Talk:Peter Ebdon

Peter Ebdon has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: December 28, 2023. (Reviewed version).

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Snooker High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Snooker, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of snooker on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SnookerWikipedia:WikiProject SnookerTemplate:WikiProject SnookerSnooker articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the importance scale.

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Northamptonshire Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Northamptonshire, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Northamptonshire-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.NorthamptonshireWikipedia:WikiProject NorthamptonshireTemplate:WikiProject NorthamptonshireNorthamptonshire articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Veganism and Vegetarianism Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of veganism and vegetarianism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Veganism and VegetarianismWikipedia:WikiProject Veganism and VegetarianismTemplate:WikiProject Veganism and VegetarianismVeganism and Vegetarianism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Guild of Copy Editors

This article was copy edited by a member of the Guild of Copy Editors.Guild of Copy EditorsWikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsTemplate:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsGuild of Copy Editors articles

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Picture

Not sure about the picture? [ --anon.]

1950 01 May 2006 vandalism

~~Too messy. Anonymous users.~~ Skinnyweed 18:50, 1 May 2006 ( i cant stand this guy he makes my skin crawl.)

Who me? Skinnyweed 03:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dubai?

Anyone who knows, why he's moved to Dubai - is it because of tax reasons, the weather or something else? --85.82.143.44 00:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In a BBC interview he said one of the reasons for moving to Dubai was because "I think the taxes are too high here". Melody Perkins (talk) 05:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps all those things? I think we also need his wife's sirname, it looks a bit weird having just "Peter Ebdon's married to Deborah". -- Drumnbach 11:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

match against Ronnie O'Sullivan in the 2005 World Championship

His shot times have slipped from around 23 seconds to over 30 seconds and this has brought some criticism, particularly his match against Ronnie O'Sullivan in the 2005 World Championship, in which he took 5 minutes to complete a break of 12. These ponderous performances have lacked free flowing breaks and Ebdon has sometimes struggled for victories.

The last sentence makes it appear as though Ebdon's slow play in that match was a bad idea. I (and others at the time) was under the impression that it was a psychological tactic used by Ebdon against O'Sullivan, and one that worked very well. O'Sullivan's temperament is the weakest aspect of his game, and Ebdon’s slow break times put him under the illusion of losing heavily (because he was away from the table for so long). -- Drumnbach 11:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I find the following ok, He enjoyed a good return of form in the World Open, where he beat Steve Davis 3-1, Fergal O'Brien 3-2, Liu Song 3-2, and Martin Gould 3-2 before losing against Ronnie O'Sullivan 1-3. Anyway, he reached his first semi-final since the 2009 China Open and refound a place in the top 16 in the provisional rankings but Armbust, why did you stamp on my edit RE Liang Wenbo and yet allow this to stay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.169.55 (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 9 external links on Peter Ebdon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:13, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Peter Ebdon. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120715045713/http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-ebdon-win-ding-145234803.html to http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-ebdon-win-ding-145234803.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

I've removed all the nicknames from the infobox. Some were rather implausible. Please mind the WP:BLP and do not restore them without a reliable inline ref. GregorB (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Peter Ebdon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 03:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will (ideally) review this within a week. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 03:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for agreeing to take a look at this one for me LunaEatsTuna. Ebdon is such a fascinating player for being the butt of many a joke, but also a very successful player that gets forgotten about. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:25, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick heads-up that I've been told offwiki Luna doesn't have internet access for the next few days, but will be able to resume the reviews after. Vaticidalprophet 16:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No drama. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski @Vaticidalprophet @LunaEatsTuna "the next few days" has stretched into 10 weeks. Luna, are you going to be able to complete this review? RoySmith (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am bowing my head in shame as I admit I forgot all about the existence of this review!! Yes, I'll finish it early tomorrow morning, around ~one a.m. 7 November in my time zone (UTC). ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 20:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

my mistake also, I've been beyond busy, pretty much dropped all Wiki items. Thanks for continuing to look at this Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: review done with comments below; over to you! Feel free to take your time as there are no time restraints on GAs nor do I mind myself. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 01:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No drama. I'll get to it as soon as I can :). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

Earwig says good to go.

