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Your submission at Articles for creation: Altgeld Chimes has been accepted

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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (March 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Sulfurboy were:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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 The comment the reviewer left was:
Why is this notable? Does this have any coverage outside of the university itself? What is the title of the article supposed to be?
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (March 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
While it might be true that this subject is notable, we need to see some sort of coverage of the subject that is indpenedent of the University itself. Looks like everything here that significantly covers the subject
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: List of University of Illinois songs has been accepted

List of University of Illinois songs, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for putting in the effort to get the Illinois songs article up to snuff.

Sulfurboy (talk) 23:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you

Your edit summary for your addition to the Edward Elgar article was a pleasant change. You might be surprised how often people blithely add categories for which there is not the slightest evidence in the relevant article. Your explanation was exactly what was wanted. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 17:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

GAN of List of University of Illinois Presidents

Hello, Thrakkx. I noticed that you nominated List of University of Illinois Presidents for Good Article status. Unfortunately, stand-alone lists are not eligible to be GAs. See WP:GACR. Instead, they can be nominated for featured list status. I would encourage you to revert the GA nomination and instead review the FL criteria. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of List of University of Illinois Presidents

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Undiscussed change of reference format at Jacob van Eyck

I've posted on the talk-page there, but will say it here also: it's not acceptable to radically change the long-established reference format of a page without prior discussion, and it's definitely not acceptable to edit-war over it. Per WP:BRD, if your edit is reverted, the appropriate response is not make the same edit again, but to start a discussion (which in this case you should have done even before you made the first edit). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: See its talk page. Thanks. P.S.: It is very aggressive of you to call this an edit war. Thrakkx (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

next steps

The lists of chancellors aare a good start on the topic. Now write the articles., using the criteria at WP:PROF. Although a good case could be made that they are effectively head of a university & therefore intrinsically nb, it would be helpful if they could be shown to meet WP:PROF as scholars. DGG ( talk ) 11:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Carillon

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Your GA nomination of Carillon

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Your GA nomination of Carillon

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Congratulations! - Sorry, I missed it, so no DYK? - Sorry further, I reverted some of your talk page headers which I believe are annoying as long as editors comment with civility, and your COI suspicions for an editor whose edits I found all factual and useful. I wasn't amused to find the tag for an opera where I was the principal editor, and people might think I'm the surviving partner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I did nominate the article for DYK, and it was approved, but the bot will not advance it onwards to the staging area. Maybe I messed with how it works too much. I edited the template after it was approved (making one of the approved alts more visible at the top). After a while I thought the reviewer forgot to set a parameter, so I "fixed" it, realized that was wrong, and reverted. The bot probably can't "see" it or something. Thrakkx (talk) 12:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Fine, that will be resolved eventually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
It's in prep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: thanks for helping it along! Thrakkx (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
You are welcome, and that was easy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Carillon

On 27 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carillon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during World War II, 150,000 carillon bells were stored in "bell cemeteries" (German: Glockenfriedhöfe) before being melted down to make shell casings and armaments? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carillon. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Carillon), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Precious

carillon

Thank you for quality articles around the carillon such as Altgeld Chimes, for updating related articles such as Thomas Rees Memorial Carillon, for the list of University of Illinois songs, for clarity in infoboxes, and cleaning up article talk pages, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2601 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Congrats! I added Carillon to the stats, - next time you can do it yourself. - It's also featured on Portal:Germany. - I'm not sure what you mean by "missed DYK" on your user page: make them GA, and they are no longer missed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you for this precious stone, it's so very thoughtful! What I mean by "missed DYK" is that I'm pretty sure I expanded those articles by 5x, but I didn't know that I could (or how to) nominate them for DYK. Thrakkx (talk) 13:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
You can nominate them for GA, and then show them, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I may, we'll see :) Thrakkx (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Carillon

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Carillon has been completed.

