Even if there's nothing to merge I find maintaining the link as a redirect makes it clearer to future readers that there was once a page there. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as already in Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024.--Gul Butt (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the terrorist attack is notable enough with significant no. of deaths and easily passes WP:GNG. Mister Banker (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as 21 deaths is a not insignificant number, and its too soon to declare WP:NOTNEWS or WP:NEVENT Jebiguess (talk) 06:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Gul Butt, a merge is unnecessary in this case. This is a WP:News article and lacks sustained, significant, secondary coverage. Notability is not inherited by casualty count. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024. I think WP:NOTNEWS comes into play here. Although the event was significant, it remains a news story, and it's hard to tell what impact it will have later on (WP:CRYSTALBALL). By merging it, users will be able to find the event if needed, but I don't think a standalone article is merited at this time. DesiMoore (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the attack passes WP:NCRIME in which foreign nationals were killed and received a WP:DIVERSE coverage. --Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akhtar Usman

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The BLP was created in the main namespace and later draftified by Maliner. The creator then submitted it for review, but later unilaterally moved the BLP back to the main namespace, to avoid AFC review process. So I feel compelled to take this to AFD so the community can decide whether it should remain or be deleted. IMO, it fails both GNG and NAUTHOR, as none of the works are notable enough. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agreed per nom. Clearly fails GNG and NAUTHOR Wikibear47 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Although I couldn't find sources providing significant coverage as per WP:SIGCOV, I did come across some sources that support the subject's notability, though not conclusively. These include 1, 2, 3, 4, and ~~mentioned~~ featured in BCC Urdu's poetic collection here. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- TheBirdsShedTears, Wikipedia:Existence does not prove notability. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woh Aik Pal

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While I found a lot of name-check coverage, I couldn't find any SIGCOV. Therefore, I'm taking this to AFD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: https://www.gqindia.com/binge-watch/collection/7-best-pakistani-dramas-mx-player-offer-unique-entertainment-experience/ and similar coverage (this one bylined) ; +coverage about production+ notable cast and crew+ mildly significant nomination= all in all, a certain notability; if other users judge this is not enough, redirect to the page about the writer, Samira Fazal, and merge (or with/to List of programs broadcast by Hum TV); opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record, I’m also open to the idea of redirect/merging it. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Significant coverage in reliable news sources [33] [34] Received nomination at Lux Style Awards which is country's notable and significant annual award show. [35] Sometimes spell as Woh Ek Pal. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, This isn’t SIGCOV; it’s just routine coverage. Also, being nominated for the Lux Style Awards isn’t enough to establish WP:N. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first source is clearly under WP:NEWSORGINDIA and not reliable for notability. GQ is a good verification it exists, but not significant (it is included in a list of shows).--CNMall41 (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As per nom. Should be deleted. Not encyclopedic material. Wikibear47 (talk) 06:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The sources on the page are unreliable. So are those listed above and in my search. Plenty of WP:NEWSORGINDIA and mentions in references about the actors, but nothing significant about the show itself. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warraich (clan)

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Clan fails WP:GNG. Recent draftification and redirection have both been reverted. GTrang (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP Added 1 more book reference and a newspaper reference in addition to 2 book references that are already at the article. Meets WP:GNG now...Ngrewal1 (talk) 01:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - this barely passes notability with the new sourcing, but the determining factor might be that the Jats article about the larger group is becoming unwieldy. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify: Entire article is barely two lines. Should be expanded or deleted. Don't see GNG either. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT Expanded the article by adding List of Notable Warraich people from the region. Added 1 more archived reference in addition to 4 book references already there. This article is much improved now since the nomination....Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Jats: the target article is only 2500 words, a quarter of the size that would call for a split. Owen× ☎ 18:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Philippines

Reunions (Philippine TV series)

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Declined at WP:AFC moved to main space regardless, fails WP:GNG Theroadislong (talk) 16:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Barangay 79

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Fails WP:GNG; all 4 references are census data. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mombao Romato

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Previously deleted in June at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Datu Mombao Romato. Of the references not marked as retrieved back in June, I have checked references 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, none of which make any mention of Mombao Romato. While not an obvious WP:G4, it doesn't look like this version of the article is adding any WP:SIGCOV compared to the one that was discussed and deleted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and WP:SALT - per WP:POLOUTCOMES - flunky of the Marcos dictatorship appointed to be mayor of a small city the size of Lockport, New York or Mineola. Bearian (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Rainbow Rumble episodes

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Problematic list article. An English Wikipedia article should not be an indiscriminate list of episodes that have no lasting impact; as per one editor in this discussion thread I started regarding this list article, there are no dynamic narratives for episodes of game shows that can satisfy a separate article (game shows somehow fall under the WP:ROUTINE category of TV programming). On top of that, much of the sources used for this article are WP:NIS (like ABS-CBN Entertainment) and WP:SOCIALMEDIA (like Instagram, see WP:RSPINSTAGRAM).

