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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 02:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Bridget Hoffman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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Very poorly sourced biography, with no in-depth WP:SECONDARY sources to support it. Binksternet (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, notable voice actor, sucky article, should be reduced to stub. BTVA can be used to expand on references. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like you are referring to this source when you say BTVA. To me, it looks like BTVA has almost no coverage of Hoffman, so it does not establish notability. It says she exists, that she has performed in some productions. What we're trying to do is find WP:SECONDARY sources that give in-depth coverage. Binksternet (talk) 21:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep - Appears to be well sourced and is WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic (talk) 01:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- Can you list the secondary sources which you have determined to satisfy WP:GNG? Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 03:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but it was the nominator's job to do WP:BEFORE, not mine. Please check the current secondary source refs in the article which could all have been found if WP:BEFORE had been done. Given that you also nominated Johnny Yong Bosch, it is extremely obvious you did not even attempt WP:BEFORE. VMS Mosaic (talk) 06:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the BEFORE requirement was fulfilled, contrary to your assertion. If you continue to base your 'keep' vote on my notional misbehavior then it will not carry any weight. A 'keep' vote should specify some facts that establish notability. Binksternet (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- My keep was based on the 34 references which the article has. At least some of them actually discuss her performance as a voice actor. Somebody else did the work required by WP:BEFORE prior to my keep which is why I said it was well sourced. I would have thought that was obvious. VMS Mosaic (talk) 06:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 00:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 15:54, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Weak delete, clearly a hard-working voice actor, worked with lots of top people. Perusing the numerous "references" that are currently in the article, I did not find ones that I thought were reliable, detached, which covered the subject in-depth. I searched google for 10 SERP pages on "web" setting (not news) did not find much. What there are, at present, is lots of mentions in the "references", but I am not sure that adds up to meet the GNG standard. So, essentially, the article is an overworked resume or CV, not a real encyclopedic article. I may change my vote if the non-references are removed and suitable ones found (maybe past the 10 SERP pages?) but for now, unfortunately, I vote weak delete as per Binksternet.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, the process you describe corresponds well with the process I undertook, except that I also looked for Google News and Google Books results, and I searched under the screen credit names Ruby Marlowe, Serena Kolb and Tessa Ariel. I agree that the article as we see it today is an extended list of appearances, lacking an in-depth biographical piece. Binksternet (talk) 03:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not all the articles that cover her in detail are available online. The news review of her theatre work and the MSU Alumni ones point to biographical articles. The LA Times article covers that she worked as a car model/narrator and leads to the Time Trackers movie. Several of the Ah My Goddess movie reviews describe her performance as the title character Belldandy in the film. If that needs to be detailed better than I will add that to the bio. Many of the other credits prove existence and participation as starring characters in notable anime shows. The disadvantage she has compared to other voice actors is that she doesn't attend anime conventions for that cult personality popularity, although she does attend voiceover seminars as a panelist. -AngusWOOF (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- The anime reviews, which do come from reliable sources, do describe their critiques of Hoffman's dubbing performance in the series. Please do not assume everything is just SERP fishing; she does have significant voice and directing roles in notable anime titles, and those are more notable than most of her live-action work like her connections with Raimi / Becker. -AngusWOOF (talk) 08:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - well-cited, meets WP:ENTERTAINER, and Hoffman has done significant acting and directing roles. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:ENTERTAINER with major roles done and the sources to show for it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep - AngusWoof has a done a great job in filling this article out recently. Rarely for an voice actor involved in anime, the article goes beyond a simple cast list and makes use of a range of sources both inside, and outside of the one specific field she is associated with. While the nomination of the page may have made sense at the time the, current state of the page clearly doesn't suffer from the issues listed in the nomination.SephyTheThird (talk) 11:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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