User talk:Drmies/Archive 84

List of works titled as "cycles"

Is there reason for this to exist? LadyofShalott 18:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Or List of literary cycles? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of works titled as "cycles". Drmies (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Good catch, K, and thanks, Drmies! LadyofShalott 19:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The famous Dutch Woman

The famous Dutch Woman... yes -famous. Hafspajen (talk) 22:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• Ah! That's the one? I'm so glad I finally have a picture of her--thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Louise Sophie Blussé

Harrias ^talk 08:01, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Leer

Harrias ^talk 08:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Stoffel Muller

Harrias ^talk 08:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Zwijndrechtse nieuwlichters

Harrias ^talk 08:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Mass song redirect?

Hello. A few days ago, a brand new user created a slew of barebones articles about non-notable songs all by the same band and all of which say basically nothing (Special:Contributions/Purpleberrybomb). Can they just all be redirected to the appropriate album, discography, group article, whatever? Do we really have to go through a whole merge proposal process or AFD all of them? If I redirect them, what do I use as justification? This is so frustrating - seems like my efforts to get rid of crap song articles are just a drop in the bucket, ha ha. Thanks~ Shinyang-i (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I boldly redirected all of them. They contained no information not already present in their album article and the group article. If someone wants to kick me off wikipedia for it, so be it. Shinyang-i (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• Well, I doubt that anyone will kick you off the project for redirecting this! Holy moly that is bad. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
• Also, which "brand new" user? Drmies (talk) 00:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• They're nearly all that bad (kpop song articles), and yet you see how much people argue to keep them, throwing all kinds of nasty accusations at anyone who wants to just merge them, letalone delete them. And people scream even after the merges, even when not a single bit of actual info has been removed. I just wish a lot more editors would come along and do what I've just done, to keep all the weight off my shoulders. There's so so sooooo many of them that need to just stop existing, LOL. The newly-registered username is linked above, Purpleberrybomb. Actually a brand new editor? Well who knows, ha ha. (Man, I really want to get back to improving articles about stuff I actually care about, but the parade of songcrap never ends.) Shinyang-i (talk) 01:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Pablo Iglesias

Somebody has been messing around with the articles Pablo Iglesias and Pablo Iglesias Posse. To my opinion, the articles are in fact correct but a lot of history is lost due to a cut and past move. Can you, or any other admin, fix this? I think I miss the right tools to do that. The Banner talk 18:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• OK Banner, here is one obvious problem. But the funny thing is, in that same history was a similar error, ten years ago, and deletion may actually solve the problem. Then again, I'm watching an episode of House, so strange twists are to be expected. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much. No strange explosions noted on the way. The Banner talk 03:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Still, please ping Kelapstick; he's much better at tedious stuff than I am, and loves mining into old layers of crap. Zing! Drmies (talk) 03:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

A long history

@Drmies: you have no idea of the scope of this matter. If you dig into the last 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed at me and my responding with what I felt was a honest reply to the users months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, you are completely out of line here. If you care to bring up your concerns with the Signpost editor please do so. It has been almost non stop for months. I have tried and tried and tried to get the user to relax but it just continued and continued and continued. Do your research please before calling me a asshole. This is about 2 months of drama that most the SP editors are tired of already. I am not the source of the drama. We all made a stream of attempts to get the user to talk, and now to make believe that it was a typo and she meant to tell me that "I would go out and shout people in the street", give me a break. We all choose our own paths in this world and every editor of the signpost will tell you just how much I have tried to get this user to be reasonable. We all would rather Haffy calmed down and worked as a team member, but the cumulative number of random passive aggressive actions that have been directed at me with no justification whatsoever has become something no one wants to deal with. I am sorry if calling someone's behavior out as childish was not candy coated enough, perhaps that might cross cultural lines to be a offensive thing, but I know all the SP editors feel the same way. User:WPPilot

• I gave you a break. And just like Ed didn't call Hafs a sexist (or a troll), I didn't call you an asshole. Hafs makes enough typos for this to have been a likely one. And I will tell you something else, WPPilot: that last sentence of yours is completely assholish. This, this talkpage, is a happy place, and such passive-aggressive whining about supposed "cultural lines" disguised as an apology is not allowed here. And if Hafs had really been on a three-month crusade during which they were persecuting you, *cough cough*, then maybe you should have done something about it, something within our guidelines. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry but the typo excuse fails when later Haffy clearly placed on her page the People in the US go around shooting each other, but that does not happen in Sweden (I am paraphrasing here) further substantiating what the intent of the original comment was designed to do. I in no way apologized so I have nothing to disguise. I have tried to be civil and work as a team at all times. I have NEVER considered any of my contributions to SP FC, as final drafts, this is all about my being a co editor on SP FC section. No one requires a invite to join that group. I have been contributing to the section in the way of photography now for 6 years and felt that I could assist. Haffy was at one time grateful and during a prior issue asked me to continue,. Enough is enough and I have washed my hands of this. If Haffy wants to have a online convo via Skype with the editorial staff of the signpost the invite is wide open and I would be glad to join and have dialog, off site but with this post I will not address this, or the user again, on this site, in the hopes that we are all able to continue productively contributing to the site. Thank you and I am sorry if anyone was offended, I would love to chalk it up to cultural differences and just go back, but clearly Haffy seems to want me to dis continue contributing to the SP, something any of us can do and she is clearly set on her dramatic exit. So be it. Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  00:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There's also the deliberate correction of "shoting" to "shooting." In any case, it would probably be best to back away from all this and let tempers, mine included (I'm a "bully" now?), subside before entering into a dialogue. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Ed, I read that correction quite differently from how you do, but hey. Pilot, nothing personal here; I understand everyone's on edge and short-tempered, and so am I--please forgive me for being straightforward. I've let Hafspajen know where I stand as well: sort of in the middle, I suppose. I kind of want everyone to get along, of course, and I don't know if that's possible here, but I'd like a reduction of response and commentary. I think Hafs could also have done a better job at containment, but seriously, Pilot--if you think that the other party is at fault, or trolling, or whatever, then there's little point in going to their talk page to scold them... Drmies (talk) 01:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Pilot, I think what Hafspajen might want you to do is stop yelling, and take back some of those comments. Pot, kettle: there's plenty of drama to go around here. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I wanted you to do is stop yelling, maybe I shouldt use that sho--- word, since I obviously can't spell it. You are completely out of line looks like your favorite expression. Sorry Drmies, that now it was you who got that thrown in your face. WPPilot, I have a suggestion, take this matter to ANI. Say that I was directing non stop aggression directed at you, several month, provide diffs and go and launch your case, please. Hafspajen (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like an excellent idea. Otherwise, it's just a lot of he said she said. On two different talk pages. Each with its own version. No one wants to dig into three months of anything to find out what is going on. Let's just chalk it up to built-up personality differences, or bad moments/days/week/moods/whatever. And take some time to chill out. Softlavender (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

*@Hafspajen: I am super and extremely sorry that you and I had any indifference, and that my comments have offended you. We were working well in the past, and I think of you as a friend. You have previously been supportive and I was grateful for that support. Please forgive any miss understands that we have had, and please please please, forgive me, and any frustrations that I may have caused you, that was NEVER my intent. Sincerely: "WPPilot" talk→ WPPilot  16:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Why do I have the feeling that I am talking to two different persons suddenly? You say you are sorry, you think about me as a friend, and never intended any frustration that you caused. Just above you said something very different, plus on number of talkpages around Wikipedia. Those are pretty serious accusations, and you succeeded to convince like almost the entirely Sing post redaction about it. They all think about me as a totally crazy unreliable person by now. Witch part did you really meant?

• Do you really think that I was directing non-stop aggression towards you, and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, or not? Hafspajen (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• @Hafspajen: Hur säger man "Chill Out" på svenska? I am going to stick to myself. I have said I was sorry and have in the past when you took things the wrong way. I do not want to put any further time into this. My comment about you acting childish was something that I would say to my 73 year old mother if I felt that way about something she was doing, so I was treating you as anyone else around me and it is not cause to have a digital meltdown or create a section of your talk page dedicated to the drama. Communication is key to any group and its ability to be productive. That is what I am about, working as a part of a group for a common objective. I am not going to address your comments above. I have not convinced anyone of anything, we are all free to make our own judgments and using reasonable logic come to a conclusion. I have decided not to dredge up every interaction in the historical archives and have made a point of keeping my comments to a minimum. Please take a break, go have some Aquavit & Pittapanna (yummy). Don't forget to put the shot glass on your head, as we do in Norway. Ha en bra dag, smaklig malted, tack så mycket. (Ett språk är aldrig nog) talk→ WPPilot  20:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC

• You say you are not not going to address your comments above. The next sentence you say communication is important. That is a contradiction. Either way, you see, before this I was seen as a valuable editor, not a problem editor. That is kinda gone now, thanks to your comments. You say it was me who took things the wrong way? It's only four(?) -weeks since you last apologized to me - and the same thing happened all over again.

Also all this was forcing me to disclose my gender, something that I never wanted to do. I promised myself if this ever happen, I will quit. This was indirectly caused by you, here, with this comment, that made Ed reacting. Ed was going by your comment. You did at least convinced at least one person, who never really knew me much before that I am making personal attacks. these attacks are going to continue to disrupt the process and by design my ability to contribute unless this is brought to the attention of Admins.. This is something you wrote only a day ago. You also said like 5 hours ago above that this is about 2 months of drama ... I am not the source of the drama... I know all the SP editors feel the same way. That leaves me as a reason, according to you.

Yes, I feel that not only my personal honor is compromised, but my personal integrity as well. I am not taking this easily. It is nothing that it can be fixed with alcohol or chilling out. ^{The comment about putting a shot glass on your head - could be misunderstood too, whatever that means, but never mind.}.

I feel that first posting around accusations and than taking them back just as easily is kinda confusing. I still feel that if you think I indeed was directing non-stop aggression towards you, and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, than please provide diffs. Those are serious accusations. And if you make them please provide diffs on them, at least a couple. You say: I have decided not to dredge up every interaction in the historical archives .... why not? Because if you come up with these accusations than at least you can support them? Hafspajen (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Or maybe you simply didn't meant all that seriously? Hafspajen (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Or maybe because there is no such thing as me causing 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed towards you and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks? Hafspajen (talk) 23:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Here is the song I suggest: "Joe Jackson - Breaking Us In Two", I think this says it all, lets see how the end plays out. - User:WPPilot

• Don't start templating me. According to your edit summary, you say : I will not address this again on Wikipedia, ciao. Well, I think you should address it. You made these accusations here, address them here. We are all here, right now. You tried to compromise my person here, do address it here. And, actualy I don't agree with the practice of an entire group of editors go off Wiki to discuss issues.

I say, your previous I am sorry was coming after this discussion, where several editors were discussing with you temper, here: User_talk:Ahunt#User:WPPilot. It was BilCat and Ahunt who were discussing your edits and attitude with you. You had similar issues here, User_talk:Castncoot #Learning to Fly, too. I think that then, a month ago; by apologizing you hoped that you removed the seriousness of the issues directed to you. I did forgive you then. But now, it started again.

Now I want something else. Please, if you made such accusations as me causing 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed towards you and directing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks please provide with diffs and don't try hiding behind Skype discussions designed only for Signpost editors. Remember, that I am not joining that discussion, so it is unfair of you to tell me to discuss it on Skype, when I am not there and neither will be. Our security thinks there are serious issues with Skype, so forget Skype. I am not there, I am here.

Some people actually might believe what you say. I don't want apologies any more, I had apologies from you several times before, I accepted them, here, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hafspajen&diff=next&oldid=651295545 and nothing changed. I want the Truth. If you don't do that, but you start evading it again by refusing, by templates, and referring to do it only on off Wiki discussions - I declare here and now that those accusations were false. So at least I can leave Wikipedia in a different way, not with a compromised character. Hafspajen (talk) 07:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hafspajen: do not contact me again. talk→ WPPilot  14:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you. Than I take it as I said above. ^{(No I never e-mailed him, everthing is in the diffs, each and every interraction, just make this point very clear)} Hafspajen (talk) 14:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Ashura processions in Kashmir

FYI Though I have little hope by now that the user will get a clue and discuss, instead o edit-warring. Abecedare (talk) 03:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Yep. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

User back at article as 49.138.46.195 (talk · contribs) and under his own account. The latest edits are not as egregious as the previous ones, but not looking forward to explaining due-weight and simple MOS rules. Any ideas on best course? Semi-protection seems warranted; still unsure if edit-restriction are called for. Pinging @Future Perfect at Sunrise: in case you are busy, or plain tired of this. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:15, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Handled by FPAS. So now your to-do list is down to ∞-1, by my count. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

New user doesn't seem too new to me

Hello yet again. You had a little break from me but never fear, I'm here to harass/beg/whine again. =) Bradley sniper seems off. It's a new account, and has already voted at least twice on kpop-related AFDs (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hani (singer), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Style for You), going so far as to actually revert the blanking/redirection of a page whose AFD was closed as "delete and redirect" (here). His edits on various anime pages don't look very "new user" to me. Could be a new name for an existing user, all totally legit, but in kpop, well, you know how it typically goes. It just doesn't pass the smell test to me, but I cannot offer evidence of wrongdoing. Any opinion or advice? Shinyang-i (talk) 04:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I just realized he reinstated that deleted article three freaking times ([1]). Doesn't that merit some kind of action? Shinyang-i (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Well, if they had been warned earlier, maybe. This is a remarkable edit for a newbie, but it doesn't rise to the level of that other editor, what was it, that Purplebomb or whatever. That they stopped editing is suggestive, but I cannot in good conscience argue "returning editor under throwaway account avoiding scrutiny" like I could for Cherrybomb. I'd let it go, and see what happens: my guess is they're gone. What we really need is a few SPIs and a ton of CU evidence, since (as you know) I have a hunch that there's only a few dozen K-pop editors and a million accounts--but until Bbb23 gets out of their heavy involvement with other editors, that will be hard to come by. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
• Shinyang, maybe you want to add Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tistory: Special Live Tour and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scream (TVXQ song) to your K-pop list? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Actually the user just commented on an AFD yesterday. But I understand the predicament! It's all baffling to me ... all this over kpop! :) Will add those two items to the Korea-related discussion page - thanks! Shinyang-i (talk) 14:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
• Every single by TVXQ (the group whose song you AFD'd) has an article (see Template:TVXQ singles). Most look long but say pretty much nothing. See what I mean when I say this never ends? It takes a ton of work and fighting to AFD (or merge) even one of them and then there are a thousand more remaining. There's got to be a better way... Pleeeease? :) Shinyang-i (talk) 15:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• I don't think there is a better way: as long as editors keep writing all that stuff up we have no choice but to deal with it the proper, policy-valid way. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
• Holy shit. Is that more than Template:U2 singles? Holy shit. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Well, as I said on a recent AFD, the Apink filmography was longer than the Christopher Lee filmography, that of a man whose film career spans nearly 70 years. Kpop editors have no self-restraint at all and recent-ism is a huge problem. Huuuuuge problem. But I'm not telling you anything you don't know already, ha ha. I was just hoping there was a magic wand we could wave, ha ha. :D Shinyang-i (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:INVOLVED?

