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Maia Sandu Maia Sandu (pictured) is re-elected President of Moldova. In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. A canopy collapse at Serbia's Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people. The ruins of a Maya city, dubbed Valeriana, are discovered in Campeche, Mexico. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Teri Garr Paul Stephenson Peanut Dub Jones Janey Godley Edzard Reuter view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 5

Portal:Current events/2024 November 5

November 5, 2024 (2024-11-05) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 29 Palestinians are killed in Israeli-conducted morning airstrikes on several tent camps across the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Law and crime Railway workers launch an eight-hour-long strike in Italy after a train manager was stabbed and critically wounded yesterday aboard a train near Rivarolo Ligure. Several trains are canceled, with only 30% of services guaranteed. (Ansa) Politics and elections 2024 United States elections Voters across the United States go to the polls for a range of federal, state and local elections, including the presidential election. Millions of Americans have already voted early or by mail. (CNN) (USA Today) 2024 Palauan general election Citizens of Palau vote for a President and for the National Congress. (RNZ)

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RD: Sammy Basso

Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest close Subject died on 5 October 2024 with the obit sourced on his page being dated as 10 October 2024. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed until at least the evening) 2024 United States presidential election

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Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, there will be an upcoming presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An presidential election is about to occur in the United States.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The upcoming election can change the nature of American politics.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Rager7 (talk · give credit)
• Created by LavaBaron (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and close as way premature. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
• Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.

Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?

Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, the blurbs are extremely vague and doesn't mean anything. Save the ITN nomination for when the results are in. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 4

Portal:Current events/2024 November 4

November 4, 2024 (2024-11-04) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Attacks on health facilities during the Israel–Hamas war Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges At least twelve Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, including seven at the Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, North Gaza Governorate. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Israeli secret document leak scandal Israel Police arrest a top Netanyahu aide after opponents accused the aide of leaking allegedly false classified intelligence to prevent a potential Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal. (CNN) (BBC News) (The Times of Israel) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least three people are killed in an Israeli attack on residential buildings in Ghazieh and Sidon, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Ukraine says that its forces have engaged North Korean troops for the first time in Kursk Oblast, Russia. (The Independent) Arts and culture The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet, an unidentified song recorded from a German Norddeutscher Rundfunk station in 1984, is identified as "Subways of Your Mind" by the band FEX. (404 Media) Disasters and accidents 2024 Almora bus accident At least 36 people are killed and 27 others are injured when a bus plunges into a gorge near Marchula, Uttarakhand, India. (The Indian Express) (ABC News) At least ten people are killed in the eruption of Mount Lewotobi Lakilaki in Flores, Indonesia. (Al Jazeera) International relations Indonesia–Russia relations The Indonesian Navy and the Russian Navy begin their first ever joint military exercise in the Java Sea. (DW) Law and crime Women's rights in Iran Amnesty International demands the release of Iranian university student Ahoo Daryaei, who was arrested after stripping to her underwear and marching through the Islamic Azad University campus in Tehran, Iran, on Saturday. (Sky News) Four teenagers are injured, two critically, in a fight involving an axe on a RER train at the Ozoir-la-Ferrière station in Seine-et-Marne, France. The main suspect is later arrested at his home. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse Serbian Minister of Construction, Transport and Infrastructure Goran Vesić resigns and accepts responsibility for the deadly canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station on Friday. (DW)

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RD: Bernard Marcus

Article: Bernard Marcus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Home Depot. I am posting this based on what CNN is saying but the day of the death may be off as its based on a company memo. Article has about a half dozen unsourced statements that need to be fixed. Masem (t) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Support because his company, Home Depot, is very notable and he was a Republican megadonor. The article could use some extra sources, but it merits RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Murray Sinclair

Article: Murray Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by -insert valid name here- (talk · give credit)
• Updated by F3ndot (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indigenous Canadian judge, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Comission. Article has some unreferenced statements, but is mostly good. Blurb might be warranted but I doubt he is a recognizable figure outside of Canada. -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready It's close, but there's a few areas where citations are needed. I'm not sure how ITN will rate the guy who chaired a genocide commission, arguably the most important commission in recent Canadian history. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  It sure wasn't thrilled with the Pope's recent(ish) apology, but unanimously supported that first big unmarked graves discovery. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sinclair was a very notable individual for his work and life in an often under-reported and lesser known part of Canadian society: Indigenous issues, both contemporary and historical. For the very reason that his name is not familiar to many, but is lauded by many organizations in his passing with statements, is exactly why its fitting for his passing to be nominated for ITN. That being said, the article had some issues at the beginning but with some TLC by a few contributors it's getting better cited claims and structure. —f3ndot ^{(TALK) (EMAIL)} 13:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 Uttarakhand bus accident

Article: 2024 Almora bus accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tragic bus accident in Uttarakhand, India leaves 36 dead and 27 injured (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 36 killed as bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India
Alternative blurb II: ​ A bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India, leaving 36 people dead and 27 people injured.
News source(s): The hindu Indianexpress Business today
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality: Poor citation style and lack of content. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have expanded the article and converted many links into citations TNM101 (chat) 11:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Undecided Notable, but a little bit short. Grimes2 (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Common occurrence. 2 a year for the past two years that have made it passed WP:N. Likely a few more that have not. Fact of life in such countries. 202.53.51.66 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We're back to NOTNEWS territory problems again. Most road traffic accidents are not going to have any long tail of notability, and probably best to include on one of several lists we have that document such accidents. --Masem (t) 13:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on Notability but Wait on quality We posted the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash, so there seems to be no reason not to post this. Maybe a bit of expansion will help TNM101 (chat) 15:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with TNM101 Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Without commenting on the ITN-worthiness of the item, I shall point out that the article is a stub, and we do not post stubs. Schwede66 23:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is not ready and is calling this an accident which contradicts WP:NPOV Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

In what conceivable way does calling this an accident breach NPOV? GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I think the point being made (not that I necessarily agree) is that it asserts, without evidence, that it was not a driver suicide, sabotage, etc. Bremps... 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Accident implies that there was no precipitating human factor or fault resulting in the crash which is not for us to determine. Crash is simply the more accurate terminology and does not prematurely absolve anyone of fault. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, I see your point. However, RS such as the BBC are using 'accident'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, added altblurb2 as I feel neither of the current blurbs either contains proper clarification or objective tone. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Though I do remember including a few of these in ITN in the past (must have been during slower news cycles). At that time the rationale was the number of deaths is significant and thereby fits notability criteria for ITN. But I do think WP:NOTNEWS applies here more strongly Schwinnspeed (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

RD/blurb: Quincy Jones

Article: Quincy Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American record producer and composer Quincy Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 91 (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music producer, among other roles. Article needs a bit of work but not far off. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs some ref work done. Seeing how he's won nearly 30 Grammys, had a major impact on the music industry that propelled the careers of several influential singers/musicians, I could see an argument for a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb but Oppose on quality. Transformative figure in his field and widely-recognised name beyond his industry. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb but not ready on quality. His name speaks for itself. Flibirigit (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  No, it really doesn't, especially not on a global scale. Explain. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for RD Per above, this is a widely-recognized name that speaks for itself, making the other twelve proposed words extra. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  We should never be relying on fame or household name for any aspect. That is feeding the systematic bias. We should assume readers on the front page do not know who these people are. — Masem (t) 13:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  By that logic, we'd describe the other six RDs, which we don't. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose now on quality for any posting. Now, here's a person I'd think be worthy of a blurb, but at this point Oppose blurb because the article currently lacks the type of clear summary of why he's a legacy in the music business, though that likely can be fixed to improve it. We need to avoid hand-waving claims of importance and make sure the article has established that through sourcing. Its just not doing that right now, which is part of the quality issue as well. --Masem (t) 13:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose RD citations needed, and article needs work, also oppose blurb Scuba 15:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Seriously, guys? Textbook OLDMANDIES. Not a serving politician. Certainly not a household name. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  Blurbs aren't reserved for serving politicians and he is very much a household name. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  Since ITN is for news events, a death should only be blurbed if the death itself is a news event; a serving politician dying is notable in and of itself because it has repercussions for the gov't in question. Moreover, I don't know where you're from but I'd never heard of him. Nelson Mandela he was not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not for news events. It is to feature quality articles that are in the news. If you want news events, read Wikinews. — Masem (t) 12:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  I strongly disagree on Quincy Jones being a household name, while I agree he's a major figure in the recording industry, he's far from a household name, such as how your average human anywhere in the world is far more likely to know who Musk or Zuckerberg is. I hadn't even heard of him before his death. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 09:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb as a highly relevant person in his field. However, the article does not seem to be ready. Hopefully it'll get fixed soon. RD is fine anyway. Bedivere (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb, notable individual, but not on par of that of a head of state. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

