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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biological and health sciences/Health
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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Astronomy
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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Physics
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Technology

Add Riemannian manifold

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This is one of the fundamental objects of modern geometry. Another reason to add it is for consistency with other math vital ratings. There are many pairs of articles about a branch of math and its object of study, such as Riemannian geometry and Riemannian manifold, Group theory and Group (mathematics), Graph theory and Graph (discrete mathematics), and Ring theory and Ring (mathematics). Of these, Riemannian manifold is uniquely discordant with the rating of its companion, which is Level 4 vital. In fact, it is the only article I have listed that is not Level 4 vital. For full disclosure, I have a lot of edits on Riemannian manifold. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page has 1,002 wikilinks by the way. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 03:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Absolutely, glad to start seeing the math proposals. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Dwelling, Mobile home, and Caravan (trailer)

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All different kinds of homes. Location: Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Residential_buildings_and_housing_units

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support the latter 2, per my "some overlap is good at Lv5" principle, and (except for transportation infrastructure) I think we're still relatively light on "built environment" articles. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support adding all, dwelling should probably go in law though. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Dwelling.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Hasn't someone suggested Shelter (building)? Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That redirects to Shelter  5--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose adding Dwelling here. Skimming the article, it's actually about housing from a legal / real estate perspective. So I'd support adding it under the Law section of the Society lists. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose adding Caravan the until the more general Recreational vehicle and/or Trailer (vehicle) is added. Of the various RVs, not sure why Caravan deserves any priority over More interwikies than the other RVs Motorhome, Campervan, Truck camper, Popup camper and Coach (bus)  5, which has the 2nd most. Still none of these should be listed over the general RV.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zar2gar1, Interstellarity, and Kevinishere15:, I just want to make sure all Caravan supporters see this comment and note the nominations mentioned below.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Mobile home  5 is already listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Will list RV and trailer below.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Atlantic hurricane

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Proposing for the same reasons as my nomination of Typhoon. Most logical place to put it is in Air under Earth science. Interstellarity (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We have the room and we've now added Typhoon. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I don't understand why regional hurricanes are vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the abstract physics are the same, but the similarities end there. The ocean currents, geography, and especially historical data are all different. I guess it would be a bit like listing different animal species from the same family. Like I mentioned too, we still have room in the section, plus we've already added Typhoon  5 as precedent. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Inca road system

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Since we have Roman roads  5. This was the most extensive infrastructure project built in the Americas before European colonization and arguably remained so for centuries.

Support

  1. As nominator Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Good point, about the precedent of including Roman roads. I'm no archaeologist, but the Incan road system also had a well-developed plan for complementary buildings (granaries, caravanserais, govt. archives, etc.) Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Phone connector (audio)

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We been using the idea of these things since 1878 (roughly, the modern jack did not exist til like the 60s). We list USB protocols like USB-C  5, so what stopping this?

Support
  1. Add into somewhere in the sub-categories of Computer port (hardware)  5? 49p (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, since it's technically analog and for audio / telephony, it helps rather than hinders the current imbalance towards Computers. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Lymphatic filariasis

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Very common tropical disease, infecting millions. There is a separate article on efforts to eradicate it. 41 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Aeronautics

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The science of aircraft design.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. For sure, we could use more applied science topics. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Adding several classes of and specific Warships

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Per discussion above, I think we have a serious lack of military warship classes included, especially compared to warplanes. I believe this is likely due to simple lack of user interest in ship classes compared to fighter jets. I have started this by using the List of active Russian Navy ships, List of active Royal Navy ships, and List of current ships of the United States Navy, as well as my own knowledge of history for specific warships that are significant historically. There are several lists we can pull from to round this out, including List of aircraft carrier classes in service, and List of naval ship classes in service that look at global ship classes. I have put some brief notes about each class of ship indicating why I think they are vital.

Add Arleigh Burke-class destroyer

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United States Navy destroyer currently in service. Several other countries have adopted similar destroyer designs.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. It's the archetypical example of the modern guided missile destroyer in every facet. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Ticonderoga-class cruiser

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United States Navy cruiser currently currently in service.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
  1. It's the primary example of the concept of a modern guided missile cruiser, but has been phased out by the U.S. Navy and the general concept did not catch on with other navies. Notable primarily for its history of historical engagements and being an Aegis platform. Not sure I'd call it vital. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Slava-class cruiser

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Soviet Navy Cruiser currently in service by Russia. Notable ship includes the Russian cruiser Moskva sank by Ukraine in the Sinking of the Moskva.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Unremarkable service record. Only built in extremely small numbers. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per SwatJester, this one doesn't seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Ohio-class submarine

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United States Navy ballistic Missile Submarines currently in service.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Necessary for understanding the U.S. nuclear triad. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Virginia-class submarine

