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Re: Title of Page

Hi Larry! Thank you for your message. I can't remember if any specific rules apply to geographic place names as such, but in this case, the shorter name was available so I would be inclined to simply use what's currently in place. If there's anything out of the ordinary with the page title, I'm sure it won't take long for someone else to move it. Many of our users are very sharp and look for things just like this. If, after a few days, the page has not been renamed, you can always create a redirect named Cheatham Annex, Virginia that points to your existing article. Waiting a few days to do this is important, because if both name-spaces exist, moving the page becomes more difficult to do. I hope this helps answer your questions... at least in part.  -- WikHead (talk) 03:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheatham Annex

What we still need Larry, is a proper text-label for reference number 38. It's a WP:BURL link to an .xls file, which I have no software to open and retrieve a page title myself. If you can give this one last stubborn link a proper name, the issue would then be addressed.  -- WikHead (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

You're most certainly welcome Larry. I didn't really want to get sticky over a single link, but it was one that was still bare and I was unable to resolve it myself without the proper software to open it. I'm not sure what an .xls file is, but assume it may be one of those Microsoft Office things. The main thing is that it's finally been looked after, and your article looks great! Thanks for being so co-operative.  -- WikHead (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

We all need to learn somewhere . I must say however, that for this being your first article, it looks fantastic! I can tell that a lot of hard work and detail has gone into it, and the things that still needed some adjustment were very minor in comparison. I hope you enjoyed the experience, and that it encourages you to keep up with further wiki-work in the future. Contributors like you are very valuable to the project.  -- WikHead (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The citation is a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, on the web, included as part of the report. I can create a graphic of it, would that help? (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Single source and geo stubs

Hey there. Geo stubs, and single sourcing are pretty much how you start a stub, it will have a single source. Especially places that are remote and small, like coal towns. As there are thousands of locations trhat are geo stubs, and that have one reference, I find it difficult to believe that every one would be a single source citation since the definition of a stub pretty much encompasses a single reference.........So, please be careful NOT to mark geo stubs as a single source. ThanksCoal town guy (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

NOTE: I looked up articles and single sourcing. Single sourcing applioes to self promotion. Ex: My company is really swell and here is my web site to prove it.....A geo stub, and its references from USGS are hardly, self promoting....if you have any questions, I will gladly help outCoal town guy (talk) 04:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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[1]. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 04:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding the rare mustard at Cheatham Annex

I first want to say that I appreciate the high quality of your first page. It pained to remove such a well written and well sourced section, although I stand by my decision. The species known as Physaria globosa (formerly known as Lesquerella globosa), which goes by the common names "Lesquereuxs Mustard" and "Globe Bladderpod" is not known to the scientific community as being from Virginia. This is evidenced by:

• http://ecos.fws.gov/docs/candidate/assessments/2013/r4/Q139_P01.pdf US Fish and Wildlife report from 2012
• http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250095135 Flora of North America treatment of Physaria globosa
• http://www.natureserve.org/explorer/servlet/NatureServe?searchName=Lesquerella+globosa+ NatureServe listing

Even the DoD survey you linked to reports its range as "Endemic to the Interior Low Plateaus Province, from middle Tennessee through northcentral Kentucky and into southern Indiana" in column "AB".

The leading experts in the field do not recognize the locality, and the only source we have that does recognize it contradicts itself. As much as I wish that this globally rare species was found in Virginia, I think we do not have sufficient evidence for inclusion. I hope your will reconsider the validity of my deletions in this light. Masebrock (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Response to the edit

While I appreciate the citations you have mentioned, the rigor that such a report undergoes only highlights this unusual reporting of the plant in the Annex. There was probably quite a background discussion about the inclusion of this plant in the report. If you want to consider a citation that would note the unusual site for such an endangered species, that would help. But, the report by the US Department of Defense about Species at Risk on Department of Defense Installations, January 2004, in association with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, seems to be a rigorous study (see http://www.denix.osd.mil/nr/upload/03-154-Species-at-Risk-on-Department-of-Defense-Installations-Revised-Report-and-Documentation.pdf). Citation of actual field studies would suggest that while not widespread, the endangered Lesquerella globosa was reported as being at Cheatham Annex in 2004. It seems strange to me that the DoD and their scientific review in conjunction with the US Fish and Wildlife Service would have listed an endangered plant species on a backwater Navy site unless the proof was there. If you would consider a followup addition that subsequent reporting does not find the Lesquerella globosa to be on that site, that would be accurate. However, in 2004, a published report noted the species at Cheatham Annex, Virginia.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."   [Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 1, Scene V]

Physaria globosa's range and populations are well documented. There is wealth of publications from the nine years that have passed since 2004 that do not mention the locality, including the Flora of North America project, which is considered one of the most authoritative publications in the field. While the DoD's study may have been rigorous, it is far from the most authoritative source. To favor this one study while ignoring the leading experts in the field would give undue (WP:UNDUE) weight to this position. Masebrock (talk) 05:43, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

The US Fish and Wildlife Service seems to have changed their mind, in the 2012 report I linked. Masebrock (talk) 05:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Would you consider adding the statement above, especially with the concept of the "most authoritative publication"? This would allow the report to retain the original citation, and note the current view that the plant does not exist at the facility. There is something tragic in having the hope that it was surviving so far afield, then crushed by the lack of being noted later. LarryGrim (talk) 07:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there is sufficient evidence that it ever did exist in the facility. Physaria globosa is on the verge of extinction, and even former populations are meticulously mapped. I think the most reasonable thing to do, for the sake of not cluttering the Cheatham Annex article with non-notable information, would be to simply no longer include the section. I suppose we could say, "Physaria globosa was once mistakenly identified out of Cheatham Annex, but it is no longer recognized to have been native there", although I question the notability of it, it seems like a good compromise.Masebrock (talk) 07:29, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

After all this, I will now concede and leave it up to you. If you want to remove it, again, or note that it was mistakenly identified in 2002, but subsequent studies have not reported it being extant, it is up to you. It would be nice to note that at one time, in one report, a soon-to-be extinct plant might have been far afield from the normal area. I think you are right, thank you.

LarryGrim (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me. Best wishes for your future articles! Masebrock (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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U-858 and U-505

I've noticed that you've placed information in at least two articles that U-858 was the first enemy ship to surrender to US forces since the War of 1812, citing a primarily photographic book by Gary Wray. I'm curious as to the source's exact wording, as at least one incident earlier in WWII appears to constitute a warship surrendering to US forces, namely the German submarine U-505 on 4 July 1944. I suppose U-505 could be considered "captured following abandonment", similar to the capture following a scuttling attempt of the commerce raider Odenwald by USS Omaha (CL-4) on 6 November 1941. Maybe Wray is only considering "voluntary" surrenders. I have seen that Uboat.net includes this information without elaboration, and maybe a better wording is "first U-boat to surrender to US forces following the defeat of Germany in World War II". A quick look at World War I U-boat losses at https://www.uboat.net/wwi/fates/listing.html shows at least U-111, U-117, and UC-97 surrendered to the US in November 1918. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 02:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

RobDuch Thank you for the gracious note. I might have just expected you to update the entry rather than drop the note to me. However, I hope that the changes made to both the Fort Miles and U-858 pages incorporate correctly your suggestion. LarryGrim (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply and action. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 21:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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