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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 4, 2025.

Zhan 66 desktop

Zhan 66 desktop → List of HP business desktops (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in List Article. Also non notable by itself. Blethering Scot 23:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I use arch btw

I use arch btw → Arch Linux (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect; term is never mentioned in target Heyaaaaalol (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's a meme. {{r from meme}}? Paradoctor (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Meme is never mentioned in target Heyaaaaalol (talk) 07:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that should change? Paradoctor (talk) 07:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nothing about this at the target, either useless or surprising (or both), depending on what you're looking for. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peninsular State

Peninsular State → Florida (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Either disambiguate or just delete given that it does not seem to be a very common nickname for any of the locations it has been used to describe (less than 500 pageviews in nearly a decade of existence). Regardless, it shouldn't redirect specifically to Florida, as dictionary.com has quotations ([1]) indicating that the term has been variously applied to Qatar, Baja California Sur, and North Korea. Anonymous 21:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, ambiguous as nom points out, and otherwise too vague and WP:UNHELPFUL for a dab, which are for concrete titles/words/names/etc that share multiple topics, rather than vague descriptions that could refer to multiple topics. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Google returns lots of different places such as in Spain and India. Cornwall could be described as a peninsular state and note that some people want Cornwall to be a separate country (though probably not a sovereign state) rather than a state like a US state in being a sub national division of England like Florida. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Women will be having more sex with ROBOTS than men by 2025

Women will be having more sex with ROBOTS than men by 2025 → The Sun (United Kingdom) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It is unlikely that people will search this tweet from 2016 looking for general information about the newspaper that posted it. JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 18:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, obviously, possibly WP:R3, and possibly a WP:DAFT candidate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; none of the sources are reliable enough to add an entry on List of Internet phenomena [that would serve as a target for this redirect]. I requested R3 after this RfD was opened and was declined. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify: I did a simple web search to see if I could add an entry to the above list and only found mostly tabloids and user-generated sources. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Does not pass the test of time. Didn't last even a decade. Fieari (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isolationist ambient

Isolationist ambient → Ambient music#Isolationist ambient music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Dark ambient#Isolationism as the section has been moved there. 2600:1000:B16B:EA1E:9C3F:635A:5A84:6985 (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If that's where the content is, then yeah sure, retarget per nom. I think this type of retargetting would have been fine to do boldly rather than via RFD. BugGhost 🦗👻 18:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Negation (arithmetic)

Negation (arithmetic) → Additive inverse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Plain false. Arithmetic has no "negation", only a "negative". "Negation" is a logical term: Weisstein, Eric W. "Negation". MathWorld. Retrieved 2025-01-04. Paradoctor (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep -- weak because it's an unlikely search term with the disambiguator slapped on, but keep because it is in fact, perfectly correct as a term for inverting the sign of something. Mathworld is quirky and shouldn't be relied on as a sole determiner for this kind of thing. See e.g. this doc page at MDN, referencing the unary negation operator, which is arithmetic in nature, and not logical. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is programming slang. But this redirect is explicitly about the term in mathematics, where "negation" is used only for the logical operator. You're welcome to prove me wrong with an authoritative mathematics encyclopedia/dictionary ref. All definitions of negation as additive inverse I could find were about the programming use. I did do a little due diligence before editing. Paradoctor (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep: I've now sourced the term "arithmetic negation" citing a mathematical book issued by a reputable publisher. The redirect had been created to make more explicit its use in Negation (disambiguation), where the redirect target was already listed. Finally, please note Unary operation#Negation also mentions the term (now linked to the redirect). fgnievinski (talk) 01:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rated FTR

Rated FTR → Edge (wrestler)#Rated FTR (2024–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Amgiuguous term. It is only breifly mentioned in Edge (wrestler) and FTR (professional wrestling). Internal search of the topic shows some articles including this work just link to FTR (professional wrestling). (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I say redirecting it to FTR (professional wrestling) is the best way to handle this. Lemonademan22 (talk) 06:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roberto Guidetti

Roberto Guidetti → 7 Gold (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Guidetti is not mentioned at the linked target article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Was an article before being redirected as failing WP:GNG as implied in edit summaries in page history. Created by a sock with an undisclosed COI and possibly links to a similar effort back in 2015, who was subsequently blocked per ANI thread in late September 2024 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingeksace). Even if the Vitasoy CEO or an article related to the biologist species:Roberto Guidetti were viable redirect targets, the page history should go. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rehabilitation (addiction)

