Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Kale

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Little support for outright deletion. A merge could still be discussed elsewhere. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Jim Kale

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Non-notable musician. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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• Delete when our only source is a website connected with the band he was in, we have no real evidence for individual notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep - The nomination and previous vote are based on the current state of the article, with little evidence of a WP:BEFORE search or acknowledgement of WP:NEXIST. Jim Kale is an original member of the notable The Guess Who and is often the subject of media coverage, because he trademarked the band's name via crooked shenanigans and is still using it on the oldies circuit more than 40 years after the classic lineup split, causing great resentment. See e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Granted, today Kale is known for little else than being an enemy of the band's classic members and longtime fans, but he is also covered in many books that cover the band's classic years and their place in 60s/70s rock, easily found in a Google Books search. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Two of them are passing mentions and do not contribute to notability. The winnipegfreepress.com and brandonsun.com are interesting, but could easily be rolled up into the band's article. It was when I did BEFORE and found things like this at AllMusic, and britannica.com that made it clear that the subject did not have a place in music history outside of the band. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Merge to The Guess Who. Trillfendi (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:MUSICBIO and WP:BEFORE. He co-wrote the number one Platinum hit, American Woman, which was recorded by his band and Lenny Kravitz, amongst many others. He's in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame. Bearian (talk) 22:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I did do BEFORE and found mentions of him only when discussing the band or larger works. That means everything that can be written about him can be added to the band article. And, all of the MUSICBIO content would be for the band. As a song writer, he does not qualify for MUSICBIO, but possibly WP:COMPOSER. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep I have added that Kale was in another notable group Scrubbaloe Caine for four years, including when they had a Juno nomination. So rerouting to the Guess Who page would be inappropriate. Since 1978, he is the owner of the Guess Who trademark and essentially toured until 2018 using the name. That in addition to the other notable elements, co-writing American Woman, in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame etc. This is just an unnecessary and unjustified attack on a member of the classic lineup of an important band. Trackinfo (talk) 06:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • And yet being in two notable bands did not garner the subject significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Still only passing mentions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:COMPOSER and WP:MUSICBIO co-writing American Woman, in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame... --Kemalcan (talk) 09:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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