November 3

Portal:Current events/2024 November 3

November 3, 2024 (2024-11-03) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of North Gaza More than 50 children are killed in Israeli airstrikes in Jabalia in northern Gaza in the past two days. (Al Jazeera) At least 31 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, primarily in northern Gaza, according to Palestinian medics. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Pokrovsk offensive The Russian Ministry of Defense and Ukrainian military news site DeepStateUA report that Russia has captured the settlement of Vyshneve in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, with Russian troops advancing towards Hryhorivka to the west. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes Dozens of people are killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on over two dozen settlements in the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Three people are killed and nine others are injured in Israeli airstrikes in Sidon, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir At least eleven people are injured in a grenade explosion caused by an unknown militant group in a flea market in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (Reuters) Three rebels are killed and four security personnel are injured during two separate shootouts in Anantnag district, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (AP) Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Two police officers are injured in a stabbing attack by Naxalite insurgents in Sukma, Chhattisgarh, India, with their weapons being stolen. (Indian Express) Somali Civil War Three people are killed and several others are injured when Al-Shabaab fires several mortar shells into the Halane base camp in Mogadishu, Somalia. (The Eastleigh Voice) (Horseed Media) Disasters and accidents Fourteen people are killed and 34 others are injured in a lightning strike at the Palabek Refugee Settlement in Lamwo District, Uganda. (AP) A truck plunges into a ravine in Morona-Santiago Province, Ecuador, killing ten people. A 3-year-old girl is the sole survivor of the crash, according to police. (AP) Health and environment Air pollution in Lahore The air pollution in Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan, reaches a record-high air quality index score of 1,900, with the Punjab government ordering a mandatory closure of all primary schools for one week, blaming stubble burning for the poor air quality. (BBC News) (Geo News) (NDTV) Politics and elections 2024 Moldovan presidential election Moldovans vote for a President in the second round of the presidential election. (The Guardian) Incumbent President Maia Sandu wins reelection, defeating former Prosecutor General Alexandr Stoianoglo amid allegations of Russian interference. (Euronews) (Reuters) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse Hundreds of activists engage in demonstrations in Belgrade, Serbia, to protest state corruption and negligence by Serbian officials which lead to the deadly collapse of a canopy at the Novi Sad railway station on Friday. (Reuters) October 2024 Spain floods Protestors pelt the King and Queen of Spain, Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, and Valencian President Carlos Mazón with objects and mud and boo them as "murderers" during their visit to Paiporta, Valencia. Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is evacuated from the area after being hit with a shovel. (Levante) (AP) (BBC News) Sports 2024 Japan Series In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series in six games, capturing their third championship and their first since 1998. (NHK) 2024 New York City Marathon Somali-Dutch distance runner Abdi Nageeye wins the 53rd New York City Marathon men's race with a time of 2:07:39. Kenyan distance runner Sheila Chepkirui wins the women's race with a time of 2:24:35. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) 2024 Moldovan presidential election

Article: 2024 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova, defeating Alexandr Stoianoglo in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Super Dromaeosaurus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not much to be said except that it's a significant election. BastianMAT (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Obviously a major story, and ITNR. As an aside, the BBC needs to get a less compromised Chisinau correspondent; they're still reporting Stoianoglo is ahead while other sources are saying Sandu has won; they did the equivalent with the referendum too. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  They've flipped now. But still, if I had a nickel for every time this year the BBC wrongly called a Moldovan national poll for the pro-Russian choice, I'd have at least two nickels. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support thus concludes the story of these elections and referendum, that international media have presented as a choice between the West and Russia (hence the relevance of this result). Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITN/R, and besides some results still needing to trickle in the article looks good. Amazing that Moldova was able to just power through Russian interference. Scuba 22:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support because it's a major event, with her victory being considered pro-EU, compared to her pro-Russia opponent. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Japan Series

Article: 2024 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. (Post)
News source(s): NHK
Credits:

• Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
• Created by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Torsodog (talk · give credit), RingoSB (talk · give credit) and Kboybaseball1994 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I can't comment on quality as I am not versed in baseball, but this is ITN/R and a concluded event. I will say this is more likely to be posted than many of the other stories that have appeared on ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

No problem. You're excellent for everyone. Kboybaseball1994 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support good quality article, ITN/R. We recently posted the World Series and this is just as prestigious. –DMartin 19:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Just as prestigious as the World Series, and much more accurately named. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good, can we get the game 6 MVP in as an image? Scuba 22:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Monkey business

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Article: Infinite monkey theorem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The expected life of the universe has been shown to be insufficient time for monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Franklin Open, New Scientist, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by pete unseth (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is peer-reviewed science and is getting good mainstream coverage. The conclusion was already well covered by our article and our advanced primates are already on the job of expanding it. It's interesting to find that actual experiments have been done and that one trouble seems to be that the results are not random -- one result was a systemic bias to the letter S, which limits the possibilities. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - This isn't a new discovery; it's a confirmation of something already well-known. Our own article Orders of magnitude (numbers) has the probability that a monkey will type the works of Shakespeare starting at any given input as the very smallest number it mentions, at approximately 10^−183,800. The reciprocal of that number is unimaginably greater than the age of the universe measured in Planck time units. The infinite monkey theorem was formulated to illustrate a point about infinity, so it shouldn't be a surprise that even very large finite quantities encountered in reality are insufficient. This is largely an exercise in the innumeracy of science journalists. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose per above. Anyone could have calculated this, myself included, given enough time (or not, given the results of this calculation). It isn't a new element of math which we'll reference for years to come, it's just putting to bed an old figure of speech. Sensationalism at its finest. Departure– (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Fun story, but as others said I feel like this thought experiment has already been explored, there wouldn't be enough time before thermodynamic stasis in the universe for a monkey to randomly type out Shakespeare. Some interesting conclusions but this is more for DYK than ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per GenevieveDEon. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this study basically remove the "infinite" aspect of the thought experiment? That to me seems to undermine its relevance to the topic. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

It does. (There's also a degree of subtlety in the original theorem, around the term almost certain, which is of interest.) This research is basically saying that it really does have to be infinite, or at least completely out of scale with the entire known universe, for the result to apply. But as I noted in my original !vote, we knew that, and already had it documented here on Wikipedia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 2

Portal:Current events/2024 November 2

November 2, 2024 (2024-11-02) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip 2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic Six people are injured, including two children, in an Israeli strike on a polio vaccination centre in northern Gaza as the World Health Organization vaccination campaign resumes with its second phase. (Al Jazeera) Safety of journalists UNESCO reports that the killings of journalists worldwide increased by 38% in 2022–2023, compared to the two previous years, equating to one journalist killed every four days. (DW) Somali Civil War At least two people are killed and several others are injured in fights between two Somali security factions in Hodan District, Mogadishu, Somalia. (Caasimadda Online) (Hiiraan Online) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods October 2024 Spain floods The death toll from the flooding in Spain, primarily in the Valencian Community, increases to 214, with dozens still missing. The Spanish government deploys an additional 5,000 soldiers and 5,000 police officers, making this the country's largest deployment of army and security personnel in peacetime. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Four people are killed and 17 others are injured when a truck crashes into several stopped vehicles on Interstate 96 near Webberville, Michigan, United States. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Bolivia protests The government of Bolivia accuses supporters of former President Evo Morales of detaining and holding more than 200 soldiers hostage during protests against the sitting Luis Arce government. (El Diario) (DW) 2024 Conservative Party leadership election Kemi Badenoch is elected leader of the United Kingdom's Conservative Party, following the resignation of Rishi Sunak. (The Guardian) 2024 Mozambican general election The death toll from police gunfire during crackdowns on protests of the October 9 election increases to eleven. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Paul Stephenson