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United States Navy Fast Attack Submarine currently in service.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Not sure how we can make recency bias arguments about U.S. aircraft and not expect those to be applicable for the Virginia-class. It's not vital to understanding the development of modern nuclear attack submarines like the Los Angeles class was. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Vanguard-class submarine

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British Royal Navy Ballistic Missile Submarine currently in service.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. For the same reasons as Ohio. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Borei-class submarine

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New class of Russian submarines replacing Soviet legacy fleet.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yes, same reasoning as Ohio. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Akula-class submarine

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Soviet nuclear attack submarine currently in service with Russia.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yes, significantly influenced the course of submarine development. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Nimitz-class aircraft carrier

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Nuclear Aircraft carriers in service with U.S. Navy since 1975.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The definitional example of the modern supercarrier. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier

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British Royal Navy Aircraft Carriers.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I don't see the additional value in adding two smaller-sized carriers. They're relevant primarily for their immense cost to the UK and the political infighting over their commissioning, which is not unimportant but I'm struggling to see how it's vital. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier

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Soviet Class of Aircraft Carrier. This class is extremely noteworthy, as it is the class of three non-NATO aircraft carriers in two countries: the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and Chinese aircraft carrier Shandong.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Only built in small numbers, service record consists primarily of catching fire and being repaired, or being sold off to China (which is actively developing a nuclear-powered carrier to replace them as of November 2024).⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 03:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

@Makkool, did you mean to support this?

Yes, I meant. Thanks for noticing! For some reason pinging me didn't work. I didn't get an alert. Makkool (talk) 18:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Iowa-class battleship

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U.S. Navy WWII Battleships, last battleships in service with the U.S. Navy. Notably, the Japanese Instrument of Surrender happened on the deck of the USS Missouri (BB-63).

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vitally important to WWII history. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Yamato-class battleship

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WWII battleships that served in the Imperial Japanese Navy. Largest battleships ever constructed.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important for their influence on US naval policy that shaped the course of the war. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Bismarck-class battleship

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WWII NAZI battleships. Most notable was German battleship Bismarck which was sank during the Last battle of Bismarck by British Royal Navy.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Only two ever built, Bismarck was destroyed on her first sortie, while Tirpitz accomplished nothing other than constantly being damaged and going in for repairs before being herself destroyed. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 03:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Changing vote to oppose. Would support the specific warship Bismarck instead of the ship class article. Makkool (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

@Makkool, I thought of this, but the German Battleship Tirpitz also had a significant role in WWII. while the Bismarck is the more famous of the ships, the Tirpitz had a bit more of a service history (Obviously) and impacted some parts of the war, if only by forcing the British to commit resources to trying to hunt it down and defend against it. From a historic persepctive, the Bismark is certainly more discussed, but from a technological perspecitve both ships seem impactful. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add USS Arizona

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Specific U.S. Navy Battleship, sunk during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vitally important to WWII history. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add CSS Virginia

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Specific Confederate Confederate States Navy warship. The CSS Virginia was the first steam powered Ironclad warship.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vital to understanding the age of ironclads. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add USS Monitor

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Specific United States Navy Warship. Early Ironclad that was employed during the U.S. Civil War and built in response to the CSS Virginia. The battle between the Monitor and Virginia is the first between ironclad warships.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vital to understanding the age of ironclads. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add USS Constitution  5

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PASSED
Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 09:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Specific U.S. Navy ship. The oldest commissioned ship in the world today.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important classically preserved example of shipbuilding of the day. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 06:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Adding a few military Helicopters

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I noticed we are missing many of the major helicopters used in military aviation. I don't think we have any specific models, which I believe is due to a bias towards fixed wing aviation. As it looks like we will be needing to expand this category, I have a few I think we should start with. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sikorsky R-4

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The Fist mass produced military helicopter.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Mil Mi-24

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Family of Soviet Attack helicopters currently in use by 58 countries.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The definitional Warsaw Pact attack helicopter family of the Cold War and extensively used in conflicts around the world. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Mil Mi-26

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The largest military helicopter to go into serial production. Used by the USSR/Russia and several other countries.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Neutral -- it's cool that it's the largest, but I'd rather see the Mi-8 or Mi-17, which were significantly more influential overall. Or arguably the Ka-27/Ka-29 for a specialized naval helicopter variant that's also an example of contrarotating blades. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Boeing AH-64 Apache

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U.S. built attack helicopter currently in use by several countries, including Japan, UK, Israel, and the UAE. The helicopter has seen widespread use in American conflicts.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The definitional NATO cold war attack helicopter throughout the Cold War, the Iraq War, and the GWOT.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk