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Best of luck with the FAC when you get to it.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for De Gruytters carillon book

On 25 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article De Gruytters carillon book, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an 18th-century carillon-music manuscript by Joannes de Gruytters was discovered at a book auction? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/De Gruytters carillon book. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, De Gruytters carillon book), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Carillon category

Hello there. I’m concerned that category:Carillons is being too widely applied. Per WP:CAT it should be a defining characteristic of the articles it is applied too. This works well for articles on actual carillons or towers, but does not hold true for institutions as a whole. Especially large universities. I think this category should be limited to actual carillons or the structures that hold them. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

For what it’s worth the category itself says “ This category lists articles about buildings and towers which house carillons or articles about the individual carillons themselves, if applicable.” Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, what is an example of this wide application? I have been applying the category to only the structures that house the carillons. Thrakkx (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
The ones I noticed were Concordia Seminary and Missouri State University. I see there are some other large universities in the cat as well like University of the Philippines Diliman. There is not many I just happened to notice the two in my subject area (Missouri). Missouri state in particularly is a large campus with many buildings. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I see. We should remove those. However, for articles linked there about church buildings (and there are a lot), those should remain. What do you think? Thrakkx (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes the church buildings seem just fine to me. Thanks for your time. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ronald Barnes (carillonist)

On 7 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ronald Barnes (carillonist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ronald Barnes was a major force in establishing an American approach to writing music for the carillon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ronald Barnes (carillonist). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ronald Barnes (carillonist)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful article. Thank you so much for all your hard work on carillions. I have brief childhood memories of the glockenspiels of the London Swiss Centre! No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! I enjoy giving these neglected articles some love, especially the main article. Hoping to pass the FAC! You could say I like forgotten things, too. :) Thrakkx (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the work around Carillon! Yesterday I had two interesting DYK (I think), and the day before was at a concert with Daniel Barenboim just playing piano, and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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FAC

Hi Thrakkx, as you recently took part in the peer review for snooker, which is now at FAC - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Snooker/archive2. Feel free to leave some comments if you would like. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for all your contributions, additions, and diligence to University of Illinois-related articles! JustinMal1 (talk) 01:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, fellow Illini! Thrakkx (talk) 15:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

KTVK

Thanks for making the changes. We have thousands of subchannel tables like that in our TV station pages. Should they all be changed to match what you did with KTVK? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sammi Brie, technically yes. The accessibility manual of style dictates that all table columns have colscopes and all rows (with some exceptions) have rowscopes. This makes it easier for people using screen readers to navigate tables. It's not an urgent thing, but whenever I come across a table without scopes, I add them. MOS:DTAB has an example of how to code tables "properly". Thrakkx (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. You will find plenty of them in our project area—at least 2,000 of them, in fact. Also gonna show Mvcg66b3r this edit because he is a high-volume editor and would be likely to propagate the change to other pages.: Special:Diff/1038306035. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
No problem. It's nearly an invisible change for most readers, so don't stress too much about it, but now you know when the next time comes that you write a table. :) Hooray for accessibility. Thrakkx (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie and Thrakkx: As you said, there are thousands of subchannel tables, so I could use some help. Paging @Wcquidditch, Mrschimpf, Mattdp, Mlaffs, Tvtonightokc, LooneyTraceYT, and Dma37dude: Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I done my First One to KAKE, thank you. LooneyTraceYT comment • treats 20:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Carillon

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Triple Crown

Congratulations to Thrakkx, who is hereby awarded the Triple Crown for their impressive work on the article Carillon. Well done. Damien Linnane (talk) 04:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thrakkx. Congratulations on the award and thanks for nominating. As Triple Crowns are awarded in sets, your FL List of presidents of the University of Illinois system and your other DYKs have not been counted for this award. You will be eligible for the Imperial Triple Crown once you have a second GA to go with your additional DYKs and featured content. Cheers. Damien Linnane (talk) 04:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations

The Featured Article Medal
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 20:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Carillon scheduled for TFA

