Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SPAGGOI The Musical
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy delete by User:RHaworth (G11, A7). Gong show 23:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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No evidence of notability for this musical now in production. JNW (talk) 01:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can vouch for the accuracy of this article, as I am Gregor Reid, composer of the work. I wrote this article, jointly, with Kieran McMath, who (as stated) is a writer and producer of the show. We have provided ample evidence (using the event booking page as a source) to show that the musical will be put into production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunsetRules (talk • contribs) 02:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Until notability can not be established via WP:RELIABLE sources, accuracy is beside the point. WP:COI and WP:PROMOTION are relevant here. JNW (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, you don't get more reliable and accurate than the person who wrote the majority of the work that this article concerns. Deleting this article is unnecessary. You wouldn't ask Steven Sondheim for references about Sweeney Todd. User.SunsetRules — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunsetRules (talk • contribs) 02:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll assume good faith, that your purpose in editing Wikipedia is not solely to promote your production. No sadness would be necessary if WP:RELIABLE sources can be produced that establish WP:NOTABILITY for the musical (seems like I've already said that); likewise, any evidence that the writer and composer of the work are as well recognized as Steven Sondheim will be welcome. WP:ITEXISTS. JNW (talk) 03:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sunset, notability is established by reliable secondary sources such as news articles and coverage on TV. Anything by the work's creator, its stage crew, or anyone that is directly involved with the production or its creator would be seen as a WP:PRIMARY source. Primary sources cannot show notability to where an article can be kept. Even if you were to say that the production won an overwhelmingly notable award, we would still need to verify that by way of a secondary source, such as Playbill or the like. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is ultimately not notable at this point in time and the article is borderline promotional in nature. The thing about notability is that it can only be shown by coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources. Anything that is published by the musical's creator, crew, venue, etc cannot show notability, and at this point that's all that we have. I've nominated it for a speedy, more because this is one of those articles that doesn't have a snowball's chance of getting kept because it hasn't received a lick of coverage anywhere. It'd save more time to speedy it as promotional and a non-notable event than to go through an entire AfD week. When it gets released if it gets coverage then it can get re-created, but not before then. I'd probably recommend going through Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre rather than creating it yourself in order to avoid any potential conflict of interest. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.