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Kolkata rape case

Hey, I saw that you reincluded few sections about the accusations. Please note that wikipedia is not a news article. Also, try to include the rebuttal by the government and the make sure that the section is not one sided. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied in your talk page DangalOh (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from naming users on the edit summaries. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

ok. Wont do tht again DangalOh (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Cool🤝 VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia guideline stating you to refrain from mentioning users in edit summaries. @VSankeerthSai1609, Please note that, as I have explained in my talk page. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 19:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Herald OK, noted VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 01:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please take care not to make comments that could be construed as racist or sectarian. Even if that is not your intention any such comments can only cause you trouble that you can better do without. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Never delete someone's reply to you. If I wanted to live a trouble-free life, I wouldn't be involved in topics like these where I know I don't have enough support for my point of view. DangalOh (talk) 21:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Genesis

Oh la la, you're following me diff? Do I have a fanbase? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Ha Ha. I would say our interests are pretty aligned, and yes, if I had to choose any senior editor to follow, it would definitely be you. It’s extremely difficult to find people with the interests we share in today’s world. I always strive to maintain a proper balance and be fair to every human, regardless of their religious or political views, and I'm not afraid to share mine. I might have some biases towards certain cultures based on my understanding of their philosophies or scriptures, but I am always open to learning something new, adapting, and changing my worldview. I believe one should always be a seeker, never a blind believer. I like how you are bold in expressing both your critical and traditional views. I believe you can be reasoned with, which is why, even when I feel there might be a minor issue with your editing, I don’t hesitate to tell you, as I did earlier. But don’t worry, I have many other interests that might not overlap with yours, so I won’t be following you all the time :P. But yes, in this case, my blood boiled because I hate it when people disregard scholarship based on religion and have absolute disregard for philosophy, so I thought I’d give my two cents there. Hope you have a good time editing! DangalOh (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

HAF

Since you appear to have an interest in the topic and probably come from a POV opposite mine, I will be interested in your views concerning our article on Hindu American Foundation. However, please read the article and the existent sourcing. And by "views", I mean views that can improve our article's compliance with encyclopedia policies. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I made this post because, honestly, I do not see any positive coverage of HAF in a long long time and thought you can help. Apart from Jeffery D. Long, I cannot locate a single reputable academic who is sympathetic to their activism. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TrangaBellam, Thank you for reaching out to me; I appreciate it a lot. However, I would rather stay away from topics that make me emotionally charged, and I know this might turn out to be one of those if I invest my time in it. Also, I don’t know much about the "HAF" and their motivations as of now. There is so much I want to say (not just about HAF, but in general). Before posting this reply, I actually wrote a 1,000-word paragraph (which I am infamous for and which doesn’t help much) explaining everything—my point of view, why I feel this way, etc. But then I deleted it because I guess Wikipedia is not the place for it. Here, I would say that if sources support negative views about them, then so be it. I won’t even go into the poor understanding that Western sources have regarding Indian religions. They see everything through their own exceptionally limited perspectives and motivations. I bet most Westerners think Indians or Hindus are poor, illogical, idiotic, uncivilized idol worshippers bound for hell, from a third-world country. And it’s not like our discussion will change their views on Hindu nationalism, Hindutva, or Hindu activism anytime soon. Whatever the sources support, although I can expand on some things by explaining them to you, I would rather refrain. These days, I am more focused on my own low-grade philosophy on Wikipedia. I want a little peace. I’m tired of fighting with everyone and everything.

Regards, DangalOh (talk) 17:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Noted with disagreement (on the few specifics). And my offer also extends to Gyanvapi Mosque. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! :) But that is also a very charged topic. All I can say is don’t bash poor Sampath that hard. I laughed so much when I once saw him tweeting specifically about you. LOL. Give him a little benefit of the doubt, especially for criticizing assumptions made by other scholars and proposing his own assumptions and points, which are not verifiable with current evidence and might come across as partisan, but could very well be true. I wish you happy editing. You are a very intelligent editor. I’m confident we will cross paths often, as our interests align (not necessarily the POV). Thanks! :) DangalOh (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Sampath is tweeting about me? Woah.

He, in all probabilities, has proficiency neither in Sanskrit nor Persian but wishes to work on medieval India. This means he can espouse nothing original except to rehash an eclectic collection of authors pandering to his POV — here, in this book, a couple of colonial authors, Sukul, and Moti Chandra. To compound issues, he has taken up the cudgels against "Western historians" and Wikipedia — even though discussing Bishan Singh's surveys and the tarahs would have fitted the theme of his book, he had to skip to not cite Desai; ditto for the Bhaideval temple inscription, which I had dug out from a very rarely held volume.

As to "proposing his own assumption and points", even if I excuse the outright farces about a mob assaulting the Laat by sneaking into the Gyanvapi or Tavernier describing the Vishweshwara or Chaukhandi being an Asokan structure, the scape is hardly better. Note the section on Shah Jahan/Kavindracharya — he is blissfully unaware that two of the eulogies in question have already been edited and published, relying on mss. from the Asiatic Library! This fact should have been evident at a cursory glance of the bibliography sections in relevant scholarship by Allison Busch, regardless of whether he agrees with her broader thesis. And, I am still not sure about how he (and Sukul) got the idea that Govindachandra worshipped at Vishweshwara’s shrine.

