Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10
January 10
editNEW NOMINATIONS
editCategory:Events about intersex
edit- Rename
- Option A Category:Events about intersex to Category:Intersex-related events aliging with Category:Intersex-related works. LIrala (talk) 04:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Option B Category:Events about intersex to Category:Intersex events aligning with Category:Gay events and Category:Transgender events.
- At speedy, User:LIrala proposed option A but I would rather go for option B. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Maritime disasters in Kent
edit- Propose merging Category:Maritime disasters in Kent to Category:Maritime incidents in England
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category because I'm not sure if this has anything to do directly with Kent. The waters off Kent or near it but not with it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - category has a sufficient number of entries (including its subcat) that splitting off from the parent cat is justified. Mjroots (talk) 12:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe rename to Category:Maritime disasters in the Strait of Dover. The water seems more relevant than the land. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from Dolní Bousov
edit- Propose merging Category:People from Dolní Bousov to Category:People from Mladá Boleslav District
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Introductions by year
edit- Propose merging Category:1036 introductions (1 P) to Category:1036 beginnings and Category:1030s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1360 introductions (1 P) to Category:1360 beginnings and Category:1360s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1372 introductions (1 P) to Category:1372 beginnings and Category:1370s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1445 introductions (1 P) to Category:1445 beginnings and Category:1440s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1465 introductions (1 P) to Category:1465 beginnings and Category:1460s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1471 introductions (1 P) to Category:1471 beginnings and Category:1470s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1472 introductions (1 P) to Category:1472 beginnings and Category:1470s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1489 introductions (1 P) to Category:1489 beginnings and Category:1480s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1495 introductions (1 P) to Category:1495 beginnings and Category:1490s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1498 introductions (1 P) to Category:1498 beginnings and Category:1490s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1502 introductions (1 P) to Category:1502 beginnings and Category:1500s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1544 introductions (1 P) to Category:1544 beginnings and Category:1540s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1546 introductions (1 P) to Category:1546 beginnings and Category:1540s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1551 introductions (1 P) to Category:1551 beginnings and Category:1550s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1553 introductions (1 P) to Category:1553 beginnings and Category:1550s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1557 introductions (2 P) to Category:1557 beginnings and Category:1550s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1577 introductions (1 P) to Category:1577 beginnings and Category:1570s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1590 introductions (2 C) to Category:1590 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1596 introductions (1 C) to Category:1596 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1597 introductions (1 C) to Category:1597 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1599 introductions (1 C, 2 P) to Category:1599 beginnings and Category:1590s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1600 introductions (1 C) to Category:1600 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1602 introductions (1 C) to Category:1602 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1603 introductions (1 C) to Category:1603 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1605 introductions (1 C, 1 P) to Category:1605 beginnings and Category:1600s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1607 introductions (1 P) to Category:1607 beginnings and Category:1600s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1610 introductions (1 P) to Category:1610 beginnings and Category:1610s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1611 introductions (1 C, 1 P) to Category:1611 beginnings and Category:1610s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1615 introductions (1 C, 2 P) to Category:1615 beginnings and Category:1610s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1620 introductions (1 C, 1 P) to Category:1620 beginnings and Category:1620s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1622 introductions (1 P) to Category:1622 beginnings and Category:1620s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1636 introductions (1 P) to Category:1636 beginnings and Category:1630s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1637 introductions (2 C, 2 P) to Category:1637 beginnings and Category:1630s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1642 introductions (3 P) to Category:1642 beginnings and Category:1640s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1644 introductions (1 C) to Category:1644 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1649 introductions (1 P) to Category:1649 beginnings and Category:1640s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1662 introductions (1 C, 1 P) to Category:1662 beginnings and Category:1660s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1663 introductions (2 C, 3 P) to Category:1663 beginnings and Category:1660s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1664 introductions (2 C) to Category:1664 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1667 introductions (1 P) to Category:1667 beginnings and Category:1660s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1676 introductions (1 C) to Category:1676 beginnings
- Propose merging Category:1682 introductions (1 P) to Category:1682 beginnings and Category:1680s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1686 introductions (1 P) to Category:1686 beginnings and Category:1680s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1687 introductions (1 C, 1 P) to Category:1687 beginnings and Category:1680s introductions
- Propose merging Category:1697 introductions (1 C) to Category:1697 beginnings
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated mostly single-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge at least the ones without subcategories. You gatta be careful with the subcategories, since some are big enough on their own — Category:Literary characters introduced in 1599, for example, contains 7 pages. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am not currently planning to nominate Category:Literary characters introduced in 1599. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge at least the ones without subcategories. You gatta be careful with the subcategories, since some are big enough on their own — Category:Literary characters introduced in 1599, for example, contains 7 pages. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Ante-Nicene Christian martyrs
edit- Propose renaming Category:Ante-Nicene Christian martyrs to Category:Ancient Christian martyrs
- Nominator's rationale: per parent Category:Ancient Christian saints and Category:Ancient Christians. Also, the category tree contains articles well beyond the First Council of Nicaea. For example Abda and Abdisho died in 376. After the rename, Category:5th-century Christian martyrs can be added as a subcategory too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: isn't there a distinct purpose in a category for Christians martyred prior to the widespread adoption of Christianity in the Roman Empire? I realize that the date for this is a bit fuzzy, but the Council of Nicaea seems as reasonable a date as any. Those martyred afterward would seem to have been martyred for different reasons—perhaps a case could be made for including those martyred by Romans who had yet to convert, though Abda and Abdisho apparently were martyred for a different reason and beyond Roman borders, so they and some others could probably be removed from this category.
