BotCon toy

It seems obvious, given the preview pages from the Transtech comic, that we'll be needing to move the BotCon toy to Alpha Trion (Timelines) soon... --ItsWalky 05:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not quite so sure. He makes it clear that he's not one of the Transtechs himself, so he could still be from, say, a G1 or UT universe, and thus belong on one of those pages instead. He would only get moved to (Transtech) if he's a new guy. If he's a version of G1 or UT Alpha Trion, he'd still go on either of those pages. We might not ever get a specific answer, either. --ItsWalky 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I just made a note to this effect in the page itself, but didn't think to check this discussion first. If this is too spoilery, feel free to revert.--G.B. Blackrock 18:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Given what we now know of his background, I think it's safe to go ahead and set up the Alpha Trion (Transtech) article. Any dissent? Chip 04:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd use "Timelines" instead. --ItsWalky 04:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why we don't just put the Alpha Trion botcon figure as being the G1 version. The figure was released prior the SG fiction even existing. His profile card has the classics insignia just like all the other figs released that Botcon. The usage of the model in SG comes like a year after the toy was released. There isn't anything to officially say the Botcon figure was actually MEANT to be anything other than the G1 version since as far as I know all of the appearances of this charachter model debuted after the figure's release. Its similar to how Galvatron has no appearance in the classics fiction but Galvatron II does, but we still place the Universe release as G1 Galvatron while giving a note that the on package bio could refer to either one. Similarly Alpha Trion's release was in the Botcon 2007 line but was used in the SG fiction, but nonetheless there's nothing explicitly saying he was released with the INTENTION of being of SG Alpha Trion so he would best be put as the G1 version and count as a repurpose.--BlackStarscream 18:51, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Images

I think we need some better images. Does anybody have a wider shot of A3 from FIaLTC? And a shot of him from War Dawn? Hey, Monzo, where are ya? --ItsWalky 04:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• yeah that picture of Alpha Trion and Elita One looks like the bad touch.

That's on purpose! (Since my request above, I have solved the image crisis.) --ItsWalky 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

X-Men

Am I the only one who thinks that Alpha Trion looks like Onslaught from The X-Men?

Except with a beard.

And a visible face. --Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 23:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

We should add something about A3 being the first transformers and abotu A1 and A2 being failures X-BoB58

Therin lies the greatness of Wiki. You don't really need a group consensus to do that.--Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 00:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know how to add it in.

G1?

Should this entry have the "(G1)" tag we add to most characters, or is he considered universal, like Unicron or Primus?--G.B. Blackrock 17:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why Alpha Trion would be "universal" (multiversal?). There are versions of him in other continuities, yes, but the same is true for Optimus Prime. I think you probably have to be a god to be the same guy everywhere. --KilMichaelMcC 17:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Failures?

Is there any actual basis for the statement "A1 and A2 were failures" in the cartoon, or was X-Bob just being funny?--G.B. Blackrock 17:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It was in one of the old Comic Bom-bom issues, it was hosted at Hydra's site but now that's down.

Who said this? And are Comic Bom-bom issues (which I have no access to) considered canon?--G.B. Blackrock 23:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

A. The Issiue in question was hosted at TFPulp wich is now down, you can ask Hydra or Buster over at the allspark for more info. X-BoB58 23:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I assume this means that you posted the bit to which I asked "Who said this?" Thanks for the info. However, it doesn't actually answer my main question, which is "are the Comic Bom-Bom issues considered canon?" However, I grant that this is a bad question. More to the point, are they considered in the same continuity as the G1 cartoon that Alpha Trion originated in? If not, this statement should be sent to a note lower in the article, under a "Comic Bom-Bom" heading (see the Wreckers and Dreamwave Comics headings for examples). It is appropriate to include on the Wiki, but probably should not be part of Alpha Trion's defining bio at the top of the page.--G.B. Blackrock 23:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Especially considering how loose the J-fiction tends to play. --M Sipher 00:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I would consider them cartoon-Cannon but others may not X-BoB58 00:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon-cannon is a dicey issues, because the japanese cartoond is brannch off later, and it had some events even before the movie (scramble city) that were noticably different.

(Did the Ark awaken in 1985 in the Japanese cartoon? I want to say that it did, but I don't think i have a basis to support that, it just want' released until 85 there.)-derik18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

From the defunkt TfCyberbon/TFPulp

This Bom-Bom continues to move into the 2010 period, with character designs of Cyclonus. There's a paragraph which describes him as holding a position similar to that of Starscream, while mentioning his personality as "having discarded his humanism in order to become a coldhearted battle machine." Interesting to see his cockpit. Then, there's an absolutely fascinating 2-page spread on the Quintessons, describing the function of each face. There's also a timeline in some sort of Seibertron years describing the Quintessons, Vector Sigma, and the first Transformers. According to this, in Seibertronian year 285, A-3 was the first robot to be successfully born via Vector Sigma, A-1 and A-2 having been failures. Then, there are a couple pages showing upcoming releases, foreign items, and some neat merchandise like phone cards. What a month!