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U.S. built medium lift utility helicopter in use by multiple countries. Has seen widespread use in conflicts the U.S. has been involved with.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Either this or the UH-1 Huey family. Both extremely influential utility helicopters. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Are you planning on listing any other heavy lift helicopters? I'd also consider the CH-47 both as the premier example of the tandem-rotor concept and the stereotypical Western heavy-lift helicopter for the past 60 years. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed we were short on helicopters and did some quick research to come up with a list of ones that seemed notable. If you want to nominate that one, I'd support it. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Incunable

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Since we added Manuscript  5 and Codex  5, I'm thinking this concept could be next. Incunables are early printed books. An important step in the history of printing (and books in general).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, per my "some overlap is good at Lv5" principle. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Several types of military tanks

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We have 11 specific types of firearms and 19 specific types of planes, but no tanks. There are many noteworthy ones, but here are a few I think are important.

Add M4 Sherman

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US WWII tank.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Extremely important to WWII.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Tiger I

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Nazi WWII tank.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. There should probably be *some* German tank but I'm not sure it should be the Tiger. I think there's a stronger argument for either the Panzer IV or Panther tank, both of which had more than 5x the number produced of Tigers and were more impactful on the war -- the Panzer IV being the only German tank to serve the entirety of the war, and the Panther widely being considered one of the best tanks of the war.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add T-72

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Soviet Cold War tank

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. OK, but the T-55 is probably more important to include than this as far as Cold War Soviet tanks go, being the most widely produced tank in history and still widely in use today.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add M1 Abrams

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Current U.S. Main battle tank.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Extremely important to late-Cold War and post-Cold War history of several nations, not just the U.S.⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swap three Power storage articles

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I propose that section gets renamed into Energy storage. The section in general seems to reflect what was (expected to) be important 10-15 years ago, compared to what is actually important.

Remove Nickel-iron battery

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Gets only 11 pageviews per day. Reading the article, I do not see why this type of battery stands out compared to others. It's used in a couple of niches, but nothing screams vital to me.

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  • I actually added this one before voting was standard on unfinished lists. I'm fine if everyone wants to cut it and agree it's niche, but just for context, I think I added it for balance. My understanding is it's one of the most time-tested battery chemistries, and it's arguably the most economical & robust in some appropriate technology situations. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Nickel-metal hydride battery

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Only 14 pageviews per day. Similarly, used in a few niches, but not as big as the alternatives below. They are sometimes used in hybrid vehicles, but are being replaced with lithium-ion batteries.

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  • Another I may have added before voting was standard. I'm fine if everyone wants to cut it; I figured it mainly has notability as a common (the main?) rechargeable chemistry for decades until lithium-ion recently became dominant. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove solar fuel

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Gets only 28 pageviews per day. The term is a bit of a neologism I believe, with power-to-X or power-to-gas the more commonly used phrases for similar ideas.

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support, especially with the more fundamental power-to-X suggestion. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add thermal energy storage

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266 daily views. Has large applications in industry and for domestic heating and is expected to grow in terms of power sector applications too (f.i. in Carnot batteries).

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, also complements Cogeneration (which we do list). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add compressed-air energy storage

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154 daily views. Together with vanadium redox batteries, one of the (semi)mature technologies for mid-duration electricity storage.

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, can also integrate with pressurized service lines. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add power-to-X

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89 daily views. A core component of sector coupling (which might need its own article?), a trend in the energy transition that sees all energy-using sectors getting more intertwined to allow buffers for variable renewables (creating heat, gas or whatever during periods of overproduction).

Support
  1. As nom, —Femke 🐦 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, especially since it subsumes the solar fuel article. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Pause further Tech additions?

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Hi everyone, just to give a heads-up, we're technically already over quota for Tech and only have about 20-25 more articles before we're past the 2% cushion. We still have a decent number of open technology proposals too, most of them for addition.

This is meant more as a reminder than a discussion of anything. Obviously, if you can think of any likely swaps (or especially batch removals), then it's not an issue.