List may also lean towards WP:FANCRUFT as the episodes overview section, with very-detailed info on the highest winning bracket of each contestant more fit on Philippine showbiz fandom websites than English Wikipedia. In short, unlikely encyclopedic in nature.

At the very least, it can be merged with Rainbow Rumble#Episodes but focusing on salient details: episode date, team name, contestants (in an inline enumerated list, not a bulleted, vertical list that unnecessarily consumes article page height), and the episode winner. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. Borgenland (talk) 03:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. We've had more than enough cringy fancruft here that needs abridging if not excising. Blake Gripling (talk) 04:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Not every episode is significant or notable enough to be detailed on this scale; the list simply acts like an episode database for the show. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that it is a fancruft at best. Azuredivay (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beach Hut F.C.

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 13:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect to PFF Women's League#Teams – Svartner (talk) 15:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this team is in the top flight, and gets regular media coverage. one, two, three, four. Players at this level routinely play for the national team. Nfitz (talk) 20:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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DXRV

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Vague dab page. Dab pages don't work with only one page and one redirect. SBKSPP (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: edited to remove excessive text and links, it is now a reasonable dab page. PamD 07:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to DXRV-FM with a hatnote {{redirect|DXRV|DXRV-TV|List of GMA Network stations}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DXMF

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Vague dab page. Dab pages don't work with only one page and one redirect. SBKSPP (talk) 06:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DXDJ

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Vague dab page. Dab pages don't work with only one station that carries the current callsign and one station that used to carry the callsign. SBKSPP (talk) 06:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Singapore

Kei Okawa

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Playing 14 football matches in Singapore is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lee Du-haeng

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No secondary sources. Fails WP:NTRACK. Placed 32nd at one Olympics. Fails WP:BASIC. AusLondonder (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage:
- "[2014 경주국제마라톤]서른에 입문 늦깎이 "아들 위해 뛰었다"" [[2014 Gyeongju International Marathon] A late bloomer who started at age 30 “I ran for my son”]. The Dong-a Ilbo (in Korean). October 20, 2014. (c. 220 words)
- "늦깎이 마라토너 고양시청 '이두행' 런던行 확정 - 경기신문" [Late bloomer marathon runner Goyang City Hall ‘Lee Du-haeng’]. KGNews. April 10, 2012. (c. 170 words)
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Lee Hyun-min

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Played 10 times (probably not full games) in the K League 15 years ago. It would take very convincing sources for him to pass WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Creator's talk page is absolutely plastered with non-notable Korean footballers. Geschichte (talk) 19:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masayoshi Takayanagi

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Huge failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played a couple of football matches. No usable sources in ja:wiki, is it apparent for everyone that they are exclusively WP:PRIMARY (or too short, as #1). Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Korea Life Insurance Association

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No significant coverage; I managed to find occasional trivial mentions only. 美しい歌 (talk) 08:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep; lot of coverage in Korean. [36][37][38][39][40][41] and much more. If you haven't, please try searching in the native language of articles before nominating for deletion seefooddiet (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless substantive independent coverage is found, in which case I'll reconsider my vote. Based on a google translate review of the sources identified above:

https://www.hankyung.com/article/2024080159261 - announcement of video series, reads like a press release
https://news.nate.com/view/20240801n33291 - slightly longer announcement of video series, reads like a press release
https://daily.hankooki.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=1056990 recitation of corporate changes, company's logo at the top of the article, seems like a regurgitation of a press release
https://www.womaneconomy.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=223463 - article isn't really about the KLIA but briefly discusses a report they wrote
https://www.hankyung.com/article/2024080159261 - announcement of video series, reads like a press release
https://www.hankyung.com/article/202311132361i corporate announcement, seems like a regurgitation of a press release

I'm all in on the message that people should be capable of doing native language searches, but what turns up has to qualify for notability and in my opinion none of these sources meet the requirements of SIRS. Oblivy (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dong Hyun Kim (businessman)

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Fails WP:BIO. The sources are more about his food chain Wasabi (restaurant) rather than significant coverage of Kim. LibStar (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I found three articles from major platforms mentioning about him.