2011! I didn't even know we had a working relationship, fragile or otherwise. I once asked an editor who complained about another editor on my Talk page whether the other editor was being disruptive. The editor graciously and candidly said, no, not disruptive, just annoying. Afterwards I thought to myself what would happen to Wikipedia if all annoying editors were blocked. It would be so much easier to administer, wouldn't it? And then I thought what would happen if all annoying administrators were also blocked. There'd be only one bland sweet unproductive editor and one laid back robotic administrator chatting about what they're going to do today. After hours of discussion, they finally decide: we'll do the same thing we did yesterday. Cheers.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Wait--whether you and I have a working relationship? We're like two peas in a pod! Wait--you involved with Flyer? Well, everyone is just about involved with everyone else. BMK knows I'd block him in a heartbeat if he starts talking musical comedy one more time, even though he and I share a condo in Jersey. And this edit, yeah, I find that potentially blockable as well. I believe that the blood of rattlesnakes should water the tyrant tree of liberties as much as the next guy/gal/zebra, but that sort of thing is asinine and I've blocked editors for similar edits also. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I had angelotti with morel mushrooms and fava beans for lunch. Not exactly peas but fava beans are soooo pretty, and the dish itself was lovely (taste-wise).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
    • You are SO lucky. Mushrooms fall under a topic ban in my cooking room. Drmies (talk) 01:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

File:Our house.jpg

Our house. Note the absence of mushrooms in papa's cooking room.

• Wait, block me, I am annoying. My user page (head line "Hallelujah" because He was despised premiered on a 13 April, see OTD) shows "general hostility, stirring and accusations", and my talk the annoying image of monkeys, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Well, on the Swedish wiki you'd have been indeffed already! No monkey business! Drmies (talk) 15:48, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Who, I? - monkeys yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
• ps: advice wanted, what would you do if someone described your user page like that? I tried to ignore so far but am not sure it's the right thing in this case, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Eh, I don't know--I guess I also would say nothing, or I'd say they were wrong. I actually don't see it because...well, it's rather cryptic (in the "workshop" section?). I clicked on two links, and the second one was to me, me! when we were merrily chatting about Saint B. So maybe there are links in there that Ernst think display all that, and maybe it's not a good idea to have such links on there, but it's hardly an open display of hostility etc. Given the atmosphere, it's probably best to say nothing. I sound like a broken record--there are many, many things that it seems we should just say nothing about. BTW, Ernst suggested I consider starting an RfC, but that's not going to happen: I'm on the fence on the general topic, sure, but I have the feeling that there is no neutral question to ask in the first place, and RfCs aren't typically "general". Drmies (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for supporting what is easiest: nothing. An RfC is not useful because it seems rather a narrow corner of the project which can be avoided. The "logic" that I must be hostile because I have been restricted is easy but wrong ;) - I have not been in a single edit war in my career here (I mean: I have not made 3 reverts of the same thing in a day) and plan to keep it that way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

  Well, I can be a bit more explicit: Ernst, I don't think that comment was really warranted and it's not in the best interest of the project. The content I think you were pointing at is clearly (IMO) not inflammatory enough (if at all) to be characterized thusly. Please consider striking it: it will make you look better in the eyes of ____ (fill in the blank). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• (after rehearsal, Brixi - Pärt - Mozart) clarifying: there is nothing to strike because it is part of a declined arb request which I had said to unwatch during the Holy Week. - It strikes me as odd that I had to apologize for having told someone that he made my day. Obviously my idea of hostility is different. - The links on my user page help me to remember nice chats, - "pride and prejudice" is simply factual, - look for "laugh" for a laugh, and the infobox wars best remembered as a farce (which takes us back to here) ;) - Sadly, there are real victims, some listed under the monkeys. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

  Gerda, I'm sorry, but I'm not following. I don't see where someone forced someone else to apologize for something, but more importantly, I don't see how that relates to "this", and by now I'm not even sure what "this" is: it was a comment by Bbb about someone altogether different, not related to ArbCom or infoboxes, as far as I'm aware. Too many things are starting to sound like marital disputes, and old age is becoming something of a blessing for me: I am beginning to forget, and that is not always a bad thing, unless one is in the classroom. I think back of my own disputes, my own inveterate enemies: I forgot most of them, and some of those enemies, I have no doubt, I get along with quite well because I forgot, they forgot, water under the bridge, who knows. Does anyone still remember I got blocked? Shouldn't I be saving diffs, maybe haunt the involved parties? If I wasn't this forgetful and shallow I might have bailed out long ago. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• (sorry, also not related) I run a list of diffs on which I found (by searching for today's date and following the links):

"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine" (2012)

"enjoyment in Wikipedia" (2013)

"Oh my god, how can (blank) not have a Wikipedia page?" (2014)

imagine others complexly (2012)

It helps me, day by day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

ps: do you hear me, Hafspajen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Condo in Jersey, eh? You have to have $7 mill in the bank and agree to pay $170 k in taxes a year for that. Even Bergerac couldn't move there. So that's where all the donations have gone… Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Blackmail? Mies is extorting you? How? What vast horrific secret does he know about you? Softlavender (talk) 15:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Can't tell you, or you'll be extorting me as well. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• No worries Xanty. Just make sure you stick to the payment plan, or you'll be going to the shelter for a new hedgehog as well. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• If all editors and administrators were blocked for being annoying, Jimbo would have a lot of work to do on this wiki by hisself because everyone is annoying to someone... I probably annoy more than not myself (yes, I know I do)... — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I seed seen that monkey self-portrait done as a 3D thing in the local garden centre- it were horrible. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Editing restrictions

Hello, Drmies,
I came across an editor who has a clear editing restriction (she can not create new categories) and not only was it imposed upon her account several years ago but it was reaffirmed two years later. But when I look at WP:EDR, I find her case isn't listed in the tables. I'd ask the last admin (Darkwind) who dealt with the situation about it but he hasn't been active lately.

I use to come across instances like this before when I was new to editing on a regular basis and I wasn't sure what action to take. The way it is with these cases, the only way any admin or editor would know that an editing restriction exists is if they went searching back into user talk page archives (and not all editors archive their talk pages) or if they had a very good memory. Any advice on what should be done? Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Typically such restrictions come out of an AN or ANI discussion, so plowing through those archives is helpful. Where was it set up? where was it reaffirmed? Drmies (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I haven't gone through the AN/ANI archives, I just saw notices of the topic ban violations on the user's talk page and in their archives. The editor is Venustar84 and I believe that the editing restriction was against creating categories and perhaps creating articles, too. Usually what I see are notes on an editor's talk page with no logging of the topic ban/editing restriction. I guess in future cases, I'll just bring it to the attention of an admin, ideally, the one that imposed the topic ban. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Here are some related links:

• Venustar84 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Neptunekh2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Neptunekh/Archive

There was not a formal community ban of Venustar84 from categories. But it was an admin warning issued by User:Elen of the Roads, to Neptunekh2 in 2011, telling her not to create categories or mainspace articles. Neptunekh2 has been indef blocked as a sock of User:Venustar84, who can be viewed as a successor account. If Venustar84 is still having trouble after all this time, perhaps an indef block should be considered. Editing restrictions have value only for those who are able and willing to follow them. But I haven't researched the latest edits of Venustar84 to see if there is still a competence problem. EdJohnston (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Thank you Ed. Liz, what do you think? Drmies (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Wow, thank you for doing all of the research, Ed! Elen's words sure read like it was a formal editing restriction as Venustar84 received a warning two years later when she violated it and created new categories. She is an active editor and has created new categories recently but they were valid ones, they were not inappropriate. I brought it up to Drmies not because I was soliciting a block but because of my confusion on why editing restrictions like this one, which other admins should be aware of, aren't logged. The burden shouldn't be on the admin imposing a restriction to forever police the editing activities of an editor and, besides that, admins retire! Talk page messages get archived or deleted. This isn't the only time I've seen this occur either.

Perhaps the issue is that this editing restriction wasn't sanctioned by the community and maybe WP:EDR only contains those kind of blocks. I think that is a mistake as it is way too easy for these cases to fall through the cracks. And I think it actually makes it more complicated if the editor wants the editing restriction reviewed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I haven't looked into it yet--what with this a Girl Scouts evening and all that--but yes, restrictions should be logged; I did not think that it was just for community-sanctioned restrictions. Logging them is kind of a hassle but it's important, and I'm glad you learned me something: "EDR". I remember having to look for it more than once; "editing restrictions" isn't an automatic alternative for "topic ban". Anyway, individual admins imposing bans are typically pursuant to ArbCom-sanctioned discretionary stuff, and that's probably not what we have here. Going to AN is always best. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, "Except as noted above, individual editors, including administrators, may not directly impose bans." Wikipedia:Banning policy. So, Liz, I guess you can get the ball rolling on AN, if you like, asking for a renewal/formalization of the ban, or you can let it go. As it stands right now, I don't think this can be called a ban under our current understanding of "ban". Drmies (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I have absolutely no desire to renew an old ban upon another editor and from what you write, it sounds like this ban is considered invalid and null in a 2015 Wikipedia environment. See, now if this ban was listed in the EDR, it could now be removed! I'll let you (or another admin) know when I see this happening again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

New proposal

pls see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Ban Chealer from Wikipedia altogether -- Moxy (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• An admin should simply assess the consensus (Begoon already asked for it) of the first proposal--surely someone can make sense of it and draw a general conclusion. I'd ask Floquenbeam, who never met a Gordian knot he couldn't cut through. Drmies (talk) 17:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Meh, I just restored it from the archives as an ongoing mess that had been archived prior to resolution. I've commented again, supporting Moxy's point. I don't personally think the conclusion is too hard, but I utterly endorse your endorsement of Floq as a Gordian knot cutter. Begoon ^talk 18:07, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I got this same notice from Moxy but I wasn't sure about the appropriateness of voting on WP:AN which seems, more than AN/I, to be the province of administrators. Liz 18:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Liz, can you remove whatever font size thing there is in your signature that disrupts the line spacing on the page? Begoon ^talk 19:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any problem and this has never been mentioned before to me. But I'll change to a simple signature in these comments. Liz 21:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm I see it but it wasn't really a problem for me--thanks, though, for listening. And now, of course, you're cool and simple like me! Even shorter! Liz...what a nice ring it has, doesn't it...short but insistent... Liz...then what? it suggests there's more to come, like in "listen!" Drmies (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

In the 1980s, a friend tried to convince me to spell it Lyz but that looks like the name of a player in a heavy metal band. So, it'll just be Liz-ten. Or the ever popular childhood taunt, Liz-zard. Liz 17:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

They said that? What dicks. But hey, you're you, and they're still losers. Drmies (talk) 05:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Two days ago this talkpage was blank, and now it's cramped again with messages. That's a night-time job beside your normal job! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• Ha, thanks--and I don't have enough time for either one... Drmies (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Support barnstar, sorry about Herz ausschütten ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Requesting your involvement in one of our landmark controversies

, he said, because he can't help himself with silly little plays on words. It looks like the month long article lock on Landmark Worldwide has expired with no real changes. I think maybe it might help if someone who isn't counted as being a POV pusher of one "side" or the other were to maybe help out in framing the dispute for either RfC's or mediation. With maybe one exception, I think most of the editors involved would think that you have displayed some knowledge of the subject and try to come across as being as fair as possible. Granted, anyone else who sees this is more than welcome to chime in as well, but I was wondering if you might be willing to at least help frame the dispute so that mediation can be attempted, and, maybe, willing to take part to some degree in the mediation. John Carter (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

• John, I really don't know. I don't know if I have it in me, and honestly, maybe I have lost the brainpower to deal with these complexities. I look at these disputes and I can't help but wonder, what does it matter? What's the fuss? I appreciate the kind words, and I like to think that I've been a straight shooter (or, equal-opportunity offender...), and I suppose I would like to help get one problem out of the world (our world). Where's all the others? Why isn't NE Ent doing this? You know, I can say I'll look at it, and I might even mean that: but before I can do that I have work to do, real work--I'm teaching 2666 in a semester full of epics and that should come first. In other words, I just can't promise anything except for my good intentions.

  OK. Time to put the kids to bed and get to work. Maybe, maybe. Thanks for the note, John. (And, again, what a TERRIBLE movie you are!) Drmies (talk) 01:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) An article in The Observer 14 December 2003 by Amelia Hill refers to the destruction of its main New York office in the Twin Towers. Haven't found any other mention of this. An article in Huff Post here seems pretty good. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Does seem similar to me to Chinese methods of re-education under Mao (studied them under a Professor from SOAS), but those had an ideological purpose and an overt ideology to be imparted. This might be how the accusations of cult arise; if the methods are used without an underlying ideology, what mental framework is being constructed? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:03, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• There actually is acknowledged to be an underlying ideology, at least in one of the more recent sources, although it seems that the promoters of Landmark are maybe less than enthusiastic about talking about it. And at least for me the primary reason for wanting something done about this is that, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, one of our best and most productive editors, particularly working in fields which don't get a lot of attention, is so far as I can tell working against more than one person with serious COI or POV problems, and that makes it problematic. Other admins have acknowledged seeing evidence of COI elsewhere, although the editors involved seem to deny it still. And, taking into account some of the hits the group has had in the press lately, it seems not unreasonable that the COI/POV wing is trying to pretty up the content for generally unacceptable reasons.
• From my own perspective, the primary concern here is about how to deal with entities which have had a lot of name changes, and which try to reinvent themselves with each name change. This, unfortunately, isn't that uncommon among new religious movements which encounter problems, but it does make it harder to determine how many articles we should have, and what material should go where. Having some sort of precedent of how to deal with such topics would, I think, be useful in a lot of our business content, and some of our pop culture content. Most of the time, with maybe only a few exceptions in NRMs like Scientology and Falun Gong which come to mind, we don't have a lot of precedent of how to deal with such matters, and it would be useful to have clear precedents for the groups or ideas which seem to constantly rename themselves in the attempt to divorce themselves from their history. John Carter (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Anyway, found the details- they leased the whole of the 15th floor of Tower 1 of the World Trade Center, but only three of the staff were in the building (not the office). According to a volunteer "everyone showed up late that day". A Landmark press release of 17 December 2002 stated Although LE's offices were lost in the tragedy of 9/11, fortunately, its entire staff survived unharmed thanks to the heroics of the New York City’s police and firefighters. In commemorating the LE center, LE would like to honor the extraordinary commitment and heroism of firefighters and policemen in New York and throughout the United States of America by offering police and firefighters its core program, The Landmark Forum - free of charge. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Exact reason for page deletion?