Article: Paul Stephenson (civil rights campaigner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RockRiverTree (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British community worker and civil rights activist. Article is GA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Could only find one significant unsourced statement which I’ve added a reference to. yorkshiresky (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: I changed a couple of inline refs into footnotes. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dub Jones

Article: Dub Jones (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], Cleveland Browns
Credits:

• Nominated by Wizardman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player whose article is a GA. Source isn't the strongest right now but more should arrive in the next couple hours. Wizardman 17:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks fine. Death is now being reported by main news sources. Natg 19 (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Meets quality requirements, is a GA.—Bagumba (talk) 17:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

European floods

Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by roncanada (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Could slowly become one of the worst natural disaster in recent European history, if not already. --Roncanada (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose This is a string of unrelated weather events, though reasonable to cover as a single article, but it is not like this is one long flood that is affecting more and more people daily. We posted the Spain floods, but there's no indication that system is continuing to create floods elshewer. --Masem (t) 16:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem and the fact that the majority of the floods happened weeks apart 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as per above. The European floods are only related insofar as they are all a result of climate change; they are not a singular ongoing event receiving frequent updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak

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Article: Kemi Badenoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak as the leader of the Conservative Party. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Pretty notable shift in British politics. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong support New head of government. I'd argue this is ITN/R. Forgot Starmer was head of government now. Oppose for now, we didn't post Starmer coming to power before Labour's majority that made him PM (April 2020, didn't even get nominated), even when he was head of opposition, so I'd argue that when the same happens to the Conservative party it isn't any more notable. Departure– (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Interesting that it wasn't nominated at all. I reckon this is a large change nonetheless though, and notable enough to be ITN. It feels like ITN sometimes misses some pretty important nominations. Would've been great if it was nominated back then so we could've gotten opinions on headlines like this, but I'm nominating it to see what the people here at ITN think. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

For a more recent opinion, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2023#January 3 had the 2022 US midterms concluding with Hakeem Jeffries becoming House minority leader, again a change of leadership of the second largest party in one of the world's most important institutions. That itself was not nominated (only the election as a whole was), and despite Jeffries being the first African American US house party leader (comparable to Badenoch being the first Black woman leader of a major UK party), Jeffries is only mentioned in a single reply in that entire thread. A new minority leader in a democracy, failing being a very major first larger than what Jeffries and Badenoch are, isn't an item for ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

In this case though, I don't think the comparison is that equal. To be the minority leader of the House of Representatives isn't the equivalent of being the party leader or the candidate for president (or prime minister if you will). A more appropriate comparison would be if Kamala Harris was replaced with another candidate instead. Do you not think that would be appropriate for ITN in that case? TwistedAxe [contact] 15:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

There was an ITN discussion when Kamala replaced Biden for the presidential nominee back in August and that went nowhere. Only Biden's withdrawl was posted, and that was notable because he had secured enough delegates to be the next nominee. The differences between the US and UK political systems make this a tough comparison. Departure– (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I feel like the withdrawal was posted because it was a notable event, yes, but also because it was kind of obvious and covered his replacement by Harris. It would be redundant to post 2 separate ITN noms that more or less cover the same subject. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support In a democratic system, the leader of the opposition is an important post. A major change in British politics. Grimes2 (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose How many party leaders have the conservative party had for the last several years? But seriously, if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system. It doesn't make sense to me. Yakikaki (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Why does it matter if the Conservative party has had alot of party leaders the past few years? And to answer the second statement, do you really not think the UK is a major democratic nation? I'd argue as a non-Brit myself that the UK exerts a massive amount of influence over other countries in the region and globally. Obviously the leadership of a country like that will also affect other countries? TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe you misunderstand Yakikaki's comment. They are not saying that the UK is not democratic. if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system means that they do not want to make a precedent to have an ITN entry for party leader changes for any country that has a "democratic" governmental system (this could in theory refer to any country that has elections, whether rigged or fair). Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Leader change of a political party is not suffifciently significant and I imagine would not be nominated for any other country. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support My general philosophy is, "if it's an interesting occurrence that is in the news and getting widespread coverage, then post it". This rings true here. To put it bluntly, Badenoch becoming leader is more newsworthy than Starmer becoming leader because she is the first Black person to lead a major British political party. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  An internal party leadership election is more notable than the first change in government in one of the world's largest economies in 14 years? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is an internal party matter. Sunak is not head of government any more, and Badenoch may well never be. We have a lot of actual national elections currently nominated or coming up, and this just isn't in the same league. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Yakikaki, right now Badenoch's highest office is simply the leader of the opposition. We don't tend to remark much on party leadership changes in non-ruling parties. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Indeed, there have been many Leader of the Opposition (United Kingdom). Grimes2 (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom per above. While undoubtedly a significant event in UK politics, AFAIK we have never posted the election of an opposition leader. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Speaking from the UK this is a major political development, but not enough for international news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This seems like a very one country specific story. I'm not aware of any precedent for posting non-government political party leadership changes. Quite a few people here even opposed posting a change in head of government of France. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Another one of those stories we would never nominate if it hadn't happened in an English-speaking country. We could find equal coverage in those countries when Spain, Germany, Italy etc. elect a new opposition leader, just it would be niche news in the Anglosphere. Curiously, I looked up whether Jeremy Corbyn was nominated in 2015 (a much bigger internal ideological shift) and it was just as opposed for the same reason. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not a change of head of state or government, or involving an incumbent. This is just an internal party leadership change.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Janey Godley

Article: Janey Godley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Launchballer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I have never nominated anything here before so forgive me if I'm missing something. I've given this a fairly robust copyedit - what else does this need? Launchballer 13:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article in good condition. Good work. Grimes2 (talk) 13:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Nothing wrong with the quality of this article. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Good work, Launchballer. Schwede66 04:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cassius

Article: Cassius (crocodile) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Support - A squirrel and a crocodile, wonder what's next PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now, there's more information on the crocodile's last months that's out there that should be added to the article first. Departure– (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article body is three sentences long. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Article is currently a stub, and we don't post stubs. Schwede66 04:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

November 1

Portal:Current events/2024 November 1

November 1, 2024 (2024-11-01) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of North Gaza, Gaza famine, Israeli generals' plan The United Nations declares the situation in northern Gaza as "apocalyptic", with the entire Palestinian population there at "imminent risk of dying from disease, famine and violence" due to Israeli bombardments and aid blockage. (Reuters) 2024 Israeli secret document leak scandal Arrests have been made over suspected leaks of classified documents, involving an official closely associated with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (The Times of Israel) Somali Civil War Puntland–Somaliland dispute Las Anod conflict At least ten people, including four civilians, are killed and fifteen others are injured in battles between Somaliland and Khatumo State forces in the Cayn and Togdheer regions. (Horseed Media) (Hiiraan Online) 2024 Bolivian protest An "irregular armed group" captures a Bolivian military base near Cochabamba, Bolivia, kidnapping military personnel and seizing weapons from the base. Bolivian president Luis Arce says that the group are affiliated with former president Evo Morales. (CNN) (DW) Insurgency in Balochistan At least nine people are killed and 29 others are injured in a bombing near a girls' school in Mastung, Balochistan, Pakistan, targeting a polio vaccination drive. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Israeli naval commandos launch a raid in northern Lebanon. Lebanese media says it was carried out in coordination with the German Navy to prevent the Lebanese Navy from interfering. (The Times of Israel) Business and economy The People's Republic of China revises its regulations for foreign investors in its listed companies, seeking to attract more such investment by expanding eligibility criteria and easing financial requirements. (CNBC) Disasters and Accidents 2024 European floods October 2024 Spain floods The death toll from the floods in Spain, primarily in the Valencian Community, increases to 205, with several others still missing. (BBC News) (AP) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse Fourteen people are killed and three others are injured when a canopy collapses at the railway station in Novi Sad, Serbia. (ABC News) Law and crime Human traffickers deliberately capsized a boat carrying migrants off the coast of Comoros en route to Mayotte, killing 25 people. Five others are rescued alive. (Al Jazeera) Thieves steal two paintings from Andy Warhol's Reigning Queens collection and damage two others at the MPV Gallery in Oisterwijk, North Brabant, Netherlands. (AP) (De Telegraaf) Three people, including a local leader of the Santa Muerte religious movement, are killed and eight others are injured in a mass shooting in León, Guanajuato, Mexico. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Botswana general election Botswana's ruling party, the Botswana Democratic Party, concedes defeat in Wednesday's election, ending its 58-year rule. (Reuters) Kenyan Interior Minister Kithure Kindiki is sworn in as Deputy President of Kenya after the High Court lifted an order that prevented Kindiki's swearing-in yesterday. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Peanut the squirrel

