Talk:Jimmy Carter

Death

Jimmy Carter,100, died today peacefully on Sunday, December 29th 2024. 70.35.178.112 (talk) 21:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The article has been edited to acknowledge this. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

This is where Wikipedia should not be manipulated by others. Just because someone found a source that used the word "peacefully" does not make it true. We should not put false information just because there is a reference. Think critically first. There is no evidence to whether Carter was worried or not or in a coma with no thinking. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Header

The header states, "This article is currently being heavily edited because its subject has recently died. Information about their death...." I can't figure out how to edit the header, but would someone please change "their" to "his." I believe that it is universally accepted that Carter was male and not trans. Thank you. Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Third-person singular "they" is commonly used in and outside of Wikipedia, and does not necessarily imply anything about gender identity. Donald Albury 23:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

But it is jarring when used unnecessarily. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The wording comes from a generic template that is applied to highly edited pages about a recent death. You can see the template here: {{recent death}}. "They" is used as it might be added to any page about someone who has recently died, whether they are male or female. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

"Someone" is singular, so you mean "whether he or she is male or female." Just kidding. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually it's a WP:ENGVAR situation. 'They' to describe someone with an unknown gender is correct for certain versions of English (including mine), and so "whether they are male or female". The recent argument other it's usage in the US was a bit of a surprise. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

"They" is also singular here. There's a Wikipedia page about it that you might want read to educate yourself. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The only thing jarring here is your completely unnecessary comment. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

What makes you think using a gender neutral term for a person means they are transgender?? Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Please leave your ideology out of it. It's a generic template, it's valid English, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being trans. (In fact trans people are usually quite specific about their gender.) 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

See singular they. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Ineligible in Georgia? Why?

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"Ineligible for reelection", casually said by Wikipedia.

"ineligible to run for reelection under the state constitution (later changed)" - Fink, Gary. "Jimmy Carter." New Georgia Encyclopedia, last modified Nov 3, 2020. [1]

He had served only four years. It's not easy to understand from today's perspective why he couldn't run again. Can we find a definitive source for this and add this info? 2A02:8071:184:4E80:0:0:0:EAC0 (talk) 05:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Don't have time to sort out the reference, but it is Article V of the 1945 Constitution of the State of Georgia. Reference source is available here from the University of Georgia archives (see page 15). Risker (talk) 05:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. If I'm reading this correctly, he would not have been eligible for re-election immediately, but after a further four years had elapsed, he would have become eligible again. So should this be changed to something like, Not eligible for an immediate second term, or Not eligible for a consecutive second term? 2A02:8071:184:4E80:0:0:0:EAC0 (talk) 03:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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"Peanutgate" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Occupied Palestinian territories

@Keeper of Albion, I see that you have reverted my change from "the territories" to "the occupied Palestinian territories". That's not OK, as "occupied Palestinian territories" is the name currently used by Wikipedia. Note that the text in the article is not in quotation marks, so there is no suggestion that Carter used any particular form of words. Please undo that part of your (larger) revert. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

As there has been no response to my request, I shall now restore my edit. Misha Wolf (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Oldest living American governor box??

Do we really need a Oldest living American governor succession box? GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024

i wanted to change "met with Syrian president Bashar Al Assad" to "met with then Syrian president Bashar Al Assad" as to incorporate the recent change that occurred this month Strappd (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This isn't done for any other "then [office]" in the article. I don't think there's any confusion in the current state. But if other editors disagree with me I'm happy for the change to be made. Ultraodan (talk) 10:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Euphemism

In the first sentence of the "Longevity" section, "a title he held until his passing" should be changed to "death", per MOS:EUPH. 78.33.29.98 (talk) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 15:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@78.33.29.98 152.32.215.174 (talk) 15:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

References

List of Political Appointees by Jimmy Carter

Given several articles that show that President Carter was a groundbreaker in his political appointments, this might be a useful article for someone to start, letting the public know who those appointees were. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Here is Joe Biden's page as a reference: List of political appointments by Joe Biden

More links that might be useful:

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/jimmy-carter-administration-black-women-politics/3591518/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/jimmy-carter-latino-legacy-record-hispanic-appointments-rcna345

https://afsa.org/appointments-jimmy-carter

https://www.uscourts.gov/data-news/judiciary-news/2019/08/14/40-years-later-pioneering-women-judges-savor-place-history