You deleted page Ali Imtiaz stating it wasn't explaining or proving why subject was notable. Well mate, that was really harsh. =) Many pages wandering here with no or little notability (many having just two/three sources only) ,while this article is of notable celebrity from Pakistan. Where does it say that a local has to be internationally famous as well to meet the criteria ? The person is in Top 5 reverbnation artists of Pakistan since last three years, have done print and electronic media interviews, acted in short films & theater plays, soon to be alumini of National University of Computer and Emerging Sciences, released official music video, while two more lined up for this year. And you still think it doesn't deserve to be in here ? Pls reconsider it mate, expecting positive vibes. =) Cheers! =)

• JoneCahill85, sorry, but I looked at it again and I don't see a very believable claim of importance; in fact, the article could have been nominated for deletion as purely promotional as well. Reverbnation, that's not much of a claim esp. if it isn't backed up by reliable secondary sources. References such as this one simply don't cut it per our policy, and if you're going to try again, maybe through WP:AFC, you should consider finding better, more acceptable, more reliable sources. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Flipora page vandalism again

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flipora&action=history. You locked the Flipora page from edits in Feb to prevent the Haminoon and others from vandalizing it. You also personally reversed Haminoon's edits. Now, Haminoon has again made a malicious edit, by referencing a microsoft page last edited 4 years back, which refers to a defunct product. I request you to reverse this edit, since the page has now been locked for edits by regular users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.184.80.20 (talk • contribs)

• Well, they reverted after your talk page post, I think, so I don't see a problem. BTW, I don't see how I could call their edit "malicious": I'm no mindreader, and it doesn't seem very malicious to me. Drmies (talk) 05:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Peace is contagious is at it again

Another attempt to sabotage his own talk page, after being warned about that multiple times: [2] Sadly, it seems that I was correct in my presumption of bad faith. I know, not very Wikipedian of me, but sometimes it is what it is. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 04:15, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

• Maybe, but I'm not going to indef someone because they screwed up on their own talk page. If they're to be indeffed it should be because of something big or really disruptive. When that happens, please let me know. Drmies (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

This guy obviously just has a "beef" with me (to use the vernacular) ...and much why I had the problem to begin with; after my initial errors, for which I apologized to Cyphoid Bomb. I'm not ENTIRELY familiar with the technicalities of WIki- I don't want a bunch of superfluous, non-didactic, accusatory melodrama on my Talk page...I prefer to "keep" the links & stuff I need (like a link to your page, so I can consult u if needed)

How do I "call" or 'tag' some1 into a post ? I'm familiar w/ Facebook nomenclature/methods, but not the HTML? or whatever is used here. I prefer u to "OK" my edit for BCS entries, as the ones there are clumsy, wordy & choppy. Thanx.Peace is contagious (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Disruption at Zeitgeist (film series) article

Hi Drmies, as an uninvolved administrator I wanted to ask for your assistance regarding an editor at the above named article (I'll explain why this isn't at ANI shortly). Just to bring you up to date, there is currently a discussion taking place regarding a part of the lede here [3] -- Instead of participating and working towards consensus, user: Earl King Jr. went ahead and changed the lede. This may seem like a bold edit but if you've followed the article for awhile you would understand otherwise. To demonstrate the disruption taking place here, I looked at the source he provided and it doesn't support any of the changes he made; the lede is now subsequently filled with tags. Now one could just chalk this up to inexperience but that doesn't wash because Earl has been here a long time and clearly knows better. Regarding ANI, here are 3 brought against him and I saw a fourth: [4] [5] [6]. If this were a high visibility article this type of behavior would have been addressed a long time ago by the community, but unfortunately that isn't the case. As you can imagine it's been a very frustrating experience and as a long term editor I prefer to spend my time elsewhere. If you don't have the available time to investigate this, I ask that you please advise me otherwise. Thank you in advance, Somedifferentstuff (talk) 10:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The disruption continues. The user has now removed all of the tags [7] without fixing the problems. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

And more disruption: [8] -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 11:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Somedifferentstuff, there are so many editors involved in that article, with a thousand edits a day--can't this be solved on the talk page? To prove disruption for the last edit, for instance, you'd have to establish that the intermediary edits were valid and had some support. I don't mind looking a bit more, but I don't see much on the talk page that is helpful. And what is this, another Landmark-like case? Drmies (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Assistance

No stress now, no "lousy" PSV'ers or F'ers, just good 'ole Dominic Foley, four favours if you please:

1 - please translate refs #12 and #13;
2 - after that, please see if the refs are in any way reflected by the phrasing that accompanies them (if, in any way, it is reflected that he was a great goalscorer for Gent - if I'm not mistaken (I must be!), I think source #13 has him having scored eight times in nine matches - then refs are OK and encyclopedical I guess);
3 - can you find a reference that has him as captain for Gent? I browsed the Dutch-speaking web, found nothing;
4 - if the last bit of storyline, the transfer controversies, is in no way reflected by the joint-refs (#19 and #20), please do remove/compose, don't want to harm Mr. Foley's reputation in any way (even though I did not write that bit in any way, I just felt it was a very important part of his career and that is thus belonged in the article, provided it is TRUE/ref'd).

Kind regards, thanks very much in advance --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

1 is done; ref 13 does indeed say that he scored 8 times in 9 matches. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much kind TPS, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 11:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks "adouble", saúde! So, do you think you can find a Dutch-speaking ref where it says that Foley was Gent's captain at that given time (I wager "käpitan" is the word, or not? If not, damn you Google Translator :)) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure thing. The word you're almost at is "kapitän", which is German for "captain"--in the naval sense. The Dutch word you're looking for is "aanvoerder". Here's a note. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Duly retrieved to article. Peace! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanx 4 ur patience

I'm more of a casual user, if I catch a rerun, I try to add trivia & detail, there happened tyo be a BCSaul marathon the day my problems started for that page...unfortunately I was adding the detail in the wrong place. I'm also not sure of alot of the technical html? ...bc I didn't think it was all that important, I like writing, but now I"m forced to learn it. Thanx ! Peace is contagious (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

ChildofMidnight sockpuppet?

Hi. You've tracked down sockpuppets of User:ChildofMidnight before, so wondered what you thought of the edits of AlphaJotaZed, who has been rapidly creating very short, mildly promotional articles about junk food in Florida, similar redirects, etc. Thanks, Dai Pritchard (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

• Interesting thought. Note the overlap with Candleabracadabra on George Snow Hill--it's not much yet, but it fits a pattern. Then again, if Chattaway can be deleted the normal way (strikes me as indeed promotional), and if there is none of the immense assholishness we're all so familiar with... Kelapstick? Coffee? Drmies (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  • If I get to an actual computer I will have a look. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 19:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Definitely the same person... I've blocked the sock account indefinitely, and re-blocked ChildofMidnight for another year. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 01:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Thanks Coffee, and thanks Dai Pritchard. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hm. Lord knows I was no CoM fan, and had a fair bit of a hand in his departure, but the contribs of this "AlphaJotaZed" account seem to be above-board. No edits to project-space, no political BLPs. Why not just let em putter along creating articles? Tarc (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

• That's a fair question, Tarc--as you may know, I have never objected to CoM's return as long as it's a drama-free return. If necessary a topic ban on American politics (and/or Floridian restaurants, Jimbo's talk page, whatever) can be added. But I think that CoM was always too proud to accept that, and he didn't make any friends by being such an asshole when he was called Candleabracadabra (just ask Viriditas). In the meantime, though, what we have is a prolific sock master who has been plenty disruptive in the past, and whose socks establish themselves in all kinds of positive ways and then just seem to explode into incivility, passive-aggressiveness, and whining. (CoM, if you're reading this, I'm sure you appreciate I call em as I see em.) But, I repeat, I would rather have an editor like CoM on board, openly, than socking. CoM has done Wikipedia a lot of good. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

• Actually - I kinda liked CoM in the original form. And to be honest, it took me a while to put aside some things and appreciate the good work that Tarc does. There were times I would have liked to smack both of them, put the two of them in a room, and tell them not to come out until they could get along. Sigh .. the memories. Long live Bacon. :-) — Ched :  ?  09:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is that horrible guy again...

... with a polite request.

A colleague just moved restaurant De Zwethheul to Aan de Zweth. Unfortunately, that was incorrect. "Aan de Zweth" is a new restaurant albeit on the location of the former De Zwethheul. But I am unable to move the restaurant back to where it belongs. Please, pretty please? The Banner talk 20:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

• Is the new restaurant notable? I don't see it. Gruesome Gary, it seems to me you were a bit too quick on the draw. If there's anything to respond to, please do so on the article talk page. For now, I'm going to move the article back and delete Aan de Zweth, no redirect, since the new restaurant does not appear to me to be notable. If it is, you can restore/recreate it, but I suppose it will need new references for new content on this new restaurant. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
  • The new restaurant started after 8 January 2015 with "a young talented chef" and a new crew. Not too many Google hits, but a promising guy who worked in well known restaurants. Someone for the future.
  • As soon as he has his Michelin star, we squeeze a load of money out of the Foundation and start checking the sources that they cook excellent there! The Banner talk 02:58, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Peace is contagious

Drmies, would you mind dropping by our friend PIC's contribution page and the article for Better Call Saul? He's begun edit warring again, is not responding to consensus or editor feedback and is back hacking up summaries to suit his own indecipherable set of rules. Thanks! --Drmargi (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Yup, he has also been ignoring your final TPO warning by further sabotaging his talk page, and arrogantly dismissing editors with comments like this one: [9]. Besides, he appears to have been indefinitely blocked in the past for legal threats (I'm not even sure what that means). He has been on a disruptive binge for years now. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 02:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I see no "sabotage" in these edits. EauZenetc., if you're calling for an indefinite block based on that claim you are totally barking up the wrong tree. It makes me want to warn you for making false accusations. Drmargi, as triggerhappy as I am, I'm not going to indef the editor for that edit because, as far as I can see, they're not edit warring (they're not reverting--this is in a different section). I also don't see the incompetence we saw earlier (grammatically, for instance). Now, I agree the talk page discussion suggests they are editing against consensus. At the same time, you all do appear to be ganging up, and this is aggravated by this rather phony "sabotage" claim and some irrelevant commentary pertaining to events from long ago. I will block the editor again, but again not yet indefinitely: Drmargi, you've been around the block here; I hope you will understand why in these circumstances I am hesitant to block indefinitely at this point. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: I was referring to removals of some 1,500 characters at a time. Obviously, I wasn't calling for an indef block based on the edit you linked to, I am still calling for an indef block because I see an editor who appears to enjoy exhausting the rest of us with childish games. I am unsure why you would turn this against me. Then again, maybe I am seeing this all wrong. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 04:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I think I explained well enough what I thought was troubling. But while we're on the topic of careful writing, your "this" in your third sentence has no clear antecedent, and what I'm "turning against you" is your own set of accusations. I really resent it when someone with a couple hundred edits goes around making false (or at least inflated accusations) trying to get someone blocked. In the meantime you may have noticed that I did block that editor, and gave a pretty detailed explanation, so you're welcome. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'm a lousy noob who cannot even write properly. Please forgive the imperfections you may find in my writing, as English is only a third language to me. From now on, I will let the other editors vent their frustrations with you, because apparently I haven't earned my rights here yet. Forgive the sarcasm but your remark was actually offensive. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 04:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

You can imagine all the insults you like, and you can play the victim in any language you choose. But if you're accusing someone (by now you've accused Peace is contagious as well as me of inappropriate behavior), you should choose your words very carefully. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

And this was not OK. Drmies (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Drmies, in response to you comments above, thank you for your speedy attention to PIC, which was badly needed to head off a second round of the edit warring and accompanying issues that lead to PIC's first block. That said, please don't tar me with the same brush as Eau. If you'll glance at my comments here and on PIC's talk page again, you'll see I wasn't looking for any particular action beyond your looking in on the situation, and had no particular expectations for what you might do. I've tried to take the most moderate and lowest key action possible. It's Eau who wants the indef; I've never stated an opinion as to what action should be taken beyond the language already on the templates. In fact, I was attempting to step away from the whole situation for the most part, as my edit history should show you. That said, I felt it was time to drop a note on your talk page when I saw three things of concern: a. PIC's response] to Cyphoidbomb's comments on his talk page, regarding an admin's opinion; b. the attempt at a discussion (good) v. editing over consensus (problem) that had begun at BCS; and; c. Eau's potentially inflammatory posting a couple places, and knew it was time to get some help. I left a post on Eau's talk page suggesting his post-block comments were reading, at least to me, as though he was taunting PIC; I'm concerned Eau may be becoming almost as big a problem (albeit of a different sort) as PIC if he doesn't adopt a more moderate tone, as evidenced by his comments above, and hoped to head him off before he inflamed the situation. Meanwhile PIC's actions of the 24 hours or so prior to your block indicated he was ratcheting up again, and something had to be done before it got ugly once more. So I came and got you, and asked you to take a look. That's all.

That said, I do have to disagree that we're "ganging up" on PIC. Drovethrughosts, Cyphoidbomb and I have tried to deal with him in a reasonable manner throughout this mess, and particularly since he came off the first block, which has gotten us nowhere. We all have variations on the same issues with PIC: that this is not an editor writing an encyclopedia or who really understands what we're here to do (in general) and that there are notable issues with the versions of the episode summaries that he's writing (style over substance, poor writing, lack of clarity, interpretive language, and more) that means we feel reverting wholesale changes to summaries without consensus is the appropriate course of action. Drovethru was pretty reasonable the last time around; PIC is capable of some good editing (as I've noted all along) and Drovethru left those edits alone. I didn't step in until a genuinely problematic edit summary was reverted in for I think the third time, and it was clear the war was on again. I immediately left a warning for PIC then having seen what he'd written on his talk page regarding an admin, came to get your help. I'm an academic, and I teach writing routinely; consequently I have real issues with the clarity, cohesion, thoroughness, choice of vocabulary and accuracy of the writing in those edit summaries. PIC appears to be creating a new "template" if you will for edit summaries that's about some sort of thematic analysis versus what they should be: a clear, concise and informative summation of the events of the episode. His priorities (minor details over critical events) are not compatible with MOS:TV and what an edit summary should be in the view of the community. His editing seems pointy, and he takes and "I'm right, they're wrong" stance based on his reading of policy. Moreover, rather than attempting to work with us, he largely seems determined to find a way to do what he wants, at least based on my reading of some recent comments. That was enough to justify the one revert I made. Frankly, I thought I was pretty doggoned restrained under the circumstances.