Article: Peanut (squirrel) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Count Iblis (talk) 12:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose the squirrel isn't notable enough to get attention In the News. Rager7 (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Rager7, please look again. International news and coast-to-coast in the U.S. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  For a day or so. Secretlondon (talk) 13:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  Rager7, this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose the article does not demonstrate the subject's notability. Regardless of whether or not the ITN rule of "all RDs are notable" is in effect I'd still oppose on quality; demonstrating notability is a pretty big part of the 'quality' in posted RD articles that we do have a say in. This village pump discussion stated that social media followers aren't used to justify notability alone, and beyond that the squirrel's only claim to fame is being euthanized which is by no means unusual. If and when the article gets more significant coverage, let me know and I'll change my vote, but this article was created just now and the headlines might have some sensationalism in their motives. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Support Because of formal reasons. Article is too short. Grimes2 (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article was created today (so we can question notability here), and ignoring the last few days of news burst coverage, I'm not finding much to demonstrate that there was notability to start with. A few articles here and there but not from very strong sources. --Masem (t) 13:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Removing my Oppose since the article was kept and we have that ITNRD practice. But consider this a non support abstain, as I think this whole situation is the epidemic problem with editors failing to follow NOTNEWS and being able to distinguish what is appropriate for an encyclopedia and what is sensalist news content. Masem (t) 15:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and redirect to New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.--Launchballer 13:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  This is an argument for a deletion discussion on the target page. Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD. Departure– (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, although a stub the page is well sourced, and the controversy surrounding this death has been internationally covered. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  This is an example of how a burst of news is not equivalent to notability per WP:N and WP:NEVENTS. Unless there was significant coverage before the death, then this is not a notable topic for WP. Masem (t) 15:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Masem, please reconsider, as the squirrel is getting international coverage now mainly because it has been an internet star for years. A notable topic, and worthy of notice in RD. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  How much significant coverage is there of the pre-death facets? Yes, was famous on TikTok but the articles that I am seeing do not going much more beyond that. That's not notable for our purposes. — Masem (t) 00:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is a stub and nominated for deletion. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Subject is not notable, story is not headline news, one of the main news references given is an admitted hoax, and the article is at AfD. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Decent RS. ~ HAL333 (VOTE!) 23:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major news item, many people will come here looking for information about it. Dream Focus 00:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is not a newspaper, though. If you want to see this posted you can participate in the deletion discussion. Departure– (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Support a national tragedy. Scuba 02:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Seriously??? Masem (t) 02:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Why is it always the gamers and anime nerds who want to censor things here? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not censorship to say that the death of two small animals is not a national tragedy. It's a plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

the deaths are not the crux of the story. The government signing a search warrant to raid the homes of people with a non rabid squirrel to kill it based off one random internet complaint is the story. How do all of you super editors not get that? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Then as Launchballer suggests, this doesn't belong in a biography of the squirrel (or the raccoon), but in New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Why? Do you redirect murder victim pages to the murders biography? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment for the reviewing admin: The page is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut (squirrel) on notability grounds, and arguments are split roughly between "keep / significant reliable source coverage" and "delete / sensationalist and otherwise not notable". Consensus is not overwhelming towards one side or the other at the moment. Departure– (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Are we looking at the same AfD? It should be closed per Snow, as there is no chance of deletion with the sources which have been added. You opened it after saying above "Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD.", so the argument could easily be made that you opened the AfD mainly to keep the topic away from RD, which is why a snow close would at least bring the topic back here for a timely decision and not stop it via the AfD route. But, importantly, you also said that if you saw more significant coverage you would change your vote, and much coverage has been added since, so, who knows? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I did start the AfD to keep it from RD, I will admit that here. I wouldn't have started the AfD had I not, in good faith, believed the subject was not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, with reasons and policy to back it up. Many of the votes were all keep but they all ignored that the main point was against sensationalism which a few others, including Masem, an administrator, have supported. "Significant coverage" in my eyes means that the coverage clearly demonstrates why the subject is notable, which I have yet to see. What I do see is a lot of articles stating the same, non-notable facts again. Also, this reply appears to me to be moreso an attempt at catching me in a fallacy than it is proving the point that the RD should be posted, and I'd advise against that. Comment on content, not contributors. Departure– (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

There's no "catching" involved, just hoping the AfD closes soon so that this discussion has at least a chance at passing or failing without the roadblock (does that happen often here?, the AfD-defense). The only fallacy would be if you come to the point of seeing enough significant coverage and didn't change your vote. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD any "person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post", the article, while nominated for deletion, will obviously be kept based on the existing consensus. Article is good quality and this is a relatively high-profiles scandal. Neutral on blurb at this point, but probably would've supported one had it been proposed closer to the event. –DMartin 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Please take unrelated political discussion to the couvent de l'Annonciation. DatGuyTalkContribs
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Overthrow the government. 2607:FEA8:929C:A100:288A:44F7:A7CD:CC63 (talk) 04:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC) I am perplexed by the political slant of a lot of the drive-by commentary on this case. See also: [2]. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC) A government agnecy went to a private citizens house, seized his pets and killed them because of a complaint to a government agency from a person who doesn't even live there and you're confused as to why people are upset about government overstepping? Are you being serious? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC) I'm serious that 'overthrow the government' is ridiculously hyperbolic in a case of overreach by a local animal control agency. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC) It's a state agency and again, it was a trained house pet. Are you even American? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC) Why does another editor being American or not matter? Comment on content, not contributors, please! Departure– (talk) 14:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC) Because american government oversight is why the story is notable. So yes, an editor not being american or living in america would struggle to understand why americans are so up in arms about this. It is not about the squirrel, it is about what the squirrel represents. How do you continue to not understand this? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC) The argument needs to be made in sufficiently objective terms that a non-American can understand it. We never restrict participation in these debates on the basis of the location or nationality of the participants, and we're not about to start for the sake of a squirrel. Other places have governments, people in other countries have pets, and other nations' and regions' government agencies have, and abuse, all kinds of powers including with regard to pets and livestock. I am fully capable of considering those situations in places other than my own. There's nothing magical about America; it just happens to be where this case occurred. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC) If that was the case, why are there articles about animals like Harambe, only made famous by their death at the hands of the government? You will never be able to justify deleting entries that users of Wikipedia want. You should learn what the word editor means because it doesn't mean gatekeeper. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC) I'm not American; but I am British, and my instinct outside the US context is to use 'state' to mean 'nationally-run', which is the usual sense here in the UK. I was using 'local' as a contrast to 'national' or 'federal'. And none of that has any bearing on the fact that the political rhetoric here and elsewhere about this case is absurdly hyperbolic. Let's see people get this worked up about, say, maternal mortality in the US. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC) Pretty sure family values are a main talking point in the US right now. Again, if you lived in the USA, you'd know this. I have a feeling the reason you want this deleted is much more political than you will admit. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC) Please play the ball and not the man. Your feelings about my motives are irrelevant. The article itself doesn't say anything about the political overtones of the case. In fact, if a reliable source can be found which adds that detail to the article, I think it would go a lot further to demonstrating notability. If that were done, then this entire discussion would be moot, because it would meet the RD criteria automatically. But I'm also not sure what squirrels and raccoons have to do with family values. That seems to be somewhat out of left field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Blurb As the death is the story. Reminds me of Freya who was posted at ITN and now has a substantial statue. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, obviously, and let this stand as another example of Andrew's deeply unserious and unhelpful approach to posting at ITNC. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  If you have an issue with Andrew and his approach, ITNC is not the place to air it. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  @GenevieveDEon: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 21:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  I have to agree that Andrew's approach to ITN seems to be deliberately disruptive. He opposed posting a blurb for a national referendum on EU membership in Moldova, but supports a blurb for the death of a previously non-notable squirrel? Could anyone show a better example of systemic Anglosphere bias? AusLondonder (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb massive human interest story where onerous government regulation and dehumanization is front and center. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think dehumanisation is particularly at stake in a case where the only casualties are a squirrel and a raccoon. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, your opinion here sucks and shows a clear lack of empathy and compassion. I hope the government kills your dog. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I honestly don't hope that, I'm just using it to illustrate a point (in a couple different ways). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I am perplexed at your vehemence, as well as your position. 'It sucks' is no more a rebuttal than 'I wish harm on you or your pets'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I've already explained that I don't wish any harm upon your beloved fur babies, so I'm sorry you feel that way. My intention was to invoke the humanizing aspect of this story. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD The culling by the authorities was correct. The squirrel bit a person, so the test for rabies was necessary. Should be mentioned in the article. Grimes2 (talk) 14:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  the person was not bit, they were wearing gloves that squirrels cannot bite through. This is why the article is needed, correcting the misinformation. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both blurb and RD per above. If it was located anywhere else this wouldn't even be a conversation. Wizardman 14:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