Files

All ~~look the same to the untrained eye~~ are good quality and copyvio-free, with appropriate copyright templates.

Prose

"He dropped out of school to pursue his snooker career, after which his father did not speak to him for six months" and maybe "In the early years of his professional career, Ebdon became known for wearing his hair in a ponytail" as well as his colourblindness (I'll let you decide on the last two) can be moved to § Amateur career. Alternatively, you could also do that thing where people merge education and early residency into an § Early life section separate from personal as well.
- Thing is that these aren't things that only happened to him as an amateur, most of this is about him as a person, so I prefer it there. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sounds fair. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Ebdon turned professional in 1991" – meaning (and why '91)?
- I'm not sure I can really explain this in prose. In sports, you are either a professional player, or an amateur. In snooker, if you are a professional player you get entry into professional tournaments (and thus the prize money involved). Nowadays you have to win a place as a professional, but back in 1991, it was more of an opt-in thing. I don't know why he chose that year specifically, but most likely felt he was good enough to perform at that level. Back then there was a lot of professional players (like 250, rather than the 128 now) and there was little barrier to entry. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Drive by comment: before 1991, players applying to be a professional were either accepted or rejected by the World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association (or its predecessor bodies) based, in theory at least, on the strength of their record as an amateur. In some years there were also specific tournaments or series of tournaments where a limited number of players could gain professional status. For 1991, WPBSA membership was opened up so that the only barrier was financial: anyone paying a £500 joining fee and a £100 annual subsciption could join, and over 400, including Ebdon did. The system was changed not long afterwards; by 1997 only the top 64 players in the annual rankings retained professional status. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After the Young Player of the Year sentence, he is used three times successively in separate sentences. They also feel somewhat blocky; is there anyway to possibly merge them together (like the following paragraph) for improved flow?
- Ice made a change to avoid this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Having started the tournament at odds of 33–1" – according to?
- Well, bookies. I'm not sure we have a specific bookmaker according to the source. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, I would probably specify this in the article. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 22:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Crucible curse sentence needs citing.
- I went ahead and removed it as not all that important. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would wikilink libel.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence starting "This was the last time Ebdon ..." also needs a citation.
- Sourced Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"However, the WPBSA did not instigate a match-fixing investigation" – did they say why (and if so, is it perhaps noteworthy?)
- Probably lack of evidence, but they'd never publically say why they didn't do such a thing. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I would remove the quotation and summarise it as "Ebdon stated he was disappointed but proud to have been in the top 16 for X years".
- I've reworded Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"his 300th century break" – wikilink century break.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"He began the 2012–13 season by qualifying ..." – recommend using "Ebdon" here as the above paragraph just used he three times successively.
- Done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the last sentence of § Coaching career (2021–present), I would state "As of [year]" and avoid saying currently.
- I've added the template. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The final paragraph of § Personal life also uses "he" quite a lot.

Refs

Passes spotcheck.

Formatting:

An alternative source should be found for ref 42 (or an archived version of said website).
- Removed unreliable source there. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think Rolf Kalb in ref 91 should be wikilinked.
- I'm not a big fan of linking things other than the actual source in references. Too easy to click the wrong item when trying to find where the info is from. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry LunaEatsTuna I did eventually get through to do this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, no worries! Awesome work – I am satisfied with the changes. Pass. ツ LunaEatsTuna (💬)— 20:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Picture

1950 01 May 2006 vandalism

Dubai?

match against Ronnie O'Sullivan in the 2005 World Championship

External links modified

External links modified

Nicknames

GA Review

Copyvio

Files

Prose

Refs

Pfad - The Proxy pFad of © 2024 Garber Painting. All rights reserved.