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RfC: Shorten the recall petition period?

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To anyone unfamiliar with this, admin recall is a new process that is exactly what it sounds like. Currently, there is a 30 day petition period: if 25 people sign it, the admin then needs to pass a new RfA within 30 days to keep the tools. Should we change the petition period?

  • Option A: Keep the petition period the same (30 days)
  • Option B: Change the petition period to 7 days
  • Option C: Some other time period (like 14 or 15 days?) that's longer than a week but shorter than a month.

Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edited to satisfy WP:RFCNEUTRAL CNC (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CommunityNotesContributor: Next time, please wait more than a few minutes before editing other people's comments. Thanks. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note - This RFC was initially started at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Shorten_the_recall_petition_period? before being moved to this page by WhatamIdoing. Soni (talk) 05:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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  • B. Geez, an RFA is bad enough. If there aren't enough editors who jump on an admin recall within a week, meaning there is a strong community opinion that the specific recall has to happen, then it's not worth it. Steel1943 (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The RFC question should be neutral, personal comments can go together with a !vote. Where is the RFCBefore? Selfstudier (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't have much experience with RfCs. What did I do wrong? Does this change solve your concerns? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC), edited 19:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Probably need to replace the following excerpt:

    "I think a community recall process is useful but it's clear to me that many people in the current recall petition think that 30 days is way too long for this part of the process, so I think it's worth formally seeing if this has support."

    ...with something like:

    "I propose to change the length of time the recall is open, and here are some potential options:"

    ...or something like that. Steel1943 (talk) 19:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) WP:RFCNEUTRAL is sometimes interpreted to mean that the transcluded part of an RfC should not have statements like it's clear to me that many people in the current recall petition think that 30 days is way too long. Sdkb talk 19:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep. The RFCbefore should be a link to the relevant discussion where this potential change was discussed before the RFC, presumably the current recall petition. Selfstudier (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was trying to avoid potentially canvassing as it an ongoing discussion. But I do think my statement is an accurate reflection of what is going on over at Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Graham87 and that it is neutral to simply describe that consensus. Regardless, I can rephrase things if that makes it less problematic. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like option B, because that's how long an RfA would be. While other people are clearly upset with other parts of the process, I would like to keep this RfC limited to the length of the petition period. Feel free to start your own RfC on other aspects of desired. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This RFC is significantly premature. There is a large amount of RFC before currently happening at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Avoiding a long month of drama, including discussion of petition periods. Rough consensus there is to wait until after the dust settles on the first recall petition (and any subsequent re-RFA) and use that time to workshop a well-crafted RFC to address all the issues. I strongly encourage Clovermoss to withdraw this and contribute there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, that's where it is. Selfstudier (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I only started this because I was asked to. In any case, this is already way more well-advertised than that discussion is, because I haven't even heard of it yet. I posted to CENT and AN already. I don't think it's necessarily premature when dozens of people clearly want something to change. I don't think waiting a few days would make them suddenly change their minds. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nevertheless, it is a proper RFCBefore. Selfstudier (talk) 19:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) I didn't participate in any part of the consensus forming to create this new process, so I disagree about withdrawing this discussion. In addition, it seems that the current active recall petition is turning into a cluster, so I think this RFC is quite warranted and not premature at all. Steel1943 (talk) 19:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess its just that usually, the policy page is the last step, not the first :) Selfstudier (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, this whole implementation was probably a mess. Either way though, that currently-active recall ... since it seems there is no type of restrictions on how editors can comment in it, in the current state of the recall petition, I gotta give the admin under recall some props because if I had to deal with a basically uncensored recall like that, I'd just turn in my tools to shut the recall down and then think if I want to still edit on Wikipedia after that. Steel1943 (talk) 20:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Given this isn't being withdrawn as premature: Option A until after the first petition (and any subsequent RRFA) has concluded, at which point we should have a sober debrief without any knee-jerk proposals that consider everything in totality, including but not limited to duration. I also endorse Levivich's comments below. Thryduulf (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Too soon. I think we need more 'before' discussion before running RfCs on changing the policy/procedure, and that we should wait until at least the signature phase ends. - Donald Albury 20:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option B. The recall petition being longer than the potential WP:RRfA in question is illogical, so reducing the time-frame to 7 days makes the most sense here in line with RfA time-frame. Fundamentally, if there aren't 25+ editors who have serious issues with an admin within the time-span of a week, there is no good reason to be taking them to RfA. I admittedly haven't read all of the RFCBEFORE, but I have seen recall in action and at present its far from ideal. Apologies to Clovermoss for editing RfC, won't happen again. CNC (talk) 20:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B For starters, the idea lab discussion is multifaceted and not exclusive of this discussion. While the idea lab may ultimately come up with a better overall solution to RECALL, the time aspect is an obvious issue. We don't have to be bureaucratic and wait for the idea lab discussion to end. We can shorten the time that a petition runs, and still be thinking about ways to rework the process.