Hopefully, this block will give PIC enough time to decide another article might be the best place to focus his efforts, or that he will decide that collaboration on BCS is the way forward. The season is over, and interest will wain. That's a good thing, I hope. --Drmargi (talk) 13:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Drmargi, I hope you saw that my problem wasn't really with you. I don't disagree with your assessments either--but I hate it when editors are trying backhanded ways to get someone blocked. No admin in their right mind would block indefinitely for minor violations to TPO. If it hadn't been for the talk page discussion it would have been somewhat difficult anyway to establish the behavior was disruptive since it wasn't a clear-cut case of edit warring. This is why I am a big fan of the talk page discussion, where consensus can be reached which , consequently, can lead to a valid charge of disruption and editing against consensus.

What editors like the one above seem to forget is that you're asking a favor of an admin, in a kind of personal manner (here, on my talk page), and that's fine if it's a reasonable request couched in reasonable terms, as you did. If it's done as if somehow I owe it to someone to slap indefinite blocks around for totally minor infractions, yeah, no one likes that, me least of all. My time on WP is somewhat limited and I have little patience for bullshit. If the editor had taken that specific complaint ("sabotage") to ANI they would have been laughed out of court--instead, I get all this piss and vinegar on my beautiful talk page.

BTW, that's you and me both: I'm getting ready to teach Business and Professional writing this summer (Searles being my textbook of choice). I saw plenty of problems with Peace's summaries, but that's a content matter, and I saw problems with the other versions as well. Admins can't go around blocking for that, as you well know. Peace is headed for an indefinite block, but I always prefer it if that path is clear, without misleading talk about minor matters. Hey, perhaps you should consider running for admin! Drmies (talk) 14:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

One more thing, Drmargi: when I said that the editor was not really edit warring because they hadn't reverted, I wasn't saying that you were edit warring because you did revert. Just wanted to make that clear: I have no complaints about you, and you have been plenty restrained. Drmies (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, gosh. Sorry if I over-reacted, and did see you didn't have a problem with me, yes. This has been a touchy situation between PIC, Eau and the difficulty getting help from anyone on ANI. I can see how it all hit a nerve in retrospect, but wanted to be sure you knew I just wanted to give you a heads up before things got out of hand again. I do think the block was a wise decision, though, solely because of the escalation on BCS again. We can but hope it will have more of an effect this time, although I'm not optimistic. That said, I do agree he's probably not at the indef stage yet, although he's sure headed that way if he doesn't make better editorial choices pretty durned quick! I just left Eau a message about the difference between the what and the how of his actions, hoping he'll understand my issue isn't what he's doing with PIC, but that how he's doing it, and how he's dealt with you, aren't helping. He seems to think I've thrown him under some metaphorical bus (ah, the joys of the cliche). That's a shame, because his heart is in the right place, but his execution is rapidly going off the rails, and he's going to find himself in an admin's sights, too.

I teach writing for teachers in preparation, which means I have to be anal in the extreme. Trying to get undergraduates to think of themselves as models of good writing, and about the detail work in their writing is such a pain, especially when I have to evaluate every piece they do as though I was a parent receiving it from my child's teacher. It gets trying, and I'm sure lessens my tolerance for the kind of nonsensical writing we get from PIC (and that's without considering the horrors of his talk page.) And I did understand you didn't think I was edit warring, but it did sound as though you thought I was asking for a block, which concerned me. As for me running for admin, I'm not made of stern enough stuff to go through the process, and my work isn't broad or deep enough to satisfy the requirements. I'm a casual editor at best, and that's probably best given the time I have to devote to the place. But thank you for the compliments. No one has ever said that before, and it made me smile. --Drmargi (talk) 23:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• Just for the record: this edit here - [10] - was not taunting at all, but rather a commentary on PIC's taunting of another editor with irrelevant and offensive remarks about Judaism and Atheism. About what you "owe" - all I was asking was for an admin to do the right thing for Wikipedia's sake. This is not about "backhanded ways", this is not about me "demanding" something for myself - this is me, trying to do the right thing. I obviously don't know my way around noticeboards like ANI too well, and you're the only admin I've encountered so far. I was hoping you would show me the ropes, like one would reasonably expect from a "responsible adult". Instead, you slammed me time and time again - why? Because you saw it as me trying to "tell you what to do", and "how dare I"? I am seriously confused right now, and will use this opportunity to ask for help once more. I hope that, out of your own free choice, you will decide to extend your hand to me because I never intended for this situation to escalate to such ridiculous proportions. Thank you in advance. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 14:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• OK. That comment was in response to an old comment, which because of the editor's strange talk page behavior (there's a different between "strange" and "wrong", of course) is pulled out of context anyway. What's the point of commenting on it? Besides, you're accusing the editor of having "problems"--that could count as a personal attack, since--in principle--it's no better than Peace's taunting. Maybe you're frustrated, maybe you're angry that things aren't going fast enough etc., but that's just the nature of the beast. And let's remind ourselves that Peace most likely thinks that they're also doing "the right thing" for Wikipedia, and that "right" and "wrong" really don't apply in a case like this: "with" or "against consensus" are more applicable. Someone else here said that if we had to block everyone who acts like a dick, only me and Bbb23 would be left. OK, they didn't say that, but they could have.

  As I've said again and again, one of my problems was with your characterization of the editor's talk page behavior as "sabotage", which means a deliberate attempt to disrupt--you don't need knowledge of Wikipedia's guidelines for that: all you need is a dictionary. As for slamming you time and time again: I disagree with that characterization--I feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over again because you weren't listening. I'm perfectly happy to drop it, but if you keep coming back for more, yeah. I have no intention of making your life difficult, and I got nothing against you, and I can work with just about everyone, but you seem a bit overeager to me in your characterization of the other editor. As an admin, I can't be overeager when it comes to things like indefinite blocks: I need good reasons and solid evidence, produced for the right reasons, and presented neutrally and dispassionately. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

More award shenanigans

SuperHamster here again with another episode of pseudo game awards. 149.151.77.226 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) continues to be active with adding fake nominations, most recently to 2015 MTV Movie Awards. Could a block be in order? Maybe page protection, but they've only managed to edit the page twice and other IPs have contributed positively, so I'd rather not. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, could you close this thread and make the appropriate adjustments to WP:EDR? 100% of responders, including both Catflap and myself, have agreed that an IBAN is desirable. I'm asking you in particular because you're also the moamst qualified to answer User:John Carter's recent questions as to whether Tristan noir's Japanese literature TBAN applies to me as well, and whether EDR's caution to me not to "poke the bear" applies to my interactions with other users as well and I should be generally more careful than the average Wikipediann. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• My dear Hijiri, I think that those questions are best asked on ANI. Also, I am really not interested in perusing your contributions to see if you're poking anyone or not: in all honesty, I probably like you fine, but you write way too many words. You're not the only one, of course--that ANI tread is huge. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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Problem with a closure

Recently I had closed a withdrawn proposal[11] and forgot that I am involved. Although it looks so fixed, no clear agreement for support, mostly opposed and proposal is withdrawn too. Can you approve my closure or close it yourself? While the other discussion shall continue to have its run, it was opened by a different user(Jzg) and issues are different. SamuelDay1 (talk) 01:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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Let it go

I was sort of hoping someone would advise me in a friendly way to let it go, and so I will for a while. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• ...I don't care, what they're going to say..." Drmies (talk) 04:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

[12] Editor can't be convinced that it is not permissible to refactor other users' comments. I know you've got yer own style, but I'm gonna pitch talk page access revocation for the duration of the block. If they're not doing it to get a rise, I'd be surprised. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb, those are his own ramblings he's editing. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm a frickin idiot. Shouldaletitgo. Shouldaletitgo. Shouldaletitgo... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

No worries. Drmies (talk) 23:42, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

"Non-neutral editor"

Drmies, I am trying to remove blatant editor bias from some controversial articles on here. Removal of opinion and bias is not non-neutral, it is the opposite. I don't appreciate the tolerance for bias from some of the editors on here as long as it coincides with their beliefs. Rightly or wrongly Wikipedia is a place where much of the world seeks truth. Regarding IP hopping, I can't help it. Every time I connect I am granted a new IP. I realize this is problematic as far as tracking my edits goes, but there's nothing I can do to maintain a static IP address even if I wanted to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B11E:F5C0:6993:8939:A20A:BD93 (talk) 04:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Of course you can help it: get an account. But you're seriously edit warring on the one article, so my blocking that one IP, while useless, was warranted, and so was my protecting both articles. Now, you have a choice: you can keep editing articles, different articles, and I'll semi-protect them when I see them. This is a game that sometimes you'll win, and sometimes I'll win, at least in the short term; in the long term, you lose since your edits will be reverted on sight. Or you can go see the talk page and at least pretend to present an argument and win other editors for you, which is the way things ought to be done. Good luck, and thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I just might get an account. I agree that the ban was warranted since I was edit-warring. As far as using the talk page, it doesn't seem to matter because certain editors or groups of editors have more or less claimed ownership of certain controversial pages and decided to ignore what the majority of people argue for on the talk pages. On the 'IQ and the Wealth Of Nations' page the editor WeijiBaikeBianji said "There are plenty of policy-based reasons for not displaying the table. See article talk page." Another editor claimed that the map was "non-encyclopedic content", whatever that means. I viewed the talk page and virtually all of the comments about whether or not to show the map are in favor of showing it arguing that it is censorship not to show it. I did not see a single "policy-based reason" not to show it. Why is this tolerated? Is there a Wikipedia-wide policy that I'm not aware of to sanitize content that may not be politically correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B11E:F5C0:6993:8939:A20A:BD93 (talk) 05:04, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I see the "average IQ value" for Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino and Vatican City is above 105 (but not Andorra, for some strange reason- must be all that duty-free booze). The education system in Senegal must be top-notch. Then there's those two blobs in the Caribbean- apparently two adjacent islands (which I can't identify) are top and bottom of the IQ range. Did you know Canadians are slightly more intelligent than Americans? And Norwegians are brighter than Swedes? (Sorry Hafs). Based on "estimates by Lynn and Vanhanen". Hmmm… Lynn's based in NI, which probably explains why it's coloured ten points higher than Ireland. These estimated figures are "averages", which implies that half the population of (for example) South Africa are "moderately impaired or delayed" (Stanford-Binet), since their IQ is supposedly below 65. The map is rubbish. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Whether or not the map is "rubbish" isn't necessarily relevant. The Wikipedia page is about a book by two university professors, and the map was contained in that book. As long as the map is presented in the context of being the findings of the set of researchers who authored the book, I don't see a problem with displaying it. Not everybody disputes the findings of the authors and it's not up to Wikipedia to decide which scientific claims are truthful or not, the various arguments for and against their findings should obviously be presented and the reader can make up their own mind. As far as Canadians being smarter than Americans, considering the ethnic mix of America compared to Canada that would comport with the findings of these researchers. Whether or not those findings are correct is certainly debatable, but I don't see the value in censoring how those findings are presented on Wikipedia. Considering that the editor WeijiBaikeBianji has a picture of James Flynn on his page it's pretty clear that he has an unchecked bias in favor of the "Flynn effect" when it comes to editing topics regarding intelligence research. (— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B11E:F5C0:6993:8939:A20A:BD93 (talk) 07:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC))

Misread the scale- the grey areas are "N/A", hence struck-out comments. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I did not judge the content one way or another. Nor do I think you'll gain much traction by using words like "censorship". I'm telling you, it's a fight that in the long run you probably can't win, and the best thing to do is to make it a discussion, on the talk page, not a fight--also, that makes you look good, and you've done quite a bit already here to redeem yourself from being "just" an IP-hopping edit warrior. Well done.

Two things. WP:RFC is the formal process, and RfCs typically attract more attention than regular talk page discussions. Second, don't paint your opponents this way or that already--by doing so you a. make yourself look like the POV warrior they may think you are, and b. you have made them into Eternal Enemies rather than colleagues you might could convince. And a third thing, if you start that RfC, find the talk page for the most relevant WikiProject you can think of and advertise it there, in neutral terms. All this neutral stuff is essential; I frequently close RfCs early, or with "no consensus", because it wasn't neutrally phrased, and I've seen many an RfC devolve into namecalling. Good luck. Xanty, you've not yet said a good thing about the Dutch today, so you're doing dishes today. Drmies (talk) 13:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh well… I hope you put the pans in to soak. I hate scraping off burnt custard. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Burnt grits are almost as bad. So don't worry: I know, and I wouldn't try to make it extra hard on you. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

OCD question

OK, so I know that the i-ban between Hijiri and Catflap was supported by both of them, but I don't necessarily see that you left them messages that the i-ban has been enacted. Maybe it is just OCD on my part, but would it be reasonable to notify both of them of the i-ban on their talk pages or not? John Carter (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oh, right. Yeah, I suppose--I pinged them, and I logged it, but I guess I should notify them too. Which reminds me: I looked at Landmark a few days ago, for quite some time. I looked at the most recent RfC and the attendant edits--it seemed to be on the level, no? Drmies (talk) 00:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @Astynax: probably knows the answer to that better than I do, considering the amount of work he has gone through in researching it, which is, to my eyes, nothing short of amazing. I know from his previous work on the Two by Twos he basically finds just about every source out there on a topic when he deals with it for some time, and it sure looks like that here. The big question still, to my eyes, is about how we divide up the content relating to an entity like this which has gone through multiple name changes resulting in multiple articles, and how to structure those articles in the optimum way. It is worth noting that some of those (several) editors whom others have had COI issues with seem to be less active in editing the article itself, although it also seems to me, having not checked the full history, that there is some possibly tendentious repetitiveness going on at the talk page which isn't going to help matters much, and might be, in the eyes of some, problematic in itself. Maybe. He would know better. John Carter (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Long time... and a favor

Hello, I haven't been following your talk page (much too intellectual for the likes of me). I hope you're well, and everything's good with your family.

