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Shalom
Welcome back, and happy 2012! — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 07:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Bonne Année
Je te souhaite une bonne et heureuse année 2012. Bien à toi Mike Coppolano (talk) 07:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Je viens de prendre connaissance de ton mail et de ton message. Courage Geneviève ! Mike Coppolano (talk) 11:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Welcome back
Glad to see you are back! You were missed. Best wishes for 2012 Maple Leaf (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Welcome back! Glad to see you on Wikipedia again! Kaldari (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Happy new year
Bon matin Geneviève. J'ai pris la liberté de corriger une erreur sur ta page : coeur brisée -> coeur brisé. Joyeuse nouvelle année! God bless, :-) CharlieEchoTango (contact) 11:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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Graphs
Bonjour. I find that the graphs are wonderful! They would be very good to use. Maple Leaf (talk) 00:24, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Review
Bonjour Genevieve. I can work on the graphs and put them in English. It will take a few days. Regarding the NCAA page, if you can please provide me with the link, I will review it on Wednesday. Cheers Maple Leaf (talk) 00:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link. I have reviewed it and you have done a superlative job. I added the 2011 winner of the Laura Hurd Award. Very nice work. Maple Leaf (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
CIS review
Allo Genevieve. Thank you for informing me about the Canadian Interuniversity Sport women's ice hockey championship article. I have reviewed it and made the necessary corrections. Another excellent job on your part. I am always glad to help. Cordially, Mark S Maple Leaf (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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- It is ow now. Thanks, merci, תודה .--Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Women's sport in Australia
Hi. I'm at a loss for how to deal with recent issues related to women's sport. : / I opposed speedy deletion of women's sport in Australia made by Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish, tried to improve the sourcing as quickly as possible with was probably a bit of a liberal interpretation of the sources. :( Everything got tagged. There were WP:BOLD merges and what appeared to me to be threats to take the articles to WP:AFD. He said he would leave things alone on my talk page. (See the archive.) Now he's on Wikiproject: Women's sport. :( Sorry about that. I'm not certain how to deal with this. :( --LauraHale (talk) 20:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sabbath Shalom Laura , It is the beginning of the Sabbath to me. I leave to go to pray in the synagogue in a few minutes. I am not of a big help for your demand. I understands your anxieties but I am neither patroller nor administrator, not director, here on wikipedia. I am only writing articles. I believe that we cannot prevent whoever (even a misogynous man) from being member of WikiProject Women's sport. On Wikipedia all the members are free to be a member in various wikiprojets . I cannot prevent persons as User:LtPowers or User:Oknazevad from joining the WikiProject Women's sport or joining the WikiProject Feminism. On wikipedia , Try to assume good faith... Do you remenber Racepacket?
- The probleme on Wikipedia Thus to survive, it is necessary to show solidarity between women. It is whom we are now that 9 % of women (in Febuary 2011 we were 13 %). They have the law of the number and they can infiltrated by the inside the WikiProject Women's sport or the WikiProject Feminism. Otherwise in 2015, there will be only 2 % women who will still be members of Wikipedia. It is sad but that is now the reality of wikipedia (in english, in hebrew or in French). Everybody try to assume good faith but Between feminists we have to stand by each of us. Entre féministes nous devons être solidaires de chacune de nous.בין פמיניסטים שאנחנו צריכים לעמוד על ידי כל אחד מאיתנו. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Of course I'm in the project. I'm one of the most active WP:SPORT participants, and feel strongly that the problem of WP:Systemic bias has had a strong effect on the coverage of women's sport here (and of course in the "real world"). Having different chromosomes from you doesn't mean I'm blind or don't care. One can agree on the bias point without having to agree with LauraHale's idea – not mirrored by anyone else on the entire system – of creating articles of the form "Women's [sport name] in [place]" for every conceivable competitive activity, and filling them with trivia. That's not a useful approach. Some triple intersections like that do result in useful articles, when there's something culturally notable about it, like Women's association football in Australia, with widespread, nationally organized competition feeding into international competition, high-profile coverage on TV, etc., etc., and unlike Women's fishing in Australia, which is about as meaningful as "Women's riding the bus in Australia" or "Women's eating sandwiches in Australia". The general notability guideline is not satisfied by citation to trivia. And WP:AFD is a discussion. Mentioning that something should be discussed there is not a "threat", it's