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November songs

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "The carillon is an Old World musical instrument, emerging from centuries-old, interconnected traditions of bell-ringing, time-keeping, metalworking, and more. It is one of the only musical instruments that you cannot play in private—everyone in earshot must bear witness to your performance. There are fewer than 1,300 carillons worldwide according to the most generous counts; it is fascinating to learn about an instrument where the population is a critical component to its existence. One of the biggest struggles for those who love this instrument is to spread awarnesss of it. My teacher calls the carillon "the world's longest and best kept secret." What better way than to have a high-quality, encyclopedic article freely available for all!" A secret no more! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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Execution pages format

Hello. At first I wasn't sure if changing the page formats and color was a good thing but actually on reflection I think it looks better. Good job. Could you change the remaining ones though for each list by year for consistency? It dates back to 2008 currently and there is also the scheduled execution page. Thank you. Inexpiable (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Inexpiable,
Sure thing. I'm glad you agree with the coloring. Introducing color into tables is difficult to pull off. It needs to be easy on the eyes in all reading environments, it shouldn't sharply contrast with the color of the (white or black) text, and most importantly, it needs to convey meaning the reader can quickly understand. Unfortunately, that last bit doesn't apply to the execution pages, since it seems that a random color was chosen for each year. I will definitely finish the remaining in due time. Thrakkx (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for the template, Bagumba. Thrakkx (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

NBA bio nationality

Hi there. Can you please discuss at WT:NBA your mass changes to remove nationality from the infobox? Per Template:Infobox basketball biography, the convention has been to not list country when its consistent w/ nationality. Feel free to establish a new consensus. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Bagumba Just so you know, per WP:CONLEVEL: Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. The wider-scale consensus, WP:INFONAT, overrides any opinion that the NBA WikiProject may have on the matter. There has been a whole arbitration case, which is linked on the page I quoted. Cheers. Thrakkx (talk) 03:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding WP:INFONAT, it does not say that the country must be included in the birthplace. It only says to not list it redundantly in both the birthplace and nationality. In your changes, they were not repeated; you merely moved it from nationality to the birthplace. I respectfully request that you establish the wider consensus for your edits and halt the mass changes for now.—Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

The wider consensus has already been established—no nationality listed for obvious cases. I will continue to remove the nationality, but for American players I will let the country remain omitted. Thanks. Thrakkx (talk) 14:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Next president

Mr. Trump will certain be the next president✊😝 2A01:5EC0:2000:352F:C9C8:F9BD:4874:1341 (talk) 12:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Article request

Wonder if you can fix this minor goof in the police interrogation section on Lee Harvey Oswald article: the current words, “went downstairs where he encountered Baker” give the impression Oswald said the encounter took place at the second floor lunchroom but Holmes clarifies that Oswald was talking about encountering the officer at the vestibule on the first floor by the front entrance. Holmes describes two set of doors which were in the building vestibule (which were a front lobby between two set of doors). I propose the paragraph could be rewritten to reflect Holmes’ testimony something like: “Oswald said he was at the first floor vestibule by the front entrance and wanted to see what the “commotion” was when he encountered an officer.” 213.107.87.105 (talk) 19:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi,
While I did edit his article recently, the changes were quite minor, and I would suggest that you propose these changes on the article's talk page. Someone more knowledgable can address your proposal. Thanks. Thrakkx (talk) 20:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

|language=en

This edit broke this and four other citation templates (search for the word glish in §References. Same with this edit and this edit.