Could you please take a look at this? I'm not requesting any admin action, I would just like your professional opinion on the stance I've taken. I trust your judgment (not sure why :)), and if you tell me that I'm wrong, I'll drop the whole thing. Drop me a note on my talk page, or send me an e-mail or whatever, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, BMK (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Hey Beyond My Ken, I have a somewhat professional opinion. I do not think that "male" and "female", used as substantives, are OK. I mean, we're talking about nouns, right? I'm not sure what the stance is you're talking about; if that's in terms of who reverted what how many times etc., I have no opinion since I have not looked at it. But in the context of "camel toe", I don't see why "woman" would be insensitive or sexist or something like that, or why "female" would be better. When my students write those words as substantives in their papers, I tell them that we're not in biology class. Drmies (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I just meant my stance that "woman" was the appropriate word to use in that conetxt, and not "female". Thanks so much for taking a look, I feel better about continuing to toe my line. BMK (talk) 22:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessary comment at ANI

This borders on harassment. Alakzi (talk) 22:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh pshaw. I suggest you learn what "harassment" means, both in the plain-English sense and in terms of WP:HARASSMENT. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 23:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree (not that anybody asked me). There are many words that can be used to describe the words and sentiment used by Drmies in that dif ("spot on" comes to mind), but "harassment" it's not.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

That is nowhere near harassment. That is the artistic way that Drmies encourages people to get back on the straight and narrow, and was entirely appropriate in this case. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:18, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Whether it approaches your conception of harassment is rather besides the point; the comment was uncivil, unseemly and plain unnecessary. The world's not split between good and bad, and right and wrong. Tutelary did not deserve that; nobody does. Drmies is more than capable of articulating whatever point he wants to make nicely. Alakzi (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who you are, Alakzi, but hey, nice to meet you and thank you for stopping by. Now, if you please, look at the merits of the complaint. "Shit-stirring" is putting it rather diplomatically, I think. It's shitty, shitty ANI complaints like that, and the attendant drama created by people who don't seem to have much better to do, that drives people off the project. (That argument has been used before to bitch about other editors, but in that case there was no proof.) Also, have a nice day. [[WP:CIVIL|nobody does]]: pfff. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I can empathise with that - I still don't agree with your delivery, but there's no point in my harping on about it. Take care. Alakzi (talk) 00:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Alakzi, I can't tell you how disappointed I am when people start threads like that, whose only possible goal can be to get people in trouble and whose only possible outcome is more drama. The decision was fine, and it was argued with in the wrong place. None of it was any help to RGloucester who, and I speak from experience, has a habit of serious troublement. BTW, I'm not kidding about what drives editors away. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I also said recently "Nice to meet you" to Alakzi, a great helper. - Anybody to translate Gerechtigkeitsspirale to more languages, about what is in great need etc? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

see also - and justice made it to the stats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Desautels Edits

The majority of my edits are not "promotional" info. Also, the edits and layout of the page is consistent with other business school pages such as Sauder School of Business — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.194.131 (talk) 02:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Ha, "majority". You're a COI editor and your edits are unacceptable. You think it's OK to source awards and honors to the university itself, so clearly you don't know how this is supposed to be done. Thank you Amaury. Drmies (talk) 03:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: You're welcome! :) - Amaury (talk) 03:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Amaury, look at my recent edits--what's going on in these Canadian business schools is totally off the charts. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: They'll never learn. - Amaury (talk) 03:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps the IP is one of the new returning editors I just welcomed, Amaury. It seems that we have, as the Dutch put it, thrown a club into the henhouse, which is just fine with me. The IP was right about one thing: it's happening all over the place, esp., I suppose, in these articles for business schools, which I've not looked at many times before. The main articles on the big (land-grant) universities are mostly in line with policy, but these...well, whaddayaknow, there's money and prestige at stake. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Worth it?

I'm in the process of creating and then filing a report at AN/I on an editor we previously discussed here [13]. Is it worth it or should I just let it go? I truly, deeply, and vehemently hate the drama such reports create. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

This is the edit that sent me "over the edge" [14]. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'll have a look. Pity I just started helping out by cleaning up this horrible article, which makes me invoooolved, and I won't take action unilaterally. If I were you I'd let it go, but let me have a look. Drmies (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• OK, I don't know. Maybe this should be up at ANI again. Oh, so that is MaranoFan, with that horrible signature? Is that even within guidelines? "No Stalking Allowed"? I don't see why they're still allowed to edit here. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is MaranoFan with the horrible new sig. Add to the above that he's now going to every article I've recently edited and also editing (where he's never edited those articles previously - just letting me know he's watching, I guess), spent yesterday calling me a liar, today has referred to me as a troll, and then the above edit at the project/Musicians talk page... it's not maddening, doesn't even really make me mad, but it's a continuation of bad behavior and lack of editing productively that just. doesn't. seem. to. stop. Ugh. I really dislike coming off as a whiner. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Interestingly, he just filed this [15]. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

And he's now canvassing in regard to it: [16], [17], [18], [19]. After all the AN/I and AN reports in regard to him, the blocks, the complaints, the warnings, et al... I don't think he can claim ignorance of policy regarding his violations any longer. At this point it just seems to be a clear act of thumbing his nose (or flipping the bird) at editors, admins, and policy. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Amazingly, he just reverted your reversion at WikiProject Musicians: [20]. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I am done with worrying over the above and am now off to stare deeply into the eyes of the magical kitten you left at my talk page. Have a great day. :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'm not so much worried, more irritated at this continued intransigence. Is it naptime yet? Drmies (talk) 17:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Meghan Trainor

No matter, how bad faith your edit summaries are. You are doing the article a big favour. Than you so much. It failed GA today. Hopefully, we can both get it up to par again. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 16:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

• Not bad faith: honest. This article has had so many edits, there is so much material there, but it's not well organized and there is no criterion for inclusion (of facts, statements, etc.) besides "it's verified so we'll include it". In addition, it's not very neutral... I wish you would take the things between you and Winkelvi less personally: I'm on Winkelvi's side here because I think he is more disinterested, more concerned with the encyclopedia, and I think that you are too much a drama seeker, more concerned with factoids and positive reviews. I am really, really hoping that you will prove me wrong; I'm not sure you realize how close you came to be being banned or topic-banned. Still, MaranoFan, I appreciate your note; editors who communicate are less likely to be kicked to the curb than editors who don't. And I'm all about accepting good faith.

  Listen, it's the end of the semester. I've looked at tons of drafts and articles, high school and college level. I know good writing when I see it, and the Trainor article is still not good writing. The thing to do is to improve it, and I think I've given some examples of how sections can be improved. But it can't be improved if nothing is cut or reorganized, if no topic sentences are written, if... Drmies (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

• Look, this doesn't help. This is what these tags are for. Now you're just rubbing me the wrong way. Drmies (talk) 17:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry about it. I did not read the para before that edit. Hey, have you considered WP:GOCE :) ??? All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 17:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

MaranoFan, I'm feeling like I'm talking to two different persons, from one moment to the next. Now go improve that paragraph by writing a topic sentence that states the point in general terms, so that cohesion can be achieved. I'm done for now, though it's kind of addictive. If you want to show some good faith, go through and remove all these "publisher" fields, and see what SNUGGUMS had to say. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Business School Pages on Wikipedia

I've been looking through US business school pages on Wikipedia and making some edits, but alot of them are REALLY bad and full of promotional-like and fluffy text (it seems to happen mainly at higher ranked schools). I've made some edits, but alot of them need alot of rework and cutting. I'd recommend going through them if you have the time (just going down the articles of USNews top ranked business school list would be a good place to start).142.157.194.131 (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• If we had world enough and time... Again, though, I was shocked to see what I saw, after you pointed it out. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Wickles pickles selection.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Wickles pickles selection.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you object to the listing for any reason. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Ah, Sfan got one of your pics! Try a fair use tag on the description page. Here's an example of one I did for a Flickr image. You should be able to modify to fit the pickle jars. I would hate to lose them! Cheers Geoff ^{Who, me?} 18:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
    • To illustrate the distinctive and well-known appearance of a type of ice cream treat. Pickles are ice cream? I mean, I know they're both good fried... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Copy-paste in haste, repent at leisure. Fixed the ice cream reference and cleaned up some formatting. Hopefully the rationale is rational enough for Sfan and friends. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 21:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
        • Thanks. WK, again you're too clever for me, unmasking my ruse. Geoff, at least you got the joke: I'm breaking the rules to avoid breaking the rules. Drmies (talk) 23:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you can pull this one from the crapper

[21] EEng (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a heads up!

You are not to edit my userspace under any circumstances. I don't need to provide reasons. I do something wrong?, let someone else talk to me. Are we clear?? All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 17:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks! Wait--more emphatic: thanks!! Drmies (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Run for the hills

In case you haven't been watching this hole-digging. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:07, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

• Well, you know. It's like teaching Freshman Comp here sometimes. Only you don't get paid for it, and no one brings you a mug and a ziplock bag of homemade hot chocolate mix at Christmas. Drmies (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

• Whatever happened to a shiny Red Delicious apple? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Here we go again

In the spirit of regurgitation, this same type of situation is happening again (from your talk page archive, April 10, 2015) [22]. Same editor, same following me to articles he's never edited before, same dancing around discussion, same personal attacks, same discussing editors rather than edits. In short, the same BS over and over again. For weeks, he's been showing up at noticeboards where I have left comments or a !vote and then !votes and comments the complete opposite (you've already seen it happen at the Meghan Trainor-related articles). Since the last "comment" you left for him a couple of weeks ago where you essentially told him to leave me alone, he's done just that. Until today. Then this occurred at the Simon Collins article [23]; reverting what I had edited but calling it "copyedit[ing]". I responded here [24] - he responded with this [25]; then this [26]; and this [27]; and this [28]; and this [29]. The problem with what he kept re-adding is that it is content removed because it no longer applied to the section it had been contained within. After the sections were re-named, there really was no place to put it (it is really trivia in nature to begin with, but more importantly, has no relevance via context or examples). But, let's get to the heart of it all: good-faith be damned, this editor is only trying to drive me nuts, I'm certain of it. He's hounding my edits, and has been little by little for quite a while now. He reverts edits I make, he leaves insults and personal attacks, he's worked at trying to get me blocked (as I stated when I came to you before about him). That, in conjunction with MaranoFan/All About That Bass doing the same -- it's really just so NOT what Wikipedia is supposed to be like or about.

As far as the Collins article talk page: I went there in the spirit of BRD and posted this: "The content doesn't belong in the early life section, yet you are edit warring over inappropriately placed content and disruptively revert it back in? Why? Cited or not, it's in the wrong place. Continuing to put it back in is plainly disruptive and does nothing to improve the article." [30]

Rather than actually discussing or answering my questions, he responds with this: "Gee Winkelvi your responses to matters are somewhat predictable. Why don't you comment on the reason that was listed here for why the cited and referenced information is relevant to Collin's music rather than try to stir up drama as is your usual modus operandi. I note than rather than come to the talk page, you were more interested in edit warring than coming here to comment on the issue at hand. That is clearly evidenced by your comment on the talk page which was. "The content doesn't belong in the early life section" then drama drama drama, edit war edit war edit war, blah, blah, blah... Please stick to commenting on the content and not your apparent hatred toward the editor. Cheers! WordSeventeen" [31] I responded again [32]; he responded but did not answer the questions I asked nor did he ever attempt to discuss [33]. What did he do? He started an RfC. [34]. Rather than discussing, an RfC? This guy is dancing around and playing games. It's a joke to him. He's not about improving an article or and encyclopedia, he's about winning and beating me down and being disruptive while signing all of his comments with "Cheers!". I'm sick of it and really, really don't know what to do or where to go from here. He's going to keep doing this no matter what I say or do or how much I try to ignore him. The drama exhausts and sickens me, to be honest. I'm sorry to litter up your talk page with all of this crap, but I'm really at the end of my rope. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• OK. I'm less interested in the ins and outs of the exchange than I am in the evidence of hounding. Feel free to point out some articles where it is clear they followed you. Drmies (talk) 03:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it was a lot to ask you to look at, but every admin seems to be different with what they want/need evidence-wise, I decided to err on the side of too much information. Here's what I have gathered:

• Patsy Presley [35]
• AfD for Patsy Presley [36]
• AfD for Ed Giecek (now deleted, he followed me there, as well) [37]
• Taylor Swift [38]
• Walter O'Brien [39]
• Johnny Kemp [40]
• AfD That Bass Tour [41]
• Autumn Jackson [42]
• Mary French Rockefeller [43]
• Robert Hastings Hunkins [44]
• Max Jungling [45]
• Sir John Wright [46]
• Adam Hawkes [47]
• Roscoe R. Koch [48]
• Geeks OUT [49]
• Ethel Hatch [50]
• Deborah Yeungling Ferhat [51]

There are more, and several more at AfDs that have since been archived where he followed me, but I think this list gives a good start. Not to mention that when you look at the page editing histories, it all adds up to more instances than articles. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

FYI Editor Interaction Analyzer. -- PBS (talk) 00:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks PBS. That's science. And I get your point--Winkelvi, you also should avoid the impression that you're etc. It may well be that you're no longer active in articles which they got to first, and I hope that it's the same the other way around. But, PBS, if you leave Kbabej out of it (and why not?), Winkelvi is almost completely blue, except for three or four times, and that's science too... Drmies (talk) 04:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps an IBAN (one-way or bi-directional) might suggest itself; voluntary or involuntary. If WordSeventeen wants to report that Winkelvi is henceforth editing Kbabej articles, there are avenues for that, and stalking isn't one of them; in fact they should both possibly stay away from Kbabej articles. Softlavender (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

FYI see here. -- PBS (talk) 09:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• PBS, thank you very much. Winkelvi, you may owe PBS some pastries or a good bottle of rose: PBS may speak sternly, but all this seems very fair to me. Drmies (talk) 15:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Big Thanks

Very new to Wikipedia editing. I mean NEW, lol. Thank you for revising my work on Tempo (rapper). Just wanted to add more information to a artist that needs more exposure and having a well written Wiki page is a start. Thank you again. Fatmexican1990 (talk) 04:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Something is going on in Tempo (rapper)page. First 2 albums' "links" are not working properly. They are redirecting to some weird page. Please help if possible. I only expanded the page to include more relevant info and included links. Fatmexican1990 (talk) 05:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'm on it--it was a double redirect. Fatmexican1990 (I don't like calling someone "Fat Mexican", but hey, you picked it), those albums aren't notable (yet) given WP:NALBUMS--if you want them up, they'll need reviews from reliable sources etc. There were allmusic links in the previous versions but that doesn't cut it--those aren't links to album reviews anyway, but to the general article on the artist. Thanks, and let me know if I can help. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of rappers ...