Quota proposals are also always an option, but I will say, for myself in advance, that I oppose increasing Tech's quota for now. It's not just that some subjects are way over-represented, but Tech could use some reorganization (including some headings being split-off or diverted to other lists). After refocusing, we could have a clearer idea of whether the section should have a bigger share of Lv 5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know Tech was starting to have quota issues. I will work on finding some removals. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removals are really really hard. I've tried to reduce several areas that were over represented, but there is usually more resistance to removals then additions. Look at my attempt at trimming U.S. fighter jets for example and adding in some foreign made ones, some of the adds got support, but the removals are all heavily opposed... We have a a hoarder problem. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree completely, though if there's a silver lining (and this is just my impression), anyone that sticks around and doesn't get too discouraged can eventually push some through. I think editors that just participate here a few times are usually motivated by what they find interesting, which is good. They're often the ones that notice glaring coverage gaps. But it is biased towards addition, plus the discussions can also get lost in minutiae.
I think almost everyone that participates here over time though develops mostly general reasons for voting. In a way, it's almost like we've developed our own primitive case law here. And as a result, if you find an article that checks several "not vital" boxes, you can at least expect a lot of support from the regulars. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi everyone, just another update. If you net the current Tech proposals (additions less removals), we're going to blow past our 2% cushion to be officially over-quota. Obviously, more removals are an option, and quota proposals on the main Lv5 page are always allowed.
Personally though, I feel we may want to step back and rethink the Tech list, looking at the big picture. Even with more removals, the list is now pulling in several (somewhat contradictory) directions, plus our imbalances aren't getting any better. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have there ever been any expressed shut down of nominations in the history of VA? I think we should just go forward and evaluate removals as well as quota reallocations. Note that when this discussion was started we were 20-25 nominations away from 2% cushion. Now we are at 3228/3200. 1% cushion would be 3232 and 2% cushion would be 3264, so we are 36 from 2% cushion and making progress.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To your first question, there have never been any imposed shut-downs no, but it's never really been necessary. Once we're clearly over quota, everyone has typically throttled back most additions until we're back under 100%.
    To your other points, the section is technically over quota with even 3201 articles, and we're supposed to try hovering around it. The cushion is just there for practical reasons, like allowing batch proposals and not requiring additions / removals to be balanced exactly in the moment. That's also why we don't mark a section as over-quota on the table until it's clearly grown out of control.
    As for progress, the list hasn't moved much since last month, but if you count the active addition proposals here on the talk page, then subtract active removals, we're not going in the right direction.
    On the matter of quotas, proposals are always allowed and everyone else may support it, but I would definitely oppose an increase in Tech's quota right now. Especially taking slots from the Life Sciences, which are almost definitely under quota due to neglect, not relative importance. The more I look at the list in terms of actual coverage, the worse I feel about it, and without us at least stepping back for a bit and rethinking our direction, I'm not sure even more removals would improve it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have made several currwntly active batch proposals for sciences and have seen a lot less interest than I expected. I am having trouble convincing myself, it is worth preserving hundreds of spaces for those subjects.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support taking 50 places from biology and health sciences which is about 330 below quota (although 100 seem be headed to Culture).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Eye color

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Seems important enough at this level.

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:39, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, why not? We have room in phyisiology for sure. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose, Human eye  4 seems adequate. The page for Eye color seems fairly exclusive to human eye color, so it doesn't offer expanded range. The page Human skin color isn't listed, and I don't think it should be, but do think it is likely more culturally significant then eye color, sadly. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Replace Polonium hydride  5 with Chlorine dioxide

[edit]

Polonium hydride is a radioactive and unstable compound and is only used for scientific research. It should be replaced by chemical compounds with large-scale applications, such as chlorine dioxide.

Support
  1. As nom. Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 10:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, deferring to nom on this one. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Mixed
Discuss

Add Linear motor and Maglev

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Both of these suggestions came out of the railgun removal discussion above and sound like solid additions to me. It's been a bit since I looked at the list organization, but linear motor can go near our other electrical motors, while maglev can go somewhere under Rail transport.

Support
  1. Support as nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, would like to see railgun removed still but these are important. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per above EleniXDD※Talk 03:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove TransMilenio  5

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Not counting rail transport companies, we have 64 rapid transit systems. This one is a bus system, which means is not that significant in terms of infrastructure. In fact, Bogotá is kinda infamous for being one of the largest cities in the world without a metro system.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

I mentioned it above, but I think I'm going to propose moving all specific facility and infrastructure articles to Geography (on the central Lv5 talk page). I could totally support some transit authorities / bus systems there though. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove one of these US airports (John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, or O'Hare International Airport)

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Atlanta's airport is the busiest airport in the world so that's obviously vital. I think we should cut down some US airports since it's the country with the most airports listed. I have no opinion on what airports should be removed, so I am interested to hear what others think. Interstellarity (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. If we need to remove one, I think it should be O'Hare Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Second O'Hare per Makkool, I'm actually neutral on which, but I like the idea of cutting one so I won't complicate things. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Remove O'Hare per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I have been a proponent of adding Memphis International Airport (home of the Fedex Superhub) for its Cargo airport importance and don't think we have too many Airports. As a hub to two of the major airlines and a high volume airport, I think this is vital. Could support as a swap for Memphis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Further, this was the world's busiest airport for 35 years. I am a bit remiss about its possible removal.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. @Makkool, Zar2gar1, and Interstellarity: any thoughts of swapping in the world's second busiest Cargo airport.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I won't take a stance on this yet, but I'd be open to swapping O'Hare with Memphis. I would see what others think before taking my position. Interstellarity (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I'd support that swap Makkool (talk) 19:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I'm more ambivalent about specific instances in general, at least on the Tech list, so consider me neutral on swapping in another airport. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Telephone number (mathematics)  5