Image -Derik 06:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

In absolute terms, Alpha Trion can't have been the first Transformer/Cybertronian ever created; he had no idea how to deal with the Hate Plague in The Return Of Optimus Prime, which prompted Prime to journey further back. If "further back" was two stillborn guys, he wouldn't have been able to find anyone to combat that menace.

That arguement aside - since it's a note from a secondary source (ie nothing of the sort is mentioned in the 'toon), it should probably go in a footnote/Trivia section at the end of his profile rather than the main section, I reckon. -- Monzo 23:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Moustache

20mil BC? 9mil, right? -Derik 06:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

11, actually. - Chris McFeely 20:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sound effects?

The instructions say he has them; we're sure he doesn't? --Thylacine 2000 02:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Pretty sure he doesn't. Mine doesn't even have the metal contact points in the battery compartment. The electronics are stripped. --ItsWalky 02:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Greatest?

Not to open a can of worms, beat a dead horse, etc., etc., etc., but I would think the phrase "Cybertron's greatest hero" attributed to Optimus Primal is a contested title, unless all of the fandom voted at some point and time and decided on this.

If so, then fine...I'll curl up in a corner and cry, but if not then I think those kind of statements should be reserved for the Beast Wars Wiki.

Just my opinion. --Suzyprime 04:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

BWX Optimus Primal's profile says outright he's at least ONE of Cybertron's greatest heroes. And, frankly, he must be #1, if Primus picked him, out of, well, every Transformer who ever existed in any universe, to fight Primus' armies against Unicron's. He didn't bring back Optimus Prime, he didn't bring back Rodimus Prime, he didn't even bring back Big Red. Optimus Primal was brought back from death (after saving the entire planet with an army of seven... against millions) to lead Primus' forces in his darkest hour.

(And, really, this IS the Beast Wars wiki. Beast Wars IS a good chunk of Transformers.) --ItsWalky 05:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not denying Beast Wars its place in the lore. I like Beast Wars 100 times more than the anime crap out there.

And I have no trouble granting to Primal the status as ONE of Cybertron's greatest heroes. Fine. IMHO, he's better than Rodimus and Ultra Magnus put together. But THE greatest? Again, when was the vote to determine this? My point is, isn't the use of this description on this page an obvious and disputed bias?

Are you attributing this title to him just because in one comic continuity Primus picks him to return from the dead and fight a battle against Unicron? Is that the official word then?

If so...boo, hiss.--Suzyprime 05:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll admit it's a pretty strong statement when comparing him to someone as iconic as Optimus Prime, but as you said, there is not denying that he is one of Cybertron's greatest heroes. But I don't think there was any sort of fandom vote. -- SFH 06:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this isn't a fandom issue. This is more his place in the canon. I like Optimus Prime as much as anyone, but Primal did do something more significant.--Rosicrucian^Talk 06:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, crap. The truth comes out. You're all a bunch of monkey-lovers. :) --Suzyprime 06:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, it IS the best Transformers ever. Until Animated comes out, maybe. --ItsWalky 06:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeesh, Suzy. It's a statement in the Wreckers/Universe section of the fiction. In the Wreckers/Universe continuity, he's stated to be all that and a bag of chips. It doesn't affect other continuities.--Rosicrucian^Talk 06:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay Rosi. Point taken. In this context it makes sense, but -- as the lone Gee-Wun fan here -- I can disagree with its use. :) Good night fellas.--Suzyprime 06:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Besides, Beast Wars is a continuation of the G1 cartoon (mostly, with parts of the G1/G2 comic) and Wreckers/Universe is set after Beast Machines, so if you're going by the original G1 cartoon continuity, then canonically, Primal is the greatest hero in Cybertronian history. Really, G1 Prime never did anything in the cartoon continuity as impressive as what Primal achieved. --FFN 07:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Though Prime did kill Unicron in the Marvel Comics. -- SFH 17:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

And sacrificed himself to bring the light of Primus to the Swarm, thus paving the way for the creation of the Vok. Which is in continuity with Wreckers/Universe by way of Primeval Dawn. But Wreckers/Universe is a continuity mess even before it transitioned into multiple continuities crossing over. To this day I'm not sure what they cherry picked from the cartoon and the comic.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Primal did save earth from the Planet Buster, didn't he? I'll give him that.--Suzyprime 05:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That was the first time he died. The second, he plunged himself and Megatron into the center of Cybertron, saving that planet, too. And then Primus brought him back to save all planets in all universes in all realities. And he did! --ItsWalky 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like Primal is one big glory hog. ;) --Suzyprime 05:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here

His Titan Return figure does have an Autobot insignia

I noticed on the entry for his Titan Return figure is says,

"Curiously, he lacks any Autobot insignia on his body", 

But he does in fact have one, which is also visible in the image in used for the figure on the page. It is located on his front left leg of his lion mode (I have the figure and I just checked to make sure). Sure it is not visible in robot mode and perhaps this is what the writer of the entry meant to say, but it could be confusing for anyone looking up info about the figure. Melissa (talk) 04:44, 13 January 2019 (EST)

Marcelo and Trion

https://twitter.com/marcelomatere/status/1651264558307348481?t=2GhFS1cM3NnO3YpZ_WoEMw&s=19 I don't know what this means, did he design it or something?Poliwag06 (talk) 06:19, 27 April 2023 (EDT)