Speaking of rappers, could we get some eyes/attention/help/decisions on Calligraphist (artist)? It's been in what the film industry would call "development hell" for a while. Not knowing what to do with it, I nommed it for AfD a couple weeks back. I have since listened to one of his raps and I quite like it. Could "the community" (as we Wikipedians fondly call each other) come together and help out one way or another? Yours, Softlavender (talk) 05:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• You're quite the liberal, aren't you. "Blaze a Dutch"? 'Tis a bit mellow for me--on the same topic I prefer this, apparently co-written with Jello Biafra. And I'm a bit disappointed in this. Anyway, Dougweller and Coffee are my go-to guys for rap, my "posse" if you like, with Blackmetalbaz doing security (the nine in the small of his back). I could lie and close that AfD as "no consensus". Or we could...well, wait until he gets his record deal and is all over Vibe and has a feud with MC this or that, and I'll restore the content and you take it from there. Personally, I think TOO SOON is accurate, and I didn't find anything that I could add to make a case for notability. I do appreciate you trying. Wait! We could ask MC Cunard, a master of the dispossessed, and patron saint of the lost causes, if they can spend some time, maybe to spin a rhyme and to get Calligraphion out of oblivion, and save the words, not put them in a hearse, to keep him out on the floor, with a foot in the door of Wikipedia, keeping it real in the media. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• La vie n'est qu'un moment. Fôlon, é té nyinika. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• My dear Mies: Ugh -- I hate death metal / black metal (apologies to Blackmetalbaz). My last bf, who was a Geordie in his 20s (yes, OK it was mainly a LDR but still), was way into that and I had my fill. For the record, although "blaze a Dutch" is quite mild for a rap, that second part of that YouTube is by Diabolic, not Calligraphist. (And lest my name be tarnished, I have only ever taken one toke from a joint -- when I was drunk [also rare for me] at an office party in my 20s -- however unlike Bill Clinton I did inhale.) Agree on that second YouTube posting you linked; it's a bit trying-too-hard. On the one I posted, I'm mainly impressed by the poetry and by the fact that he performs it very well, no sense that English is not his mother tongue -- very impressive. Rarely (meaning never) hear hiphop here; its not on the local radio stations and of those very slender choices the only ones I listen to are the HPR classical-music station and the local Hawaiian-music station. Anyway, I'm not fit to judge whether the article should go or stay, but just want eyes on it to make informed decisions so the AfD does not linger into the next century. If it's going to stay, the first step should be to re-title it Calligraphist (rapper), y'all. Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 02:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC) PS: Don't quit your day job. ;-)
  • Oh COME ON, that's totally groove metal/trash metal!!! Well, he certainly has a way with words and it is true, he's remarkably not sounding like a foreigner at all. Yeah, I can't really help here--occasionally I can find some stuff for a Dutch artist, but I have no insight into the sources and don't know where to look. You can search for Wikipedians by language... As for weed, I had some recently, or at least I tried to, but it was one of those electronic inhaling machines, and I was coughing for the next 30 minutes. I used to be totally cool, but this was embarrassing. But Alabama might be legalizing medical Mary Jane, so I think I'm *ouch* developing some *ouch* chronic pains here and there... Drmies (talk) 02:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Wait--DUKE? Woohoo! See, I loved you before I knew you. Anywayz, there's a lot of them. I'll start at the back. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Don't need to go to any great trouble if you don't want to ... I have not been interested enough to do that (although I did post on the two relevant [ghost town] WikiProjects). I'd just like to see at least one more (hopefully knowledgeable) !vote on the AfD, so that It could be closed eventually. Yes, it would help if some Bulgarian speakers could do some research to see how notable he is there or in that language, because not much comes up on Google in English [52]. Can't say I'm going to join your effort to contact the Bulgarians -- too time-consuming, too lazy, takes me too long; just thought I'd put this on your TP for extra eyeballs. Thanks dawg, Softlavender (talk) 03:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

It occurred to me that whoever started that AfD might well drag me to ANI for canvassing... Drmies (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I started the AfD. Turn off the Spurs game, man! We're not canvassing, we're getting objective research/opinions in the relevant language. *sigh* Softlavender (talk) 04:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hm, Bulgaria has rappers? Nope, doesn't ring a bell. We do indeed need a Bulgarian Wikipedian. I wonder if there are any Bulgarian functionaries. Dougweller (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• I see there's enough of the Bulgars to start a beef war. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:29, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Careful of those, er, back and forward-shooting diss tracks! Softlavender (talk) 18:30, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I get a quick DUCK block?

Royalmate1 has created several sock puppets since his block; Royalmate2 and Royalmate3 are among them, and you can look at their user pages and talk pages to see a lot of evidence. Royalmate4 recently created an account and has done the typical; an infinite number of user boxes including the WikiProject on Ignosticism that pretty much only he's a part of and one that states that he's been editing since 2007. Could you block per DUCK? Thanks, Origamite^ⓣⓒ 21:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

• I see that Zzuuzz is on the case. Ignosticism--what will they think of next! And it kind of defeats itself--if one doesn't care, why bother inventing a term for it? It's kind of like posting empty Facebook messages and then deliberately not liking your own empty comment. Drmies (talk) 21:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mighty Morphin Army Ranger (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• If you play your cards right you can be indefinitely blocked before the end of the Spurs game. The fourth quarter is about to start. Drmies (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
• And please don't refer to me as a "guy"--we haven't been introduced, and one shouldn't presume. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Someone forgot to tell LA when the game was, I think they're still asleep at the hotel. Tarc (talk) 03:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
    • It's a bit disappointing after that thriller the other night. But that was late--I fell asleep during the last minute of overtime. I like it though, the old guys still playing so well. BTW, the Spurs' average age must be down compared to the last few years. And I love how Popovich answers those stupid, stupid questions. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Calligraphist

Sorry, I wasn't able to help with Calligraphist (artist). I don't think there are sources available to establish him as a notable rapper. The competition he won was a contest run by two particular rappers to find "the next big thing" who would then appear on Kool G Rap's next album. But we don't cover the next big thing, so I had to !vote delete. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing the article Calligraphist (artist) to my attention! I am not too familiar with the rap scene (in Bulgaria or in general), but will make sure to look for extra sources that could establish notability. I am getting the impression that he may be a borderline case with regard to the Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. Oleg Morgan (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• WikiDan61, I appreciate your help and your note; Oleg, I think you are correct, but it was worth a try anyway--thanks for stopping by, and I appreciate your efforts to bring more attention to subjects covered in non-English media. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Masta Wu

Hi! Please check this version [53] of the article. I rewrote the whole thing with sources, but user Mastawu222 restored the auto-translated version later. All we need to do is revert to my version and lock the article from editing until this apparently non-English speaking guy stops his Google Translated madness. Masta Wu is pretty notable. ko:마스타 우. I didn't have time to write more, because I would need to scrape through some Korean sources for more info and did some major firefighting on the article to get rid of the autotranslated text. Here's an interview from DAZED (Dazed), a long article in Naver's Japanese magazine Kstyle [54], interview in Yonhap News [55], and Joongang Daily [56] This alone should be enough for notability, and there are other sources in my version of the article, too. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• Teemeah, I don't know if I'm convinced of notability, but you've done one hell of a job and I thank you for it. I see that good old Materialscientist, who won't rest until he's edited every single article on Wikipedia, has already applied protection. It may well be time to cut short Mastawu's career here. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
• MS, I hope you don't mind, but I extended the block to indefinite after some socking and some more incompetence (which is my good-faith reading of what would otherwise be called pure assholery). Teemeah, I think the fun should be over by now--I also blocked that IP that was making some eerily familiar edits. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I added more sources and archive links for the chart positions and sales. He charted at least twice on national charts, and has two major full albums under a major label in Korea. This alone should be enough for notability but I added Korean sources too, that are not trivial. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 22:21, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Mighty Morphin Army Ranger

Just thought you should be aware of the latest comment by a random IP. It's under It's Not Your Fault, Morphin. :) - Amaury (talk) 23:02, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• This is all just too stupid for words. What's the acronym, DNFTT? Thanks, though--who'd have thunk that simple "fuck off", which is accepted all over the wiki esp. on one's own talk page, cause such a stir? Drmies (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
• Two kinds of pork, I'm famous on Wikipediocracy! I appreciate your comment, though, hey, that was kind of creepy. Who has a car as an equal, third member in a relationship? While we're at it, you may want to tell your friends there that I didn't bait and I certainly didn't block--your friends may have failed to notice that. Also, I don't know who Tryptich or Vigilant or Barbour are, but don't they have anything better to do?

  As a side note, you may be pleased to know that tonight's dinner involved no kind of pork at all. It's grilling season again, and the sirloin and mushrooms were on sale. But you know I had plenty of bacon grease to douse the veggies with. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

As I said on your talk page, that "creepy" comment was most unfair. I didn't read the ANI. Didn't need to, I've seen this rodeo before. But I disagree, with you saying you didn't bait him. You've seen pissed off newbies before. Did you think your interactions with him where going to do anything but piss him off even further? Now I've got to go bitch at Grubhub for taking 20 minutes to fax my order to a restaraunt. FAX??? What year is it anyways?Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 02:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

• I wasn't baiting this Ranger--I couldn't care less if they get blocked or not. You may want to count how many interactions I had compared to how many interactions they sought with me; I know you can count to two, and this shouldn't be much more difficult. If your pals over at Wikipediocracy, who strike me as the most anti-PC crowd in the world, start developing a problem with me saying "fuck off" to someone who comes to my talk page to fuck with me, well, then I'm really at a loss for words, especially since they think it's OK (and I suppose you think it's OK too) to take anonymous snipes at me, with my real name and all. (That was that Barbour person, right? Coward.) Drmies (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

First, I wouldn't call them my pals. I barely know them. Though I've seem some of the lunatics that got banned here over there, and have zero interest in engaging them ever again. Are they treating you unfairly? Possibly. But I think I've been quite fair to you. And I doubt you were baiting Ranger to see a block, but in your "suffer no fools" mode you unnecessarily upset him, and to what end? What did it accomplish? Not much except one person who doesn't care to edit here anymore and to satisfy a bunch of smug pricks who decide Wikipedia life and death over at ANI. Not that this was your intention, but ANI won't be denied their daily boomerang.Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 02:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

You can hardly hold me responsible for the "smug pricks" on Wikipedia when you claim to have nothing to do with the trolls on WR. Surely you've noticed that I was outed in that very thread. In other words, this is well beyond splinters and beams. Sure, you have been fair enough to me here, on this site, and I dare say I to you everywhere (which is here, since I don't go to other websites to comment on people here)--but the company you keep there is reprehensible, except for one or two who got shafted here. But they know who they are, they have my sympathy, and they know that pissing on some random admin here does nothing to help anyone. And if you got some bone to pick with GorillaWarfare, leave me out of it. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps the morale of the story is that the goal should be to defuse conflicts. I think the "point" being made over there was, "hey, see how easy it is to mess with a newbie and get him blocked?" Not that I think that ever crossed your mind. ANI has sharks looking for blood in the water. You know that. As for GW, sorry about that, but I'm not sorry about any cognitive dissonance my query will cause.Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 03:14, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Koningsdag

You have the flags and orange t-shirts ready for Koningsdag? I will be in Alkmaar. Short holiday. And as I will try to escape the madness (yesterday two turned-down block requests on NLWP), I will be computer and internet free. Time for some research into Chinese-Indonesian-Dutch food (Babi panggang and Foe Yong Hai!!) and of course some quality research on bitterballen and satay-croquettes. The Banner talk 23:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

• Banner, I could tell you I'm not jealous, of course. Then again, Alkmaar...the best thing about that city is that they built a ring around it... I'll be in Hoorn a few weeks from now, but I expect you'll be gone again then? You may have noticed that I narrowly escaped some censure myself--but I got nothing on you. Also, as far as I'm concerned it's Koninginnedag, of course--I don't recognize a king whose coronation I didn't attend. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I prefer Groningen, but the main event of the trip was to my 96 year old aunt in Castricum and to a niece in Heiloo. (Although I also visited a nephew in some uncharted part of Friesland. And yes, I brought my passport.) The "Indonesian rice table" was great, nearly had to ring a taxi to bring my Mother the four hundred meter back to our hotel. The Banner talk 15:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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Done. Oh! Masta Wu, what shall I do? I wanted to go to Birmingham, but they've taken me on to 보신탕. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:31, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Wait, Drmies has flunkies that fix his dabs? Is that part of his extortion? Man, you must have an entire cemetery in your closet. Softlavender (talk) 10:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm just glad the Dutch government thought those "drainpipes" were actual drainpipes. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

• Birmingham, Birmingham, greatest city in Alabam. Thanks Xantyopeledopus. The Masta is still struggling for survival--if you want to practice your allegorical skills, see if you can turn that saga into a Wikipedia version of Kill Bill Vol. 2. Drainpipes? I'll give you a prediction: unless we elect a progressive Democrat here in the US, we'll be a developing nation in twenty years because our water and sewage infrastructure will have crumbled completely, and what little drinking water we can pump from the remaining aquifers will just seep into the ground, to fill up an aquifer for a future civilization. Cue Radiohead song. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

• Do Brummies ever go to Birmingham? I had a look at a press release about the Masta- and gave up. His first official comeback in years is the track "Come Here" with "South Korea’s most spotlighted rappers DOK2 and BOBBY". ?? Did he unofficially comeback some time? Are Dok2 and Bobby spotlighted because they're standing too close to the DMZ? I had that water and sewage thing drummed into me at university- the Great Stink, cholera, permissive legislation etc. Now we've got fatbergs the size of 747s. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Course evals

Re [57], apparently there have been only two controlled trials of student evaluations of teaching as a measure of teaching effectiveness. Both showed a negative relationship. Of course administrators don't want to hear this because student evaluations are easy to administer and give a simple, quantitative measure upon which to base decisions. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