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Zero interwikis suggest this number theory concept is too niche.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support. Even given that the number of Vital number theory articles need not be reduced, this is simply not an important concept in number theory. A search of the math arxiv returns only a single paper about telephone numbers. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 19:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Strong oppose on a few counts. The more I think about it, the less I like interwikis as a proxy for vitality, but especially in hard science / mathematics. References will have an extreme bias towards a few languages, and readers / editors are probably disproportionally interested in detailed content over translation. On content, the telephone numbers nicely connect results across several fields, plus we should almost definitely be cutting from other sections before number theory. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Just to add some detail on cutting from other sections, we almost definitely have too many niche articles in Foundations and Graph Theory. I personally added a lot of those articles back when Lv5 still allowed boldly adding to under-quota lists. I was trying to be comprehensive, but actually reached the quota before reaching the other sections. I'd like the talk page to shrink a little before adding batch proposals, but I can probably think of at least 25 articles to cut there if nobody else gets around to it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Zipper storage bag

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I refer to this whole general class as Ziploc around the house, but this is the generic term. It is more than a subset of Plastic bag  5. It is a variant of types of Bag  5. P.s. I am a bit surprised neither sandwich bag nor storage bag exists even as a redirect.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. sure. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Aluminium foil

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I can't believe it takes 3 i's to spell this elsewhere. It only takes 2 eyes to see how important this is in my refrigerator.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Plastic wrap

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This is very essential in the kitchen.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Tupperware or Tupperware Brands

[edit]

I probably need a bit a discussion to figure out which one belongs, but the product is pretty essential.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Simply on my "no name brands" principle; I'm neutral if Tub (container) is an option though, and also neutral on the other household items. Just keep an eye out on the Tech quota. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Zar2gar1 should I move these to everyday life on the society subpage?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Honestly, I don't think you need to move the proposal; they're all man-made objects so not really out of place here. They would also make sense in Everyday Life though so if people want to put them there, they can mention it in their vote. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I oppose adding the brands. I am more positive on adding something like Tub (container). Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add 2 for Astronomy -> Observation

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I decided to stop waiting for the page size to shrink; let's try to fill in the remaining science sections.

Astronomy is already right around the quota (1 below), but I think we can add Fraunhofer lines and telluric contamination. They're respectively the absorption spectra of the sun's and the earth's atmosphere, and beyond revealing details about atmospheric chemistry, they're relevant to calibration and corrections in many observations. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nom -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Structural coloration to Biology

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A biological phenomenon widespread across multiple kingdoms of life, often used as a teaching example of how clever nature can be, and a continuing influence on physics and technology. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Glycated hemoglobin

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A1C is definitely vital, and Hemoglobin  4 is VA4.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Maternity den

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Support
  1. As nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Bird nest

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Pretty straight-forward, mentioned in another proposal, could go in our growing animal shelter list. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Nest should be VA4, and this should be a subtopic of it. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support  Carlwev  23:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We just added nest.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

Add Colony (biology)

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Also suggested in another proposal, actually applies across multiple kingdoms of life so should probably go in General Biology.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support  Carlwev  23:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Optical phenomena

[edit]

I've had a short list of optics topics to add (in Physics) stashed away for a while. How do you all feel about these? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Optical aberration

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The general concept of how real-world optical systems deviate from ideal behavior. Crucial to almost all optics applications too.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Spherical aberration

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One of the primary types of aberration, due to the Thin lens  5 assumption breaking down in the real world. This article has a its own content on corrective methods and measuring aberration.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Chromatic aberration

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Another major form of aberration, due to Refraction  4 in real world materials varying with wavelength. This article actually has a lot of decent content on corrective methods, measurement, and applications (like photographic effects).

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Caustic (optics)

[edit]

A common optical phenomenon and very old demonstration of Ray optics (those details are in a separate math article: Caustic (mathematics).

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Iridescence

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The basic rainbow-color visible in all sorts of situations (materials, biology, weather, etc.)

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Dichroism

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This is probably a little less well-known and may be more borderline, but it does explain the coloration of certain materials and also has several technical applications. The article still could use expansion but I tend to see that as a reason for adding to VA5 (to encourage editing) rather than removing. Related but distinct from Birefringence  5.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Newton's rings

[edit]

Historically notable experiment / phenomenon and a go-to demonstration of light's wavier behavior.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not convinced this one is vital. Opposistion is weak though GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

Add Moiré pattern

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One more wave / interference-based phenomenon. It appears in many situations, with connections to art and technology.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Information system and URL

[edit]

Important components of the World Wide Web.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. always surprised what isn't already included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Easy adds Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support URL, now that we're clearing out some space in Computing. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. I know this will likely pass but I want to pump the brakes one more time. Computing is already way over-represented, and we're still adding to it. If someone proposes 4 or more Computer articles for removal with a good chance of passing though, I'll support URL and switch to neutral on Information system. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Horseshoe

[edit]

We are getting over quota in tech, but this one appears to be an oversight. Horseshoes revolutionized agriculture, transportation, and warfare and are a symbol of good fortune in many cultures.