It is not necessary to remove |language=en from articles at en.wiki. Remember that many upon many articles here are translated for use at other-language wikis where |language=en has meaning. This is especially true of medical articles.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to first remove |language=english in the future. Thrakkx (talk) 15:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
No, don't do that either. Leave |language=en and |language=English in the citation templates. They do no harm, there is no reason to remove them, and good reason to retain them.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
No, there isn't a good reason to retain them. I read other languages of Wikipedia; the templates there are (unsurprisingly) not written in English, so copy-pasting sources doesn't work like you suggest. |language=en does nothing on the German Wikipedia; they have to use |sprache=en. Anyone translating a source from the English Wikipedia to the German, independent of the presence of |language=en, will obviously know to add |sprache=en. All the field does for us on the English site is add cruft to the article. Thrakkx (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that you are mistaken. Yeah, de.wiki and other-language wikis have their own citation systems so physically translating |language=en to |sprache=en may be necessary. But, there are approximately 180 other-language wikis that support some version of the Module:Citation/CS1 suite of modules and templates. Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist contains the names of all parameters supported by cs1|2. Look at the contents of the various modules listed at Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist (Q11679506) and you will see that many support the English-language parameter names exclusively. Some, like tr:Modül:Kaynak/KB1/Beyazliste support parameter-names in their own languages as well as in English. Doing so makes it easy to import a cs1|2 citation from en.wiki and have it render correctly at the local wiki and when |language=en is present, cs1|2 can, if sufficiently up to date, render the (in English) annotation as it should using the local language's name for 'English'.
It used to be that |language=en and |language=English in a cs1|2 template caused Module:Citation/CS1 to populate a maintenance category. There were then automated or semi automated processes that trawled the articles in that category removing those parameters. As the result of discussion at Module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 11 § Language parameter, we changed the module so that the when |language= is assigned a value that matches the wiki's local language, the (in <language-name>}}) annotation is suppressed. Ultimately the automated processes stopped deleting |language=en and |language=English.
I think that I recall a discussion (though I don't remember where and when) where Editor Doc James stated that having citation templates with the |language= parameter was useful for the WP:MED/TTF (now at https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Translation_task_force). Editor Doc James does state at the bottom of the above mentioned discussion: I think it is good information to provide.
And two more points: making edits that do not change what readers see is considered cosmetic. Cosmetic edits are generally discouraged. And, cs1|2 templates created by automated processes, especially VE, very often include some flavor of |language=en. Without you create a bot to exclusively remove |language=en and |language=English, you will have no chance of ridding en.wiki of that cruft.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
It is very nice having the EN citations work in other languages from a translation perspective... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:26, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
English citation templates work fine in German without change for most parameters, - perhaps I should add "en". Trappist the monk, would a date format template also work in other languages? There are a few parameters of {{cite journal}} that are not supported there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Can you be more specific about what you mean by your date format and {{cite journal}} questions? Probably best to use my talk page for that?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to tell Thrakkx that German takes the citation templates unchanged. In case you want to reply here, "unchanged" means that a day given as 26 January 2022 would come that way in German, instead of 26. Januar 2022. I haven't tried {{start date}}. I receive error messages for cite journal for para=number. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd like your input

Hello pal. I made a bold edit to this page recently: List of people executed in the United States in 2022 and I would like your input as you are an experienced editor who has previously worked on these pages. These executions by year pages have always normally included scheduled executions for the year in a separate table beneath the ones that have occurred. Understandably, these scheduled executions are usually always changing. The issue is that these scheduled executions can already be found on the List of people scheduled to be executed in the United States page. It seems silly to me to have two pages saying the same thing so I have remodified the page with this edit: [1]

Do you think this makes sense or should it go back to how it was? This is how it used to be to give you an example: [2]. You had the execution list followed by the scheduled execution list. The problem is that this info is already found at List of people scheduled to be executed in the United States. So when an execution is stayed or cancelled, you would have to modify both tables on both pages. I summed up my reasoning on the talk page here: [3] But I wanted to get others input on this. Thanks. Inexpiable (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I only edited those pages to get rid of the unnecessary colors and make the tables more accessible to those using screen readers. However, I think your rationale is correct—we shouldn't be duplicating information like this across pages. My one criticism is that the "See also" template should be placed directly below the section header, like this. Thrakkx (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I agree it does look better like that. Inexpiable (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Marking edits as minor

