Talk:List of University of Miami alumni

Frank Rodriguez

I note with disappointment that reference to this brilliant scholar has been removed. He is clearly notable and I am working on article about him. Please re-instate Mr. Rodriguez.Mgr.James Horan Decd. 14:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Inclusion

Just as the contributions of all constructive editors to this project should be appreciated; so should the contributions of all notable alumni also be appreciated. Those contributions should also warrant their inclusion, with photos when available, in this article.

Per WP:NLIST, the criteria for inclusion and notability are clear:

1) They are notable enough to have WP pages; and,

2) Those pages state they are University of Miami alumni; And where applicable,

3) Their photos already appear elsewhere on this project;

If they meet these criteria, then per WP rules, no editor should presume any right to remove them. No other subjective judgments should apply. It is perhaps useful to remember, that this article is simply a list. Not an editorial. Thanks! X4n6 (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

For the 2nd time, I've restored legitimate photos that were removed for no legitimate reason. Kindly discuss here before reverting again. X4n6 (talk) 06:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

There were photos that were developed and well-placed by a number of editors over a long period of time, which you unilaterally and pretty arbitrarily deleted, replacing them with others that really do not fit the page or improve it in anyway. I am going to restore them and please do not engage in a revert war. MiamiDolphins3 (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

MD3, it appears as though you're editing like you believe WP articles are set in stone. Obviously they're not. As a longtime editor, you know that. So you should also appreciate that articles are constantly being changed and improved. I've made several legitimate improvements over a significant period. But the only editor who has "unilaterally and pretty arbitrarily deleted" them is you. As for your "number of editors" claim, I am just the latest editor to work on this article. However, you're also the only editor who has objected to any new edits and is treating this article like it's your own. Please review WP:OWN. I am more than happy to work collaboratively with you on a photo by photo basis, to address any of your concerns and improve the article. But your wholesale reverts of the contributions I've made, aren't constructive. In fact as you noted, that is engaging in a revert war.

As I noted above, which you neither acknowledged or responded to: per WP:NLIST there are really only 3 criteria for inclusion/photos in the article:

1) The subjects are notable enough to already have WP articles; and,

2) Those articles note they are University of Miami alumni; And where applicable,

3) Their photos already appear elsewhere on this project.

Every single photo I have included in the article meets each of those criteria. So your claim that they "really do not fit the page or improve it in anyway" is not only entirely subjective, but it's without basis in fact or WP policy. So let's work to fix any concerns you may have.

To start with, let's discussion your penchant for this photo of MichaelJohns1.jpg; when he is hardly representative in the business category, since he's not notable as a business person. Any notability he derives, per his WP article, is as a non-elected, political advocate. Also, the photo you keep inserting isn't even used in the article about him. That photo is significantly better.

Second, you keep reverting my change to the status of Porfirio Lobo Sosa. As his WP article points out, he is no longer the president of Honduras - and hasn't been since January 2014. Yet, inexplicably, you continue to wholesale revert my edit that updates his current status as the former president.

Third, you also continue to wholesale revert my addition of the Sebastian the Ibis photo - even after you agreed that "+ Ibis photo, which does fit". So before we begin collaborating, may I also request that you please be consistent as you express your opinions. Thanks. Looking forward to editing with you! X4n6 (talk) 22:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Surhone, Tennoe, Henssonow

Sources written by Surhone, Tennoe, Henssonow need to be double checked (and possibly deleted) as per VDM Publishing § Wikipedia content duplication. Ihaveacatonmydesk Ihaveacatonmydesk (talk) 21:24, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Dwayne Johnson

@X4n6: You actually did me a favor because I was literally coming to this page to do exactly what you just did. We both seem to be agreement that his football career at Miami should be mentioned, so we don't have to worry about that. You also seem to not be fully understanding my point as to why it needs to be specified he played at Miami. For starters, just saying "college football defensive tackle" is open for interpretation and doesn't get the point across he played at Miami which is the whole reason for mentioning it in the first place because his college career was not notable. You tried to counter that "if someone played at another school they would mentioned in that page." I'll repeat what I said, college football players graduate from colleges they didn't play at all the time. I can name 3 examples right off the bet, I already mentioned one in my edit summary: J. P. Darche, played at McGill graduated from the University of Kansas (now that is slightly different because he graduated from their medical school), Jack Del Rio, played at USC graduated from University of Kansas, Larry Fitzgerald, played at Pitt, graduated from University of Phoenix. The definition of a notable alumni is a notable person that graduated from that school. So the 3 examples I gave are by definition a notable alumni of those schools. The point behind that is it is possible to play at one school and graduate from a school you didn't play at. So once again just simply putting "college football defensive tackle" is open for interpretation so it needs to be clear he played at Miami. It's not redundant to say that's where he played or that he played on the football program. Hell we could even leave the mention as he was a player on the 1991 National Championship football team and call it good.--Rockchalk717 04:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rockchalk717: As you wrote above: "his college career was not notable." Exactly. So it doesn't need to be mentioned here. Readers will find it in his article. Also, haven't you seen how all the other entries are formatted here? Not one mentions the achievements of the UM teams they played on. Johnson's entry is no different. Which is why the current edit had consensus, before you made edits that were inconsistent with the list's clear and longstanding format. And why I restored it. X4n6 (talk) 08:00, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Ed Newman

Ed Newman did not attend the University of Miami. I refer to his biography supplied by Wike in the footnotes. He did not play for football for the University of Miami. He did play solely for Duke. 2600:1700:36E1:73D0:3491:726E:F29F:B0AD (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)