No blurb is proposed in the nomination (and comments about a blurb just show the depth of commitment that this death is worth an RD), and what does 'located anywhere else' pertain to? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support This is one of the largest news events for the past couple of days, and has significant implications regarding government overreach, misallocation of government resources, and animal rights. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

This just isn't true. The Spanish floods (and the subsequent heckling of the King), the Novi Sad roof collapse, and the Tory party leadership result (correctly rejected above), are all much bigger stories. This is a flash in the pan. This is someone's fifteen minutes of fame, no more and no less, and we're not obliged to participate in that circus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

none of those things reached north American news cycles. By your own metrics, that means they aren't relevant. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be claiming that by my standards, the death of a squirrel in New York is more important than the death of over a dozen people in Serbia. I can assure you that's not what I meant. You seem to be new here - as do several other participants in this discussion - so I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards before you make absurd assertions about relevance. (The Spanish story is near the top of the CNN homepage right now, so your claim about US news cycles is also plainly false.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@64.229.210.77: Your comment that the major Spanish floods did not reach the "north American news cycles" is a complete fabrication and does not reflect well on your arguments nor your news consumption. AusLondonder (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Shouldn't even be an article, pure WP:NOTNEWS. Anyone who has posted that this is a major worldwide news story needs to have a serious word with themselves. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe you should brush up on RD, deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Peanut is an animal, with an article that died recently, therefore is important enough to post an RD. Scuba 16:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

"An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion." Peanut's article is currently nominated for deletion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for informing someone who has been here 17 years and is a regular on this page what the rule says. I'm pointing out that I don't believe there should be an article, though it appears that most of the people at the AfD appear to believe that a few news stories are equivalent to notability... Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

The article was created yesterday, so we are at a stage that we have to evaluate its notability. We've had this problem a few times before where a human being, not yet shown notable, only got coverage due to a accidental death (like getting into a drunk driving accident). --Masem (t) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD - No idea why people are starting deletion discussions in ITN. Also the story around this poor squirrel's death is causing significant media coverage, so this article absolutely deserves to stay. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to everyone this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Any arguments that you would normally make for or against posting as a blurb are irrelevant. See WP:ITNRD. And no, the subject does not need to be human. The only requirements are that the subject has a Wikipedia page, and that the Wikipedia page is not in a miserable state. Disappointed that one of the oppose !voters admittedly only nominated the article for deletion to obstruct this RD nomination on the technicality that it cannot be posted to RD if it is currently nominated for deletion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Because the article was created the same day as the nomination, so its notability can be fully raised as an issue. It implies something along the lines of WP:BLP1E, which is not a reason for creation of a article, in addition to failing to show enduring coverage as required by WP:N and NEVENT. Masem (t) 21:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

"The government is a mindless and heartless killing machine... It's possible, Deputy Dawg, it's possible" - Musky Muskrat. Ah, the price of Wiki fame... created today, cremated tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD We have posted other animals of similar significance and stature before, I think we posted an RD for a duck or something like that a while ago if I'm not mistaken. The story of how the squirrel was taken away is also pretty tragic. This should 100% be posted to RD, but shouldn't get a blurb. Hungry403 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Nature or circumstances of death are not usually relevant. Provided the article is good enough, it's an RD like any other. I'm not sure if any animal has ever been given a blurb.... "outstanding in his field"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

FYI, the death of Knut (polar bear) was blurbed. Also the first hatching of wild white storks in the UK in 600 years was blurbed as a significant birth (as opposed to the usual deaths). It seems likely that there have been other animal blurbs as we have several horse races in ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I must have missed that one 13 years ago. So maybe not a one-horse race after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support The entire thing seems quite ridiculous, but the relative inanity of a topic is not a condition of its newsworthiness. Our job is not to create an ideal news ecosystem, but to reflect the reality of the extant news ecosystem, as imperfect as that might be. The article seems adequately sourced. Chetsford (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support because it easily meets WP:ITNRD. Also topic ban anyone who is trying to change ITN here, rather than at the appropriate place. Nfitz (talk) 02:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose because the article is at AfD without an overwhelming consensus to keep. AusLondonder (talk) 03:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  That seems to be misleading, User:AusLondonder. The "vote" is currently 47 Keep to 14 other (a mix of delete, drafify and redirect) - with increasing coverage, now that President Trump has become involved. Nfitz (talk) 04:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see the issue. I wouldn't consider that "overwhelming". What Trump thinks is utterly irrelevant to me. AusLondonder (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  It was closed as a snow keep, User:AusLondonder. I'm afraid your oppose has been trumped! Nfitz (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ah great. Mr Trump. That should swing it. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Clearly demonstrating the great seriousness of the issues he's addressing in the final days of the campaign. I'm very keen to see some analysis as to why this case is such a cause celebre for the American right in particular. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: the AfD has been closed as snow keep. ObserveOwl (talk) 12:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Now that the AfD has closed there's no question this article is up to ITNRD standards. Support. Departure– (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support as the RD standard is clearly met. I have struck my earlier oppose vote. (I still oppose a blurb, but I think it's clear there's no consensus for that anyway.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Who thought it was a hoax? Asking for a friend. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Prior to Trump's actual statement on the subject, there was a report of another statement falsely attributed to him. This found its way into the article (twice) and at the time of my earlier comment was a substantial part of the article text. That was the hoax I was referring to. The article has now greatly improved. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. First it's the squirrels... next it'll be the cows. Just wait and see! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Where do I get the milk for my coffee, if all cows are euthanized? Grimes2 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

"South of the Border", naturally. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support and marking as Ready for RD Article quality being the only criteria, it is ready to go. I note that pretty much all of the opposes are either based on the now closed AfD or WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I thought about posting it myself, but as I commented at the AfD, I will let someone else do it. FTR I Oppose Blurb. Subject does not pass the Mandela Thatcher Kissinger test and the incident itself, while garnering a great deal of coverage, is of minimal long term significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Did he even pass that other test? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm quite sure the squirrel test is positive. Is this a case for national emergency? Grimes2 (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD now that the AfD has, predictably, closed as SNOW keep. The article is in good shape, and that is all that is needed to post to RD.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Pull it's now correctly orange tagged, so we should pull this. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rohit Bal

Article: Rohit Bal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tkp1987 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian fashion designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse

