IWTA-LIVING-ON-MY-OWN

I wanna talk about my experience of moving out and living on my own. Moving out to live on your own is not

very common in Hong Kong. Many people still choose to live with their parents even though they have a decent

job and they’re already at their thirties. Many of them would stay with their parents until they get married.

There are several reasons behind – firstly, Hong Kong’s rent is expensive, many people would rather save up

more money to purchase an apartment instead of renting one. Secondly, the Chinese traditional value of family

is that the parents are the ones who brought you up. When you become an adult, you should also take good care

of your parents and you should spend more time to be with them. And of course there are people who are still

dependent on their parents for food, clothing, household chores, etc.

When I tell people about the idea of moving out, many people’s reaction is like, “what do your parents say?”

because they assume the parents would not like their children to leave them. Well I don’t know if my parents

like it but I can tell you my parents support and respect my decision. They think it is good for me to try and live

on my own and then I would know it is the best to stay with my family. 

The most important reason for independent living is to save the travelling time to work. It used to take me one

hour fifteen minutes to travel to work from my previous living place. From my new apartment, it just takes me

thirty minutes so I saved forty-five minutes’ travelling time. I don’t have to get up so early and I save two-third

of my travelling cost. It does not only save my time to travel for work but also from most of the places in Hong

Kong. In addition, I gain my personal space and freedom by independent living. I make my own decision all the

time, I do not have to say whether I would go home for dinner, I can invite my friends to come up and stay late. 

Of course there are some trade-offs in living on your own. If you want to rent an apartment, there are lots of

preparatory works (work) to do. You have to keep visiting the apartments to search for your ideal one. You have

to negotiate with the landlord about the price, furniture inclusion, who is responsible for the maintenance of the

furniture and equipments (equipment). My experience was that after we moved into the apartment, it was not
until the kitchen cupboard was soaked with water that we found out there was water leakage in the kitchen

sink. 

Money is the main issue in living on your own. You have to be responsible for all the expenses, for example,

the rent, electricity, gas, water, telephone, internet bills, etc. Therefore you’ve got to be well prepared and save

up for your bills. Although I find my transportation time much shorter, the saved time is spent on other things,

such as cooking and some other household chores. I think preparing and cooking the food do occupy a

significant portion of my time, therefore I always try to make simple meals. On the other hand, I have to

regularly tidy up my apartment and wash my clothes, so it doesn’t really save much of my time after all. 

Now everything is settled down, I’m getting used to my new life and I am enjoying it. I feel that moving out

makes it easier for me to strike a balance between my work, my social life, my study and my family. It may be

troublesome but it may worth.

IWTA-BEATING-STRESS

I wanna talk about beating stress today. You know life here in Hong Kong is very stressful so I think today’s

topic is very useful for everyone because we can do something about it, just to cope with the stress. So maybe

you have some change(s) in your life, maybe big change and small change, but instead of being afraid, I think

you should have a positive attitude and think of change as a normal part of life. 

And I think maybe here in Hong Kong, the family (families) are crowded into a very small housing space, so

maybe you would sometimes argue with your family and I think try (trying) to resolve the disagreement with

people is very important because then you can build strong relationships and keep commitments you have

made. For example, sometimes maybe you are feeling alone and you want to make some comfort and I think

you can ask the people you trust for help is very important because if you have a bunch of friends, they can

listen to you, then you can release some stress through talking to them. 
And do you know that actually I find a very funny thing that if you want to reduce some stress, you can reduce

this by the word S-T-R-E-S-S, that’s stress. How about, let’s begin with the ‘S’. Well, I think ‘S’ is that you can

have the ‘scheduling’, for example, you don’t have to schedule too many things in your day and if you feel you

are too busy, you can cut out an activity or two. 

And how about the ‘T’ word? The ‘T’ word is ‘treat your body well’, because experts say that exercise can

reduce stress and also if you eat healthy food, then your brain and your body get the nourishment they need. 

And the word is ‘R’…the next word is ‘R’ - ‘R’ is very important, it says ‘relax’. You can do an activity you

enjoy or that relaxes you, maybe you can read a good book or learn a new hobby and spend time with your pet

or even you can visiting (visit) a spa and that could make a very good difference. And for me, I like to play

piano when I feel stressed and sometimes I may just watch some movie (movies) that make me laughs (laugh) a

lot. 

