Talk:Beyblade (manga)

Broadcasts in U.S.

I looked in the DirecTV guide, but Beyblade appears in neither ABC Family nor Toon Disney! Should someone edit it? Slapmeorelse (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge

It has been suggested that Beyblade (manga), Beyblade (anime), Beyblade V-Force, Beyblade: The Movie - Fierce Battle, and Beyblade G-Revolution be merged back to this article. Per WP:MOS-AM, media of the same series that are not significantly different should not have separate articles, and these all appear to be on-going series of the same story, with no significant differences in characters. As such, they should be properly merged back to this article. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

All of those articles' contents can reasonably be covered in one article. Go ahead and merge 'em. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge them all KrebMarkt 08:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Before I say yes, could you show me what it would look like if ti was merged? Tempest115 (talk) 21:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It would look like any regular series article...with an actual plot section (pared down, of course), and fuller media sections, the missing infobox added, an appropriate image added, maybe get some refs in and reception. None of the sub-pages really have much more content, just a matter of condensing and combining there, then really working on filling it out with the missing real-world stuff. Trying to think of good examples for lengthy series like this...hmm...maybe Bleach (multi-season, though none named) and Naruto (has a named secondary series). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Tempest115 (talk) 00:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

In all fairness teh sperate article are very small so in that fact the do not jsutify having serparate ones, at least in some respect the dragonball one had a better arguement but int eh end it is much better but still needs expansion--Andrewcrawford (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the merge.Tintor2 (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

About the merge.

The merge of the three Beyblade seasons leaves the main page looking a bit cluttered. I propose giving them their own pages again, but this time, merging their episode lists onto those pages. Basically, recreate "Beyblade G-Revolution" but move everything from "List of Beyblade G-Revolution Episodes" into that article. It would basically be in the same situation it is in now.

Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.20.216 (talk) 14:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It wont get done, if something as big as dragonball or naruto dnt get serpate pages what chance do you think a smalller show like beyblade will? But take into accoutn it only been merged the page has stil;l to be tidied up and expanded and reference when done will look more like naruto or dragonball pages and they still have lots of work to do.--Andrewcrawford (talk) 14:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Completely and totally oppose. Not appropriate at all. The merge to the main page was appropriate. The need for some final clean up does not justify resplitting against the MoS, nor should the episode lists be merged into those pages. Nor is this article even remotely cluttered...its still very small even with the merging. The episodes lists are fine as stand alones and just need their own clean up. And please stop messing up the article lead. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Bakuten Shoot Beyblade/Metal Fight Beyblade

Since Metal Fight Beyblade is completely different than Bakuten Shoot Beyblade, I decided to create a seperate page. This was neccesary as the mangaka for both series are completely different including the characters and such. All of Bakuten Shoot Beyblade needs to stay on the normal Beyblade page, anything Metal Fight Beyblade related goes to the Metal Fight Beyblade page. DranzerX13 (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC).

Reverted. No reason at all for this at this time. Just because the writer is different is irrelevant. And please do not split pages or create them if you are not able to properly do so. Your creation had hideously broken code. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll use the sand box next time. When I copy/pasted the code I left a part out by accident. Anyways it is completely relevent that I created a seperate page for Metal Fight Beyblade. the anime/manga have a completely new story, new characters. I don't see why I can't make a seperate page. Bakuten Shoot and Metal Fight are completely different from each other and in no way related except for the beyblades themselves. in Blue Dragon there's a seperate page for Blue Dragon Ral Grad. The reason being was that it was no way related to the game's plot and characters.

Now for the characters, they don't need their own pages like you said before. Just one page that describes all the characters. same with the video games.DranzerX13 (talk) 22:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC).

Is it the same Beyblades with new owners, next generation, what? Considering its newness, are you positive at this point a connection won't be made? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I read above some and found this that you, AnmaFinotera wrote:

It has been suggested that Beyblade (manga), Beyblade (anime), Beyblade V-Force, Beyblade: The Movie - Fierce Battle, and Beyblade G-Revolution be merged back to this article. Per WP:MOS-AM, media of the same series that are not significantly different should not have separate articles, and these all appear to be on-going series of the same story, with no significant differences in characters. As such, they should be properly merged back to this article.

Both Bakuten Shoot Beyblade and Metal Fight Beyblade are not a continuation of the same story. An all new cast of characters no where near related to the old ones. A new plot, new beyblades, etc. So since this is the case it would be appropriate to make a seperate article for Metal Fight Beyblade, wouldn't it? Before I do anything more i'm going to wait for us to discuss this before I do anything further. I do not want to make an issue like last time, I want to go the right direction in handling this.DranzerX13 (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC).