Support
  1. As nom. To agriculture. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If we have to remove something most of these may be still applicable.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 23:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Maybe not a huge thing, but definitely a good find for Animal Husbandry, which is under-represented. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Multilevel streets in Chicago  5 and Trou de loup  5

[edit]

Articles from here that I don't think are very vital. There is no world in which Trou de loup  5 is vital and Medieval fortification (currently not a VA) is not.

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Makkool (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support both, I have no idea how the first one ever made the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support both, I may have added Trou de loup back in the "free brainstorming" days, but agree it's not vital. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add everyday containers

[edit]
N.B. This nomination was split at 03:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC). Previous discussant preferences of User:Mathwriter2718, User:Kevinishere15 and User:Zar2gar1 were interpreted and included at the time of the split by me.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose adding all or some subset of Cage, Clamshell (container), Disposable cup, Bucket, Plastic bottle, Vial, Test tube, Pipette, because they are all objects that many of us interact with often or every day. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Cage

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Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Clamshell (container)

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Leaning oppose. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Disposable cup

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Would rather see a space go to Disposable product so as to include disposable plates, disposable utensils and more.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This makes sense. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Bucket

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Plastic bottle

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Vial

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Test tube

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Pipette

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. neutral for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness.-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Original discussion when the nomination was unified

[edit]
Support
  1. I mildly support adding all. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Leaning oppose on Clamshell, support the rest. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

I think I'm still neutral on all for now, but I'm not sure how I feel about adding items primarily just for their ordinariness. OTOH, vial, test tube, and pipette could possibly go under Science instead of Tech. This is somewhere we're still disorganized and inconsistent, but some scientific equipment is listed with the relevant science, while others are in Tech. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mathwriter2718, I would like to see this nomination split into separate items. I am not sure that they all are of similar vitality for consideration.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyTheTiger you're right, this should be split. I'm not sure what the kosher way of doing this is. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 02:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Humid subtropical climate

[edit]

The most populous climate zone hosting over 2 billion people.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 18:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Suppot. If not here, this could fit under the geography section as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Continental climate

[edit]

Another populated climate zone not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Suppot. If not here, this could fit under the geography section as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
[edit]

In the above discussion on URLs, @Zar2gar1 pointed out that computers are over represented. We currently have 630 articles on Computing and information technology, which definitely has some room to trim. Below are the first few that caught my attention.

Remove DNA computing  5

[edit]

From the articles lede "DNA computing is an emerging branch of unconventional computing which uses DNA, biochemistry, and molecular biology hardware, instead of the traditional electronic computing." This form of computing is mostly science fiction at this point, and until we have some legitimate applications, it isn't really vital.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. As an aside, I think we should be skeptical by default towards VAs on technology that doesn't exist. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Does not exist, does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Theoretically interesting, but agree it's still too speculative. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
  1. @Mathwriter2718, I agree. I proposed removing railguns for the same reason. Even stuff that is theoretically possible, if it isn't in widespread use (even if it may be one day in widespread use), it is not vital. Would support removing any similar example. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Zombie (computing)  5

[edit]

This term relates to a specific situation where a computer connected to the internet becomes compromised and used for malicious activities. I don't think this is particularly vital, especially since we have an extensive list of malware types included.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I think we already include Botnet  5 (and quota concerns override overlap benefits). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 10:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Computer case  5

[edit]

While I understand the desire to include all the components of computers in the list of vital articles, I think that Computer case is excessive. While components like CPU, Motherboard, GPU, etc. are all rightly included, the page Power supply unit (computer) is not. I agree we should not include Power Supply Unit, and believe that computer cases are even less vital then that page (I just built a computer, and the case was the absolute last thing I thought about).

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Agree, while there are technical details, this is arguably WP:DICTIONARY territory as far as the VA list is concerned. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Betamax  5

[edit]

Betamax is an obsolete format, and lost the "format wars" against VHS. It is an interesting footnote, but not really vital.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Agree completely about this being a footnote, and arguably more of a business one at that. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Vine (service)  5

[edit]

Vine was a video sharing service that launched in 2013 and was shut down by 2017, with the archive was removed in 2019. This seems like a bit of recency bias, and I think we should wait another 10 years to see if it is still considered vital.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. When it was going, it seemed like a peer to Twitter and IG, but in retrospect, it does not seem to have so much lasting vitality.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Strong support, for above reasons, computing / internet over-represented, and my "no name brands in Tech" argument. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Vine had a lasting cultural influence and was a pioneer of the current trend of short-form video content. It has an important place in the history of social media. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Mathwriter. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove "Hello, World!" program  5

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Hello world! is the traditional first thing students do in a programming course. It is a fun tradition and I'm including it in a Python class I'm teaching in the Spring, but it isn't any more "vital" then Rubber duck debugging in my opinion (And Rubber duck debugging might be MUCH more vital depending on who you ask).