And the next word is ‘E’ – ‘E’ is about expectations, and I think be realistic about yourself is to (be) true to

yourself and others. So you can just do your best and don’t try to be perfect and don’t expect others to be too…

because that will release and reduce a lot of stress for you and the people around you. 

And the next word is ‘S’ – ‘S’ is, stands for ‘sleep’ and I really really love to sleep to be honest, that’s my

hobby I think, because sleep…if you get a good night’s sleep, then it will keep your mind and your body in

shape. And experts say if you sleep more than seven hours, you will actually get tired, so don’t sleep too much

in the day, just sleep it when you feel enough. 

And the last word is ‘S’ again. I always do this action, the S word is ‘smile’ – if you smile and have confidence,

your attitude and your thoughts influence the way you see things. And if you are a negative person, you can

actually learn to think in a more positive way because that makes you feel more comfortable when you are

coping with the stress. Finally I think we should take action and applies (apply) these tips to your life, so

everyone can beat stress.

I wanna talk about supporting Coventry City, the team I’ve supported since I was a young boy at school.

Coventry City are a team from the West Midlands near Birmingham where I grew up and just to give a bit of

background on the club, it was founded back in 1883 and we were founding members of the Premier League.

But in 2001, after thirty-four consecutive years in the top division, we were finally relegated and since that year,

we’ve been in the Championship or the second tier of the English Football…Leagues.

Our only real honour was winning the FA Cup back in 1987. People often ask me why I support Coventry City.

Well, in my school, everyone either supported Aston Villa, the local team or Liverpool, the team that won

everything at the time. I didn’t really want to support the same as everybody else, so I wanted to choose a

different team, so after a school trip to Coventry one day, I felt, well, I’ll support Coventry City then. It was the

FA Cup win that cemented my support for them. I remember listening to the radio commentary, listening to

them beat, I think Sheffield Wednesday in the semi-final and that was it. I was a city fan then.

Em…people ask why I don’t support one of the big teams. Well, in England, people either support the team that

always wins, and we call them ‘glory hunters’ or a team near from where they were born. And there is a lot of

joy in not supporting one of the big teams especially when we get to play the big teams. I always remember

beating Manchester United one cold Boxing Day when we score two goals in the last minute to beat them 3-2

and even last season we went to Old Trafford and beat Manchester United 2-nil. Also playing in the

Championship is surprisingly a better league I think than playing in the Premier League. Every team can beat

each other, it’s much more exciting, every team has got a chance to getting promoted or there is always the

threat of relegation. Every season, there’s new teams to visits and it’s much more interesting than the Premier

League which is pretty much the same every year.

Supporting a team’s like being part of family, you can’t just choose to leave the family if there’s some

disappointments. And being part of that family means that you share the same dreams and the same desires and

the same disappointments. This season I think we’ve got a good chance of promotion - we’ve got a good
manager, Chris Coleman who used to be in charge of Fulham, and we’ve got an outside chance I think of

making the playoffs. Last season we were very nearly relegated but this season I think we'll have a much better

season.

IWTA-HORROR-FILMS

I want to talk about horror films and why I like them and what my favourite types are. 

When I was young, I watched the classic horror films like 'Nightmare On Elms Street' and 'Friday The 13th'.

My mum told me that when I was about six, she came downstairs in the middle of the night because there was a

noise, and it was me watching 'The Omen' on TV in the dark on my own. So I guess I've always liked horror

films. 

I really like what I called 'slasher films' - the really gory, bloody, violent films like 'Final Destination' and 'The

Hills Have Eyes'. I just find them quite funny and I like the special effects. I don't really find them scary at all. I

think the scariest sort of films are the ones that are very tense, like Hitchcock films.  

I think the scariest one for me is 'The Birds' because it's just very sinister the way that the birds come and sit

and look at the people. And you know that it's going to be really bad very soon. 

But I think my favourite ... favourite sort of horror films are zombie movies. I've watched loads of zombie

movies and I really like them. Again I don't really think they are very scary. 'Dawn Of The Dead' is my absolute

favourite horror film I think. It's a film where people just wake up one morning and there are zombies

everywhere. If a zombie bites you, you turn into a zombie. And the survivors end up in a shopping mall in a

shopping centre and they are surrounded by zombies. And it does not have a happy ending. 