    On the merits, we have to remember the human dimension: admins are people. Being in the lurch for an entire month is an enormous stress on a person. For me, my RfA was the single most stressful week of my life--even more so than the bar exam! I can't imagine being at RECALL for an entire month, and then also having to re-RfA. If you can't collect 25 signatures in a week, then there's no way you're gonna get 40%+ of the community to oppose a re-RfA. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B seems reasonable per length-based reasons I gave when this first came up. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. Would also support a shorter timeframe of 24-72 hours. Tazerdadog (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B if we're keeping a limit of 25 for a petition, although I do find it a bit funny that the community is reneging on a consensus established less than 2 months ago. Mach61 20:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option C - 14 days. I believe 7 days is quite short, and risks becoming a huge furore each time a new petition is started. 14 days feels jsut right, editors should be able to find the problems and report them without canvassing or similar. My second preference is B, and third is A. I am explicitly against a no consensus outcome. Soni (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature - it hasn't even been 7 days since the first petition was started. How can any of us know whether 7 days or 15 or 30 is the right amount of time, since so far we've had zero petitions of any of those durations? There are also other factors to consider, such as whether the number of signatures should be reduced if the time frame is reduced, since the signature threshold and timing were discussed together, at length, in Phase 2 at WP:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall § Initiation procedure. Similarly, whether the "cooling-off period" should be reduced if the petition duration is reduced. We don't have enough data to make a decision about this yet. Things we should learn before deciding include: whether (or how often) people add or remove their signatures during the petition period, to what extent discussion results in people adding/removing their signatures, whether people will wait until the last day to sign, how often people start new petitions, and whether different petitions all end up looking the same or different (in terms of temperature, outcome, who signs them, etc.). Levivich (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B, if we're voting on this now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature agree with Thryduulf and Levivich. We don't know enough yet to make a determination on the length. Some editors think the first one is unwarranted (for various reasons), and this RfC just seems like a reactive measure based on those sentiments. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A or extend to a year, with rolling petitions like dewiki, alternatively abolish recall. The Graham87 recall petition is a mess because of back and forth arguing by supporters, which has no place on the petition page at all. Either the petition hits the quorum (and then we can have the seven day RfA-like bloodbath if we must) or it does not. A short period just makes the admin recall process usable only for cases that would have been handled by ArbCom anyway. —Kusma (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. 30 days was a logical choice when rolling petitions were on the table, but once they were overwhelmingly rejected, a month-long process made considerably less sense. One week is more than enough to gauge community sentiment, and it will make for a much less painful process for everyone involved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I can certainly understand why folx see this as premature, I still believe we should address the issue sooner rather than later. 30 days is too long when you consider the person on the other end of the screen — thirty days of what will always be a negative experience irrespective of the merits of the recall, followed by potentially seven more days of the near-universally agreed upon "most stressful week on-wiki" is just unfair. I'm torn between option B (a week may well be a little too short to adaquately capture a good percentage of community feedback) and option C (on the other hand, anything more than 15 days starts to feel excessive again). If pressed I'd opt for shorter though, so option B. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 22:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B or C (15 days), 30 days is way too much. Still in favor of limiting the amount of discussion, although that will likely be a separate follow-up RfC. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. On the one hand, I agree with editors that this RfC is premature; we really should wait with any proposals to change this thing until the first run of it is completely over. On the other hand, I've been saying for as long as this recall process has been discussed that the "consensus" in favor of enacting it has been egregiously rushed through. So there's a certain justice in chopping away at it this early. And on my third hand (hey, I'm actually a fish, so I can claim anything about my anatomical structure), I oppose the whole thing anyway, so anything that chips away from it is good with me. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. The period of angst for the admin should match the length of RfA (and the default length of deletion discussions) in order to give adequate time for those who might wish to support to discover the petition and decide whether to sign it. It seems perverse to have a longer period for considering whether to require a new RfA than for considering whether to support one, and it's cruel and unusual punishment, to borrow a phrase. The mention in this discussion of signatories having the option to withdraw their signatures is the first such mention I've seen. I admit I don't think I participated in the discussions of this recall proposal; I've supported one or two preceding proposals, but I have a dim memory of looking and finding this one so complex that I didn't understand the options on the table well enough to vote in the then open RfC; and I also admit I haven't read all the comments on the current petition page in response to those of us registering our dissent. But there isn't even any provision made for the admin to make points in their defence; 30 days of this is more than 4 times as bad as 7 days of RfA responding to a multitude of questions while obeying the unofficial guidance not to respond to "Oppose" !votes. The community has in my view experimentally established that the process is flawed in respect to the petition period length. It shouldn't require huge amounts of bureaucracy to learn from this, just as if the community has lost trust in an admin it shouldn't require 30 days to get 25 signatures to a proposal to force a reconfirmation discussion, especially with bludgeoning of dissenters. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B or C (suggest 10 days). Not opposed to admin recall in principle, but the current set-up feels like cruel and unusual punishment. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B>C>A I've laid out my opinion at several pages (Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Administrator_recall#Initiation_procedure being the most pertinent). In short, a month is uncomfortably long and allows petitions to stagnate. Sincerely, Dilettante 23:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature per Levivich; Option A if nothing else. Trout on toast dinner for Clovermoss. SerialNumber54129 23:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B with a caveat -- not explicitly 7 days, but "whatever duration RFA is" at the time. But prefer abolish recall as the better option. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 00:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option B per my comments here. I support having a recall process, but not as it is currently setting up. This is one of a few changes I think are needed, and probably the most major. Daniel (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. Not premature – there is no reason problems must exist for a period of time before we are allowed to solve them. I am torn on whether this should happen retroactively or not. It feels unfair to put someone through more petition hell; it feels unfair to change the rules in the middle of the game, so to speak. I think I land on changing the rules to help the players (i.e. apply retroactively), but I am open to being convinced otherwise. (It now occurs to me that this discussion will probably wrap up after the current petition ends, and I doubt a new one will be opened in that time. Hopefully this is a purely academic discussion, but I spent too long agonizing about it to not include it in this post.) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    there is no reason problems must exist for a period of time before we are allowed to solve them it's not about being allowed to solve them, but about having enough knowledge to know what the problems actually are and what alternatives will solve them. The issue most people have is not so much the length of time of the petition but the nature of the petition, and only changing the time will not solve that. Thryduulf (talk) 01:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't need anything more than having gone through a week-long RfA to know that a month in the spotlight is too long, and that a week is plenty of petition scrutiny. And at VPI there appears to be pretty strong consensus that the length is at least part of the problem – so I support fixing it now. YMMV, of course. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A only because this should wait a bit and see how the policy works, going by one troublesome instance is not the proper basis for a decision on just one aspect of it. Selfstudier (talk) 00:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Think it through. If you tell people they've got to get 25 signatures in 7 days, then they will plan. They will draw up draft petitions in userspace, gather support and evidence and diffs, and then transclude when they're good and ready. The scrutiny will take just as long but the target won't be aware of it or have the right of reply.
There's no way to have community recall without longwinded community scrutiny of sysops.—S Marshall T/C 00:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S Marshall, the target doesn't have an explicit right of reply in the petition process as it now is. The purpose of the Discussion section is undefined, and there is neither a questions nor an oppose section. The pushback has in large part been occasioned by the presence of discussion in itself, and the current target was given well-intentioned advice to ignore the petition. Whereas when there isn't a petition, including if one is being drafted, the potential target has the same opportunity and obligations under ADMINACCT of any admin to respond to expressed concerns about their conduct. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The target does seem to have been able to reply, though! It's all happened with his knowledge and with plenty of input from him.
