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Greater Palestine and Palestinian irredentism

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Hello. Applodion, since you are an expert in revising and rewriting quotations from secondary sources, can you help us? Because the article undoubtedly achieves notability, but there is a bit scarcity of information. It needs to increase information and secondary sources. Here is just a few. [1] is behind a paywall however. The Palestinian National Council convened in February-March 1971 considers that there exists a historical national bond between Palestine and Jordan from time immemorial. (Palquest), [2]. Sakiv (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sakiv: Looks like the discussion is already over and the article got merged. Sorry that I didn't see your message in time. Applodion (talk) 13:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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General Nechaev photo

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Hello! Please explain why you rejected the insertion of a rare photo of General Konstantin Nechaev from my own collection without explanation? Please look into it and revert the changes.My collection of photographs of Nechaev’s Russian detachment is the largest in the world, about a thousand photographs, but you do not allow them to be published. Why? MBlinoff (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MBlinoff: For a very simple reason: I researched Nechaev several years ago, and one source outright said that almost all photos/films of him were taken by a Soviet film crew. Their footage was later released and is thus copyrighted, but the exact realease date is no longer known - thus, it is nearly impossible to find footage of him whose copyright is definitively expired. So, odds are that you got access to a collection which is still copyright-protected. Or can you prove that your photos were never released? Or that they taken by a non-Russian crew? Or anything at all about the photos' origin? Applodion (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the situation is as follows. Photographs of the Nechaev Detachment were taken by several photographers. Many died before 1929, many later. The Soviets were enemies of the ranks of the detachment. When the NKVD captured China, about 150-200 photographs were received of Nechaev’s detachment. Now they are in the Russian archive of GARF. Part was published by Russian authors. Copyrights conditionally belong to GARF (conditionally, because according to international laws, rights belong to photographers). The NKVD received these photographs without permission. I collected a collection in the 90s in the USA. The veterans of Nechaev’s detachment gave me their photographs (which they took themselves or which their friends took for them). Now this collection of mine numbers about 1000 photographs. In the 00s, I gave my friends a small number of photographs for the publication of books (author Alexander Okorokov). Then these photographs from the book began to circulate on the Internet illegally without the permission of me and Okorokov. I only posted the photo of Nechaev that I tried to upload on the page of my website. But I don't mind free use on Wikipedia. I see that you are also interested in the civil war in China, so let's be friends and think about how to use what correctly. If you need rare photographs, I am also ready to provide them to you (both published on the Internet and not published). This is the situation, now decide what to do.
PS. I posted this photograph of Nechaev only here, on the page of my website with my article. MBlinoff (talk) 09:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Ok, but by your explanation, the copyright to these photos still belongs to the original photographers, not you. They gave you the permission to use / publish them, but not to release them into creative commons. Legally, it is entirely possible that some of your photos are still officially owned by the photographers' families. Furthermore, the fact that GARF published some content makes this even more complicated - because the rules for expired copyright of non-published photos (i.e. PD-US-record-expired) states that the image is not allowed to have ever been published before 2003. In essence: GARF stole the photos, but by releasing them tiggered the copyright rules which apply to the original photographers, i.e. "copyright expires no later than 70 years after the death of the author".
To put it in a simple way: The only photos which you could upload to Wikimedia are those which a) were never published/released anywhere before 2003, including not by GARF or b) photos which were actually published somewhere before 1929 (If you know the photographers of some images and their death dates, it would also help immensely). Any other photos would have to be deleted as copyright violations.