I wrote that section because I am sure that, in a year, there will be editors who will propose to include some random content from Sampath's book into the article! TrangaBellam (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha! It's an old tweet: https://x.com/vikramsampath/status/1497892593752887296. However, I trust your knowledge in the Gyanvapi area. I just don’t trust some scholars whom you may consider more reliable (not talking about this topic, but in general). But hey, I have no comments about Sampath. I am not his fanboy, and I am not even very familiar with his work either. But as I said, I trust you in that regard. DangalOh (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Haha, I see. I do not even think highly of Truschke's book on Aurangzeb. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

<3 :D And since you are so invested in Gyanvapi, I'll share with you one of my personal favorites that gives me peace and takes me closer to the Void. May it give you peace too:[1] DangalOh (talk) 15:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Frustrations

It's clear you're frustrated, but comments like a very vile bad faith editor known for pov pushing diff can be considered WP:PERSONALATTACK. Not the first time you do so; kindly request you to torture your walls instead (softly, without injuring yourself). Regards anyway; when you're not taken over by your frustrations you're a witty and entertaining commentator. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Not frustration. Anger on you Joshua. But see krodha (anger) is my biggest sin. Cant get moksha in this life for sure. DangalOh (talk) 10:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I had many plans to work with you on several topics that I know will intrigue you as well. I wanted to create many new pages in conjunction with you, but maybe we both are not ready to work together yet. DangalOh (talk) 10:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Karma... So, we're tied-up and destined for future lives together? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

It appears that our relationship is karmic, transcending multiple lifetimes. I have known you in a previous existence, and I look forward to encountering you again in our next life... hehehe DangalOh (talk) 10:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

BLP

I am pretty certain that third-class sources like Mohd Zubair's Alt News violates WP:BLP. If you do not like Wikipedia's policies on RS or the community's determinations of the reliability of a source using such policy, you are free to air your grievances but in a manner that is collegial. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I called the source third grade. Didn't know sources were living persons. C'mon, Tranga, your mental processing power is better than this. And I know there is a long list of editors and admins who subscribe to your views (for obvious reasons), but it doesn’t change the fact that a fringe, motivated, and community-specific source, known for bashing almost all Indian news channels, is being promoted on Wikipedia as an authoritative source to defame them. If you don't see any problem with that, I have nothing more to say to you. regards, DangalOh (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

You accused Mohd Zubair — and notably, not co-founder Prateek Sinha, for reasons I won't speculate — of running a third-class source. That is clear-enough to run afoul of BLP. As to the rest, again, you can perceive a conspiracy, call it out, and air grievances but within the limits of policy. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh please, we all know whose tweets are famous and inflammatory, and who rants all day on social media. But again, I clearly called the source third class. You can assume whatever you want, but the world doesn’t run on assumptions. I can also assume why you, Trangabellam, of all people, are most terrified by these developments of Indian courts asking for ID. But as I said, the world doesn’t run on assumptions. And don’t worry, the chances are very low, if not zero.

And by the way, if we really want to label news channels as absolute fake news, maybe starting with BBC and CNN would make more sense, as I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve deliberately misled the public, spreading both disinformation and misinformation. But I don’t see that reflected in their article bodies, let alone highlighted in the lede. Hypocrites. The truth is, no news channel is perfect, and almost all have posted some form of misinformation or disinformation. The problem lies in selective targeting and taking it to the extreme by trying to cancel a news channel, using inflammatory and controversial sources to do so.

Do what you must, but don’t act like you’re the most honorable person fighting for truth, free speech, and justice—you’re not. No one is. But you are very selective. Let’s end this discussion. I don’t want to fight with you. I already have enough enemies. Thanks DangalOh (talk) 15:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

So terrified of a random Court that I am continuing to edit the article incl. the one on the litigation, meh. I have been courteous enough to not template you and will bid you bye. And that you feel so strongly about Alt News being a non-reliable source, RSN is the place to go than sniping from the sides. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for not putting a template unnecessarily based on assumptions. I do ask everyone out there to use my talk page as a punching bag if they want. I never delete anything from my page (unless it's completely irrelevant).

Alt news or Ctrl news, I don’t care, nor do I have the patience to fight for this cause. Use these sources to defile everything; I don’t care. I only wanted to give my input on how it's impossible to come to any conclusion when everyone thinks someone else is at fault but them. Everyone is so stuck in their worldview that now the only thing one can do is wait for the final decision and accept it, which everyone has to do anyway.

And about sniping—well, let’s not go there. I was the best sniper in my hostel Counter-Strike days. Side, back, front, up, down—ahhh, they never saw me coming. Anyway, nice chat. You can have alt news; I’m not bothered enough. I also have some ideas about the people at the top of the chain. Thanks. DangalOh (talk) 16:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)