This proposal would end that. 25 signatures in 7 days is an extraordinary requirement, considering we don't get that much engagement even with Arbcom cases. A 7-day process requiring 25 signatures reduces the odds of success to near-zero, which I'm sure is why nervous sysops are rushing to support it. Initiators will respond by preparing their petitions privately or off-wiki, canvassing support privately or off-wiki, gathering diffs privately or off-wiki, to enhance their chances of success.
Whatever the rules are, people will game them. Obviously, there are people who'll flock to all or most recall RfAs !voting support; equally obviously, people dislike this process are going to brigade every single reconfirmation RfA opposing the desysopping and complaining that we shouldn't have community de-adminship at all. We need to set the rules so they're harder to game. Allowing more time for discussion and greater transparency is a key part of that.—S Marshall T/C 14:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be worse for them to be unaware though, if people think the duration that they're aware of it is what is causing them stress? I do think being able to address issues might be helpful if they're made aware, but that doesn't necessarily need to be part of the formal recall process. Alpha3031 (t • c) 02:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why one of the suggestions in the meaningful discussion is for the petitioner to present a short statement of why they are raising the petition and the admin to get a similarly-sized reply (if they choose), but everyone else limited to either just a signature or a signature plus a few words. Discussion on the talk page would be permitted but maybe restricted to keep decorum, other venues like the admin's talk page would not be restricted. Thryduulf (talk) 09:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That suggestion would displace the discussion about open recall petitions to other venues. It would not prevent the discussion from happening.—S Marshall T/C 19:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The aim is not to prevent discussion completely, but to dissuade it and make it less prominent. It would almost certainly achieve the latter and the former is certainly possible. I don't know yet whether I support that idea (we don't have anywhere near enough information to make that decision, and cannot before at least one petition has concluded), but it is something that is worth considering. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well. If it takes you more than 5 minutes to consider it, then knock yourself out. Reflect about which off-wiki sites will host the discussions you want to dissuade and conceal. Take your time.—S Marshall T/C 23:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B as the best of the options, noting that with all these !votes it is too late to shelve this RfC. Zerotalk 00:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A I agree with others that changing this is premature. It also doesn't seem like the right lever to pull. If discussion is the problem, then require that the petition contain nothing but signatures and a particular paragraph identifying it as such a petition. I'd also like to suggest that if the time is shortened, the number of signatures required should be reduced as well to avoid neutering the mechanism; these can't really be decided independently. McYeee (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not unusual for an RfA to have more than a hundred participants in a seven day timeframe. If there aren't enough signatures in 7 days, a brand new RfA is likely to be pointless anyways. I honestly think this is the best compromise to keep almost everyone happy (keep the recall process but also make it less cruel). I'm one of the people that actually supported the recall process being implemented in its current form. I supported a month because other options like a year sounded too cruel. I also didn't expect a petition in itself to be so dramatic. I thought people would save all the arguing for an actual RfA if things progressed to that point. People are allowed to change their minds instead of just sitting there watching everything happen. I try to be someone that acts if I think I can do something to help, even if my intentions don't always shine through. Not all of this is directed at you personally by the way, I just figured I'd respond since this argument has been echoed a few times. If my counterargument isn't convincing then so be it. Sometimes reasonable people disagree with each other. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC), edited 01:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is exactly what is being discussed at VPI and why you should have done some discussion beforehand rather than launching an incompletely thought out RFC. Your problem is not with the time but with the discussion being "dramatic". Thryduulf (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you misunderstand my perspective here. As for launching an incompletely thought out RFC, that's very much your opinion. I think before I act and I wouldn't have done so if I didn't think this was worth doing. I think we're not likely to convince each other at this point so maybe we can just agree to disagree? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fully-thought out RFCs don't get launched without RFC before, duplicate an ongoing pre-RFC discussion, or need non-trivial edits after launching. I'll grant you that it is theoretically not absolutely impossible that all the problems with a process can be correctly and fully identified, and workable solutions that will actually fix those problems without worse unintended consequences fully developed when the first instance of that process is less than a quarter of the way through, but it is at the very least extremely improbable. If you wish to continue asserting that, despite all of this, the RFC isn't premature then we aren't going to be able to have a rational and objective discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 03:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm very inexperienced with RfCs, that doesn't mean I can't have fully thought out my actions. As far as I can tell, I followed WP:RFCST. If you want to give me open feedback on how the process is supposed to work that isn't spelt out in black and white, do it on my talk page, but I don't think it's fair to imply my actions as reckless. As I already said, I was not aware of the idea lab discussion. I'm not the only one who found it difficult to find, it obviously wasn't well publicized. But changing one small thing that is obviously causing issues now doesn't mean people can't discuss other options. One of the main pieces of advice that I've read about RfCs is to be simple and not make them complicated. So it's honestly a shock to me that you seem to prefer the latter. Why?