Information icon Hi Thrakkx! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. --Cerebral726 (talk) 13:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, per WP:SHORTDESC, please try to keep short descriptions you are adding to 40 characters or less. Regardless, thanks for adding in all those short descriptions for articles that are needing them!--Cerebral726 (talk) 13:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi,
I am very well aware of the definition and significance of a minor edit. Using the short description helper on Wikipedia mobile apps automatically marks the edit as minor and (frustratingly) does not permit adding an edit summary. Only sometimes do I feel the need to use the clunky editor to get an edit summary in.
I am also very well aware of WP:SDSHORT as I frequently reduce the length of short descriptions (see my edit on rule of thumb). It's important to note that the 40-character limit is not hard-and-fast, but more of a general guideline. If the short description benefits from something just a bit longer, it is fine to extend past 40 characters. Thrakkx (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
That is strange that it marks it as minor automatically, since it clearly seems to fall outside of the accepted definition of minor. You might want to override that as you go along so that people who have minor edits turned off in their watchlists can make sure to catch that. Though if it's default perhaps there is a reason, I'll have to look into that! And I'm glad you are already aware, apologies that I implied you didn't already know. I only gave the mention to it since the one added for John Green was 55 character, which seems outside of the realm of just a bit longer. --Cerebral726 (talk) 14:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
It is so frustrating because the short description helper is so convenient. It takes a long time to load some pages on mobile. I really have no idea who to talk to in order to get the functionality improved. Thrakkx (talk) 14:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Good news! I just looked into it and there is a setting for "Mark edits as minor", info can be found here. I am looking at it on the desktop version which looks like this :inline. Hopefully changing that setting on desktop translates to mobile too?--Cerebral726 (talk) 14:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
I will test that out. Thrakkx (talk) 14:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
No, this doesn't work. After turning on the gadget for desktop, "Mark edits as minor" was unchecked by default. My edit to Eugene Burger was still marked as minor. Thrakkx (talk) 14:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Alan Ritchson and Cyrillic letter A

Hi. In the infobox education parameter of Alan Ritchson, the "А" in "Associate of Arts" was a "CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER A" (U+0410) instead of a normal Latin "A" (U+0041), causing a redlink as of your edit here. I fixed it. Are there more of these? Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:09, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I was going crazy trying to figure out why it was not linking before I became distracted. Thrakkx (talk) 13:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Carillon

The phoneme /ær/ is respelled arr, /ɛr/ err, and /ɛər/ air. You might need to read H:RESPELL and Mary–marry–merry merger before undoing my edit. serioushat 21:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out; it turns out I actually misspelled the American English IPA spelling according to the OED source, and as a result also fixed the respelling. Thrakkx (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Short description

Hi Thrakkx, I have reverted your edits on mma fighter regarding the above. You dont need to put the DoB on the short description (sd) as sd is just a very very brief description of the subject as it is not like the disamb pages. Cassiopeia talk 01:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, actually you should, and they are like the entries on disambiguation pages. Refer to WP:SDDATES, which states The inclusion of a date or date range is encouraged where it would improve the short description as a disambiguation, or enhance it as a descriptive annotation... that is the case at least for biographies... Thrakkx (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Why are you removing short descriptions?

Why are you removing short descriptions from LGBT articles like you did here? Funcrunch (talk) 21:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Per the purposes of a short description, they should be short and minimize duplications from the article title. You will notice that almost all "LGBT rights in..." and "LGBT culture in..." articles do not follow these guidelines. For example, they are typically way too long and duplicate the entire article title.
These articles really don't need a short description. Readers who arrive there already know what LGBT stands for (because these typically get traffic from other LGBT-related articles) as well as where the location is (for the same reason as before and because readers typically read about the places they are already familiar with).
Hope this helps. Thrakkx (talk) 21:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Then I recommend you include WP:SDNONE in your edit summaries, or some other concise explanation of why you're doing this, as surely more editors will be confused and revert you otherwise. Funcrunch (talk) 21:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I use the Shortdesc helper, which makes editing short descriptions much easier (and visible on desktop), but it doesn't allow me to add a custom edit summary. Pros and cons. I just assume editors will either contact me like you did, or look up the relevant guidance and find SDNONE themselves. Thrakkx (talk) 21:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Magic Box

Delicious and unrepentant, the spy gave no quarter.