simply an observation and opinion, one that others are making about some of these articles. Approaching Wikipedia editing from a "we have to stick together and fight" perspective is one of the exact reasons why the policies WP:NOT#BATTLEGROUND, WP:NOT#SOAPBOX and WP:NPOV were written. And, finally, just because someone disagrees with a female WP:WikiProject Women's sport editor on things like this doesn't make them a sexist or the other's position on the matter a feminist one; whether articles on trivial triple intersections make sense, and what constitutes reliable sources for relevant facts, are not gender political matters, but neutral issues that have no tie to any particular topic. The latent insinuation that I'm patriarchal just because I dare to disagree with a woman is insulting (actually, to everyone involved, since it necessarily implies that women's opinions aren't interesting unless they are about gender issues). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
My letter to SMcCandlish
Bonjour Laura, j'ai écrit ce matin une lettre . Tu peux la consulter ici [1]. Hello Laura I wrote this morning a letter. You can consult here [2]. שלום כתבתי הבוקר מכתב. אתה יכול להתייעץ איתה כאן--Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 12:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- I hope I have addressed your concerns. If not feel free to clarify or ask for clarification. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
The letter and the discussion on User talk:SMcCandlish [3]
- Good Morning SMcCandlish, I received Laura's note on my talk page yesterday evening (you can read Women's sport in Australia [4]. I want to have your collaboration and the constructive criticisms. Also I read your last notes on Women sport's articles [5], [6], [7] and I find that your critics don't help to improve pages wikipedia on the women's sports. This is my first impression maybe I make a big mistake. I presume your good faith and your desire of good collaboration for the Women's sports in Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport. I hope that your behavior will be constructive in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport. If I can always help you in whatever it is on English wikipedia, do not hesitate to contact me. My friendly hand, je vous tend une main amicale, עם ידידות --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am uncertain how you feel that my suggestions that our fellow editor stop falsifying information and sources, stop adding irrelevant information (e.g. sport info from a completely different country to .au articles), stop adding blatant trivia to make the stub look like it is more developed than it is, stop being obstructionist toward routine merge operations, stop intentionally using the most redundant possible citation verbiage in an effort to make the stubs look like they are better sourced than they are, stop adding national team sport templates to sports with no national team just to make the stubs seem more notable than they really are, etc., etc., etc., is somehow not helping to improve Wikipedia encyclopedic coverage on women's sport. Perhaps you can explain? What justification do you see for even one of these consistent patterns of disruptive editing behavior? Please keep in mind that simply for falsification of facts and sources, many content patrolling editors like me would have already reported LauraHale to ANI for blocking.
- I'm sure that Hale feels a bit put-upon at this point; almost anyone would if the less-than-useful nature of some of their more disruptive and tendentious editing is criticized, especially when they dig in their heels and refuse to consider changing what they are doing. It is not my or any other editor's "job" here to ignore Hale doing unhelpful things in the encyclopedia simply because it is politically incorrect to criticize edits by a female editor on a female-centered topic. It is to make a better encyclopedia. Hale should rethink her campaign to create utterly trivial non-articles like Women's fishing in Australia, which is about as pointless as "Hispanic snowboarding in Oregon" or "Homosexual karaoke in Sweden" and other triple intersections of random categories that do not report on a notable phenomenon (contrast Women's association football in Australia, which does make sense), and instead direct her efforts toward real articles that we actually need, like "Discrimination against women's sport" and "Women's sport in Australia", the latter of which I tried to create from her stubs, but which simply triggered more objections from her. And, above all else, stop the falsification. There's no excuse for it. Please note that other editors besides me have also been suggesting that some of these would-be articles like Women's archery in Australia should be deleted. It's nothing personal. They're just not encyclopedic. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- In reality, I don't know Australia (je ne sais même pas le nom du premier ministre ou du président de l'Australie), nor even sports which are practised there. Thus I am going to avoid revising the contents of Laura's articles. But I spoke about human attitudes. Your comments on the work of Laura are hard ... very hard emotionally. Be possible for you to be pleasant and kind with Laura. We can criticize the work of a person without hurting her as human being. I know that you are capable of a good collaboration. You are a good person, why not to hold out the hand to Laura. Help him in his work. Unless you wanted to work on the Women's sports in Canada ( my country) and in United States with me. If that was the case come help me here Major women's sport leagues in North America. Merci beaucoup de votre aide gentille. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 20:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Fair enough, though this for me has nothing to do with what sports are popular in Australia; the debate could have been about handicapped/disabled restauranteuring in Botswana. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 20:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- in Botswana ??? no in Women's sport in Australia [8], [9] and [10]. I admit to have a difficulty with your humor. You avoid questioning on your attitude. With such a humor, you go you take away from me. Too bad. I shall have opened at least my heart towards you. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 21:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not being humorous, I'm making a real point. A triple intersection of topics, be it "women's archery in Australia" or "disabled restauranteuring in Botswana" or "gay karaoke in Sweden" or "Hispanic snowboarding in Oregon", is almost never notable unless a) it describes a phenomenon of demographics, activity and location (1, 2, 3: women, archery, Australia; handicapped people, restaurant industry, Botswana; gay people, karaoke singing, Sweden; Hispanics, snowboarding, Oregon) that garners [[WP:GNG|frequent, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources, or b) is a subset of a broader intersection of only two topics (women's archery, or women's sport in Australia, or archery in Australia, for example), that has an article so large it has to be split into narrower subtopics. If neither of these conditions apply (which is the problem with many of Hale's stubs), the inappropriate article is merged, or it just gets deleted. They get merged and deleted all the time; it's routine, and no one needs to make a big deal out of it. We don't even create categories like this (see WP:OVERCAT and WP:CATGRS). I did get your point about attitude, and I have offered a more friendly and good-faith-assuming message to LauraHale. But you don't seem willing to examine her editing behavior critically, only mine. That's an impasse, and I don't think you're in a good neutral position to moderate a dispute like this (to the extent it exists; I consider it ended). Your apparent perception that I have something personal against Hale or am making an anti-feminist argument is incorrect. I'm making an anti-trivia argument that has nothing to do with gender or personality. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 19:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Bonsoir SMcCandlish, My attitude is human and I consider imperfect. I have my prejudices of course for every human being. But I don't doubt your good faith and your desire to improve Wikipedia. You tell me to have made the efforts to be more friendly with Laura. Then I congratulate you with this laurel. You say that I am not neutral. Well I did not still have the opportunity to work with Laura. My critics will come because no human being is completed. I also criticize there deprived (by Émail) because sometimes persons ( male or female) are fragile in criticize and can feel wounded, then better needs to make my comments deprived. I hope not to have you to hurt. You can write me in private my address is misssouris@live.ca My wish is to improve the women's sports pages in the Encyclopedia. 200px|right I work on it with passion but also with my poor means. I write new articles and I also correct old articles (by update). Furthermore I like photographing and giving my photos [11]. I am neither patroller nor an administrator, nor director, not manager here on wikipedia. I am only writing articles. I would like the good agreement in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport . I believe that the men as the women without discrimination, can bring in Ice Hockey articles a lot. I count on your help and your assistant to use in my work. Formerly I played hockey with the young boys (In Quebec after 14 years old, a girl has to play necessarily only with the girls - regulation of Hockey Canada and local competition), I kept her male great friends even when I played at the women junior's League. Now I always have male friends who support Montreal Stars, I work every week with her men. Yes I am feminist but I lived with men, work with them. I shall like having the even good relation equal to equal with you. Thanks --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. I think we'll all get along better now. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 22:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Bonjour Genevieve! I just wanted to drop off this barnstar to say that I admire your enthusiasm to not only work together with other editors to improve content on Wikipedia, but to also inspire others to work together to meet the mission of Wikipedia. Your understanding, kindness, and dedication has not gone unnoticed. SarahStierch (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC) |
Gender Gap mailing list
Genevieve, I am not sure if you are on the mailing list devoted to exploring the gender gap in Wikipedia and related projects? If not, I invite you to participate. It fluctuates in how busy it is, but, I encourage you to join if it interests you! You can join the list here!. Au revoir :) SarahStierch (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Major leagues