Rehabilitation (addiction) → Drug rehabilitation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Drug addictions are not the only kind of addictions^{[citation needed]}, nor is drug rehabilitation the only kind of addiction rehabilitation out there. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Treatment and management of addiction; in addition to one mention in the article text itself, at least two sources quoted in the References section use the word. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested target.
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Comment: I also notified Talk:Addiction. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Treatment and management of addiction as a better target, per nom's argument. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

USS Zhukov (NCC-62136)

USS Zhukov (NCC-62136) → Starship Enterprise#The Next Generation era (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Zhukov" is not mentioned at the target article, and this is a completely separate ship in-universe. This was redirected in 2006, apparently failing even that era's notability standards. It was pointed at a target that then got redirected into the article that was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek Starfleet starships, but this redirect got pointed elsewhere somehow and didn't get deleted with that content. This can be safely deleted. Hog Farm _Talk 04:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree it can be deleted - the parenthetical registry number makes it an unlikely search term. If there's an inclination toward a more appropriate redirect direct, Data's Day fits the bill, as it's the first time this particulars ship appears on screen. That said, the Zhukov' trivial appearance is not mentioned at that article, either. --EEMIV (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the pre-redirect page history?
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I'm not concerned about the pre-redirect history. This would have zero chance of surviving an AFD in 2025, and even in 2006 was not considered to be notable, especially given the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek Starfleet starships. Hog Farm _Talk 01:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plebism

Plebism → Halkçılık (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Plebism is a (rarely used) word that had defined economic slavery in the Ancient Rome. Folkism is traditional translation of Halkçılık. The redirect was created by a blocked vandal. Delete it. Викидим (talk) 06:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. It's not in Merriam-Webster or the OED as an attested English word. Tevildo (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Melee weapon

Melee weapon → Weapon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This page was apparently deleted, so I'm not even sure why it remains a redirect. But that said, it being a redirect raises issues about its target, which is vague and could be weapon, melee, or even Role-playing game terms (since it's almost entirely a term used in gaming, not real life). I'd personally rather just see it deleted entirely and the search function being able to be used, but my second choice would be the glossary of RPG terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google hits are mostly RPGs, but there's also List of premodern combat weapons § Melee weapons. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 01:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of premodern combat weapons#Melee weapons. BD2412 T 03:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per BD2412. The diacritic version Mêlée weapon should be updated to match. – Fayenatic London 18:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I didn't even know that existed, but it's pure WP:OR nonetheless. Their articles and history texts don't mention these being "melee weapons" nor was that part of the original classification. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Melee I guess - the listing of premodern combat weapons is too narrow of a target. For instance, this topic would cover weapons designed for close quarters trench fighting in WWI, or in various roleplaying games. Hog Farm _Talk 04:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Refine to Weapon#By function if someone decides to/can add a brief description of a "melee weapon" there prior to this discussion being closed. Weak delete since the title has WP:REDLINK potential that Weapon or Melee doesn't completely cover Very weak retarget to Melee per Hog Farm since it's better than the current target. OPPOSE "Retarget to List of premodern combat weapons#Melee weapons" entirely per Zxcvbnm's follow-up comment. Steel1943 (talk) 15:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though I just discovered that Blunt instrument exists (and may need to be considered as a retargeting option if the scope of the article means to include both terms ... not sure, and Blunt instrument is at WP:AFD currently anyways), I'm currently staying with my aforementioned stance. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of the discussion at the current and suggested targets. The AfD of Blunt instrument closed as No Consensus.
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Western civilization

Western civilization → Western culture (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Western civilisation → Western culture (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Western Civilization → Western culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Western Civilisation → Western culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Following RfD in 2022, this was retargeted to Western culture (disambiguation), but challenged within weeks by User:Archer1234 (who I belive did not noticed the RfD at all, but made a good point that there was incosistency with the target of Western civilisation). I'd also add that there is a ton of links to those terms, so piping them to a disambig is problematic (pinging non-blocked participants of 2022 RfD: User:Furius, User:Carchasm, User:El cid, el campeador). There is no perfect solution, but I think the best solution would be to retarget this to Western world which is a broader concept. Arguably, we might also want to rename "Western world" to "Western civilization" (discussion started). The Western culture is only about culture, world and civilization are IMHO larger in scope and similar to one another, and if there is confusion, it is the 'world' concept that is more ambiguous, isn't it? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't see what the inconsistency is. People talking about "Western civilization" might mean the western world or western culture or the other options on the dismbig page, so the disambig page is a good place to send people. It also encourages people linking to "western civilization" to choose the appropriate concept rather than assuming that linking to western civilization will magically go to the version of the concept that they have in mind. Furius (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I've added the "s" spelling and the Title Case redirects given nom mentioned the inconsistency with the target of related redirects. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change to consistent target of Western culture (disambiguation). An ambiguous term should point to disambiguation page. Oppose the proposal to change the target to Western world, as the latter is much better defined term. Викидим (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