 
There is a British comedy horror film called 'Shaun Of The Dead' which is a bit of a joke on the idea of the

'Dawn Of The Dead' which is also really great. The most recent one I watched was a New Zealand film called

'Black Sheep' which is about zombie sheep. That was pretty funny as well. 

The most recent horror film I watched was on a plane last time I went back to the UK. It was a Stephen King

film based on a Stephen King book - I think a short story. And it was called 'The Mist'. It was about people who

lived in a small town in America and there was a hurricane, or typhoon as we call them here. And after the

typhoon, they wanted to go into town to get some supplies to fix up the house. And it started to get misty or

foggy. It was quite a strange mist - it didn't look normal. And these people ended up in a hardware store in the

town all trapped together because there were sort of monsters in the mist - these unrealistic giant creatures that

were in the mist that were killing people. There was quite a lot of blood and guts and people died in horrible

ways which is what I like about horror films. I would recommend it if you like horror films as much as I do.

IWTA-LEARNING-LANGUAGES

I wanna talk about learning languages.   I’ve lived in many different countries, both in Western Europe, Middle

East, and now here in Hong Kong.  And during all of that time, I’ve learned five or six different languages, to

one degree or another.  I love learning languages, not only are they important when you move to a country, I

just find them fascinating.

Before I came to Hong Kong, I lived in Barcelona Spain for ten years.  And when I first arrived, the most

important thing was being able to communicate with people locally.  I don’t attend classes.  I don’t think I’m

particularly good in classes. I prefer to learn by just talking to people, finding out what I need to say by looking

at dictionaries and listening carefully.

everyday on channels around the world.  For example the weather.  This is great, because they always say the

same things.  So you can really quickly hear the same words repeated again and again.  And the pictures

helped of course.

Other types of program that helped me learned Spanish quickly were things like game shows, where the same

thing happens.  They have a catchphrase or a slogan that they repeat endlessly when contestants win or

when they are called to compete.

As well as that, I used to pick up the Spanish newspapers.  First of all, I just accepted that there was no way I

was going to understand anything but one or two words.  But gradually, I found that I learned lots of new

things about this.  I was interested because I wanted to know what was happening in the country I lived in. 

But, I also knew that I could learn a lot of language this way.  So I'd take a dictionary with me sometimes, or I'd

notice a word and I'd ask other people what …it meant.

Anyway, by far the best practice I ever had was just talking to people in the street, or in shops where I'd

rehearse in my head what I wanted to say beforehand, before I went in.  Usually, I'd make a right mess of it

first of all, but, after you get over the embarrassment, it’s quite funny really.  And people are very sympathetic

and supporting in most cases. 

It took me a long time to develop a good level of Spanish.  I lived there for ten years, and I think I’m very fluent

now.  But I think for the first two years I was there, it was quite a struggle to hold a decent conversation. 

There were always lots of words or expressions that I didn’t pick up on.  In particular with the colloquial

expressions, idioms, that kind of thing, that people use in everyday talk, but you don’t necessarily see written
down.   I didn’t find those very easy to learn at all.  But it was a lot of fun.  And people as I said are really

supporting when they know that you are genuinely interested in learning their language.

IWTA-LOSING-WEIGHT

I wanna talk about losing weight. I suppose many people agree that this is such an important topic for girls in

Hong Kong. You can tell by the number of advertisements in the MTR stations, magazines and even on TV

promoting the importance of it…in your everyday life.

If you walk in the streets in Hong Kong, you will find that the majority of women are fairly skinny, maybe

skinnier than they need to be because I guess if they are not in good shape, they know that if they are not in

good shape, they’ll be considered ugly or in general not attractive at all. There was a piece of news that a girl in

high school had committed suicide because she was considered fat and had been consistently teased by her

peers or been called names by her peers, and she couldn't take the pressure and I guess she had the concept of

being fat is generally a sin.    

In fact I myself have tried different ways of losing weight. The first method that I’ve tried was go to beauty

salons regularly and there are of course pros and cons of doing that. One of the pros is that it’s really fast and

it’s quite effective in fact. Of course the biggest con is that it’s quite costly - it can cost you from say 5000

grand to more than 10,000 grand depending on how many days or how many courses you open. And the other

con is that it in fact rebounds quite quickly if you don’t go to the beauty salons on a regular basis. And other

than going to the beauty salon, you can also control your diet by eating less than you usually do but it can really

be a killer if you are a food lover like me and it’s sometimes hard to maintain the diet.

