Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Vsevolod Meyerhold
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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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The museum doesn't seem to be notable, all sources just say that it exists. Artem.G (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Artem.G (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Museums and libraries and Russia. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:23, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - the building is listed as of 'federal significance' (the highest level) on the Russian cultural heritage register, the equivalent to a Grade I Listed building, or on the National Register of Historic Places - [1], [2]. The sources state it has the first memorial to Vsevolod Meyerhold. The museum and its people have been covered by TASS ([3], [4]), and local news outlets [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Spokoyni (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Links 1-2 are ok, 3-4 just mention that the museum exists, 5 is that 'museum will join some association', 6 is just ridiculous 'several neighborhoods are blackouted'. I didn't check links after this one. So, as I said before, most sources just acknowledge the existence of that museum, with nothing said about its history or exposition. Artem.G (talk) 21:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I pasted the wrong link, 6 should be [11]. ""Meyerhold's House" for me is a holy place, an island of freedom. Many great directors, like Valery Fokin, came here and “cleansed” their souls near the monument to the master, and we serve here." If we have multiple WP:RSs mentioning this museum, what are you looking for to show 'notability'? Spokoyni (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- I saw your recent expansion of the article, looks good! Now I agree that we should keep this article. And to answer your question, mentioning something doesn't make it notable if there is nothing there about the subject. Artem.G (talk) 08:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I pasted the wrong link, 6 should be [11]. ""Meyerhold's House" for me is a holy place, an island of freedom. Many great directors, like Valery Fokin, came here and “cleansed” their souls near the monument to the master, and we serve here." If we have multiple WP:RSs mentioning this museum, what are you looking for to show 'notability'? Spokoyni (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Links 1-2 are ok, 3-4 just mention that the museum exists, 5 is that 'museum will join some association', 6 is just ridiculous 'several neighborhoods are blackouted'. I didn't check links after this one. So, as I said before, most sources just acknowledge the existence of that museum, with nothing said about its history or exposition. Artem.G (talk) 21:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - I'll add that "doesn't seem to be notable" and "sources just say that it exists" are Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - WP:JUSTNOTABLE, Wikipedia:ASSERTN, etc. Has WP:BEFORE been done? Why were these other sources missed? Spokoyni (talk) 20:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep searching for the Russian name brings up plenty of news and book sources (most of which I can’t read) but there’s enough there to indicate notability. Mccapra (talk) 20:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Most Russian sources just state that the museum exists and you can visit it. Nothing I've seen says why is it notable. Artem.G (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Artem.G, per the relevant guideline, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Your nomination, by contrast, focuses on only the state of the article. Given that the AfD guidelines provide a checklist of steps to carry out before nominating an article, what steps did you take to assess the notability of this particular topic before nominating the article for deletion? Moreover, given that you proposed deleting seven articles (1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7) with nearly identical rationales within the span of just 10 minutes (one of which has already been closed as a speedy keep), what pre-nomination steps could you have even taken in that time? --Usernameunique (talk) 08:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, also a listed building.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOFEAT. Heritage-listed building. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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