Perhaps, except there is also another thing to consider: notability. With not even one volume released, Metal Fight is NOT notable enough for its own article, and it certainly should not have a chapter and episode list (chapter lists should only be a split from a main article with 8+ volumes, preferably 10; episodes with at least 10 aired). You are just really jumping the gun here with all these attempted splits. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The Metal Fight Beyblade manga has 1 volume released as of March 27, 2009. I might as well wait a few weeks then update the episode list. DranzerX13 (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC).

Okay...but that's still just one volume. It isn't notable by itself. Again, you just can't justify a chapter list nor a separate episode list. The anime episode list can go with List of Beyblade episodes as a new section, but only after it actually starts airing. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Metal Fight Beyblade anime needs its own list of episodes page. The first episode airs tonight at 4:30 PM PST (Sunday 8:30 AM Japan Time). it is not a season 4, season 1 of a new series. DranzerX13 (talk) 17:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC).

No, it doesn't, not at this time. At this time, it doesn't even need a single article on its own, much less NOT two. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

why dnt you add the episod eto List of Beyblade episodes ? eventally once they have all aired ti will get it own article--Andrewcrawford (talk) 12:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it does need to be mentioned that Metal Fight has a different creator/writer. It was created/written by Adachi Takafumi, but based on the series created/written by Takao Aoki. --Clarrisani (talk) 05:54, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Metal fusion seems to e a differnet storyline and has no conection ot the originl beyblade , this is my opinion i know it cant suport anything but will note my opnion form watchig it, it appear as if metal fusion is froma different universe and it has it own history and future, apart formt eh old characters tehre no meantion of bit beats which was in the original, no meantion of old champions it is like all the championships ar enew.

as i say this i just my opniion from watching we need soruces to jsutify but maybe someone can look into it?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 14:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Beyblade toys

I honestly think that the toys are more important then the tv show. I say that this page should be renamed Beyblade (media) and rename Beyblade (toy) to just Beyblade. The show does only excist to sell toys, does it not? 98.116.134.9 (talk) 21:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

No.

The anime is 154 episodes long across three seasons. Are you seriously trying to say that the real-life toys - which cannot physically do 90% of the things you see them doing in the anime - are more important?

I do not personally know whether the toys were made to give attention to the anime or whether they were produced concurrently, but I find it practically impossible to believe that someone would make a high profile TV series out of a spinning top.

Also, for future reference, new sections go at the bottom of the page, not at the top. That's why there's a "+" button specifically to let you start a new section. ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk) 23:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

In fact I just did what I always do, which is completely forgetting that 99% of all Japanese anime are based on manga. The manga would have undoubtedly been made before the toys. Therefore the manga is technically what should be under the main article. ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk) 23:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

You evidently do not have an understanding about how Japanese marketing for toylines works. Specifically in the case of Beyblade, the toy was in fact created before the manga, with both the manga and anime serving as promotions for the toyline. It's interesting that you say this with such certainty when fervent fans of the series are ready to correct you at any corner. If you look into the history, you will see this is correct. Even just checking Wikipedia alone, you will discover that the toyline began in 1999, and the manga began in 2000. Toy companies approach manga-ka to create promotional manga for their lines. The only series I can recall where this was not the case was Yu-Gi-Oh!, which was basically because a chapter based on a card game ended up being significantly more popular than anticipated. 207.61.11.14 (talk) 19:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Bey Brad

Alright. Sorry 'bout converseing in the wrong spot. But the "Toys" (its a hobby, deal) are a real, physical thing. They are not something to make money on the side. The anime is designed to sell the toys. Fact. Also, whole forums have risen over the whole "toys" thing, while they include an anime section. The rest is the hobby. If u just say beyblade, ur talking about the hoby. To speak about the apparently so important show, u say Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. This is not opinion. This is fact. Just check [url]www.bbuniverse.forumotion.org[/url] or [url]wolrdbeyblade.org[/url] (sorry, but i don't speak HTML). 98.116.134.9 (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Small note

While it was lesser known, there was MORE then one manga running at the time the orginal series began production. However I cannot remember the name of the other series, mostly because it was set up differently to the main one and had no big attention on it. Details of all the older Beyblade series remain sketchy, however *some* aspects of this article disappoint me, but since I have not been with the beyblade scene since 2004, I will not contribute. lets just say, I worked in cooperation with a website who had links to Japanese fandom and leave it at that.