- Perhaps the solution could be a category titled "Ancient Christian martyrs" with a subcategory for Ante-Nicene martyrs, and which would separately include late Roman (or other) martyrs such as Abda and Abdisho. That would simply be a revision to the "martyr tree", so to speak. I note that I come at this from a non-Christian perspective; I am not particularly fond of the concept of martyrdom, but it is a valid topic in religious history, and it seems to make sense to distinguish between those who were martyred due to anti-Christian persecution by Romans and those martyred post-persecution elsewhere (*wonders if there are Post-Nicene pagan martyrs*). If this category is not preserved, then that distinction would be lost, and probably not to the benefit of the reader. P Aculeius (talk) 11:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are enough articles just mentioning a death in the 4th century without specifying whether it was before or after 325, so the distinction isn't clear anyway. Besides Christianity became an accepted religion quite a few years before Nicaea. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Vaporware video games
edit- Nominator's rationale: There is a variety of issues that I have with this category: First of all, someone has removed titles that have been released a couple months back like Team Fortress 2 or Duke Nukem Forever. Also, vaporware is only a slang term for software that is takes very long to make and is often simply left abandoned (this may cause confusion with the similar term abandonware). The status of individual games in this category also varies: some are currently in active development and have not confirmed to be cancelled, some are just simply officially cancelled, while others are unreleased unknowingly cancelled. This could actually make for a new Unreleased video games category; which would only include video games that are unreleased yet not known to be officially cancelled. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep If List of media notable for being in development hell passes WP:LISTN, then this category is defining beyond a shadow of a doubt. Also it is only for games that the media describes as being vaporware, not ones that users decide are. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Whether or not the term "vaporware" is used in media is a matter of mere coincidence. The list suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Future dialects
edit- Nominator's rationale: Highly dubious categorization; no "catmain" and I could not find any scholarly sources for the sublect. Not to say that not a single item is about a dialect, but about a work of fiction in which allegedly a new dialect is introduced. --Altenmann >talk 03:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. (If kept, at least rename to Category:Fictional dialects.) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Category:Books written in fictional dialects seems too similar. Which entries in this category should be there, but are not already? The only item that is a fictional element is Belter Creole, which is a creole language and is already in Category:Fictional languages. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:39, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Guancha
edit- Propose merging Category:Guancha to Category:Clathrina
- Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS, Guancha has been synonymized with Clathrina. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Communities named for Preston Brooks
edit- Propose Deleting Category:Communities named for Preston Brooks
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC, WP:SHAREDNAME, & WP:NONDEFINING
- Preston Brook really had nothing to do with these 3 towns other than them being later named in his honor. While it's astonishing that communities are still named after him, it's not defining. The biography article mentions the 3 towns, and the town articles mention him, should any reader be interested in this naming topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Travelers Protective Association of America
edit- Propose Deleting Category:Travelers Protective Association of America
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, WP:OCASSOC, & WP:MFN
- The only articles in this category are Travelers Protective Association of America and First Christian Church (Clinton, Kentucky). The latter is included because members of the TPAA donated a stained glass window. (No objection to recreating later should more content emerge.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for now per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Electronics industry in the Philippines
edit- Nominator's rationale: Contains only a navbox, whose only contents are companies. Abandoned by its creator, and initially had itself as a subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for now, Category:Electronics companies of the Philippines suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:IAC (company)
edit- Propose renaming Category:IAC (company) to Category:IAC Inc.
- Propose renaming Category:IAC (company) people to Category:IAC Inc. people
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, main article has been at IAC Inc. for over a year. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:International baseball competitions in Europe by year
edit- Propose merging Category:International baseball competitions in Europe by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:International baseball competitions in Europe
- Propose deleting Category:European baseball by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Nothing about these categories is "by year". Completely redundant categories that are not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge/Delete These categories certainly sound reasonable but, when you click on them, they're not grouping by year. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. The second category contains competitions, the content should be in the tree of Category:Baseball competitions in Europe by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment as the creator, this was an attempt to unclog the Category:International baseball competitions in Europe, except I had started from the wrong end as the real problem was the non diffusing inclusion within there and its subcategories, sometimes by three levels. I ran out of time to fix the created categories.
- An Alternate suggestion would be to rename as "Seasons in X" rather than "X per Year", since that is what essentially end up being categorized, rather than per initially intentioned names. Respublik (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)