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Listen, I'm not a particular Vaush hater, or lover for that matter, I just regularly watch his content on youtube and I agree with most of it. However, I'll have to agree with Letdown101's comments in this page. I mean, how can there possibly be no reference of his recent "folder incident", and all the controversy generated by it? He even addressed it himself so I don't see how come you can't have a section regarding that and his response to it. And mind you, I'm not even much bothered by that incident but you can't deny it was a huge controversy that spilled a lot of ink, so to speak.Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe if you actually read the responses to the various threads upstream from here, you will get all of the answers to your questions. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's business as usual to be stringent about sourcing for living people. If it was a huge thing, WaPo or the NYT would probably have covered it. SWinxy (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, you've got to be kidding with that argument. Is all of the rest of the information about him in his page gathered from newspapers? Like I said, i'm not even that much invested in this subject but it seems @Letdown101 is on to something.Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 18:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Self-published sources (like someone saying something themself) should only be used for uncontroversial self-descriptions. Since this is a controversy, it's by definition not an uncontroversial self description. Plus, if we allowed someone's own word as the sole source for controversies, that could allow very biased descriptions of how the controversy played out, which we do not want on Wikipedia.
Ok, you people do whatever you want, like I said, I really dont care. Well I care enough to start a topic in the talk page, but that's only because I was led to this page by @A Socialist Trans Girl when I was at wikiproject linguistics and she posted a link about a discussion about how to pronouce Vaush, which I found really curious because I thought that was an established matter. Apparently how to pronounce his name is also a big controversy, certainly the biggest he was ever involved in! Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 22:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we consider adding a FAQ about this to the talk page header, since the standard BLP template doesn't seem to be a sufficient reminder that reliable sources aren't optional in a BLP? Or adopt a local practice of quick-closing threads like these that don't propose any suitable sources? VQuakr (talk) 22:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You people already managed to lock this page, now you want to immediately close threads in the talk page just because we don't provide sources? From what I've been reading in this talk page - and I really want to get the hell out of here and only look an linguistics articles - people have provided PLENTY of sources, you just choose to ignore them. I mean, how can there possibly be a neutral article about Vaush and not even mention the folder incident, which is, if not the biggest, one of the biggest controversies of his carrer, at least recently. You could even point out, like he did in his "context video", that most of the criticisms of him were in bad faith with numerous out of context clips; however, regarding his explanation of not being aware that a particular image was "loli" (i believe that's the term) you have to take him at his word, and that's subjective.
Thanks for the information, and thank you very much for providing that link about an expression i wasn't aware of, that in no way describes my activity here; now you're just gaslighting me - here's a link for you too; I receive and I give. Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Listen people, let me end this: I wasn't trolling, contrary to @Primefac's sugestion, when i started this thread, i was genuinely surprised to see that Vaush's page didn't include a single refference to that incident. I'm not a child, i dont spend my time trolling. But everyone feel free to stop replying to me and end this discussion; I don't plan to make any edit to this page (i dont think i even can), and even if i wanted to i'm too lazy to provide all the sources you desperately call for, just dont confuse my criticism for trolling; I have to say I even felt slighly offendend with that suggestion. Goodbye for ever, and it was a pleasure to meet you all! Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh just one last thing: you have to admit that one "straight from the horse's mouth" was pretty funny, right? Ok, now I really have to go, i have a murder scheduled. Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Primefac mentioned it when he referred to me as "sea lion", which, according to the wikipedia page that he linked to is described as a form of trolling, maybe you should've check that link before commenting! Regarding the use of the word "desperate" on my part, I was trying to make a jocose remark and coudnt think of the exact word i was looking for, so I left it at that. Maybe "eagerly" would be better? I dont know, i'm sorry guys, i'm not tryimg to offend anyone. Sérgio R R Santos (talk) 01:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NotQualified ??? I'm pretty sure commercials don't describe its product as a "controversial figure" that's received "criticism for various statements." Just because it isn't as negative as his haters want doesn't mean it's promoting him in the slightest; read WP:NPOV and MOS:LEAD. I swear, it's as if people invent things to criticize just because they think words are free. PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sorry i meant more the way it's phrased than the content itself. read this for example
"Noted for his confrontational style, use of memes and mimicry from right-wing YouTubers, he is considered a notable figure within the BreadTube community. Described as a progressive and libertarian socialist"
it just sounds, odd? also nothing in the lede is sourced.
See WP:LEADCITE: the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article. As long as everything in the lead is cited in the body of the article, it should be ok, feel free to point anything out if you think it isn't cited in the body anywhere. You should be able to edit the page - make some changes to try and fix any tone issues! You might be reverted but can come back here to discuss if you are. Or you can make any suggestions here if you don't want to directly edit the page. Shapeyness (talk) 09:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]