⚧︎

⚧︎ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚲ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚧️ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚤ → Heterosexuality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚦ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚧ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Last discussion suggests to retarget. Another comment is that ⚧︎ is also used as a toilet pictogram, and they are all covered in Gender_symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. LIrala (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear what you are proposing. Gonnym (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to the last section mentioned. LIrala (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of retargeting them all to LGBTQ symbols. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget all to Gender symbols#Sexual orientation and gender politics, which discusses all of them, including the ⚤ sign denoting heterosexuality, which would otherwise be an outlier. — The Anome (talk) 09:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Offensive content in YouTube

Offensive content in YouTube → YouTube moderation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There might be a few places this could redirect to, including YouTube and YouTube moderation. I've recently declined a speedy request on the basis that this is probably a useful redirect title, though I do want to hear other opinions on which way the best way forward. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd suggest retargetting to Censorship by Google#YouTube, which is where our most comprehensive coverage of the topic is currently. Elsagate might also be possible, although that's just one well-known example, and perhaps not general enough. Tevildo (talk) 18:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Geoguessr World Cup 2024

Geoguessr World Cup 2024 → GeoGuessr#GeoGuessr World Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should redirect to GeoGuessr World Cup#GeoGuessr World Cup 2024. Weirdguyz (talk) 04:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Weirdguyz. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: notified Talk:GeoGuessr World Cup of this discussion. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom. Obviously better target. Fieari (talk) 00:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doris Helga Fischer-Colbrie

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) J 947 ‡ ^edits 06:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doris Helga Fischer-Colbrie → Doris Fischer-Colbrie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Deletion of the redirect because there is no evidence for the "Helga" name in the sources. MathKeduor7 (talk) 03:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per [2]. J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, per above comment of J947 (thanks!). MathKeduor7 (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Portal:Game development

Portal:Game development → Portal:Video games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There's nothing on game development in the Video games portal User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some form of cleanup is likely needed here beyond this. This was an abortive attempt to form a portal in 2014 that was redirected here in 2016. While the portal was never really actually completed it looks like, there are still old coprolites hanging around like Portal:Game development/Selected biography/1 and Portal:Game development/Intro. Hog Farm _Talk 01:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026–27 Serie A

2026–27 Serie A → Serie A (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, making it a misleading redirect to anybody who searches for this title. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AY Rwanda

AY Rwanda → Simplice Himbaza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Artist who performs under the name AY, from Rwanda. Doesn't seem to be referred to as "AY Rwanda" and a quick search of the phrase doesn't bring him up either. Rusalkii (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Users who know him as "AY Rwanda" will likely search for this specific term. Deleting the redirect could lead to frustration and difficulty in locating the correct article. Redirects ensure smooth navigation, especially for less formal or popularly known names. Vikingsam (talk) 10:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. My searches don't turn any up any places where this person is known by the name "AY Rwanda" either. Happy to reconsider if User:Vikingsam or others find such references. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026–27 La Liga

2026–27 La Liga → La Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, making it a misleading redirect to anybody who searches for this title. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wittekind Prinz zu Waldeck and Pyrmont

Wittekind Prinz zu Waldeck and Pyrmont → Wittekind, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Odd mix of German and English (should be "und", not "and") that is never used. Was at this title for all of two minutes, appears to have been an error by the creator. Rusalkii (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026–27 Bundesliga

2026–27 Bundesliga → Bundesliga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, making it a misleading redirect to anybody who searches for this title. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shady job

Shady job → Yami Baito (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

General term that shouldn't redirect to this particular form of shady job. Quick google suggests vast majority of English usage isn't referring to the Japanese concept. Rusalkii (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

The reason I created the redirect from Shady job to Yami Baito is that in the Japanese version of article , it was written as (英:Shady job). I was going to suggest renaming the article, but as I usually use the Japanese version, I did not know how to suggest renaming the English version, so I created the redirect.

Since the other party's opinion stated that it was about Japan, I would appreciate it if you could suggest renaming it to "Shady job in Japan".

Thank you.--Tomo.s.429 (talk) 05:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]