Please understand that your photos are of immense value and would be absolutely amazing additions to Wikipedia and Wikimedia, but we have to make sure that the copyright rules (as stupid as many of these rules are) are respected. Applodion (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's about it, but... There are different laws for photographs. For example, many photographs from the collection of the Imperial War Museum, the copyright belongs to the owners of the collections, and not to those who made them. Transferring (purchasing, donating) old photographs or postcards also means transferring copyright to use this artifact. You need to focus on the leading museums (archives) of the world. An archive that has a photograph also has copyright on it as an artifact of the collection. As for the photographs of Nechaev’s detachment, at the moment 1) it is unknown who took the photographs 2) When photographers transferred photographs to friends, this was considered the right to own them and use them for their intended purpose. 3) Most of the photographers were beaten in the war of 1925-1929 or in Stalin’s camps. 1945-1953. Some of the photographs I received from surviving participants were taken by them themselves. Unfortunately, it is now impossible to determine who the author of the photographs is (the majority), but the copyright for reproduction belongs to the owners of the photographs. This is international practice. Leading Museums and Archives and collectors of the world use this very practice. Now decide for yourself what you can and cannot do. I follow exactly the practice of world museums/archives. MBlinoff (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
nd one more problem or not a problem. The families will never be able to prove their copyright, since 1) the negatives have not survived. I specifically looked for negatives in all the few families (less 10), but I couldn’t find them. 2) Even if they have negatives, they cannot prove that their father took the photographs, since he could have received the negatives from other people. Witnesses who can confirm who took the photographs have not been alive since the late 90s. The youngest member of Nechaev’s squad died in 2002, the rest earlier. But still the different laws apply to artifacts (photo cards and postcards). The owner of the photographs (for example, a Museum or Archive) has the copyright to the production of this original. MBlinoff (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Actually, I don't think that it is as easy as that. For instance, archives and museums are not allowed to just publish any photo, they usually ask for permission by the owners or take them from state-sponsored groups. The Imperial War Museum largely publishes photos taken by employees of the British Empire, and in cases where they didn't -i.e. captured photos of the Central Powers and Axis during the World Wars- they just didn't care about copyright. Mind you, some museums and archives actually use stolen photos which has led to deletions on Wikimedia when this was discovered. Either way, the members of Nechaev's group were not in service of a organization with legal rights, so all their photos were individually owned, meaning that the copyright would be transferred to family members or through purchase, yet as you say, the exact origin and ownership of the photos remains largely unclear.
However, if you are sure that photos in your collection were never published before 2003, the copyright expired anyway. This would make any previous ownership irrelevant. In those case, we can safely use the "PD-US-record-expired" copyright tag on Wikimedia, and the photos would be safe from deletion. Applodion (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And so what we have. The authorship of this photograph by Nechaev is unknown. The likelihood that he survived and has heirs is extremely unlikely. In this rare case, the heirs cannot confirm the authorship of their father. I didn’t publish this photo until 2003. A year ago I scanned it and posted it on the page of my website. I gave about 15 photographs to my friend Okorokov for his book (after 2003). What are we doing? If we upload again, what should I write about the authorship of this photo in the description? For example, “author unknown, not published until 2003, collection of M. Blinov.” Right? MBlinoff (talk) 18:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I’m waiting for a letter to my email (on a different topic) MBlinoff (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Regarding "author unknown, not published until 2003, collection of M. Blinov" - In essence, yes. There would be two copyright & attribution parts for all of your photos: In "Source", it would be "MBlinoff's collection of historic photographs"; in "Author" it would be "Unknown soldier of Nechaev's unit (original photo) < br > MBlinoff (scan)", and in "Licensing" it would be "cc-by-sa-4.0" (for your scan) and "PD-US-record-expired" (for the original photo).
