Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsuneyoshi Yamano
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 08:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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He is an amateur radio operator. Set a Guinness record for furthest radio signal contact in 1984. Been in leadership positions in amateur radio associations in Japan. In the Category:Amateur radio people, a random sample of 20 people found astronauts, noble prize winners, actors, business people but none with just amateur radio as their nobility. Bgwhite (talk) 20:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. As far as amateur radio operators go, I think he's got a good claim of notability. Satisfies WP:GNG. Pburka (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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KeepWeak Keep/ hmm...(Changed my mind; if sources for these claims cannot be found by closing of this AfD, count my vote as Delete)(Kusunose found new sources; changed my mind again). Is it inconsistent to have a Category:Amateur radio people with 96 people in it, and then not have articles on the most notable people in amateur radio (hereafter known as Hams, from Ham radio)? Or are people who are in only amateur radio only notable because of their secondary life activity, the category is only there for amusement, and we should have no articles about Hams at all, other than Amateur radio operator? The nomination is already missing the first part of the logical equation. If, WP policy is to be, as I believe it should be, the former, then the nomination's only pro-deletion rationale (amongst two good rationales for Keeping) is also invalid. I note that there are 96 articles in Category:Amateur radio people.
- I did not expect to find articles that broke Bgwhite's mould of 'Hams notable for something else', but I persevered, and a search for "god of ham radio" on Google led to Hiram Percy Maxim, whose WP article leads with, "co-founder of the American Radio Relay League" Now you may recognize the name Maxim as being the same as the Maxim in Maxim gun and you'd be partly right; the inventor of that device was Hiram's father. So it is no surprise to hear that Hiram's other invention, a modification to the infamous weapon, became known as the Maxim Silencer (notice that it has no article) and Hiram became known as its inventor, well, I'd venture, mostly because of being easily linked via his famous father's name to the invention of the first self-powered machine gun. Anarchangel (talk) 07:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Sounds like you know about HAM radio. What exactly had Mr. Yamano done in HAM radio that makes him notable? It sounds like your argument is that HAM operator should be notable on their own terms, thus Mr. Yamano should have an article. I'm sure there are notable HAM people. But, what has he done as a HAM operator that makes him notable?
- The "WINDS" web site lists nothing about him. Can't find that he has been granted the patent. Articles have been deleted for only having a Guinness record. Bgwhite (talk) 08:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Excuse me for a moment while I get the words you put in my mouth out, and I will take your questions in order:
- I don't. "he contributed much to the amateur radio’s developments"; ("much" and "the" should be removed and "developments" should be made singular, but otherwise I agree with that statement). My argument is that unless one assumes that Ham radio operators are not notable, he should not be excluded from consideration, as the nominator has done. I am glad you agree with me on that point. Specifically, his place in the leadership of Ham associations, and his co-invention of wireless hardware.
- I don't take the Guinness record very seriously, but it does go to notability.
I admit to being very disappointed with sourcing for the claims, though. I even found the English version of the MacWorld 2002 event page, and it does not mention him. http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/mw/en/index.html . Also could find nothing at all about the Institute for Satellite Communication, except for in Austria, when the article places it in Vanuatu. If sources for these claims cannot be found by closing of this AfD, count my vote as Delete.Anarchangel (talk) 15:49, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]- See the new work done on sourcing by Kusunose, below. Anarchangel (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Sounds like you know about HAM radio. What exactly had Mr. Yamano done in HAM radio that makes him notable? It sounds like your argument is that HAM operator should be notable on their own terms, thus Mr. Yamano should have an article. I'm sure there are notable HAM people. But, what has he done as a HAM operator that makes him notable?
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:48, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete his WR does not seem notable at all, and besides that he has nothing that may be considered actually notable. An amateur radio operator cannot possibly be notable. Nergaal (talk) 18:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have updated the link to Japanese Patent Office in the article and verified he is named as one of ten inventors for the patent. And while the English version of the MacWorld 2002 event page does not mention him, the referenced Japanese page does. I have also updated "WINDS" link that lists a company named Yamano (presumably related to him) as a joint experiment conductor for the Vanuatu experiment. --Kusunose 15:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you very much. I withdraw my conditional vote. I am quite happy to leave the Guiness record out (no one seems to have liked it much anyway) and include this article on the strength of the other achievements alone. I would hope that this would be the furthest extent of the borderline for articles on Ham radio operators, though. Anarchangel (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan Talk Contributions 00:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep Well-enough verified, marginal inherent notability. --joe deckertalk to me 17:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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