And the third method that I tried was to sleep earlier than I usually do, which is around, say 11pm. I think it is

really a good method or it’s really good for your health because it keeps your metabolism going. And also to

sleep late, say 2 am, usually you’ll get hungry and you’ll grab a supper too, meaning that you will consume

more food than you really need to. And the fourth method that I tried, that I finally tried, which is by far the

most effective method was to work out, or to go to the gym regularly, not that it helps you to achieve your goal
– to lose weight and it is actually not difficult to do because if you go to the gym or run for like every day for at

least half an hour or say just half an hour, you can achieve your goal within one month. And also noticed myself

getting healthier because it improves my blood circulation, substantially I would say, and I guess less tired and

I start to perform well or better at work as well. And people say that your brains produces (produce] what I call

the happy hormones after you finish your work out and I really like the feeling of being happy especially if I go

to the gym after work and it’s a great stress reliever.

And in summary I think that it is not a bad idea to lose weight on a regular basis because you get a better

appearance by doing that, and that generally does boost one’s self-esteem. And also if you work out to lose

weight, obviously you get a healthier body, which is one of the, or I say the most important thing for life.

IWTA-MY LIFE-IN UK

I wanna talk about my life in UK. I went to study in the UK a few years ago. The most exciting experience is

that I went to a host family for my Christmas holiday in December. I went there alone…on a train, it took me

one or two hours to get there, to York and then I stayed there for one week. This was the first time that I spent

time with a UK family which I learnt a lot from them. They treat me like a family member, they took me out to

eat, to play and to see all the different interesting culture of their region. On Christmas Day, they even bought

me some presents to celebrate the Christmas. 

When I went back to Oxford, which was the place that I stayed for that year, I had a chance to teach in a

Chinese school every Sunday. The kids are about 14 years old and I taught them Chinese. They were all very

cute but they all speak (spoke) in English. I spent lots of time to encourage them to speak in Cantonese. 

During my study (studies) in the UK, I lived with few other students from different countries. They are very

nice and we use to cook on our own just like a big family. Every day we will go to…every day we went to

supermarkets to buy food and drinks and desserts. We cooked every day…I was not a good cook, normally I

just put everything into oven. And I’ve tried to bake a cake before but failed and they all laughed at me. And
every time when I bake a cake, they never taste it. We share a flat together - we share kitchen, bathrooms but

we do have our own sink and bedroom. The life in the UK is quite relaxing besides study because you can

explore more and do different activities at school or even some other extracurricular activities. 

After I come back (to) Hong Kong, I still keep in touch with all my friends in the UK, from different countries

like Italy, Malaysia, Japan, UK and other countries. Sometimes we even send email(s) to each other, sometimes

they may come to Hong Kong to visit and we will meet each other again. 

I really enjoy the time in the UK, I hope you will also have the chance to explore more in other different

countries in the future.

IWTA-MY SON

I want to talk about my son. My son is now one year and eight months old, has brought enormous happiness to

our family although my wife, my parent-in-laws always complain about how tiring it is to look after him. 

He is really cute and adorable. He can now speak some very simple words such as papa, mama, but he can

understand quite a lot of things although he can’t, cannot express himself verbally, for example, he can

recognise the personal belongings of each family members (member), such as my T-shirt, the eye-glasses

(glasses) of grandpa or my wife’s bag, etc. He also firmly protects his own personal belongings, such as his

little chair on which he sits for meals. He will drive you away if you attempt to sit on his chair.

I am always amazed how fast he can learn things and how good his memory is. He can instantly learn

something (some) funny gestures on TV programmes, for example we found out that as he walked, he kicked

his legs and feet tied, and then we recalled it was because he watched the national parade in Tiananmen Square

on the National Day. And he also learnt some gestures like kung-fu after watching the gymnastics in sports

programmes. 
I always believe that parents are the first and best teachers for children. I have a lot of friends, also new parent

(parents), they bought, they pay for their kids’ very expensive course – some pre-school course (courses). I

believe that you need to nurture and brought (bring) up your children with your heart and love, so every

weekend, my wife and I will take him to parks because I live very close to the zoo, the Guangzhou Zoo so I

often take him to the Zoo and show him the animals. He always loves that - watching all kinds of animals. 