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support, though I think I see the logic for including it (as a common introductory topic). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Intercity bus service

[edit]

Nominating for similar reasons as Intercity rail. We list the vehicles used for this service, but not the actual service.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Anti-submarine net  5

[edit]

Does not seem particularly vital, and the parent topic Boom (navigational barrier)  5 is also only VA5. We don't even list anti-submarine warfare, so why should we list this obscure barrier? Only five interwikis, and it is in the bottom 10% of articles by pageviews.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong support, I may have added this in the free brainstorming days, but agree we have way less niche things to add. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Commercial aviation and Private aviation

[edit]

Two important types of aviation.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, I had to think about this one but they make sense on the list. As more of the processes / culture around flight though, maybe place under the applied sciences? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Vertebra and Intervertebral disc

[edit]

We list Spinal cord  4 and Human back  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Absolutely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Hyaline cartilage

[edit]

We list Cartilage  4--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Anterior cruciate ligament

[edit]

Although we only list Ligament  5, I have made it a candidate for elevation to VA4 and consider this particular ligament to be crucial to many forms of elite athletic performance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 09:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Intelligent agent

[edit]

Agentics is the next wave with Artificial intelligence.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Architectural elements

[edit]

Of the 21 architectural elements at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Architectural_elements, 16 are Level 4. With 16 level 4 items it seems surpising that only 21 are level 5. I feel several of these should be level 5, given the list of level 4 elements: Arch  4, Ceiling  4, Column  4, Door  4, Elevator  4, Façade  4, Floor  4, Foundation (engineering)  4, Ladder  4, Lighting  4, Roof  4, Room  4, Stairs  4, Wall  4, and Window  4, -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TonyTheTiger: I'm neutral on most of these architectural topics (but support a few); I pretty much don't know how I feel about prioritizing things for how common they are. I'll wait a bit to start a separate discussion, but these got me thinking about something more general. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Gate

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Chimney

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support, mainly because it has both architectural and functional (HVAC) aspects. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Fence

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Moat

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Staircase

[edit]

N.B. Stairs  4 above

Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Maybe staircase should be moved to stairwell, since this is the article about the room of stairs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Shed

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Molding (decorative)

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Countertop

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Window sill

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion


Add Garage door

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Hallway

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Maybe this should just be merged into Hall  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Boiler (water heating)

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Rain gutter

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Handrail

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Guard rail

[edit]
Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Sewerage and Street gutter

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More infrastructure given Drainage  4 and Flood management  4 at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Hydraulic_infrastructure and Plumbing  4 at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Hydraulics_and_pneumatics are listed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support sewerage  Carlwev  16:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, I think sanitation topics are probably under-represented. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tower  4 topics

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We list Tower  4 and the following are related.

Add Bell tower

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Belfry

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Spire

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Steeple

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Watchtower

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Guard tower and/or Guardhouse

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion
  1. Maybe the stubby Guard tower should be merged into Watchtower.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding rooms

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Given the list of inclusions at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Rooms_and_spaces, I will try adding a few more.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Family room

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not different enough from living room Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Den (room)

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Stub and 1 interwiki Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Pantry

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think this was listed once, but it must have been boldly removed at some point Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 04:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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More room adds and removals

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I had At Home: A Short History of Private Life lying around, and there were more omissions in the Rooms and spaces section I noticed. Some clear removals as well to balance the adds. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Drawing room

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A room for entertaining guests, the historical precursor to the living room. A part of large houses for several centuries. Rated High-Importance in Wikiproject Home living.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Great hall

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The main room in a royal palace or large manor house. I don't feel as strongly for this, because we already have Hall  5, but on the other hand, the great hall would be a major space to list for historical homes.