• You must be an academic. Yes, you are absolutely correct, and this is one of the things I'm preparing to bring up in an official manner--but first I need to make full, and thus placate to the students, before I can open my mouth. I have a nice little selection of articles and studies at work; I'll drop a link or two this week. Thanks: I appreciate the note. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• Ha, User:Short Brigade Harvester Boris, I think you made a copy-paste error: I'm sure you had a link to the two trials, and I'm very interested in them. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:22, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Cripes. My original source was this. As penance, I'll do your homework for you and give direct links here and here. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Yes, those are the ones I know of--there's a couple more posts here and there, and I think this may have gotten written up in the Chronicle. Thanks though. Listen, homework is simple--preparing "This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen" for the one class, and for the other, I forgot: maybe it's "The Lady's Dressing Room". But I'm half-assing everything since I got a visitor tomorrow on campus, so I really appreciate you stepping in. The door code is 3600 (classes are in the same room). Drmies (talk) 03:45, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Pointers to any other sources would be welcome. I'm planning to make myself a local pest over this. All together now: "I've got tenure and I'll say what I want, say what I want, say what I want. I've got tenure..." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
        • You forget that "Full" is a step that requires paperwork and friends in the right places as well... Drmies (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

re:

Saw your post here. I just looked, and it appears that Coffee has been off-wiki since the 23rd. Perhaps an email if you're looking for input from him. (side note: I appreciate your work as of late - thank you) — Ched :  ?  02:58, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

• You mean my lack thereof? Unless, of course, you are referring to my hard work at the grill or with the chickens. If Coffee isn't checking Wikipings then they won't be looking for an email from me either, but I'm in no rush and may drop them a line. I'm still trying to figure out if I care enough about any of it. You know, one of these days I'm going to shock the kind folks at Wikipediocracy by actually looking into something before making a decision on it, haha. Hope you're well, Ched. Hey, let's write an article together. Remember how that goes? Drmies (talk) 03:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• Ched, I got us started: User:Drmies/Ched and me. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, but if we're talking about gospel writers, then Rhonda may want in on it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm headed out today, and going to check the local book store for anything on Loes. At this stage, I'm generally just posting info .. and then sort it out into some order once it gets a bit larger. I'm just glad that the good Dr. has offered me a path back to article work. :) — Ched :  ?  10:32, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I couldn't find any more detail in sources that I did a quick search for in Google Books - you got the obvious ones. There are always articles I want to work on; I could probably work on forever. I used to keep a list, but there's no point because I never keep up with it. I'm currently reading two good books about the Ordnance Survey which I hope to spin a GA out of at some point. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing on User Talk Page of Arxiloxos

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at User_talk:Arxiloxos, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not continue to disrupt an ongoing user talk conversation about a controversial topic by blanking out the original post. If you'd like, you are free to state an opinion in the thread instead. Thank you. JS18WlKlPEDlA (talk) 05:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Power of Women

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

YouTube links in article body

YouTube links (or other official music video links) are sometimes included in the body of discography articles/sections. I've removed most of these links from K-pop articles and removed a few from J-pop articles recently. Here's an example of what I'm talking about (old version of Sakura Gakuin). My edits on 9nine were reverted and I was asked to "Please leave them be" on Talk:9nine. Am I missing something here? I thought removing these links would be non-controversial, based on my interpretation of WP:EL. I've seen you remove YouTube links before so that's why I'm asking here. Random86 (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) You are correct, the youtube links should be removed, and I've commented on the article talk page supporting your edits. GregJackP Boomer! 04:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
• Yes. And Sakura Gakuin is a ridiculous fan page. Drmies (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, both of you. MoscowConnection is still saying the links are allowed—I don't get it. Random86 (talk) 01:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I suggest renaming the header for that column to Refs and converting them to references as they should document the release of the video and the director information. If it does not contain such information then nuke it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• No, the links aren't good for refs, either. They still violate WP:ELNO. GregJackP Boomer! 03:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:ELNO applies to external links, not citations. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• I should post this on some talk page or project page, but that's too far a walk tonight. If we're serious about references, they should be secondary references. Such links are primary, and the argument that they verify a date or so is really quite weak, certainly when weighed against what their real function appears to be--to turn a Wikipedia article into a collection of links that makes it resemble a fan site. Given that such links are more links than references, the spirit of ELNO certainly applies. Seriously, those articles are ridiculous, and Moscow's argument about articles being boring is such a fundamental misconception of what Wikipedia is that it's laughable. As Shinyang-i has noted as well, I believe, we're compiling articles based on no secondary sources whatsoever (certainly when setting aside the usual fan sites and portals and whatnot) that end up being nothing but a list of video links and alternate single releases and remixes and alternate covers and different releases for the Japanese and Korean market and etc. In other words, shit. A catalog of meaningless factoids. No, AngusWoof, videos are worth mentioning if they're proven to be worth mentioning. Drmies (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm merely arguing that youtube videos can be cited or used as primary sources per WP:ELPEREN. And converting these is a suggestion on how to make that column useful. It doesn't mean the entries within the list are worth listing as that kind of stuff needs to pass the notability. I agree we don't need more cruft and that the other RS references should push the importance of some videos over others. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm arguing that they don't need to be listed at all. And ELPEREN doesn't give you much to stand on anyway, to put it mildly... Drmies (talk) 04:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

ANI regarding JS18WIKIPEDIA and Born Rich (film)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 19:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

copyright spammer

Hey there, looks like you're still active atm. Wanna squash a linking-to-copyrighted-material spammer? Special:Contributions/Mousumimolla? Tarc (talk) 04:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• Don't know if I can last for the second half, Tarc--pretty busy but very exciting day. What do Dexter Avenue Baptist Church and Maurice Manning (poet) have in common? This morning, me. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
• The spam block was easy. How does this racket work, dear? I clicked on one link, to get a book from someone called Clive Barker, was was led to some adf.ly link that required more Javascript than I was willing to offer. Drmies (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Hope you have good a antivirus, I never click on that junk...or at the very least fire up lynx and look at it there. As for b-ball, I'm a Celtics fan, still in mourning. I love Doc though, so go Clips! Tarc (talk) 04:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

My personal choice is Kaspersky Internet Security, just IMO. Also use a bootable thumb-drive and Ubuntu when I'm really in doubt, but want to look anyway. — Ched :  ?  10:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Still happening

Drmies, isn't this crossing the line (or maybe more than one)? [58]. He's still stalking my edits and hounding and, frankly, refuses to leave me alone. All he needs to do is stop going where I go by no longer looking at where I go (I realize the latter is unenforceable). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• Sorry Winkelvi, my time has been somewhat limited and I pick at random. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry to bother you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Note that I closed "your" RfC. :) Drmies (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I see that now. Thank you. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry WV, time is limited and that's the best I could do that didn't require much time or thinking. Drmies (talk) 15:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I get that your time is limited and I have asked a lot of you recently. Actually, with the RfC closed, I hope this will be the end of interaction possibilities with that particular editor. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:58, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not just time, it's also energy and attention. I'm sorry Winkelvi--but sometimes you (me) bite off more than you can chew. I do hope that other admins are willing to look into the matter. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I get the message. Please know that I've appreciated your assistance and advice. It's been invaluable. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Bad move... Drmies (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't a "move" at all, Drmies. It was a totally honest "finger" mistake. I was using my tablet at the time, his talk page was still on my watchlist, my finger slipped and accidentally hit rollback. I tried to stop it from happening, realized after trying that I couldn't stop it, and then immediately reverted. Frankly, I would have thought you of all people would WP:AGF first and ask what the deal was rather than jump to a negative conclusion. PBS also jumped to the worst case scenario conclusion/assumption. Whatever. I know what happened and have explained it truthfully. I just wish I didn't have to declare my innocence in the face of an accusation rather than an inquiry. I have a history of edit warring, I don't have a history of (nor the inclination toward) intentional disruption/harm/vandalism. Why anyone thinks I would stoop to something so juvenile and idiotic is beyond my understanding. Oh, well. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• Take it easy, WV. I didn't see your immediate revert--that's all you had to point to. There was nothing on your talk page either since you removed PBS's comment rather then respond to it. Now, I don't know what you were doing with a tablet there...doesn't seem like a good idea, but shit happens. Drmies (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I responded in the edit summary as I removed PBS' threats. Since March he's come to my talk page demanding apologies over nothing and has used his status as an administrator more than once to threaten me unjustly. Also more than once, he's made some very bad and hasty assumptions in regard to me (even you noted same on one such occasion). All of this has become a recurring theme with PBS where I am concerned. Because of these negative encounters and non-AGF assumptions in my userspace, I've asked him repeatedly to not post to my talk page unless absolutely necessary (a template warning or notification). He's ignored my requests. He showed up again, threatening me, and I deleted his post with an edit summary response [59]. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:44, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Hint

m:Wikimedia Foundation elections/Board elections/2015/Candidates. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• Wait--I have to figure out the hierarchy and organization now? Drmies (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
• You know, that's really just too high up for me--it's so far removed from Wikipedia and editors... Drmies (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Drmies, you ran for the board in 2013. ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
    • And nothing's changed since then? :) Seriously, this really isn't for me. I mean, I'd love some prestige and power, but I don't have 12 to 15 days a year to sacrifice for a mostly oversight/administrative place. Take me out to SF and wine me and dine me, sure, but I can't do that with a good conscience. Speaking of conscience--I feel like I need a shower. Ed, you're one of the good guys, and I appreciate all the fine content work you've done for us and for the world. I hope you never quit. Drmies (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
      • You make a good point. Now, showers? They have those in Alabama? Thanks for the compliment. Content work is something I really need to get back to. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
        • What does a board member actually do? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
          • Well, according to Drmies, they sacrifice 12 to 15 days a year, but what they sacrifice I don't know. Can't be chickens, ferrets, cats or dogs- must be some kind of animal nobody likes, else we'd have heard about it by now. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:40, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
            • I assume what any board of trustees does—ensure the organization is upholding its mission requirements, take high-level decisions on funding, decide to keep or fire the executive director, etc. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:57, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Book shopping

While I was book shopping .. the clerk found a really good book to have on Dexter Avenue Baptist Church. She's going to try to get it for us. — Ched :  ?  22:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• It's something. Being in his office... Also something: First Baptist Church (Montgomery, Alabama), and King was there as well. Drmies (talk) 23:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

OK ... I'm having a beer and a bit of Kahlua ... but .. I got it done. this is on the way. I'll use it to add to the article .. and then send the book to you. Shit, who knows, if we work on it - maybe Eric will help make it better. We'll get the Loes article out first .. and then work on the church one. — Ched :  ?  03:44, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh ... by the way, my sister loves this guy ... [60] — Ched :  ?  04:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Heather Bresch

Here we have something that closely resembles an RfC, though one was never formally filed. Consensus is not entirely clear. It could use a "close" of sorts, where someone interprets consensus and makes whatever edits are appropriate. Was wondering if you were up for it. CorporateM (Talk) 03:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:RPP

Hey Drmies! I don't see you at RPP much, so wasn't sure if you were aware that this page is completely ass backwards from all the other noticeboards. The older requests at the bottom and not the top, so we should respond to the bottom ones first. There's been repeated discussions to flip this around this but nothing has happened yet. Anyway, thanks for helping out with this perpetual backlog!! You may find this script helpful as well :) Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

That and the Teahouse, drives me nuts. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there anything that I can do for you, SuperHamster, to make your outstanding and useful Teahouse contributions more satisfying to you? More barnstars? More virtual beers? More thanks to you for being an excellent host there? Your wish is my command. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:06, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Aww shucks, Cullen328. My only wish now is to retake a position ahead of your smiling face. One day... ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Let's both keep helping out there at the Teahouse. Console yourself with being the First Place Hamster plus the fact that I am a lazy old man who might take a three day nap, and be quickly replaced as the most active host. If only we could get Drmies interested. He is an editing machine who could rub us both out. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oh Musik, I've been there plenty. The reason I start at the top is that the page flops around too much anyway, with editing in those templates--I frequently end up in the wrong one, and the higher you start, the less likely that becomes. Drmies (talk) 21:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I start at the bottom and work my way up because Ymblanter starts at the top and works downwards. Then we get to meet in the middle. It's more fun that way. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I just saw that I have 725 edits there. Most of the time I just go by there to troll, of course. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Translation from the Dutch, please

Hey you guys, what does "keurig" actually mean? According to magazines the Keurig inventor "looked up the word excellence in Dutch—because 'everyone likes the Dutch'—and he and his college roommate Peter Dragone named their new company Keurig" [61]. Wiktionary says the word means "proper or decorous", and that's what this little "Etymology" section in the Keurig article says. QUESTIONS: (1) What do you guys say it means? (2) Is there any conceivable way an early 1990s English-to-Dutch dictionary would have said that "excellence" in Dutch was "keurig"? Danke, Softlavender (talk) 06:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• Not "decorous"--it means either "proper" or "neat". In typically carries connotations of orderliness. "Prim"! Think of neatly folded tea towels and properly ironed curtains, or a young girl with a bow in her year in her starched Sunday clothes. Excellence=keurig? No way. Banner? Drmies (talk) 15:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• According to my 1978 Kramers dictionary "excellent" translates as "uitmuntend, uitstekend, uitnemend" and "voortreffelijk". Nothing coming even close to "keurig". "Keurig" translates into "choice, nice, exquisite, trim." So the answer on your second question is a crystal clear NO. The Banner talk 15:32, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, OK thanks. Any help on how to word the thing in the Keurig article would be helpful as well. I'm guessing they looked up something like "choice" (which is a good word for coffee), and then in a revisionist look-back claimed it was "excellence". They probably went more on the sound (and spelling) of the word rather than precise or total meaning. By the way, someone should change or add to the Wikitionary definition if it's not spot on or proper (LOL see what I did there?). Softlavender (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• You know, all too frequently people think I'm Danish or something like that. Denmark doesn't even border the Netherlands! Of course, they also don't know that "The Guest" is set in Algeria, a French colony, which is not in Europe (and not in Israel, despite the fact that Arabs are mentioned--yes, that was one answer on a quiz); or that Oroonoko is set in Surinam, then an English colony, in South America (which is not "Britian", as I read on one quiz). Keeping all that in mind, I'll point you to this article again for shits and giggles, and also to English As She Is Spoke, urging you to get a copy of the latter. Drmies (talk) 04:11, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I have that Boston Globe article, plus 20 other articles on the history of the company, but none of them say anything further on the matter as to what word Sylvan actually looked up or what "keurig" actually means in Dutch. No such word exists in Danish -- the Globe got that wrong and The Atlantic got it right. I'm just wondering how to word what "keurig" actually means in the Keurig article, and what source [i.e., online dictionary] to cite (since Wiktionary at present has got it wrong or incomplete). [BTW, just now DLed English As She Is Spoke onto my Kindle.] Softlavender (talk) 04:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I was just a bit surprised to see that odd mistake. Well, in that article it means whatever that person thought it meant, really... and the odd thing is that even if it's wrong you can't really say it's wrong cause that's OR, haha. I'd just say "he thought it meant" or something like that. But no one would ever say, "o, dat is een keurig kopje koffie!" Even typing it cracks me up. Drmies (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, may I quote you on that? If I change the current wording (now in an inappropriate call-out section called "Etymology" in the Keurig article), the editor who wrote that is going to object; I already tried to explain on the Talk page that we shouldn't have an "Etymology" section, but he disagreed. Softlavender (talk) 04:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

PS: If you were Danish, one of your names – first, middle, etc. – would be "Christian". At least that has been the case with every male Dane I've met (admittedly a small cohort). Also, now that we're on the subject, Danes have to name their kids from a list of governmentally approved names. You will not find anyone named "Rainbow" or "Moon Unit" or "Apple" in Denmark. That said, supposably Denmark is the happiest place on earth. So maybe it's a tradeoff. Somehow. Softlavender (talk) 06:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• That editor sounds silly. The only reason to include it is promotion. Denmark is super happy and lovely and home to some of the best breweries and restaurants in the world--ask Favonian for URLs and reservations. Here in Alabama I have discovered that everone knows someone called Mike Davis. Drmies, mobilely

Some stroopwafels for you!