    As for my inexperience with RfCs, I'm really not kidding: there's this and this. Not the best track record but as always, I'm willing to learn. But those two experiences made me feel like maybe the intricacies of RfCs aren't for me, kind of like how I've never closed a discussion. It's why I even suggested someone other than me start the RfC! Because I'm not the best at these things! But I feel obligated to act when my conscience screams at me and I figured it was worth a try after thinking about what BusterD said. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Requests for Adminship are much better advertised than these petitions, so it's not surprising they get more engagement. If the goal is to prevent cruelty on those pages, I see no advantage of the proposal in the RfC over the proposal to make the petition a form letter along the lines of "The undersigned request an RRfA. This page may be edited only to add signatures to this list and remove vandalism." McYeee (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The first petition is much higher profile than petitions are intended to be. In the first 24 hours the page was edited by 59 separate users, only 7 of whom supported. After 6 days the petition still only has 12 supporters. All 12 supporters meet the extended confirmed threshold for signing the petition, but not all the commenters do (e.g. one IP editor commented in the first 24 hours). Thryduulf (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The number of distinct editors doesn't seem particularly meaningful unless we figure out how many of them meet the extended-confirmed threshold. McYeee (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @McYeee Of the 59 users who edited the current petition within the first 24 hours, all but one of them (the IP editor) was extended confirmed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. This makes it clear to me that some change is needed. I'm just still not sure what change is needed. McYeee (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    some change is needed. I'm just still not sure what change is needed I'm in exactly the same boat, which is why it's such a shame that this RFC was launched without any attempts at workshopping. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe the guide at Wikipedia:Requests for comment should explain this if you want people to do it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Before starting the process does explain this. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't say anything about workshops and I believed the threshold for an RfC was already met when I read that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B for the excellent reasons articulated by CaptainEek. Chetsford (talk) 02:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B. Longer than 7 days is cruel to the subject of the RRFA. The point of RFA reform was to reduce toxicity, not increase it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B but the existing recall process will still be terrible. I'm not against any form of recall, I'm just strongly opposed to this form of recall, and anything that mitigates against this otherwise unmitigated disaster is good in my view, including reducing the timeframe. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B to match RFA, as the recipient of the curren admin recall. Take my !vote as you will. Graham87 (talk) 06:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B while I'd prefer 10 days, 7 is acceptable. As several editors have hinted at a desire to do away with recall altogether, I will raise my voice in strong opposition to any such notion. This community is frustratingly allergic to change, often to its own detriment. We've had one recall petition that got off to a shaky start, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who understands that new processes are usually a little rough at first. Stop overreacting. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B Seems fair to match to the RfA proccess, though I would be willing to go even shorter, perhaps 5 days. Highly in favor of the process of a whole, give it some time to shake out bugs.Kingsmasher678 (talk) 06:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • B or C (possible suggestion of 14 days). The admin recall process really doesn't have to drag everyone into a flaming train that destroys us from the inside out in 1 month. Mox Eden (talk) 07:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is completely premature and a week for 25 signatures is absurd. How are editors supposed to be aware of these petitions if they're only open for a week without being canvassed to it? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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