Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society of American Silversmiths

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Society of American Silversmiths

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This organization appears on many lists of organizations dealing with jewelcraft, metallurgy and the like, but I'm not finding substantial coverage in independent sources that would establish notability. The article looks A7-speediable in its current state and generally promotional (article creator is apparently the founder of the organization), but given that it's been around since 2007, taking to AfD instead. --Finngall ^talk 16:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

My Society has been in existence since 1989.

What We're All About

The Society of American Silversmiths is the go-to resource for anything related to the art and craft of silversmithing. SAS was founded in April 1989 as the nation's only organization dedicated to the preservation and promotion of silversmithing. Its Artisan members, those silversmiths who have been juried into the Society based on their outstanding technical and design skills, are provided with support, networking, and greater access to the market. Through its comprehensive Web site, SAS educates the public in silversmithing techniques, silver care, restoration & conservation, and the aesthetic value of this art form.

Another aim of SAS is to assist those students who have a strong interest in becoming silver artisans. With the aid of SAS and its many supplier discounts, students will be better prepared to start their lives as professional silversmiths upon graduation. In addition to an outstanding benefits package, all members have access to the Society's technical and marketing expertise and a unique referral service that commissions silver holloware, flatware, and sculpture from its Artisans. The archives contain Artisan resumes, over 1,400 slides, 400 photographs, and a maker's mark registry for identification.

Jeffrey Herman, Founder & Executive Director Society of American Silversmiths PO Box 786 West Warwick, RI 02893 800/339-0417, 401/461-6840 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffrey Herman (talk • contribs) 17:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the Society of Silversmiths may have existed earlier; the comment above was that the wikipedia article was created in 2007. --doncram 19:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, tag the article in various ways instead, and maybe revisit later. The proscription Don't bite newbies applies. From what i can see, (see history at user Talk page and the User page) i am guessing that User:Jeffrey Herman edited early today on his User page in a promotional way, and then one editor reacted by giving notice and then deleting the page. The current User page was created later than the Talk page notice, perhaps with less promotion, it looks okay to me anyhow. And then another editor, seeing activity, looks at user contributions and nominates this Society of American Silversmiths page for deletion. This would be treating the editor badly. Tag the article with call for sourcing, give some welcome to the editor at his Talk page, comment at the Talk page of the article, instead. Wikipedia editorship shrinks because of all-negative treatment of new editors (and also because of bad treatment of experienced editors, but that's a different topic). --doncram 19:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

And, there is significant national news coverage, establishing Wikipedia-notability. For example:

• "Silversmiths Strive to Leave Mark in More Than Metal: [Orange County Edition]", by LAURA VAN TUYL. Los Angeles Times, November 7, 1990. Quote from its abstract is: "To educate people about handmade silver and the range of forms it assumes, [Jeffrey Herman] has joined forces with the 93-year-old Society of Arts and Crafts in presenting "Reflections of the Past and Present: Contemporary American Silver," an exhibition of hand-wrought holloware and flatware that throws a spotlight on a dying art form. / The show assembles for the first time the work of 29 modern silversmiths who produce everything from traditional punch bowls to abstract sculpture. They've come together as the Society of American Silversmiths (SAS)-the first organization of its kind, Herman says. A total of 48 silversmiths belong to the group, founded last year by Herman himself."
• "SILVER TREASURES ARTISANS ENHANCE BEAUTY OF JEWISH CEREMONY", Pittsburgh Post - Gazette, January 30, 1998, about a show titled "Artisans in Silver: Judaica Today", of 39 Jewish ritual works in traveling exhibit "organized and juried by the Society of American Silversmiths", then at the Treasure Room of the Carnegie Museum of Art, a 703 word article.
• New York Times coverage of "Silversmiths Exhibit Wares in Boston", 11 Oct 1990: C.14
• New York times notice of a juried exhibition during 1995-96, mentioned 26 Nov 1995: 13NJ.1, and also mentioned 21 Jan 1996: 1.

There's more. The society creates major shows. To the article creator, a list of major shows organized would be a good addition to the article. You should add references from external sources to the article, so that the society's Wikipedia notability is clear. --doncram 19:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment: I agree that we should keep WP:BITE in mind more often in these situations.--Theredproject (talk) 13:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep, re-tag, and re-write per doncram's excellent thesis on the sources. The current tag on the article is incorrect as there is no "reference" section per se, only an external link.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 16:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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