Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baloch genocide

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Human rights abuses in Balochistan. Note that given comments below about TNT etc., said merge will need to be very selective. Daniel (talk) 01:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Baloch genocide

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The article has numerable issues, it relies on questionable sources, and as well as contains original research. But most of all, it seems to be a WP:POVFORK of Human rights abuses in Balochistan. It doesn’t have a really good verifiability argument. Any content that is reliable should be moved to the Human rights abuse page, as this page is better established and has more to say. This page just seems extremely unnecessary. VirtualVagabond (talk) 05:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Not a single source refers to a "genocide" and barely any scholarly sources, usually news sites being used for making exceptional claims and commentaries which would need further review. WP:TNT applies. Would also support merging anything reliable to the Humans rights abuses in Balochistan page, which this article is a content fork of for which the reliability of content is to be first established per consensus. Axedd (talk)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Discrimination, Events, and Pakistan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Per nom. Fails WP:VER, WP: NOTABILITY and WP:RS. Sutyarashi (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Questionable sources and original research and a WP:POVFORK......Ngrewal1 (talk) 18:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: The topic is worth keeping as it does appear in academic literature, the article does need an overhaul, and as some commenters here know (due to their active work in the article), we have already improved it from it's poor initial state. As some examples of of the literature, from a quick search:

1. Sarwar, Azam (2024). "Living ghosts and the Laapata: the episode of genocide continuum in Pakistani art". Continuum: Journal of Media & Cultural Studies. 38 (2).
2. Nawaz, Maryam; Akhtar, Shahzad; Asghar, Muhammad Faizan (2023). "Drivers of Ethnic Terrorism: Case of Baloch Nationalist Movement (BNM)". Global Social Sciences Review. 8 (1).
3. Patel, Pinal; Sharma, Saurabh (2022). "Enforced Disappearances: A Major Human Rights Issue in Balochistan". Journal of Social and Political Sciences. 5 (4).
4. Zeb, Rizwan (2020). Ethno-political Conflict in Pakistan: The Baloch Movement. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-429-31813-9.
5. Muzaffar, Muhammad; Karamat, Sidra; Saeed, Khalid (June 2018). "Balochistan Insurgency: Causes and Prospects". Orient Research Journal of Social Sciences. 3 (1).
6. Dashti, Naseer (2017). The Baloch Conflict with Iran and Pakistan: Aspects of a National Liberation Struggle. Black Lacquer Press. ISBN 978-1-948288-10-1.
7. Mullick, Fatima; Cooper, Charlie; El-Badawy, Emman (2015). Shia Genocide: A Crisis in Pakistan (Report). Lord Avebury, All-Party Parliamentary Group on Human Rights.
8. Grare, Frederic (April 2013). Balochistan: The State versus the Nation. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
9. Prakash, Aarushi (2013). "Peace or War Journalism: Case Study of the Balochistan Conflict in Pakistan". Strategic Analysis. 37 (5).
10. Dashti, Naseer (2012). The Baloch and Balochistan: A historical account from the Beginning to the fall of the Baloch State. Trafford Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4669-5897-5.
11. Wirsing, Robert G. (April 2008). Baloch Nationalism and the Geopolitics of Energy Resources: The Changing Context of Separatism in Pakistan. Strategic Studies Institute.
12. Bansal, Alok (January–March 2006). "Balochistan: Continuing Violence and Its Implications". Strategic Analysis. 30 (1).

-- Cdjp1 (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

No source above deals with the topic "genocide" which this article is titled. The content here are mostly compilations from other pages such as Human rights abuses in Balochistan. Even the sources you've listed above do not have WP:SIGCOV of the topic and relevant content already exists at many related pages like Insurgency in Balochistan, First Balochistan conflict, Second Balochistan conflict, Baloch nationalism and the Humans rights abuses page etc, to which more of this can be added. The topic of this article simply fails WP:GNG for it to have a standalone article. Axedd (talk) 20:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

1. Grodsky, Brian (2012). "When two ambiguities collide: the use of genocide in self-determination drives". Journal of Genocide Research. 14 (1). - also details the Balochi Provincial Assembly's accusation against the Pakistani central government in 2006 of genocide against the Baloch people in 2006.

In previous example sources they discuss the claim of genocide, or state the reporting of a genocide against the Baloch people. And again, these examples are from a very short cursory search. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to Human rights abuses in Balochistan, as an ATD. Jdcooper (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  We’ve discussed that any valid information would be merged with that article.

  As a consequence of merging, this page has to be deleted.VirtualVagabond (talk) 17:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom. The article fails WP:VER, WP:NOTABILITY, and WP:RS. Additionally, it is already adequately covered under Human rights abuses in Balochistan. Any reliable content should be merged there. Ainty Painty (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source review would be helpful. If an article is merged, it is usually changed to a Redirect, not Deleted. I'm not sure where you got that idea, VirtualVagabond.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake! VirtualVagabond (talk) 03:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: After conducting a WP:BEFORE, it appears that the topic may meet the GNG, but the article is poorly written. TNT applies. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

  Delete I checked some of Cdjp1's sources and they only had passing mention of genocide, often just passing mention quoting partisan op-eds and the like. As far as I can tell Ethno-political Conflict in Pakistan: The Baloch Movement. doesn't mention the topic at all. There was nothing that could support a stand-alone article about "genocide" or debate over a possible genocide. (t · c) buidhe 00:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Cdjp1: can you respond to this? If you still think there is WP:SIGCOV, please provide the top two sources and indicate the number of sentences they devote to the genocide discussion.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect - I looked at Grodsky 2012 and Mullick 2015 (arbitrarily chosen), neither contained SIGCOV. From the article itself, I looked at Siddiqui's South Asian Press article and the World Without Genocide post. A redirect to Human rights abuses in Balochistan seems appropriate, as discussed above. Suriname0 (talk) 03:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - needs a complete overhaul to the point of WP:TNT. Bearian (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.