Noiselessly she stole the sheet of music from the magic box.

Nerves of gold wire ran back from the wooden keys,

growths mooring the sudden and shorter notes.


Acceptable and perceptible, the silence quavered.

Handshook deliverance, unnatural purity:

a Friday custom roused their hearts.

Bells ring serenity and discipline.


Who doesn't love a good carillon? Joe (talk) 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Naming

I see the guidelines you're using to change Robert White (Washington, D.C. politician) to Robert White (Washington, D.C., politician) but I think you're missapplying them. The column after a geographic series is only a parenthetical when it's placed in a sentence, not a page title Bangabandhu (talk) 22:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bangabandhu: where do you see that guidance that parentheticals only exist within sentences? It does not say so on MOS:GEOCOMMA nor does it say so on Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Parenthetical comma. Thrakkx (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Those guidelines only refer to sentences, not titles. You don't need the parentheticals to offset parts of the title since it isn't a complete sentence. For titling, see WP:AT, which emphasizes concise titles. What's more concerning is that the title you've chosen for Robert White is now inconsistent with the other titles for Washington DC politicians who have the District's name in the title but don't have the doubled punctuation. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
You haven't shown any written guidelines specifying that parentheticals only exist in complete sentences, only guidelines that you claim imply that. For your second point, I would argue that the remaining <Name> (Washington, D.C. politician) articles should have an additional comma added, since the guidelines do not explicitly say that parentheticals don't apply to article titles. Finally, arguing that adding a single comma to an article title is less concise per WP:AT is ridiculous. It's a single character. Thrakkx (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I don't care enough about this to seek a remedy, but you are creating unwieldy titles that decrease readability. And the required changes aren't limited to DC. You will need to change things liks this - 2021 Kansas City, Kansas mayoral election. Or you could just revert your changes and leave well enough alone. Bangabandhu (talk) 22:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I will not revert my changes; they improve the encyclopedia by ensuring article titles meet the requirements of MOS:GEOCOMMA, which the both of us could not prove doesn't apply to titles. And again, adding a single character does not make these titles unwieldy, less readable, or less concise. You continue to make claims without any Manual of Style guidance to back you up.
I guess there's no point in following any portion of the Manual of Style if you can simply complain "but you have to make changes to hundreds, thousands of articles! Just leave well enough alone." No thanks, but I appreciate your pointing out my next line of work—fixing the Kansas City, Kansas, (and probably Kansas City, Missouri) election articles. Thrakkx (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no consensus for the changes you are making and you should seek it: WP:TITLECHANGE Bangabandhu (talk) 23:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
That guideline only discusses controversial article title changes. I would definitely not call this change controversial if you are the only one objecting and you “don't care enough about this to seek a remedy”. Also I see the guideline says [if] there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed, but I believe there is a good reason: GEOCOMMA. If other editors come to agree with you, then that changes things, but don’t go canvassing. Thrakkx (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Definitely guilty of WP:BOLDITIS

Thanks for fixing that on the LGBT representation in American adult animation page. I've definitely done incorrect bolding at the beginning of pages before, I think because I thought it was the way "things are done" on pages. I did go through a number of pages I created in the past to fix that this morning, so thanks for your edit on that page. --Historyday01 (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. We've all done it before, and only stop once we see the essay BOLDITIS or the guideline it is referencing (MOS:AVOIDBOLD). Thrakkx (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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