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Among surviving relics of London's trams are:

The Kingsway Underpass
A short stretch close to Manor House station (towards Green Lanes)
A London County Council tram depot at Brixton Hill, south London
Acton Tram Depot, West London, now used by buses. (A number of other tram depots are so used, without the name being retained)

Jackiespeel 21:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merger

Trams in London and London Trams CANNOT me merged because they are on different subjects.

Trams in London is about trams that have run in London.
London Trams is about the Transport for London subsidiary in charge of running Tramlink.

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Name of the organisation

Is London Trams actually the official name? From [1] it seems like the actual company is called "Tramtrack Croydon Limited". If we don't have enough information specifically about the organisation, maybe we should just merge the article with Tramlink until it's more distinguishable from the system it operates. (Pinging JaJaWa since you moved the page.) wctaiwan (talk) 04:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tramtrack is the company which operates Tramlink, but London Trams is broader; as well as overseeing Tramlink, they also are in charge of all the other schemes, which are liable to be revived at some point, given that the only two realistic mayoral contenders are both committed to reducing traffic and that Manchester has shown that massive tram schemes in English city centres are feasible. I doubt it would make sense to merge them. ‑ Iridescent 20:14, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This still seems a bit speculative to me. Would coverage of potential future plans be served by updating Trams in London#Future? My main concerns are that there doesn't seem to be enough information to warrant an article, and that there's potential for confusion--I spent several minutes Googling before realising that "London Trams" is not a formal organisation. We can always split the information into its own article again if/when the tram operations grow beyond Tramlink. wctaiwan (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get too hung up on "not a formal organisation"; given the constant restructurings over a century of services being merged, split, privatised, nationalised, localised, put out to tender and PPP-d, there's not a great deal of formal continuity in any part of TfL and the official names of the divisions don't have much relationship to the trading names TfL use. (As an obvious example, the TfL subsidiary called "London Buses Ltd" is a specialist provider of transport for the disabled and has nothing to do with London Buses.) Even London Underground in its present form only came into existence in 2010, when Tube Lines went belly-up and was renationalised and merged with Metronet.

You probably want to post a query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Trams and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways, as that's where you're more likely to find people with an opinion. (The railways project isn't quite as relevant, but is still active; the first two are virtually moribund.) ‑ Iridescent 10:28, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point about the name--I've made an edit that hopefully avoids the implication that "London Trams" is a specific entity. I've also notified the three WikiProjects you mentioned about this thread. Thanks for your help. wctaiwan (talk) 23:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Trams in London

This article contains no additional information to Trams in London and only duplicates information from that page in less detail. That page, and both of the infoboxes on this page don't mention the existence of this page. The current system is listed at Tramlink. JaJaWa |hello 19:29, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There are four separate topics: (1) An overview of the history and future of trams in London, (2) The 1860s-1950s system, (3) London Trams (the arm of TfL) and (4) the current system (Tramlink). The articles are not organsied as best they can be, and there will naturally be some overlap between (1) and all the others and between (3) and (4), but I don't think merging is the best way to improve any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, given the uncontested opposition and no support over more than a year. Klbrain (talk) 11:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Proposed merge with Tramlink

The official name of the former Croydon Tramlink is now London Trams. Therefore I propose that article to be merged here. Miklcct (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Merge – Seems to be little reason having them separate. Clearly the Trams in London page has its own use but I agree that it should be merged with the Tramlink page. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 04:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]