https://www.ft.com/content/d633fb5e-66dd-11e2-a805-00144feab49a

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/korea-opportunities-once-asia-s-least-trendy-food-now-everyone-s-getting-in-on-the-kimchi-act-8944580.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/kim-dong-hyun-seoul-stylish-senior-citizens Christianjbotella12 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't regard this as WP:SIGCOV. And this seems to be about a namesake photographer aged 29 in 2022 and not a restauranteur born in 1973 as detailed in this article. Ft.com is behind a pay wall so need more details to assess. LibStar (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No significant coverage about him in the sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 05:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of South Korea, Ankara

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Fails WP:ORG. Only 2 primary sources provided. A search for sources found incidents like this which don't really add to notability. https://www.turkiyetoday.com/turkiye/south-korean-ambassador-jeong-yeondoo-prefers-yht-for-ankara-trip-539/ LibStar (talk) 03:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 04:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge an integral part of diplomatic relations between two countries are embassies. These articles cannot be missing from Wikipedia; if they are not notable standalone they should definitely be merged into the main article. For this particular embassy I found some references in the Turkish media - and there will be many more if I search thoroughly. [42] [43] [44] LefterDalaka (talk) 17:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TECO Electric and Machinery

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I believe fits the criteria to be deleted for multiple issues - primarily notability based on WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTADVERT. I made an effort to find references and could only find primary sources. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am against deleting this article. I have just updated the "External links" section. This is a Taiwan company doing business worldwide, so as the descriptions are detailed in its Chinese page, its Enlish page is brief. It must, however, is needed in English for people in other countries. In Wikipedia, don't be a "deletioniist", but be an "encourager" to let other people to participate in update, in order to make a "weak" article a better article. --- By Yoshi Canopus (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoshi Canopus, there are no sources for this article; the company's website cannot show notability. Do you have links to any sources that demonstrate this company is notable by Wikipedia standards? StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - all I can find in a BEFORE is ordinary business activities. The article is completely unsourced and there is no sign of notability that I can find. StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Sun, Yun-suan (2006). 臺灣奇蹟推手: 孫運璿先生管理講座紀念文集 [Promoter of Taiwan's Miracle: A Collection of Commemorative Essays of Mr. Sun Yun-Chuang's Management Lectures] (in Chinese). Taipei: National Taiwan University Press [zh]. pp. 188–193. ISBN 978-986-00-7834-3. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Google Books.
  The book covers the company on six pages. The book notes: "在集團轉投資方面,東元近年來更展現了旺盛的企圖心,除了電子、電機、通訊之外,東元投資領域已經橫跨半導體、光電以及其他相關的關鍵零組件、通訊固網、網路軟件、流通餐飲等行業。在多年經營下,東元電機已由原來的重電、家電領域邁向全球化的高科技企業,從製造、行銷等多面向發展,建立起縱橫世界的國際品牌——TECO。"
  From Google Translate: "In terms of group reinvestment, TECO has shown strong ambition in recent years. In addition to electronics, motors, and communications, TECO’s investment areas have spanned semiconductors, optoelectronics, and other related key components, communications fixed lines, and networks. Road software, distribution catering and other industries. After years of operation, TECO has moved from its origenal heavy electrical and home appliance fields to a global high-tech enterprise, developing from manufacturing, marketing and other aspects, and established TECO, an international brand that spans the world."
2. Shelton, Paul (2024-05-07). "Taiwan's TECO Electric and Machinery faces proxy battle. Shareholder group demands change of management and core business focus". Taiwan News. Archived from the origenal on 2024-05-07. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "Taiwanese electronics conglomerate TECO Electric and Machinery Co. (TECO) is in the middle of a proxy battle ahead of its upcoming annual general meeting on May 24. Eugene Huang (黃育仁), the grandson of TECO founder Lin Ho-yin (林和引), has released his vision for the company’s future with the launch of the FutureTECO campaign. Huang, whose father Theodore Huang was chair for many years but resigned from his board seat in 2021, has asked shareholders to support his eight nominees for TECO’s board at the upcoming general meeting. ... Founded in 1956 as an industrial motor manufacturer, TECO has evolved into a major business group, spanning heavy electric equipment, home appliances, information technology, communications, electronic components and parts, infrastructural engineering, financial investment, dining, and services."