I also want to do some experiments. I want to see how children learn language so I try to teach him bilingually

(in a bilingual way), so I teach him to say some words in English and then in Mandarin. And now he can

understand quite a lot of instructions, for example, if I ask him, ‘where is your bike?’ and he’ll run to his bike

and show his bike. And if I ask him, ‘where is the moon?’ and then he will point his finger up into (to) the sky

so I think he is quite funny. And I also hope that if he can learn English at a very young age and he will not

suffer too much when he studies at school. 

I think a child can bring enormous happiness to the family and to my life. I now always feel joy and peaceful

while I am with him, so my favourite time-killing is to play with him after meal, after work so I always can

forget all about the frustrations and sometimes unhappiness in work and feel fully 'recharged'. I have now learnt

strong family values after bringing up my son and I understand how difficult it is to be (a) parent so I now try to

call my parents whenever I have the time, take them out to dinner or try to visit them during the weekends…

erm, so I think it’s great to be (a) parent.

IWTA-wild pig

I wanna talk about something I saw in the British Council that is very weird to me. 

My name is Jannie, I’ve been working in the British Council Hong Kong for nearly two years. This is a comfy

place to work ‘cause it’s very modern the building, it’s clean and we’ve got sunshine from outside the window

and surrounding us, there are different international, big hotels and they are like Shangri-la, Conrad and it’s like

a business area here, an ordinary office area. 

and we were in a very big classroom, and because it’s very big so we separated it into two areas, that means we

have got two classes there, two teachers and two different groups of children. 

We started to have the lesson as usual, singing, playing and asking them if they are well that day. And suddenly

the teaching assistant from next door came into my classroom and screamed, saying that “There is a pig, there is

a pig!” The teacher looked at me and I looked at the teacher, we were like “What, what’s going on?” And then

so we left the classroom, we went into the next classroom and then we saw a real pig! It’s a wild pig we believe

and it’s very big.  It is black in colour and I can’t believe I could see a pig in, outside the British Council, in

such a business centre in Admiralty here. 

So all the children were very excited to look at the pig and we were so close with the pig, and it’s like the pig

was just outside the window, in the garden outside, and we were behind the window inside the classroom. And

because of the children, they were so excited and they were screaming and patting the window and screamed

“Piggy, piggy, piggy!” and then we were like, I think we did something that made the pig (feel) excited as well.

It started to use its very flat big nose to hit the window, it’s like trying to enter the classroom, to have lesson

with us. And we messed around for about 10 minutes and then maybe the pig started to feel bored and so it left

the window, walked away. And another strange thing is the pig walked upstairs to another garden because the

garden outside is separated into two different areas, downstairs and upstairs, so it walked upstairs. And it’s very

strange to me! 

So after the pig left us, we went back to our classroom and then we had our lesson again but it’s like we all

can’t calm down and we were thinking about the piggy, the piggy and the children were screaming “piggy,

piggy” and then, it was a very interesting day.

IWTA-my two cats

work for the British Council and I have worked in lots of different parts of the world, they are quite

international cats; so they were born in St. Petersburg, Russia around the dawn of the Millennium, in the middle

of winter. And St Petersburg winters are very very cold, it’s kind of minus 30 degrees, and some friends of mine

found these two tiny little kittens in the snow and brought them in and then sent an email around the office

saying ‘who can look after these two cats’. And my wife and I already had two cats at the time from Indonesia,

erm and we thought can we, have we got room, can we adopt these teeny cats and then we saw them, they were

just so cute that we couldn’t say no, so we brought them home and so they lived with us for like two years in

Russia, and then we moved back to the UK and they had to stay in France for six months, erm, just to check

they didn’t have rabies...erm before they were allowed into the UK. And then they lived with us in Cambridge

and we had a cat flaps so they used to wander about it.

When it came to leave the UK, we discovered that they in fact had about five or six different homes and made

friends with all kinds of people along the street they used to go and get fedded (fed), get stroked or cuddled by

all our neighbours.

Then we moved to Mexico and we had a house with a garden so we had to build a special fence that kind of

curled in on itself so that the cats would climb up and then feel that they were starting to fall down so they

climbed back down again.