Article: Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Serbia, a canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people and injures three others. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - CNN - BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alalch E. (talk · give credit), Family27390 (talk · give credit) and 46.44.158.42 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A structural collapse at the Novi Sad railway station has led to 17 casualties. Article is a bit stubby. — Knightoftheswords 04:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality but Support on significance Major accident. Article needs to be expanded a bit. TNM101 (chat) 05:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Support on significance. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance. It is a tragic accident but I fail to see the wider significance. Yakikaki (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality but Support on significance per TNM101. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• @TNM101 and Flipandflopped: second look re quality?—Alalch E. 18:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks better now. There is still room for expansion but there is enough important information for ITN. Another note: some opposition parties have called for resignation of officials and Milorad Dodik (Bosnia and Herzegovina) also expressed condolences to the families and for some reason also to Vučić, so this could be added if I don't do it tomorrow. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on quality and significance.—Alalch E. 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Deadly disasters due to badly maintained public infrastructure are significant. Article is also in good shape now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Sufficient information to get an impression, what happened in this disaster. Grimes2 (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Major news story about an event with many casualties. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted I'm going to post this as soon as image protection has kicked in. Schwede66 04:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) New Mayan city discovered

Article: Valeriana (Maya city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ancient Maya city of Valeriana, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche, and is called Valeriana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, dubbed Valeriana, is discovered in Campeche.
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated by Aficionado538 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major archaeological discovery - second-largest Mayan city in the Yucatan, after Calakmul. Discovery was only announced this week. Khuft (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Surprising and impressive discovery. Article looks in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose on quality at the moment; everything's sourced but it isn't the length of an ideal ITN entry. Support on notability, as this is about as notable as archaeological discoveries get, in terms of things to be posted to ITN, as far as I'm concerned. Departure– (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Weak support on quality, support on notability. Article is a much better length and well sourced, and the discovery itself is notable. Altblurb 2 proposed - Yucatan, Maya and Campeche all imply Mexico, so the country probably doesn't need to be specified, and also the name Valeriana is an invented term not used by the Mayans themselves. Departure– (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment only to note this is backed by a peer-review journal article, which is typically a requirement for posting anything from the sciences. --Masem (t) 18:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, this is one of these cool science stories that should be featured. Perhaps modify the blurb to reflect the fact that Valeriana is a contemporary name and not the original name of the city (since some more known places actually have original names known). --Tone 19:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Quite agree. Have suggested an alt blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support nice break from politics in ITN. Scuba 20:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality I'm not against posting this on its merits, but that's not really a quality article. For one, the peer-reviewed work is published as CC-BY-4.0, meaning we could be adding figures from the paper and more. Further, the news stories on this go into more detail about how this was more "by accident" and by a doctorial student rather than a seasoned professor. The article doesn't get into those parts of the coverage. --Masem (t) 20:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, Oppose on quality. Definitely an ITN-worthy event, considering the significance of this discovery and news coverage. However, the article is quite short and needs to be expanded. ArkHyena (it/its) 22:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. IDB.S (talk) 23:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support Article needs to be longer, but I wouldn't be upset if this discovery gets posted. These ruins are a great find! Hungry403 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support — a great discovery that highlights the role of modern technology in science. Trepang2 (talk) 04:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support This can help further understand Mayan culture and society. Rager7 (talk) 04:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality The article needs improvement before it can be posted to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've put in some work to try to improve the quality of the article to at least cover the main points. It is quite fresh news and no actual field work has been done there yet, so one may struggle to expand it very much further at this point without going into very detailed points taken from the original research report. Yakikaki (talk) 13:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Well done Yakikaki, much appreciated. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Many thanks!! Khuft (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the article is both improved and important in several fields of endeavor. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Note for the reviewing admin: The city was not known as Valeriana while it was inhabited: from the article Valeriana (Maya city): Valeriana is the name given to the ruins of an ancient Maya city in the Mexican state of Campeche... / ...the site was named after an adjacent freshwater lagoon of the same name. Cheers! Departure– (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Its the current working name until the site can be more thoroughly investigated. Until the more proper name is learned and published, it is completley appropriate to use Valeriana as the name. — Masem (t) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I just feel it's an important distinction to make. The site is Valeriana, and it contains a large city of an unknown name, that has informally become known as Valeriana. I'd just prefer if the blurb didn't imply that it was always called that (specifically the original blurb). Departure– (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Departure and Tone. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2 Per Departure-. Perhaps another alternative wording could be needed, but this is definitely a notable event. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Article has been expanded and there is an overwhelming support. Posting Alt2- --Tone 18:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Botswanan general election

Article: 2024 Botswana general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Umbrella for Democratic Change, led by Duma Boko, wins the most seats in the National Assembly in the 2024 Botswana general election, defeating the Botswana Democratic Party for the first time in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Botswana general election, the UDC, led by Duma Boko, wins the a majority in the National Assembly, the first change in government in Botswana's history.
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Aficionado538 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: First change in government in the 58 years of Africa's most successful liberal democracy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Clearly a very significant election for Botswana. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article might still need a few minor adjustments, but I agree this is a huge turning point in the history of the country. Oltrepier (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support good length and nicely referenced, the only possible grumble is would be nice to see longer and more detailed aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support besides ITN/R, this is big news for Botswana. Scuba 13:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready. The results table is blank, the only prose describing the outcome is in the lead (and overly sensational, violating NPOV), there's only a single sentence on the aftermath etc. The material that's already in the article body seems well done, but it needs extending to the results and outcome. Modest Genius ^talk 14:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support when results table is filled out, the rest of the article seems reasonably referenced. CMD (talk) 14:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is well sourced, support is after the result table is filled completely. TNM101 (chat) 15:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait The table isn't completely filled and the campaign/aftermath sections are stubby. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per above, clearly significant. Both ALT0 and ALT1 are fine. The table is filled in now, which addresses the primary concerns of others. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support change in head of state and national election. Doubly ITN/R. Suggest picture of Boko if a good one can be found. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per previous.

-insert valid name here- (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Besides the historic significance of the result the article is well sourced.

Aficionado538 (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 19:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Why is Duma Boko the bolded article rather than the general election article? Is the notion that the government change is the first in the country's history not necessary to be mentioned in the blurb? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

This has been fixed / updated by Stephen. Natg 19 (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bibek Debroy

Article: Bibek Debroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chairman Of India PM's Economic Advisory Council. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Large swathes unreferenced and also reads like a puff piece. Tagged the article, this needs a lot of work. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Many unreferenced sentences(although one has eight completely unrelated refs). Article also seems to be unbalanced in terms of viewpoints. Needs to be more concise. TNM101 (chat) 15:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

October 31

Portal:Current events/2024 October 31

October 31, 2024 (2024-10-31) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy strongly condemns the United States and European nations for making "zero response" to the Russian deployment of North Korean soldiers against Ukraine. (Reuters) Kharkiv strikes A Russian glide bomb strikes a residential building in Kharkiv, killing three people and injuring 35 others, according to Ukrainian Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko. (AP) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes At least six medics are killed and four others are wounded in Israeli attacks on areas in Duris and around the ancient city of Baalbek in the Beqaa Valley, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) A Hezbollah missile barrage kills at least seven people and critically injures another near Metula in northern Israel. Four of the victims are foreign agricultural workers and two are Israeli Arabs. (The Times of Israel) (BBC) Business and economy The European Commission opens an investigation into Chinese e-commerce company Temu for its sale of illegal and counterfeit products and its addictive design, which violate the EU's Digital Services Act. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods October 2024 Spain floods The death toll from the floods in Spain, primarily in the Valencian Community, increases to 161, with dozens of others still missing. (Infobae) (BBC News) Health and environment Climate change in Europe The European Environment Agency reports an 8% decrease in European Union-wide greenhouse gas emissions linked to global warming in 2023, 37% below emissions levels in 1990. (DW) International relations Germany–Iran relations, Capital punishment in Iran Germany orders all three Iranian consulates in the country to close in response to the execution of Iranian-German prisoner Jamshid Sharmahd, who was kidnapped by Iranian agents in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, in 2020. (The Independent) Law and crime Assassination of Marielle Franco A court in Brazil sentences two former Military Police officers to 59 and 78 years in prison respectively for the assassination of Rio de Janeiro city councilor and human rights activist Marielle Franco in 2018. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Fijian presidential election The Parliament of Fiji elects incumbent Speaker Naiqama Lalabalavu as the President following the withdrawal of incumbent President Wiliame Katonivere. (RNZ) Science and technology North Korean missile tests North Korea launches an intercontinental ballistic missile on a "lofted trajectory" toward the Sea of Japan. Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani says that this was the longest-ever launch of a North Korean ICBM, lasting 87 minutes, marking significant progress in range compared to previous tests. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Greg Hildebrandt