The Major Leagues template is a frustrating situation. I've tried to persuade them to adopt some meaningful criteria, but they seem to be determined to use the completely arbitrary 15,000 figure. I'm afraid they will edit war against any changes that don't meet their threshold. Perhaps we could suggest adding a new category to the template for Women's leagues that has a threshold of 3,000. That would protect them from being deleted from the template. What is your opinion? Kaldari (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is a very sad situation. We have in front of us the characteristic attitude of the majority of the male supporters in North America. They have the law of the number against us. Wikipedia is only the reflection of the society. We have two choices: Persist and in proposing a compromise. The inclusion of the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) as only acceptable Women's sport league in the big males North American leagues then in that case of compromise these sirs will have to accept less high criteria ( 15,000 figure and others $$$$$$$$$$$ «Business model»). Other solution is to part (as in a couple) then I shall ask to remove any mention of the WNBA and in the WPS in the text Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada. We shall be then two worlds which don't speak to each other ( Je pense aux tristes exemple du Mur de Berlin ou bien la barrière de sécurité en Israël/Palestine) , and don't want to know nothing about the other one. It is sad but many sportswomen in Canada are returned to this stage to the Ice Hockey (they want no more contact with the NHL). --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- On second thought, I give up. I leave them their template Template:Major Leagues. I am going to avoid wasting my energies with these persons. I am rather going to dedicate myself to this Template:Major women's sport leagues in North America and to this colletive page Major women's sport leagues in North America . Thank you for your support. merci de tout ton support. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is a very sad situation. We have in front of us the characteristic attitude of the majority of the male supporters in North America. They have the law of the number against us. Wikipedia is only the reflection of the society. We have two choices: Persist and in proposing a compromise. The inclusion of the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) as only acceptable Women's sport league in the big males North American leagues then in that case of compromise these sirs will have to accept less high criteria ( 15,000 figure and others $$$$$$$$$$$ «Business model»). Other solution is to part (as in a couple) then I shall ask to remove any mention of the WNBA and in the WPS in the text Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada. We shall be then two worlds which don't speak to each other ( Je pense aux tristes exemple du Mur de Berlin ou bien la barrière de sécurité en Israël/Palestine) , and don't want to know nothing about the other one. It is sad but many sportswomen in Canada are returned to this stage to the Ice Hockey (they want no more contact with the NHL). --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Invite
Hi, thanks for the invitation (and the kitten)! I will try to take a look soon, although I confess I am not too familiar with the setup in North America. Nice to see you back and I'm excited about being part of the women's sport project. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry Clavdia, I believed that you were American. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Thank ,merci, תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 11:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
McGill Martlets
Good morning. I am going to review the Martlets page. I apologize that I was unable to participate in your debate. Do you still need help with the graphs? I was busy with work and got a little distracted. Please advise. Maple Leaf (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yes I had understood that you were hardly occupied. I managed alone for templates. The job is now finish. Today ( or this week-end) if you can throw) your glance on two texts: McGill Martlets ice hockey and Major women's sport leagues in North America . Thanks for yours helps and assistance, Merci de votre aide, תודה על העזרה שלך --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Nice work
Bonjour Genevieve. J’ai fait les corrections du grammaire sur McGill Martlets ice hockey. Je vas verifier Major women's sport leagues in North America plus tard. Le template pour CWHL est parfait et c’est pret a utiliser. Vous avez faite le travail excellent sur le template CIS women’s hockey. Je dois aviser que le template serait parfait a utiliser quand on a créer les pages pour tous les equipes feminins dans CIS. J’en a faites plusieurs pages pour les equipes comme les Carabins, Carleton, Western Mustangs sur le site web ice hockey wikia (http://icehockey.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Canadian_Interuniversity_Sport_women%27s_ice_hockey) parce que travailler sur leur site (et leur regles) sont moins compliques. Maple Leaf (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you!
I just wanted to thank you for the award you left on my talkpage. I hope you enjoy the cookie! ReelAngelGirl If I do somthing wrong please let me know 17:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC) |
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