And then we moved to Guangzhou…erm this time last year so now they are ‘flat cats’, erm, they’ve not been

squashed, they just live in our flat, live in our apartment and they don’t go out…erm they just go out onto the

balcony, but the interesting thing is that their personality has seemed to have changed in every country they live

in. So Masha used not to be very friendly towards people, as she’s got older, she’s now quite a cuddly cat. And

they’ve adapted to live in…being a kind of free to roam about and then being in the garden and now they seem

to be very happy just being in a flat.

IWTA-radiohead
I wanna talk about Radiohead. For anyone who doesn't know, they are a five-piece indie band from Oxford,

England.

I first started to like them since 1997 when they released 'OK Computer' that year. And actually I bought their

album out of scepticism because I used to like to watch this TV programme by this DJ called Wong Chi Chung.

And in his programme, he just said that, "It's not the end of the year but I have to announce that 'OK Computer'

is the best album of the year." And so I just wanted to try and listen to this album to see if it is that great. And

after I bought it, I just think that, "Wow! This is real music!" because it's musically and lyrically great. And

Thom Yorke, the frontman of Radiohead, just write songs like a poems and I think he is very honest and he

writes great poetic imageries in the songs. And at the time I just discovered that there are actually many

possibilities in music. And they actually started my interest in other genres of music, like ambient, electronic,

and psychedelic rock and something like that.

They not just open my eyes to music. They also open my eyes to the world. For example, I didn't know there

is... there was a profession called 'graphic design' beforehand. And I just think that their album cover is very

good. And later I learned that the cover was made by a graphic designer who is also the band's friend. And then

at that time I started to take interest in this field and eventually I got a bachelor degree for it.

They have also widened my horizons to the fullest because they are a very socially responsible band. They

care about the Third World debts, fair trade, poverty, global warming and the environment. And they make me

think about all these world issues I have never thought about before. They encourage me to make a difference.

This kind of thing...I just think that not any band in the music scene has this guts to care about.

And also, actually contrary to general belief that Radiohead is depressing, Thom Yorke the frontman is always

whining. I actually think that their music is very uplifting and soothing. And also Thom Yorke has heavenly

voices. I actually think that their music give me... gives me comfort in the darkest days of my life. And no other

band can give me the same powerful consolation than Radiohead. And I think they are the greatest band and

always will be.

OK.  Well I wanna talk about vinyl.  Hmm…why well I’m sat here which you can’t see, but I’m sat here holding

a new record.  Everyone just laughed at me because I still buy vinyl records.  Not very often but if I can get

them I buy them.  Everyone laughs because I've got CDs, we got MP3s, we've got this, we've got that, we

download, why do you still buy vinyl?  Hmm…well one reason is the sound.  If you’ve got a good record player,

nothing, but nothing sounds as good as vinyl.  Hmm…MP3s, they've got this awful tinny, strangulated sound

where kind of the bass, the space is missing.   So I'm kinda sat here, waving my vinyl record at the

microphone.  Hmm…I'll have to wait a while to play it 'cause I don’t have a record player.  But there you go,

when I hear it, it will be worth it. 

Hmm….I’ve always bought records, and I really like music.  All my early records were in vinyl.  And one of the

things I like when I get them out of the boxes at home is, there is a thing there.  There’s a big picture, you can

look at it, you open it out.

You download something it’s just come and gone.  I think for a lot of people now music isn’t as special as it

was say when I was younger, which was quite a long time ago.  So people in the 60s and the 70s and in the

80s.  Hmm…music was just really special.  You'd go to the shop and you'd have to save up to buy your record

because they were quite expensive.  So you didn’t download hundreds and hundreds of tracks one after the

other.  You'd maybe buy... from school with saved dinner money or do little jobs.  And then maybe once a

month, you could kind of go into town, find a good record shop.  One that would let you listen to the records,

you listen to two or three records in the shop.  Have a think, have a talk with the shop assistant, and then you

make your purchase. 

Really exciting you'd get this, maybe I need to explain because for younger people, you got this big vinyl
record which is about twelve inches across, so you got a big thing to look at.  And when you got it home, open

up, and bits inside ….  pictures to look at, little bits of information on the cover, which were like little messages

from another world.  Hmm…I was just really special which I got lots of downloads, I’ve got CDs, but, the

music’s still great, but they are not special anymore.  It’s like they… they just become, it’s just another product

I think for most people it’s just another product.