Support
  1. Weak support as nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Nursery (room)

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An important room also in modern apartments.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Remove Lobby (room)  5

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Not as important as the rest. I would list Vestibule (architecture) instead, but not suggesting a swap for now.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Remove Sunroom  5

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Not as important as the rest. It's also called a solarium, but it's not the same as indoor tanning (which isn't listed yet by the way)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Mobile operating system

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An important type of operating system that powers many of the world's mobile devices.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I can support this. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Some Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Electronics adds

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Add Light switch

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Power cord

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Power cable

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Camera phone

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Has had wide ramifications Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Some Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Military_technology changes

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Remove Fletching

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With only 9 interwikis, this seems quite niche.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This technology revolutionized a lot of human society involving hunting and warfare. It is at least as vital as Smokeless powder  5, and probably on the level of Gunpowder  3 in reality. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. But with Arrow  5 only being VA5, do we need both Arrowhead  5 and Fletching  5. It should all be reasonably covered at Arrow. Just today, I decided not to make nomination of Fire alarm call box since we have Fire alarm system  5. Then I decided not to nominate Earlobe and Ear canal on top of nominating Outer ear.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    2. I could support removing Arrowhead  5 too.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Trident

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With 52 interwikis, this seems important.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion


Add Butterfly knife

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This is one of the flashiest and dynamic martial arts implements. 28 interwikis compares favorably with many weapons.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. This is a gimmick knife that is sometimes shown in media and sold at stores that carry mall ninja stuff. They are not commonly carried or used. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Trailer (vehicle) and Recreational vehicle

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Not sure how Coach (bus)  5 is listed ahead of the more general term Recreational vehicle, which also includes Motorhome, Campervan, Truck camper, Popup camper and the most interwikied RV Caravan (trailer). I don't think any trailers are at VA, but Semi-trailer truck  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

I guess Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Motorized_road_transport has an extensive listing of types of buses and Coach (bus) snuck in ahead of RV that way.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am belatedly understanding the difference between mechanical wings and fins and biological ones, this section is mostly about biological ones except for the first one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biology and health sciences/Biology section that includes anatomy is at 1068/1200 (11% under quota)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Fin

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Wing  4 is a type of fin.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

N.B.:Fish fin  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bird wing

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Wing  4 can parent this at level 5. Biology is underquota.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Insect wing

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Wing  4 can parent this at level 5. Biology is underquota.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Flipper (anatomy)

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Fish fin  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Webbed foot

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Fish fin  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Interdigital webbing

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Fish fin  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Limb (anatomy)

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Fish fin  5 is listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Arthropod leg

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Hoof

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Hectocotylus

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Rechargeable battery

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This has changed the world from power tools, to phones to cars.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion
[edit]

Biology is under quota, so I'll be bouncing around as a non-expert to round up some nominees.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biology and health sciences/Biology section that includes anatomy is at 1068/1200 (11% under quota)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Snout, Proboscis and Rostrum (anatomy)

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Insect mouthparts

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Fang

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Outer ear

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Cephalopod beak

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Nostril

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Whiskers

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Tusk

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Vocal sac

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Main body cavity stuff

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More biololgy roundup.

Keep in mind that the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biology and health sciences/Biology section that includes anatomy is at 1068/1200 (11% under quota)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Torso

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Abdominal cavity

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Thorax (arthropod anatomy)

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Pouch (marsupial)

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Spine (zoology)

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Udder

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Mammary gland

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Genitourinary system

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Cloaca

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Random biology

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Keep in mind that the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biology and health sciences/Biology section that includes anatomy is at 1068/1200 (11% under quota)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Membrane

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Stinger

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Ganglion

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Compound eye

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Simple eye in invertebrates

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Primary vein

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Various security items

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Since Safe just passed, I have a few more nominees:

Add Padlock

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Locker

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Bank vault

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Post office box

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Safe deposit box

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Real-estate lock box

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too niche Mathwriter2718 (talk) 15:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Trowel

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I am thinking about the general version for Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Agricultural_tools, although there is a specialized version for masons. This is more of a tool for the flowerbed, greenhouse or residential interior, but it is still important.

Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Lateral line

[edit]

Significant part of fish biology, and an important animal sensory system we don't list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Remove Mains electricity by country  5

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We already list Mains electricity  5, and derivatives from the list of countries seem to be not very welcome. I would swap it with the main list.

Support
  1. As nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 13:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. As you say country lists are not in favor. Stem is in the +/-1% range of quota. The parent is only level 5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly, I'm proposing to remove, not to add. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 19:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Lifeboat (rescue) and Inflatable boat

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At least one of these should be at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Naval_transport

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Lifebuoy and Personal flotation device

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These are the marine equivalent of emergency Airbag  5 and precautionary Seat belt  5, IMO. Maybe they would go Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Basics_7 or maybe somewhere in Everyday life.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Lance

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Although Jousting  5 is only VA5, I think we should consider this.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove Wearable computer  5

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Outside of the Smartwatch  5, which is already listed separately, wearable computers are not yet a very important topic, and the Technology page is well above the quota.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. There aren't many wearable computers other than smartwatches that are widely used. Yes, we have things like smartglasses, but I hardly see anybody other than one person in my life that uses them. Maybe if we see more of these types of devices, I may consider supporting the addition later on. Interstellarity (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Personal digital assistant

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These devices were the precursor to smartphones.

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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