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/opinion/jimmy-carters-unheralded-legacy.html

https://fortune.com/2015/10/31/paul-volcker-jimmy-carter-donald-trump/

ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I would consider it possible that you just talked yourself into a job. Congratulations, you're "hired"! ;) 2A02:8071:184:4E80:0:0:0:EAC0 (talk) 19:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How are you defining groundbreaker(-ing)? And at what point is it just an indiscriminate list of made-up "firsts"? What I mean is looking at Patricia Roberts Harris (the first on your list) who was the first black woman cabinet member, which is commendable... She was predated by Robert C. Weaver a black man, 11 years prior. But even further back was Frances Perkins who was the first female cabinet member way back in 1933. So the question becomes do we just keep coming up with unique "firsts" just for the sake of the label? Is it still notabcle when we have the first biracial woman, the first black-female trans., where does it end? At what point does it really no longer become a true groundbreaking event? I'm not trying to speak poorly of Ms. Harris, nor Carter, who were both great public servants, but sometimes the word groundbreaking just becomes WP:PEACOCKery. TiggerJay (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2025

Please change "Ineligible for reelection" to "Ineligible for a consecutive second term under the 1945 Georgia Constitution" per above discussion. Thank you. 2A02:8071:184:4E80:0:0:0:EAC0 (talk) 00:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 01:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

governor of Georgia

For the third time, I have changed "governor of Georgia" in the third paragraph to lower case. I don't know whether the same editor has been capitalizing it, so I don't consider this an editing war. But let's discuss it, and, if the consensus is to capitalize it, I'll respect that.

I don't know what MOS:JOBTITLE prescribes, because I don't know how to find it. But I do not think that "governor of George" refers to a job title, as "Governor Carter" would; rather, it refers to the name of a position. Later in the same sentence is "Carter ran for president," meaning "president of the United States," and it is lower case. Also, in the second paragraph, "governor of Georgia" is lower case. I don't know why the editor or editors who have been changing "governor of Georgia" in the third paragraph to upper case have not been doing so in these other instances. But, if the consensus turns out to be to capitalize "governor of Georgia" in the third paragraph, then we will have to go through the entire article searching for other places to capitalize the name of a position. I suggest we let it be. Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

MOS:JOBTITLE, which aligns with your understanding. Donald Albury 19:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Now I have a question. What about "New York governor Kathy Hochul"? Although we'd capitalize "Governor" in "Governor Kathy Hochul" standing alone, I don't think that we should capitalize "governor" when we precede it with "New York." In such a case, I think that we're using "New York governor" as a description and saying, in effect, "Kathy Hochul is the governor of New York." Am I right? Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

One of the examples of correct usage under the above linked guideline is, Mao met with US president Richard Nixon in 1972. I think that extends to New York governor. Donald Albury 20:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks again. Maurice Magnus (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Removal of details about Carter's writing

A few days ago, I added:

He eventually became the most prolific author among U.S. presidents in the last century, having written or co-authored 32 books, with 20 of them making the The New York Times Best Seller list. After leaving office, he turned his attention to a variety of subjects that likely would have shaped his second term, such as global health initiatives and U.S. policy in the Middle East. His literary output also covered topics from woodworking and religion to a collection of his own artwork, poetry, and a novel. His writing became a primary source of income as his post-presidential humanitarian efforts gained prominence over his time in office in the public's memory. While some of his works, such as Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid and the 1982 memoir Keeping Faith, were received negatively, his 2001 memoir, An Hour Before Daylight, about his upbringing in segregated Georgia, earned critical acclaim and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.

Regarding his writing, the current version of the Other activities now states:

Carter began writing books to pay off this debt. As of July 2019, he had "published more than 30, from a children's book to reflections on his presidency". After he left the White House, "[o]n average, he completed just about one book per year over those 35 years, including many bestsellers, a novel and a children's book."

Would it be better to keep this current information or reimplement my slightly more detailed paragraph on his writing? Mooonswimmer 09:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I didn't look who reverted the edit, but what I can say is that from the very start is this very much seems like WP:PEACOCK. There would also be a question of WP:UNDUE with regard to the overall percentage of content this adds to the article, relative to the overall significance in the total arc of this man's life. Also the link to Keeping Faith appears to go to a different book than what you intended. However, I do think that there is some some room for a bit of that to be included, such as the titles of his books if they haven't already been included elsewhere. You can also either search the history of the article, or use tools like WikiBlame to find who made the changes and reach out to them directly. TiggerJay (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

References

“Donel” Carter’s name is actually Jeffery.

Please change it. It’s in the personal life section 64.18.11.12 (talk) 12:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Gold dolphin pin?

Jimmy Carter was awarded the gold dolphin pin not shown on his awards list. The gold dolphin pin is a qualification award for officers qualified to operate submarines. 2600:1015:A005:3806:E9:647A:729D:2446 (talk) 01:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

You mean the Submarine Warfare insignia? It is mentioned in the last sentence of the Naval career section. I gather that most sailors who serve in submatines for at least a year complete the requirements for that pin. The military awards listed in the infobox are medals, which the "dolphin" pin is not. Donald Albury 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)