Talk:2025 Seattle Sounders FC season

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• ... that the 2025 Seattle Sounders FC season will include a minimum of 42 games, including two international competitions? Source: The Seattle Times
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Moved to mainspace by SounderBruce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 245 past nominations.

SounderBruce 05:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC).

• I don't see how this hook is interesting to a non-specialist audience? It probably appeals to Sounders fans, but I'm not sure if even MLS fans will like it, let alone non-soccer fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I think that fans of soccer, the world's largest sport, are not an insignificant audience. The number of planned games is unusually high for a team outside of Europe and Brazil. SounderBruce 02:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You have a point, but most casual fans will not get the significance of this or the intricacies of schedules. It's reliant on rather specialist information (specialists in this case being dedicated soccer fans), and not all soccer fans are like that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the 2025 Seattle Sounders FC season will include matches against teams from Guatemala, Brazil, Spain, and France? Source: The Seattle Times
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Wonder if this would be better for a broad audience? SounderBruce 21:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure but I'm leaning towards it being marginal at best. It probably has wider interest than the original hook, but I imagine that it won't do all that well if this is the wording that gets featured on the main page. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

What about ALT2: ... that after winning the 2022 CONCACAF Champions League, the Seattle Sounders qualified to play in the 2025 FIFA Club World Cup in their upcoming season? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I think this would work better: ... that the upcoming season for Seattle Sounders FC includes a tournament that they qualified for in 2022? SounderBruce 05:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

That sounds a lot better, although I might suggest removing the link to the FIFA Club World Cup given that too many links may divert readers away from the bolded link. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Why not bold link the whole thing, which would remove a pointless link (to the soccer team itself) while still retaining the link to the tournament, which would help readers understand the hook better:

ALT3: ... that the upcoming season for Seattle Sounders FC includes a tournament that they qualified for in 2022? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

That works for me. @Narutolovehinata5: Will you finish the review? SounderBruce 02:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I couldn't find any close paraphrasing. The QPQ was done and is a complete review. Only ALT3 is approved as being likely to be interesting to non-specialist readers. The only concern is relatively minor: the sentences that support the hook don't have the referencing footnote; instead, they're located in the subsequent sentences. That will need to be addressed for DYK verification purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Reverted edits discussion for Background Section

Hi @SounderBruce, I'd like to discuss the reverting of my edits on 04:28, 6 January 2025. To start, I don't disagree with your edit note that the background section should be a short summary of the 2024 season as the 2025 season is the focus and subject of this article. However, I disagree that my edit went beyond what would be proper for a background section. My edits did not significantly expand the background section as it remains one paragraph. Instead, I provided some more details for the readers' convenience.

First, I expanded on the original statement that "They spent the first half of the regular season with a losing record until an adjustment to the formation that gave the team the best record in MLS heading into the playoffs" by providing what the actual losing record was and including a citation to the supporting sources as the original statement was somewhat vague and missing a cite.

Second, I provided an additional sentence of detail for the Sounders' performance in the MLS playoffs as opposed to just stating they finished the season as a runner-up in the Western Conference Final. I believe this is an appropriate addition for two reasons. First, the background section in the 2024 season article included similar details, stating who the Sounders lost to in the 2023 Western Conference Semifinal and what their record was before then. Second, I believe the Sounders beating LAFC in what was essentially a rematch of the 2023 Western Conference Semifinal is noteworthy to mention in any background summary of the 2024 season as it shows how the Sounders advanced farther in the 2024 playoffs than they did in the 2023 playoffs. Note, I did not include any discussion of other prior playoff matches and just focused on mentioning those two games as major moments in the 2024 playoffs. Nor did I include any details from these games including what the score was and who the scorers were,

Third, I provided an additional comment on how the Sounders' performance improved after the midseason by noting their final Western Conference standings and that they secured a playoff berth with homefield advantage as a result. Again, the 2024 season article also mentioned the Sounders' regular season standings.

Fourth and last, the rest of my changes involved rearranging and rewording the other sentences in this paragraph to help them flow better with the additions I made. For example, I moved the final sentence about the Sounders' lack of signings and homegrown players to the beginning of the section along with the sentence about the Sounders' overall record to provide a general overview of the season before providing more details in the rest of the paragraph.

Tkd1996 (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tkd1996: FYI, the wall of text is a hinderance to discussion. We don't need to be overly verbose here. The removal was equal parts preventing the article from moving away from the actual focus (by overindulging in the 2024 season summary) and also preventing the use of lower-quality sources. The reverted version included a citation to the standings table that did not support the analysis, which is a form of WP:SYNTH even if some of the information was present. I will restore selected bits as needed. SounderBruce 04:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)