Thank-you. Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

BMK (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• I GoT UR ip mf***er! :)

Lips Are Movin

You are the one who delisted the article previously. So, after a peer review, a copy-edit and a lot of work by me, I ask you if you still have any issue with the article. All the clunky phrasing you pointed out is now gone. Please don't delete this message and provide a reasonable reply. Good faith. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 08:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hmm. I'll give you a reasonable reply: stop these mood swings in your messages. If you really want to know whether it's up to snuff, ask for a good reviewer, like Eric Corbett or Ritchie333 or SandyGeorgia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

If I had to pick an editor who could do a good GA review on this, it would be SNUGGUMS. From a mile high view, you don't need a 3 paragraph lead for a 12K prose article, "cheating" / "cheated" could do with being trimmed in the last paragraph of the lead, the FUR for File:Meghan Trainor - Lips Are Movin.ogg is not really up to par (see File:Firth of Fifth.ogg for a recent example of non-free audio that passed GAN), the video section is probably a bit too long, you don't need all those chart position tables .... so from a cursory look as to whether it can pass a GA review now, I can't really say more than "maybe" at the moment. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, my. I don't do GA reviews, and don't follow closely the differences in requirements between GA and FA, but there is one heck of a lot of plodding prose interspersed with an excess of numbers, and then there's the mix of number 10 vs. number ten, for example. Here's some interesting punctuation:

• Trainor performed "Lips Are Movin" live on NBC's The Today Show on November 5, 2014. and in New York during Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade on November 27, 2014.

Perhaps if MaranoFan cleans up his/her attitude, Laser brain can be enticed to take a look. And I agree on the SNUGGUMS suggestion. MaranoFan, you may find that a good and collaborative attitude will yield better results in here, and confining your commentary about articles to article talk pages is also a good thing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I think I got most of it. I disagree with the comments about the audio file FUR, It is used in FA Diamonds (Rihanna song)'s file and in most articles. How does the article look now? :) All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 19:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I am assuming this silence as an indicator that there aren't more suggestions. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 19:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

You can do that if you like. But this is a user talk page, not an article talk page, and we all have things to do: a GA pre-review may not be on the top of anyone's list. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

G8

You missed the Talk page - JohnInDC (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• Really? please tag or delete it--I'm mobile. 12.89.153.102 (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Deleted - Drmies, you really ought to make a sock account for your phone. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
    • K, thanks. The mobile interface sucks. This morning I found, by accident, some sort of page with additional functions, and one of them said "Log out Drmies"--though obviously I wasn't even logged in. The interface doesn't do spellcheck and autocorrect, and the interface via Safari is buggy and difficult to work with. Pages in the Wiki app don't always refresh properly, templates aren't rendered, you can't click around in the history, you can't go from user to user talk or from article to article talk--should I go on? :) Drmies (talk) 14:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeah I usually just switch back to desktop view (at the bottom), but I find that the buttons for block and delete are too small and easy to hit by accident, that I didn't want to risk being logged in using my admin account, hence Kelapstick on the Run. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
        • Yes, but that view is in the browser, not in the app (if I remember correctly). I find it all very confusing. If we're supposed to crack open that market for the mobile user in Africa and Asia, we're going to have to do better. Of course, no matter how good the interface is, it's still a small screen. Drmies (talk) 23:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
          • Oh yes, I have the app but seldom use it. I just prefer to use the browser. The app or mobile view isn't bad for reading, I find the watchlist function horrific, which is why I go back to desktop/browser. I actually forget that I have the app most of the time. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

WPPilot

Anything to do with this? I've been wondering what the heck was up with that article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• That article was seriously problematic for reasons you pointed out there. I'm glad to see DGG agreed with you in that discussion; perhaps ANI would have been a good venue to discuss that. Or AfD. Drmies (talk) 02:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• Drmies, you deleted it as BLP without any discussion, citing privacy concerns. I do not see privacy concerns as such, because all of these people are identified in public sources. The BLP problem is a little more complicated; I see questions involving UNDUE, WP:CRIME, and and BLP1E, but this needs a noticeboard discussion, not sdmin fist by you or me. (If you do see some privacy concerns I've missed, email me.) DGG ( talk ) 04:30, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• Actually, I didn't cite BLP. Also, YGM, DGG. Drmies (talk) 04:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I now see User talk:WPPilot unblock discussion, and I think I do understand the problem. but what is YGM? DGG ( talk ) 04:46, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• You Got Mail! It's a fun movie, and I thought you'd appreciate three three-letter combinations in a row. Drmies (talk) 04:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

L::::::::::

I now see the User talk:WPPilot unblock discussion, and I think I do understand the problem. If it's gone to UTRS, Isomehow have a feeling I may eventually be seeing it in another venue, so I won't comment further here DGG ( talk ) 06:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you David. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Good luck with this. Last time I had to deal with this editor it was an absolute horrorshow. I really can't figure him out. BMK (talk) 06:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

He is a pilot who takes photos from the windows of small planes. It is a BFD. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I know that, and I know his own impression of his value to the encyclopedia and Commons, but what I can't figure out is how the personality behind it works. He seems at times reasonably adult and at other times extremely childish. Very strange. BMK (talk) 02:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

AH! I just saw the Arb notice further down on this page, and read the request for a case. I suspect that the answer to at least some of my questions might be in the private material that ArbCom reviewed, which means that I'll probably never know. Such is life! Drmies: Please feel free to delete/hat/whatever this section of the thread. BMK (talk) 02:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania

Hello,

I saw that you were reverted here by the sockpuppet vandal [62]. Just so you know, I just discovered that one single prick has been making thousands of accounts, most of which only edit Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania adding blatant boosterism, few edit a very few other random articles and often vandalize Harvard University and it business school. Hundreds of his accounts have been blocked. See Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania' article's history. Here are a "few" of the blocked accounts, there are many more: Blocked Ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DrexelBurns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Factcheckll1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/8infinite88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Watt70volt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Modifiersnnz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stoppinsanity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nukethemall779 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/500HPhemi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Objectivity65 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iamsoawesomeness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eightyeighteuro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/OH70perc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arbitrageuro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Franklinsawesome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Watt70volt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Brevitee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/VeraciousTop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70mphbasic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/LNetNews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Verbatieem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DataVoRax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FXhifreq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arbratoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PhoenixAZ4u https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ONixpoint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Triplesshot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Detaiilsmater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/EZbernoulli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fibbonnacci https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChaseMorjan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firstthingfirst https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/13denominat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/$hurleySS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Juliuscaesarsalad00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/COfizzwnint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/827I122O414I23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/8onecents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PrivateEquBox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RoyallFllush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/XCVB200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mattersoverminds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/LIBorRaTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fleetsemicolon

Accounts that need to be blocked:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/VPCfour
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Editoriouser
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Encyclopediacontributor
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/StTrees
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RRoyce624
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sam_Hollingsworth
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Newtonian7
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ksm824
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Penguino35&dir=prev&offset=20130323214241&target=Penguino35
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maffs~enwiki
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Penguino35
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Moogrogue&dir=prev&offset=20070615212525&target=Moogrogue
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pennwhar
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/80battery
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/INC5000
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Giuliaiswrong
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Consistentlyrandam
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Admiralanchor
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Citationsources&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=2015&month=-1

--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 02:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Another new sockpuppet has just been created:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Corrections345 Is there any way to end this quagmire?--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 02:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Wow! A for effort for the sockmeister! Bbb23 and Ponyo, vacation's over! 66.168.253.87 (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• One way is to simply get lots of watchers on the article, including admins who can perma-block the obvious (new) socks. Softlavender (talk) 03:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Note: this vandal also edits through many IPs, possibly one of which just vandalized this talkpage [63] --Harvard Guy1 (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, Harvard Guy, that was me, calling in some admins while throwing a Kentucky Derby party. Drmies (talk) 04:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• • • My apologies. This vandal uses hundreds of accounts and IPs. I thought he was trying to tamper my message to you.--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
• I noticed that a vandal possibly this same person, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Notabede, removed a huge 20,000 worth of materials from Harvard Business School just like he did to many other Wikipedia articles. While he was blocked for vandalism, his vandalisms were not reverted (that includes almost 200,000! worth of content in various Wikipedia articles).--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Um, Jeez Louise, Drmies, as an IP you need to sign off as "Drmies, logged off", or "Drmies, stone drunk at a Kentucky Derby party". I just reverted part of your "vandalism". Softlavender (talk) 04:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Good luck logging in on the mobile app. Plus, I deny having been stone drunk. I'm still standing/sitting. Ever had bourbon with St. German and ginger beer and lemon juice? Drmies (talk) 04:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Corrections345 is blocked now as a sockpuppet of ST Trees.--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 04:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

That's Materialscientist for you: he doesn't screw around. Now is a time to start an SPI, maybe for Dejure24. Drmies (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

That was very prompt action by Materialscientist. I prefer not to start an SPI for two reasons: First, I don't know how to create an SPI. Second, the more I dig into the history of Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, the more I find blocked or inactive sockpuppets of this vandal. He probably created thousands of accounts and will create more in the future, it would be quite impossible to accommodate a list of his accounts on Wikipedia.--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 05:16, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I just came across this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wharton_School_of_the_University_of_Pennsylvania#Sock_SPA --Harvard Guy1 (talk) 05:26, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Recommend protecting page. That's a lot of socks. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 05:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I think semi-protection would help, but not full, because the article is apparently still full of puffery. Softlavender (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• (peanut gallery again) At this point, since we know the target articles -- promotionally: Wharton and Wharton alum; and negatively: Harvard, HBS, and possibly other Harvard articles -- it seems easier to make a wikilinked list of the target articles here, and put the appropriate admin watchers on the target articles to block the incoming as they occur. At least as a stop-gap until someone decides to create an SPI with all of those usernames and IPs. Alternatively, just notify MaterialScientist when another one pops up? Softlavender (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• • Just found another one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SamuAdams. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wharton_School_of_the_University_of_Pennsylvania#Sock_SPA and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Wharton_School_alumni#Sock_SPA. It seems List of Wharton School alumni and Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania have become the Harvard of sockpuppets! You can do a lot of deep sea fishing for sockpuppets in the history of those two articles!--Harvard Guy1 (talk) 05:45, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI: Harvard Guy 1 is Mangoeater1000. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 18:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Well, no more mangoes then. Hey DoRD, thanks for jumping in--but what do you make of the supposed sock farm signaled by our other sock farm? One quick CU, then ten bucks per block, you'll be rolling in cash. Drmies (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • If only. Well, I did make one block, but many of the accounts are stale for CU purposes, and before I would dig any further, I'd want to see an SPI with enough behavioral evidence to justify CU. Cheers ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

SPI involving both of us

I was just made aware of this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Random86. Continuation of the anti-anti-kpop crusade? Random86 (talk) 16:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

 Looks like a duck to me - Let's block the lot of you! Obvious socks, because there are no more than five people world wide who know what K-pop is! Seriously, can that page just be deleted as ridiculous? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Deleted as created by a previously blocked user. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

As you wish.

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Drmies_and_WPPilot

• Fool. BTW, I'm clearing out your friend Pilot's copyright violations. I guess both of you could do with a tutorial. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: United States Court of Federal Claims

There can't be a copyvio of material that is not subject to copyright, such as the U.S. government-produced pamphlet at issue here. There is no copyright to violate. You can correctly call it plagiarism, if it is uncredited, but we are free to take any and all of that material and post incorporate it without modification into any article we want. I can speak to this as both a former intellectual property lawyer, and a former U.S. Court of Federal Claims law clerk. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:37, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hmm. OK. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks. We do, of course, have a moral duty to acknowledge sources; but in this case, not a legal one. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
    • Feel free to help out with this matter, BD--speaking of moral duty. Nudge nudge... Drmies (talk) 02:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Actually, looking over the material, it was in the wrong article to begin with. It only relates to the United States Court of Claims, a predecessor court with substantial differences in structure and jurisdiction, which was eliminated in 1982. bd2412 T 03:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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You and me both

You and me both. Now I know who our heroes are. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Eh...are they zebras? Bernie Sanders' parents? Drmies (talk) 23:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Quaggas- wallowing in a quagmire. That Bernie sounds pretty good. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Redirects

These redirects OK? San Fagcisco & San Fagciscan Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Jeez, those look like they should be deleted and salted. The editor's entire contribution history is also a little off: [64]. Softlavender (talk) 07:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Softlavender, and thank you Yngvadottir. Happy Liberation Day to all. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
• Yeah (or "fuck yeah"), Sex noise. Welcome to Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit where any permutation of words is a valid topic. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• That reminds me of a public performance I had to put on as part of my degree course- "Life on the Planet SexZoo". Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

That user is creating an awful lot of redirects, and given the two listed at the top of this section I can't help but wonder if some of the others are similarly insulting and we just aren't in on the joke. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• I didn't see that though I was wondering the same thing. Drmies (talk) 18:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
• Just to be on the safe side, I think it would be best to run them by some Palestinians (or other Arabic speakers if none can be found) to make sure. That's an awful lot (24) of redirects to Palestinian/Palestine. Softlavender (talk) 02:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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	a strong-smelling reddish-brown substance that is secreted by the male musk deer for scent-marking and is an important ingredient in perfumery. Themuskiestanimal (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)