Article: Brothers Hildebrandt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: With his brother, an major illustrator that did a bunch of famous movie posters (like the original Star Wars one). Note that he and his brother share a page for their bios which makes sense, they had near equivalent careers. Masem (t) 21:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Trevor Whymark

Article: Trevor Whymark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C23:A486:F543:2076 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Ipswich Town striker. 240F:7A:6253:1:C23:A486:F543:2076 (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Ipswich career and honours need more citations, the article requires a proof read and partial re-write as very disjointed in places. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: David Davin-Power

Article: David Davin-Power (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A little short but well referenced. Needs information about death. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft support very short, but it is properly cited. Scuba 15:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose no information about his life earlier than the 1990s Rynoip (talk) 01:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Irish broadcast journalist, 72, death update complete. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• We don't post stubs. Schwede66 19:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Masud Ali Khan

Article: Masud Ali Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Star
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Works unreferenced and two citation tags need adressing, otherwise looks fine. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I'd argue this is a stub, and what little info we do have is uncited. Scuba 15:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• I've added a stub tag to the article. Schwede66 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

October 30

Portal:Current events/2024 October 30

October 30, 2024 (2024-10-30) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes Israeli airstrikes on two villages in Baalbek, Lebanon, kill at least nineteen people. (Reuters) The Israeli army says that it killed the deputy head of Hezbollah's Redwan Force Mustafa Ahmad Shahadi in a strike in Nabatieh, Lebanon. (Al Arabiya) Moro conflict Nineteen people are killed and five are injured after a shootout triggered by a land dispute between two rival factions of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in Pagalungan, Maguindanao del Sur, Philippines. (PNA) (Xinhua) War against the Islamic State The United States military announces that American airstrikes in Syria earlier this week killed as many as 35 Islamic State members. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods October 2024 Spain floods At least 140 people are killed and many others are missing after severe floods in the Valencian Community, Spain, that damaged rail lines and highways. (BBC) (AP) At least twelve workers are killed and another is injured in an explosion at a steel plant in Xaloztoc, Tlaxcala, Mexico. (Reuters) (Milenio) Law and crime 2024 Mozambican general election It is reported that at least ten people were killed and 63 others were injured by gunfire in post-election protests in Mozambique last week. (Reuters) English Channel migrant crossings One person is killed while attempting to cross the English Channel in a dinghy. Three other bodies are found on beaches near Neufchâtel-Hardelot and Équihen-Plage, France. (Reuters) Eight people are killed and eight others are injured in a stabbing spree in Kagadi, Uganda, by members of an unknown cult. Two attackers are killed by police. (Reuters) The United Nations Security Council votes 15–0 to make changes to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Somalia, forming a new mission called the United Nations Transitional Mission in Somalia, which is expected to begin operating on November 1. (Mirage News) Politics and elections 2024 Botswana general election Citizens of Botswana vote for the 61 seats of the National Assembly. (AP) Sports 2024 Major League Baseball season 2024 World Series In baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers win the World Series, defeating the New York Yankees in 5 games including a comeback victory in Game 5 at Yankee Stadium. (Los Angeles Times)

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(Posted) RD: Matt Peacock

Article: Matt Peacock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support could do with a personal life section though. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, but at the moment there's no reliable sources talking about his personal life :(. Maybe as more obits come in, we'll get something. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 World Series

Article: 2024 World Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers defeat the New York Yankees to win the World Series (MVP Freddie Freeman pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Allen2 (talk · give credit), Donnowin1 (talk · give credit) and Iafca09 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Game 5 summary still needs a citation, but I’m sure it’ll be updated shortly. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Most game highlights are well cited. Good to go. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good; Freeman's pic has been added to the image protection page. Spencer^T•C 05:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tahar Zbiri

Article: Tahar Zbiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Algerie
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Nothing of note to announce for the article, looks good enough for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Well referenced article. TNM101 (chat) 16:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Gang war in Haiti

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Article: Gang war in Haiti (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: "This is effectively a civil war". Article needs updating with the 2024 Pont-Sondé attack and the recent attacks in Port-au-Prince. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

While yes, this is ongoing, the problem is that the article is seeing very little updates and, as the nominator points out, the recent major developments are not covered yet. Articles in ongoing need to be constantly updated. Tone 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm not seeing enough edits to justify it being "updated", considering that there are only about 8 or so edits in the past 14 days (as of writing this !vote). Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with REALscientist. 64.114 etc 03:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not sufficiently receiving regular updates to merit an Ongoing posting. Spencer^T•C 04:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose based on lack of media coverage. –DMartin 07:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - it’s unfortunate, given this is easily notable enough, but the article just isn’t getting the updates necessary for ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Indian bomb hoaxes

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Article: 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 100 flights across Indian airlines received bomb threats on Tuesday, adding to over 510 hoax threats in 16 days, mostly via social media (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes, 510+ hoax threats in 16 days
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 500 hoax bomb threats target Indian airlines.
News source(s): CNN The Guardian BBC NBC NewsAl Jazeera Times of india
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment This may be better for ongoing. I'll make an altblurb here, though. Departure– (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment Yeah, seeing as this is since April, I strongly suggest this goes into ongoing instead of getting a blurb. Altblurb 2 proposed. Departure– (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Again, ongoing is for stories where there is near daily news updates, not simply because an event has has a long tail. The dates on the target page suggest there were only a few bursts of activity related to these threats and thus fails the idea of near daily coverage. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment This is definitely worth getting a blurb at least. Manumaker08 (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The incidents seem too disparate and include routine vandalism that we see all the time on Wikipedia. We need some long-term statistics and analysis to understand how this compares with the usual background noise. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  The included news sources make it clear that this is highly unusual and increased significantly in recent weeks, and not "usual background noise" or "disparate and include routine vandalism". Tube·of·Light 04:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose glancing over the issue, there seems to be no connection between the various bomb threats. Other than a chunk of them being students... from different schools across the country. Yes there are an abnormal amount of bomb threats, but as far as I can see it's not because there is a concerted effort by a single group. Scuba 15:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2024 Cuba blackouts and the United States embargo against Cuba

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Article: 2024 Cuba blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After 8 days nationwide blackouts across Cuba, the UN General Assembly votes 187-2-1 in favour for the 32nd time for a resolution calling the United States to lift its 64-year-long embargo against the country. (Post)
News source(s): UN News Việt Nam News Hindustan Times AP Anadolu Ajansı
Credits:

• Nominated by Viva Nicolás (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yiosie2356 (talk · give credit), Scu ba (talk · give credit), Gluonz (talk · give credit), Vida0007 (talk · give credit) and Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: The blackouts were not precedented and widely reported by the media, however the article definitely needs more expansion. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose The blackout article was already posted - albeit for less than 6 hours. Also, a non-binding UN vote isn't enough to force action, especially given it's the 32nd one of this same goal. If the embargo actually gets lifted, that's another story. Departure– (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, an UNGA vote calling almost unanimously for the blockade to be lifted every time for half the time this lengthy blockade has been in place should, I think itself, be significant. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My nomination of the General Assembly's vote to get Israel to have a ceasefire in Palestine went nowhere a month or so ago, so I wouldn't be so sure about that (as much as I'd wish this was ITN worthy). Departure– (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the context of the voting this time should make the blackouts and it newsworthy to readers of this encyclopedia from around the world, who can then draw their own judgement about the situation playing out. Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment A UN resolution is not the same as the actual lifting. If the US actually did lift it, that would be a key news point. (Also I will point out the story around the blackouts was nominated but I don't think got to the quality needed). --Masem (t) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  The blackout article was, oddly enough, posed yesterday after the nomination had rolled off the ITN main candidate page. It was up very briefly and was already stale. Departure– (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  IMO, the first blurb was not on ITN for nearly long enough for everyone worldwide to see; and furthermore, the protests were very marginal compared to previously, to say the best. Anyhow, this UN vote seems to make a much clearer point to me about the views of the wider world than a small group of loud activists based in Florida that have been washing articles this encyclopedia, mainly related to Cuba & Venezuela, to fit their own views. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Discuss content, not contributors, please. If you think there is sock or meat puppetry going on in these topic areas, please present that evidence at appropriate boards. — Masem (t) 13:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  OK, will do that after I wake up the next morning in Australia :) Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem this is not this user’s first time making accusations of bias against them on Wikipedia, and the previous instance went nowhere. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose already posted the blackout. Scuba 14:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As I’ve stated multiple times before, non-binding UNGA resolutions are effectively meaningless. We already posted the blackouts as well. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose because the blackout article has already been (briefly) posted on ITN. Vida0007 (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Blackout has already been posted, and the UN vote has not caused the embargo to be lifted. If the embargo is lifted, that would be significant enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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October 29

Portal:Current events/2024 October 29

October 29, 2024 (2024-10-29) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip 29 October 2024 Beit Lahia airstrike At least 93 Palestinians are killed and 40 others are missing in Israeli strikes on a residential building in Beit Lahia in northern Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Siege of North Gaza, Gaza Strip famine, Israeli generals' plan The World Food Programme warns of intensifying famine conditions in northern Gaza caused by ongoing Israeli aid blockades. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Russia claims that it has taken the cities of Selydove and Hirnyk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, with open-source data indicating that Russian forces are advancing at their fastest pace in at least one year amid signs of North Korean involvement in the war. (Reuters) Kyiv strikes, Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine At least six people are killed and 13 others are injured in overnight Russian attacks in Kharkiv, Kherson, and Kyiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov vows to retaliate harshly against Ukraine after a drone strike targeted a Special Forces University in Gudermes, Chechnya, Russia, representing the first known drone attack in Chechnya by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. (Reuters), (The Kyiv Independent) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Sixteen people are killed in airstrikes in southern Lebanon, including ten in the village of Sarafand. (Al Jazeera) Eight Austrian Army soldiers and peacekeepers are injured when a rocket, likely fired by Hezbollah, hits the UNIFIL headquarters in Naqoura, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) (Al Arabiya) Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab claims responsibility for the killing of six businessmen over the installation of CCTV cameras in Yaaqshiid District, Mogadishu, Somalia. (The Somali Digest) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods October 2024 Spain floods Flooding caused by torrential rainfall in parts of southern and eastern Spain causes a train to derail in Andalusia. Seven people are reported missing in the towns of Letur and L'Alcúdia. (The Guardian) A ten-story hotel collapses in Villa Gesell, Argentina, killing one person and leaving at least seven others trapped. (BBC News) Four people are injured after a derailed tram crashes into a phone and computer shop in central Oslo, Norway. (Euronews) Politics and elections German economic crisis German metalworkers union IG Metall begins a labor strike over the working conditions and wages of 3.9 million workers in the country. (DW) Naim Qassem is elected as secretary-general of Hezbollah following the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) October 2024 Spain floods

Article: October 2024 Spain floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Spain kill over 60 people. (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:

• Nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised this wasn't nominated already. Sixty dead (at least) by nature in Western Europe is a huge story, particularly in a drier country. I know nothing about natural disasters or other scientific topics so I welcome alternative blurbs Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. The disaster has left, at the time of writing, at least 72 dead, many missing, many more displaced and huge property damages. It is at a comparable scale to the very consequential 1957 Valencia flood . Milo8505 _(talk) 14:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Very significant disaster, unusually high death toll and article is fairly good. AusLondonder (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good. This weather event is approaching to become the most severe natural disaster in over a hundred years in the country, making it unquestionably ITNR-worthy. Just a nuance: although Spain is mostly a dry country, the Mediterranean climate characteristic of the regions of Catalonia, Valencia, Balearic Islands, Murcia and parts of Andalusia naturally implies episodes of this type in Autumn and Spring. So floods are not rare, but in this case it is considerably exceptional because of the very high number of victims and the magnitude of the damage. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - high death toll, no referencing issues. Mjroots (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good and well-referenced (and is still being expanded by the hour, if not by the minute). This flood is increasingly becoming a very historic event not just for Valencia but also for Spain (and to some extent, Europe). Vida0007 (talk) 15:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Effects seem to be on a par with the 1957 Valencia flood, which caused a similar amount of deaths and spurred a civil engineering project worth reading about. Daß Wölf 16:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Needs work The article doesn't currently explain the cause clearly. It talks about a cold drop for previous similar storms but calls this one a gota fría without explaining that they are the same thing. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  Cold drop means literally gota fría in Spanish. Given it's about an event in Spain this kind of confusion is possible. Will take a look at it. Milo8505 _(talk) 17:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  Fixed! Milo8505 _(talk) 17:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Ongoing story but ready to post. AdrianHObradors (talk) 17:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support. I've not been able to contribute much to Wikipedia today because of dealing with this, but at least I can support posting to ITN. This is fucking devastating. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 18:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Just so you know, the death toll has been raised to at least 95, and it will probably continue to rise. --Grnrchst (talk) 19:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Sandstein Today the death toll has been raised to at least 155 people. MarcosEire (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Sandstein This morning the death toll is reported as over 200. Beyond words. [4] Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Would editors please note that updates to death toll should be posted at WP:ERRORS? Thank you. Schwede66 19:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Teri Garr

Article: Teri Garr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Masem (t) 17:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Very well known actress. Article looks great! INeedSupport 🎃 18:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 20:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Article is sufficiently sourced and of adequate quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Six cn tags, but overall the article ain't too bad. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The article is generally well cited, some WP:DRIVEBY tagging isn't good justification to not post it. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's currently borderline per WP:ITNQUALITY:

  Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article ... Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources.

  —Bagumba (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, 69 references carry the page along. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Now only 1 CN tag. Spencer^T•C 06:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Akua Donkor

Article: Akua Donkor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Citinewsroom
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ghanaian politician who was contesting the 2024 general elections. Heatrave (talk) 12:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Some minor grammar issues. Bremps... 18:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose okay for length and citation, but needs change in tone to a more encyclopedic one, very strange sentence formulation in places. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

2021–present Bulgarian political crisis

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Article: 2021–present Bulgarian political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Free Europe, TVP World
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Given we are unlikely to post October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election as it hasn't broken the deadlock, and that we had an almost unprecedented 7 elections in 3 years all resulting in not much progress, perhaps it is worth adding this to ongoing. There is no rule saying that it has to be a military conflict or sporting event to be ongoing, a political crisis can be a good candidate for addition. Most recent election needs adding to the article. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing is meant for long-term events that are getting near-daily coverage in the media, not simply because its a long, drawn out event. The edit history of the target article shows it only really is active a couple times a year around elections and fails the ongoing requirement for ITN. --Masem (t) 11:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not a widely reported crisis and the coverage of this is only increasing at the time of the election. TNM101 (chat) 14:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Insufficient recent activity or significant events to merit posting to Ongoing at this time. Spencer^T•C 16:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I think we should wait first and vote on the October election first before we consider going to Ongoing, my take personally though Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I concur. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Nominator comment if we are going to invoke WP:IAR not posting these elections every 3-6 months or so, then we can use this as a suitable replacement, nowhere does it say we cannot. Whereas we usually expect articles to have ongoing coverage, this firstly isn't impossible to rectify, but also it is only natural that this will get more attention around election time, I think this should be factored in when considering. The article can easily be filled with coalition talks/breakdowns in between elections accordingly and this gets lots and lots of coverage in Bulgaria, despite the election fatigue. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. A crisis that only merits blurb levels once an election happens twice or so a year is insufficient for ongoing. General elections are ITNR and those should be posted. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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