Also, the focus of this article should be more towards the toy, not the manga, as it is currently at. This is because the toy was made first. Also, I believ the full list of games is missing at least 1 Japanese release, but once again I can no longer provide the full list of games. Someone needs to recheck the information that was once known to the Beyblade fandom in 2004, as some of it has been lost. Disappointed am I? Yes. But I accept the Beyblade fandom isn't what it is now as it was then and this information has long since escaped.

I might like to auggest, if you choose to put the focus of the toys back into account, that you note the product line series. The actual Beyblade series was released overall in series, some coaligned with the anime and manga, since they were used as the means to promote the series. However odd ones weren't. For instance, some Beyblades were only sold in "boaster" sets in Japan wherein about a dozen random beyblades were packed in together. 94.168.119.106 (talk) 22:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't Beyblade Metal Fusion be a part of this article.......

I mean Beyblade Metal Fusion is a series that was continued on after the end of the G Revolution and Tyson, Max, Ray, Kai, Kenny, Daichi, Hilary, and the other bladers.

But I still don't understand why they didn't continue the main characters. It kinda destroyed the storyline a bit. Maybe they should have an episode when tyson and the bladers show themselves as parents of bladers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragon5130 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The most likely reason is that they wanted to have a fresh start from the old so they could rebrand a series that was several years old. I also don't see how this destroys the story since it is a completely new one. Also it aired several years after G Revolutions meaning that there are likely several viewers who are not familiar with the original characters--76.66.180.54 (talk) 03:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I think it's alternate world, as the next generation of Beybladers were established as Motoko Kinomiya (Tyson's son), Gou Hiwatari (Kai's son) and Rin Kon (Ray and Mariah's daughter) in the manga by Beyblade creator Takao Aoki. Metal Fusion was done by a completely different person who no doubt had no rights to the original characters, so they've set it in another universe. --Clarrisani (talk) 10:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Beyblade: MS-Destiny

I've (on an old account by accident), removed the above section. The only source anywhere online is taken from this page, and there were no sources mentioned. It'd be nice if people could keep an eye and make sure it isn't re-added, as I'm not around much these days. Left^Noise? 14:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It clearly fake. The user in who originally added it also around the same time added Beyblade: Rise of Luzza's Pizza (Spaghetti) to the video game section. Its safe to say everything that user added was fake.--76.69.168.124 (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I also removed an unsourced rumor that Ginga may have been a decendant of Daichi from the previous series since there were no sources to support that and only evidence provided was the fact that they had similar hair colour.--76.69.168.124 (talk) 01:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi

I merged the toy article and this, plz don't get mad :( Cleter (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

No one supported the merge in this discussion. The discussion is not closed, there's no consensus and two editors opposed. Xexerss (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

"Consensus in favour of creation of a franchise article first, be it a result of a merge, a rewrite, or a new article. We can revisit this when the said article has been created." Cleter (talk) 00:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

That's not the same discussion. Xexerss (talk) 00:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is. You want to make a discussion on whether it should be merged right now? Cleter (talk) 00:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not the same. That's not how this works. The closed discussion is not about the merge. Xexerss (talk) 00:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Fine, I'll believe you, but read this: The toy article reads like an instruction manual or advertisement, with few inline citations. It is highly unlikely the toy article will carry sufficient information to stand on its own (meaning if the superfluous information is removed). It is more logical to merge the contents together, then carry out a RM to Beyblade (franchise). — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)" Cleter (talk) 00:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the article looks good either, but the specific discussion (listed at the top of this article) is not closed yet, so there's no consensus to warrant the merge. Xexerss (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey Xexerss, I hear your concerns, and I appreciate your input. I merged the articles with the intention of creating a more comprehensive franchise page, as suggested by CJDOS in a previous discussion. I understand that the specific discussion you mentioned isn't closed, but maybe we can work on improving the merged content together before revisiting the merge. What do you think? Cleter (talk) 00:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not interested right now. All I can say is that I think that both the toy and the anime/manga franchise are notable on their own (despite the awful structure and WP:FANCRUFT content present in the former). I think that the Beyblade article has room for improvement. Plus, I don't think that is a good idea to move the problematic content of a toy franchise (without sources nor verifiable content), to another article specifically centered on the manga. Xexerss (talk) 01:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)