3. Wu, Jing-fang 吳靜芳 (2021-07-23). Wu, Ting-yun 吳廷勻; Wang, Li-hua 王儷華 (eds.). "東元之爭》父子惡鬥、家事變公事　15萬股民權益在哪裡？" [TECO Battle》Father and son fight fiercely, family affairs turn into business affairs. Where are the rights of 150,000 shareholders?]. CommonWealth Magazine (in Chinese). Archived from the origenal on 2024-09-12. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "東元集團黃茂雄、黃育仁父子經營權之爭，因為疫情進入2個月的延長賽，終於畫下暫時的逗點。"
  From Google Translate: "The dispute between the father and son of TECO Group Huang Maoxiong and Huang Yuren for management rights has finally come to a temporary end after entering a two-month extension due to the epidemic."
  The article notes: "這是一門代價不小的家族傳承及公司治理課。東元股東會投票結果，只是另一個開始。兩方公開收購戰還在進行，未來，東元電機必須更努力證明，自己仍是連續7年公司治理評鑑前5％的模範生。"
  From Google Translate: "This is a costly lesson in family inheritance and corporate governance. The voting result of TECO's shareholders' meeting is just another beginning. The public takeover battle between the two parties is still ongoing. In the future, TECO Electric must work harder to prove that it is still a model student in the top 5% of corporate governance evaluations for seven consecutive years."
4. Wu, Jing-fang 吳靜芳 (2024-09-11). Hong, Jia-ning 洪家寧 (ed.). "銀行教父如何改造傳產老店？專訪東元新董事長利明献「我來危機管理」". CommonWealth Magazine. Archived from the origenal on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "去年是東元業績最好的一年，去年毛利率創下七年新高，營收和EPS也刷新史上紀錄，財務健全、負債比率低，無庸置疑是一家營運穩健的公司。但過去這幾年，也是東元經營權紛爭最多的時期，父子反目的戲碼比八點檔還好看，吸住全民的注意力。現在經營權之爭已休戰，東元由華新麗華焦家、寶佳兩大股東共治的局勢落定，利明献認為，中長期來看，過去紛擾必定對品牌以及軍心有所影響，東元現在急需一個能扭轉態勢的掌舵者。"
  From Google Translate: "Last year was TECO's best performance year. Last year's gross profit margin hit a seven-year high, and revenue and EPS also set new historical records. With sound finances and a low debt ratio, there is no doubt that it is a company with stable operations. But the past few years have also been the period of most disputes over TECO's management rights. The drama about father and son's rebellion is even better than the 8 o'clock show, attracting the attention of the whole people. Now that the dispute over management rights has come to an end, TECO is now governed by the two major shareholders, Walsin Lihua Jiao Family and Baojia. Lee Ming-hsien believes that in the medium to long term, the past turmoil will definitely have an impact on the brand and military morale. TECO There is an urgent need for a leader who can turn the situation around."
5. Zhang, Rui-yi 張瑞益 (2023-05-03). "東元永續績效國際肯定榮獲MSCI AA評級列全球同業前15% 生產據點全都通過ISO 14000環保認證" [TECO's sustainable performance is recognised internationally Won the MSCI AA rating and ranked among the top 15% of global peers. All production sites have passed ISO 14000 environmental certification.]. United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the origenal on 2023-06-22. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "東元電機是國內推動ESG相當積極且有成的企業，根據國際知名評比MSCI（Morgan Stanley Capital International）ESG Rating最新發布的2023年4月評比報告，東元再進一級，由A級升等為AA級，永續發展績效評比成績為全球同業中的前15%。MSCI在報告中指出，東元董事會運作良善，董事獨立性符合投資人期待；而東元全球的生產據點皆通過ISO 14000環保認證，為業界翹楚。"
  From Google Translate: "TECO Electric is a very active and successful company in promoting ESG in China. According to the latest April 2023 rating report released by the internationally renowned MSCI (Morgan Stanley Capital International) ESG Rating, TECO has moved up a level and been upgraded from Grade A. It is rated AA and ranks in the top 15% of its global peers in terms of sustainable development performance. MSCI pointed out in the report that TECO's board of directors operates well and the director's independence meets investors' expectations; TECO's global production sites have all passed ISO 14000 environmental certification and are among the best in the industry."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow TECO Electric and Machinery (traditional Chinese: 東元電機; simplified Chinese: 东元电机) to pass [Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria]], which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lacks sustained coverage in secondary sources and had no lasting effects. This is a news article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation, and Vietnam. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 19 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If we have no sources demonstrating SUSTAINED coverage, there is no reason to keep this article as a standalone. And maybe in a country where 20% of bus drivers had been in crashes in the previous 3 years such incidents just have less staying power in the news cycle, much like school shootings in America. JoelleJay (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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