This should hopefully sort out all of your copyright issues and prevent any more of your photographs from being doubted/deleted. Also, thank you for your patience, I know this proccess is annoying, but believe me - everyone who starts to add historic photograhs on Wikimedia encounters these issues (I did too). Applodion (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strange situation. For example, in an article about Nechaev you give a photograph of General Kappel (1919). It is also unknown who took this photo. But this photograph was given for publication to the magazine "Pioneer" (USA, 1970s). In this case, the heirs of the magazine are alive and can claim their copyright. But you post this photo. It was the tradition of the Russian emigration not to discuss the issue of copyright. The veteran gave a photograph for publication in the magazine without any agreement with the editor. By the way, I also found the original of this photograph of Kappel. In 2006, I gave the photo for publication in books with a warning to indicate that it was from my collection. This was not done. Now this photo is circulating all over the Internet. MBlinoff (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: I didn't upload the photo; the original uploader put a copyright notice at the image that "This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1929." I believed this notice. If you are certain that the photo was first published in the 1970s, it would have to be deleted from Wikimedia. In fact, we should start a deletion request. Applodion (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the best reason is the copyright infringement charge. This particular photo is from a magazine from the 70s in the USA (Pervopokhodnik, LA, Cal). But in the 20s, I think, this photo was published in Harbin newspapers of very poor quality and without an agreement. But we can post the original of this photo, larger in size and better quality. For Wikipedia readers this is much more important. MBlinoff (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I will do exactly this, exactly, so that everything is correct. Wikipedia has a rule that you can have a “mentor” who corrects the correctness of text and photographs. If this doesn’t bother you, I would like you to be such a “mentor” for me (especially since I have a lot of documents and media files on your works). But I have many rare photographs of the 90s and 00s that I took personally. MBlinoff (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Of course, feel free to ask me anything. Btw, I have adjusted the file per my recommendations. If you disagree with anything, please say so. If the changes are ok and correct, we can adjust your other historic photos accordingly. However, if any of the photos were made by people who were still alive after 1940s, please note that we cannot use them. Applodion (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's what we'll do. In the 90s, I specially compiled lists of who from Nechaev’s detachment survived after the 40s. Very little. In 2002, I recorded on video (professionally) the story of a soldier from Nechaev’s detachment, who was 102 years old. I also tried to find out who took the photos. This is impossible. Each regiment had a photographic apparatus, the photographer took pictures for all friends. While the last few people from Nechaev’s detachment were alive, I could not identify the photographer. They all answered that they did not remember who took the photographs, but they died in China. At the end of their service in the unit, they all sold their cameras because they needed money. MBlinoff (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: That's actually enough proof. If the survivors basically confirmed that the photographers had died in China, regardless of who exactly took which photo, then this means that we have confirmed death date(s) 1920s-1940s. In turn, this satisfies the copyright demands. Applodion (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Nechaev's Detachment there was a rule that the owner (and not the author) of a photograph had full right to use the photograph from his collection. Publish yourself, provide photos to various newspapers and magazines (as in the case of General Kappel). But in a legal matter, the heirs of the photographers (even if they are alive) do not have any evidence that the photographs were taken by their father or grandfather. None. Now you know the whole situation. If you consider it necessary to post something from my stories, I will not object. Perhaps this information can be useful. Together we can add to the article about Nechaev about surviving documents and photo archives. MBlinoff (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I reverted, but keep an eye here please [3], thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EkoGraf: I have put the article on my watchlist, thanks for pointing this out. Applodion (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, and thank you too. I looked through that editor's other edits and it seems he made a bunch of other changes regarding the casualty figures, leaving a large number of discrepancies that were contradictory to the sources cited. I think I corrected them all now. EkoGraf (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On the Ahrar al-Sham page were i put Ahrar al-Sham Brigades thats the translation from Arabic as from 2011 to early 2013 Ahrar al-Sham went by Kata'ib Ahrar al-Sham wich translates to Free men of the Levant Brigades. Your imput of Ahrar al-Sham Battalions in Arabic is katiba/katibat Ahrar al-Sham wich is wrong if you translate the logo and flag it says Brigades by the way XD Living (talk) 19:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@XD Living: Sorry, I reverted the edit due to the logo and a redlink being included in the infobox, not due to the name correction. I have adjusted the article accordingly. However, Wikipedia generally tries to keep the use of logos/flags in infoboxes to a minimum. Applodion (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks XD Living (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me change the name of my draft?

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I want to change the name from "Aḥrār aš-Šām Brigades" to Ahrar Al-Sham Brigades. IDK why it's names Aḥrār aš-Šām Brigades and could you check it out for me? XD Living (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@XD Living: I will take a look when I find the time, ok? Applodion (talk) 16:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's fine I sorted it out you can have a look if u like when you find the time Ahrar al-Sham Brigades XD Living (talk) 16:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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